[QUOTE=Skyguy2;5955046]Annnndddd after another cocktail and a little boredom, I decided to ask anyway LOL.[/QUOTE]Is she on SA? Please share the link!
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[QUOTE=Skyguy2;5955046]Annnndddd after another cocktail and a little boredom, I decided to ask anyway LOL.[/QUOTE]Is she on SA? Please share the link!
This one wants 3,000/ month. Nope. Next.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/7b04764a-2d75-45b4-b58a-66bf853a5113[/URL]
This is another 750 ppm so 3,000/ month. Any gent actually meet her? Looks hot.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5ba202c8-a4a5-4508-800f-a5a89e5392c7[/URL]
This lady seemed legit. The bad news for me is she can only meet after 4:30 pm on weekdays. That's out of my window of opportunity.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/7edba2d2-8376-43f6-bac9-af931889d915[/URL]
This one wants 800 ppm. She wouldn't negotiate with me.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/16e7cf6d-2439-4779-82c1-36be3ed043cd[/URL]
[QUOTE=TAway612;6004089]Is she on SA? Please share the link![/QUOTE]I did share the link in my original post. We have since blocked each other so can't copy it again from the site. She's posting in FL now anyway, which coincides with some of the discussion I had with her back then.
[QUOTE=HenryT458;6004429]This one wants 3,000/ month. Nope. Next.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/7b04764a-2d75-45b4-b58a-66bf853a5113[/URL][/QUOTE]LOL her profile said if she only wanted 500 ppm per week, she'd work at mcdonalds. Yeah sure. Eating at nice restaurants and laying on your back for a few hours = working at mcdonalds 40 hours a week. What an attitude.
[QUOTE=Glhfddka;6004597]LOL her profile said if she only wanted 500 ppm per week, she'd work at mcdonalds. Yeah sure. Eating at nice restaurants and laying on your back for a few hours = working at mcdonalds 40 hours a week. What an attitude.[/QUOTE]Henry, I was going to write the same thing about the 3 K / month girl (re McDonalds) but GLh beat me to it.
As for the others.
1. The 3 K / m 750 ppm one always struck me as fake because she was back & forth from L. A. But she also telegraphs that she's expensive in her bio so I didn't bother. But yes, hot.
2. I've looked at the 4:30 weekdays one, which would work for me -- so thanks for the legwork -- but I'm on the fence as far as I like a little more curves.
3. Coincidently, I wrote about Chloexo earlier this week. I didn't get to the numbers but knew she couldn't host, so I was holding off on that for awhile. HOWEVER, I stumbled across her in another profile on escort directory e d you s a so I'm thinking that, if you want to meet her, she would have a lower price if you initiated contact through that profile.
[QUOTE=Pleck2;6004649]Henry, I was going to write the same thing about the 3 K / month girl (re McDonalds) but GLh beat me to it.
As for the others.
1. The 3 K / m 750 ppm one always struck me as fake because she was back & forth from L. A. But she also telegraphs that she's expensive in her bio so I didn't bother. But yes, hot.
2. I've looked at the 4:30 weekdays one, which would work for me -- so thanks for the legwork -- but I'm on the fence as far as I like a little more curves.
3. Coincidently, I wrote about Chloexo earlier this week. I didn't get to the numbers but knew she couldn't host, so I was holding off on that for awhile. HOWEVER, I stumbled across her in another profile on escort directory e d you s a so I'm thinking that, if you want to meet her, she would have a lower price if you initiated contact through that profile.[/QUOTE]I read that McDonald's thing as was thinking that she's in no way in that league. Lot of 6's thinking that are super models. At 3 k a week, I expect a gumade, not a SB.
Been talking with a lot of SBs lately expecting 500 or more ppm LOL. Typically most won't negotiate and cop an attitude if you try. I guess some of you boys are paying that. It takes time but after some work I can usually find a regular in the 250-300 range. I do have a long term fwb at 200 per but we set that up about 2 years ago. Seems like that's pretty rare they days.
Here's one below that said 400 but had more rules and regulations than the IRS LOL. She is in the stadium area.
BTW I just renewed SA for about 72 per month for 3 months. I know that site has its challenges but the unlimited messages makes it worth it at least for me.
Happy hunting!
