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[QUOTE=JulesJordan;1955092]I arrived at 9:30 there were 20 dancers (a few 8's, mostly 7's, and some 6's with a 30/70 colored to non colored ratio) with about 45 customers. After receiving my beer I was approached by a few dancers that I weren't interested in and after an hour of hanging out Sara (22 years old, white, brunette, curvy body with Bcup tits, no tats that I recall) approached me. We ended up agreeing on $.2 total for half and half, she pushed very hard for $.5. She said that she was not on stage for at least 6 songs and I told her that I needed 5 minimum to finish.
In the VIP she asked me to pay up front (this is usually a sign that the session is going to be lousy) and I said no but I put the money under my beer on the table. She gave me a decent warm up dance, I sucked on her tits and fingered her. Next she suited me up and provided a decent CBJ. Before starting the action she said that she was up stage next and I had to pay her .25 skip fee, I told her no. After one song of K9 she said that we had been back there for 3 songs and that's what $.2 was for, I told her no and we can discuss it with the manager if necessary because I know him. At that point I started to lose interest in her but we ended up doing CG (she was lazy) and then K9 until completion. Afterwards she hugged and kissed me and said that she enjoyed the session, I told her that I really wasn't into it and she apologized.
Overall, Sara is lame for FS and therefore I would skip her for rushing and playing games. My total time at the club was 90 minutes.[/QUOTE]JJ, great job holding the line and not giving into the skip fee. We can all learn from that.
I am crossing her off my list, I don't need that kind of drama.
MM.
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[QUOTE=BegForIt;1955099]I stopped in at Toy Chest around 4 pm on Wednesday. The place was dead, there was 1 really hot Latina looking spinner that was seemed to always be busy. I did have a chubby blonde (sorry guys horrible with names) who is from Jackson and a her friend a thin brunette whose name started with a M to play with. The blonde first, early 30's 5'5 blonde hair, shaved pussy, 150 lbs, see cup natural tits, nice fat ass. Negotiated for 50 for a BBBJ, said she would do half and half for 80. Just BJ for me. Went back to the VIP, 10 for a chair with no curtains, 20 for a couch with curtains. I took the couch. She was pretty good lots of eye contact some ball licking and milked every drop, when done spit in corner.
The brunette I talked to when I was about ready go. She is about early 30's 5,2 100 lbs Acups. Tattoos of a cross on both shoulders. Her eyes were constantly watering and she was sneezing. H problem. Got half and half for 110, I know I could have done better. Same thing hit the couch. Not bad oral skills but mostly mechanical, but she had to work to it back up. She put the cover on and rode me for a bit the moved to K9. She knew how to move her hips and before long she was take the full cover away.[/QUOTE]BFI,
This report makes me want to skip Toy Chest. Thanks for the warning.
MM.
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[QUOTE=TimP14;1956387]Went to eat then check in at hotel and off to BT's. Never really liked this place but tonight I actually enjoyed it. Had a great waitress and the girls rotated every song and they were all friendly and appreciative of the $2 I gave each dancer. I was waiting until late in the night for a VIP. About 1:45 I was surprised by last call. I thought I had until 3 am I started searching frantically for an entertainer that wanted a quick hundred for FS and none of them were interested. I was a little surprised. After the lights came up I was finishing my beer at the bar when one of the Dancers whose name I can't share because I don't want any repercussions towards her came out of the locker room dressed in sweats and ready to go. I asked her wear the party is and she said she had nothing planned and was just going home. I explained my dilemma and that I was staying in the Courtyard on Mercury and asked if she would join me. I said $200 for an hour. She said what room number and I gave it to her. She said she will meet me there. I finished my beer and she actually beat me to the hotel and trust me I didn't linger very long. She came in and asked to use the bath room. I said take your time and 5 minutes later she comes out in full BT's outfit. Asked for a warm up dance and and she obliged. Yadda Yadda Yadda. 30 minutes later we were done. We laid in bed for another 30 minutes and I think we both fell asleep. Suddenly she was up and said she had to go. I asked her to stay the night and she wanted $200 more and I just couldn't justify it so away she went. Figured I spent $50 more than I would have at BT's but no VIP and a lot more relaxed.
[/QUOTE]Tim, you did awesome, I always like BTs. If you can't share her name at least describe, maybe we can have a similar experience.
MM.
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[QUOTE=Chubbybear;1957342]It is good for my wallet that my home town does not have the clubs you guys regularly get to enjoy, I would be forever broke. I headed over to BT's a couple of hours before shift change to review the scenery. I would say there was moderate crowd in attendance, most of whom cleared out a little after 6 PM, perhaps heading for the game. 8 to 10 dancers in attendance and they all looked like they should be dancers, 7-9 on the typical scale. No one with a large chest if that interests you, but several smaller Ds some nice Cs a few of them man made and from my feel the docs did a great job and one little A in the group. I tried a different approach today, looking for take out only and I was very successful with one of the blonds, man-made Cs and a number of piercings. Of course I thought at the last minute she would bolt, but she followed me to my hotel, stayed well over an hour and we certainly enjoyed each others company. This was only the second time I have made this approach work, but for little more than a VIP visit (OK about double) I get to spend a lot of time on a large bed. Much better than a small, cramped VIP room with who know what on the floor, curtain, chairs, etc.
A side note, based on the review at shift change, the day shift was better looking.
I won't name her here but seniors who PM me will get an answer.
Stay Safe.
CB.[/QUOTE]CB, Excellent work.
I agree with you, my wallet would be a lot lighter if I lived in the area. Then again the idea that I can have an orgasm any time I want might be worth a lighter wallet.
In my experience night shift has had higher quality than day shift. Of course I like spinner with small firm tits.
MM.
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[QUOTE=JulesJordan;1960009]I arrived at 10:15 there were 16 peelers (one 8, some 7's, too many 6's with a 30/70 colored to non-colored ratio) and about 40 customers. Sky (early 20's, white, brunette, slim build, some tats) quickly approached my friend after we arrived, the other 2 peelers that caught my attention were both occupied so I ended up negotiating BBBJ w / CFS with Eba (late 20's, white Irish, strawberry blonde, taller height with a slim build and Bcup tits, some tats) for $.1 total. Back in August I did a session with Eba when she just started working at BT's and tonight's session was better, probably due to her now being more comfortable with the environment / activities at the club.
Our unrushed VIP session consisted of DFK, FIV, BBBJ (good skills with DT, sack licking, and eye contact), K9, CG, and a CIMWS finish. Eba has a nice tight giner that feels great / gets wet fast and she was energetic and somewhat vocal. Take out is available if you inquire with her.
My friend's VIP session with Sky consisted of LFK, FIV, CBJ, CG, and K9. He mentioned that Sky has a somewhat tight giner and was energetic, especially in CG. The negotiated amount was $.2 total.
In summary, Eba is a nice girl that provides a memorable GFE. Eba mentioned that she usually works night shifts (week days) with an occasional day shift. My total time at the club was 90 minutes.[/QUOTE]JJ, thanks for another great report.
Eba and Sky are on my to find list if I ever get back to Detroit.
MM.
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[QUOTE=JulesJordan;1960936]Today was a short day at work due to the company holiday shutdown until after New Year's Day so I headed up to BT's for some fun. I arrived at 2:00 there were 8 dancers (five 7's and three 6's, 5 were white) with about 24 customers. During my 60 minute visit I was approached by 3 different dancers and I ended up negotiating BBBJ w / CFS with Alexis (19 years old, white, blonde, under 100 lbs, 4'11", almost no tits, ghetto accent) for $.1 total, she initially wanted $$.
Our unrushed VIP session consisted of LFK, FIV, BBBJ, K9, CG, and a CIMWS finish. Her BJ skills were decent, she worked her tongue ring well. She was fairly quiet during the action and her giner wasn't very tight. Alexis is inexperienced and the session was fairly mechanical so therefore I wouldn't repeat with her. However, if your into young cute spinners then you may want to sample her.[/QUOTE]JJ,
Young cute spinners are the pot of gold I am looking for. I will definitely try to sample.
MM.
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[quote=marvingaye;1962029]a lot of it is politically motivated. they come in and do these busts every once in a while, and they'll get around to all of the clubs eventually. writing citations for expired cabaret licenses, arresting people for outstanding warrants, and such give the impression to the non-strip club patronizing public that the police chief is "tough on crime", "making a difference", etc. keeping up appearances is important when you're getting all kinds of political favors.
but the fact is that these busts don't really accomplish anything. cops know what people are doing in these clubs every single day. in theory, they could come in every night and take folks to jail if they wanted to, but they don't have the resources to do so. statistically, it is highly unlikely that a dancer or club guest would be caught in a raid. the strippers and employees know this and they are going to do what they're going to do the other 364 nights that the vice unit isn't there.
because these clubs contribute a lot of much needed tax revenue to the city of detroit and keep the activity indoors and off the street, they aren't going to get shut down unless they do something egregious like employing **** strippers or something. the owners of the clubs will just pay the relatively small fine, perhaps up the kickback a little bit, and all will be back to normal until the next bust. but make no mistake--just like traffic enforcement, it's never about enforcing laws: it's all about the money, all of the time.[/quote]marvin, great analysis, well said.
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[QUOTE=DudeAbides;1962439]At Christmas party a girl hit me with the 500, I laughed and countered with 125. She took it, and the 125 too.[/QUOTE]The,
There is a lesson in this for all of us. We should emulate your negotiation and end up with similar results.
MM.
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[QUOTE=LoKirk;1962602]
There was a very young lady, white, black hair with highlights, and with braces, ok ass, A-be cup tits, sort of wavy hair, she was fun to talk to, would have love to take her to the back, but no extras were on the menu. Said she had been working there just a few weeks, so not sure if she will warm up to the idea.
However, a brunette with curly hair, about 5-6", A-cup tits, nice ass, saved the day and asked me if I wanted a dance. She asked for $1.5, I balked, but she stayed talking to me. She lowered the deal to $1.2 and off we went. MFW! She got completely naked off the bat, started a nice but mechanical CBJ, but couldn't complain. She got me hard and then proceeded to CG, RCG, K-9, and took the load on her chest. After we cleaned up, we went our separate ways. I honestly don't remember her name not sure if anyone can help me here to I'd this young beauty. She claimed she was 21. After the deed was done I paid the valet guy and went back home happy.
[/QUOTE]LK, nice report, it makes me want to go to the Colliseum. I love those Acups.
MM.
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[QUOTE=RogerC;1962688]Before the topic is broached, I know my maximum limit of what I'm going to spend.
I'll shoot 20 bucks under to give some wiggle room in negotiations (mostly to get add-ons I might want or to award good service). I also make sure I'm not being insulting. My reading of the board seems to think a good base price is 100 with a range from 80-140 as "normal.
Then, once your price is out there, do not increase your price. An "ok, thanks anyway, maybe another time" is probably your best negotiating tool. If the club is busy with other talent, she's either going to accept your price or watch someone else go in the back with you.
Then, once the ballpark is agreed, you can throw in the extra 20 for things like warm-up songs, or FIV, or whatever floats your boat. Or you can give it as a tip afterward. Or you can just be a cheap bastard. :-D.
There are three possible reactions to a negotiation like this:
1. "Ok, let's go!
2. "See ya later!
3. Something along the line of "Let me try to get his little brain making decisions instead of his big one.
Do not fall for #3. If you don't budge, she'll either go to #1 or #2. Sometimes #3 looks like "#1 plus sob-story" or "#1 plus per-song-fee." I recommend sticking to your guns and only throwing the extra in for "beyond the basics" stuff.[/QUOTE]Roger,
Excellent advise, I am going to try this technique on my next visit. I think if more guys did this we would all be more successful.
Regards,
Marc.
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[QUOTE=Pussylicker2;1962708]I don't worry too much about insulting her. If she comes up with a crazy number like $300, I just laugh. Then if she counters with $100, I tell her that she won't be happy with $100, so never mind. I think it's good to show them that high-balling can hurt their income. I think $100 is about right, although I love getting a deal. Her desperation is my good fortune.[/QUOTE]PL2, I totally agree about the insulting. I don't see how offering lower price is insulting. They get quoted all kinds of different prices all the time.
If they are insulted by guys who want to cum on their face, or cum in their mouth or cum in their pussy, it hardly seem like they would be insulted by offering a few less dollars.
MM.
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[QUOTE=DFranco8;1962764]MOST IMPORTANTLY. What I learned is don't forget to negotiate "no song count" in your negotiations. I get accustomed to my regular dancers who I know what I get and never count dances and then I try a new one and you negotiate and then afterward they say. Oh plus .8 for 4 songs. I have never gotten stuck with that because I renegotiate on the spot. But I feel like a heel for not thinking to say. "NO SONG COUNT".[/QUOTE]DF8, it is so true. We should basically open negotiations with no song count for the specific service I desire.
MM.
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[QUOTE=HornDogToo;1963559]Monday night at Henry's. When I walked in around 10 pm, I thought it was going to be a total bust. It looked like fat chick / saggy tits central. [/QUOTE]HDT, Thanks for the report, it helps me know what clubs I belong in and what clubs I don't. Fat and Saggy says stay away to me.
MM.
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[QUOTE=Piddybo;1963800]Finally had a chance to stop in and break my Michigan Titty Bar virginity. Ended up at BTs around 5. Had a few Makers Marks and an a cup blond named Dallas comes by. We chat for awhile and we start discussions on some VIP entertainment. She originally asked for $300 and I did the ass move and laughed. She said what was I offering and she will work with me. Countered with 100 and payed down my stipulations for the negotiation. Ended up at 150 but kinda played her off to keep checking out what we was available. Saw a really cute blonde, maybe 5 ft even. No boobies but she looked like the kinda gall you could pick up and fling anywhere. She never paid any mind to me. Amanda comes by. Dirty blonde, 5 ft 8, be cups decent body but not much of a ass. Ended up going in the back for 120. Started off with a lap dance then she pulls it out. Starts grinding on it and then drops to her knees. Gave a great BBJ with lots of eye contact and licking and DT. Then she hops on and rides me CG. Rides for 10 minutes then tell her to turn around so then getting some RCG. Ended up sticking a thumb in the backdoor and probably coulda stuck more in there but didn't. She hops off and gives me some more head with more eye contact and DT then hops on again for more RCG. Finally popped and we both cleaned up. Ended back there for about 30 minutes of fun. Gave her 120 plus tip and went on my way.
[/QUOTE]Piddybo, Nice report, it makes me wish I was at BTs with you.
MM.
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[QUOTE=JulesJordan;1965794]BT's:
I arrived at 2:30 there were 12 dancers (three 8's, six 7's, three 6's, with a 40/60 colored to noncolored ratio) and about 24 customers. During my one hour visit I was approached by two different dancers and I ended up negotiating BBBJ w / CFS with Sugar (Mid 20's, white, blonde, decent body with enhanced Ccup tits, some tats, very energetic) for $.2 total, she initially wanted $$.
In the VIP we felt each other up with lots of DFK then I did FIV to get her giner warmed up. She gave me a good BJ with DT, licking, and some eye contact then some Russian and she suited me up. I worked her hard in K9, she was vocal and energetic. We switched to CG and she rode it well and took it in deep until completion. Afterwards we made out some more and exchanged compliments.
Overall, Sugar is a wild chick that provides an excellent unrushed GFE and I would definitely repeat with her. She mentioned that she usually works day shifts on Mon, Wed, and Fri.
[/QUOTE]JJ, She must have been amazing, it high praise for a peeler to learn you would repeat.
I am much more frequent repeater, but I am interested to experience the peelers who meet your standards.
MM.