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/76e224f1-4a03-4023-83f6-60d4e362fbb1[/URL]
Talking to a girl and supposed to see her next week. We were just talking and I said guys who are poor don't get hot girlfriends. She says that she respects the poor. I replied yes, but you won't date them. She got mad and said it's rude to assume what income level is guys she dates. I said, v you are on Seeking, so by definition you are dating for money. So how are you telling me your date poor guys? She didn't appreciate me pointing out the flaw in her thinking.
[QUOTE=OverKill418;6010102]Talking to a girl and supposed to see her next week. We were just talking and I said guys who are poor don't get hot girlfriends. She says that she respects the poor. I replied yes, but you won't date them. She got mad and said it's rude to assume what income level is guys she dates. I said, v you are on Seeking, so by definition you are dating for money. So how are you telling me your date poor guys? She didn't appreciate me pointing out the flaw in her thinking.[/QUOTE]I have run into girls like that before and it's frustrating. At some point I get to the place where I have to recognize a girl ain't no Rocket Scientist and decide if that is OK and she's just pretty enough to flatback for me. I use to get into it with girls, then I realized that that was eliminating potential dates and with so many fakes, frauds and flakes out there decided eliminating girls based on academic achievement was cutting the pool pretty darn small. So many times it is tempting for me to "tell a girl off" or point out her logical flaws, but I now have learned to hold myself back, smile at how "brainy" she isn't and see if her temperament is enough for a few good romps in the bedroom. I guess those lessons from growing up finally took - "if you can't find something nice to say, say nothing at all. " Hey, I had to be polite or got punished!
Something else I noticed years ago when a GF and I were into the swing scene. We had a phrase for it "Hot Wife, Troll Husband". It was amazing how steadfast that rule held. Just about EVERY hotwife we saw at a club or online had dudes that were just average or worse. The point being that yeah, I was super attracted to the wives, but the Troll husbands were a definite turn off to my GF. I think we came to the conclusion, after talking with many of the couples, that girls go for average or lower dudes because it is security for them. They know they are hotter than anything the dude has ever gotten or would get and thus know the dudes won't cheat on them and their "higher status" puts the in a position of power, so to speak. They get treated like Princesses by grateful husbands. Plus many of these women didn't have expectations of Yachts, Caribbean vacation homes or private jets. They were happy with love and commitment even if they were less well off than if they were a gold-digger with some rich dude.
I learned that it's interesting how the world works and not everyone fits into my preconceived notions.
But in the long run, I appreciate it when someone points out when I am factually incorrect so I might learn and grow. But someone calling me an idiot because they have a different view or opinion, tends to be irritating. I can imagine that others operate in a similar fashion? But hey, what do I know?
Hang in there, for every Jack there is a Jill!
[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6010275]I have run into girls like that before and it's frustrating. At some point I get to the place where I have to recognize a girl ain't no Rocket Scientist and decide if that is OK and she's just pretty enough to flatback for me. I use to get into it with girls, then I realized that that was eliminating potential dates and with so many fakes, frauds and flakes out there decided eliminating girls based on academic achievement was cutting the pool pretty darn small. So many times it is tempting for me to "tell a girl off" or point out her logical flaws, but I now have learned to hold myself back, smile at how "brainy" she isn't and see if her temperament is enough for a few good romps in the bedroom. I guess those lessons from growing up finally took - "if you can't find something nice to say, say nothing at all. " Hey, I had to be polite or got punished!
Something else I noticed years ago when a GF and I were into the swing scene. We had a phrase for it "Hot Wife, Troll Husband". It was amazing how steadfast that rule held. Just about EVERY hotwife we saw at a club or online had dudes that were just average or worse. The point being that yeah, I was super attracted to the wives, but the Troll husbands were a definite turn off to my GF. I think we came to the conclusion, after talking with many of the couples, that girls go for average or lower dudes because it is security for them. They know they are hotter than anything the dude has ever gotten or would get and thus know the dudes won't cheat on them and their "higher status" puts the in a position of power, so to speak. They get treated like Princesses by grateful husbands. Plus many of these women didn't have expectations of Yachts, Caribbean vacation homes or private jets. They were happy with love and commitment even if they were less well off than if they were a gold-digger with some rich dude.
I learned that it's interesting how the world works and not everyone fits into my preconceived notions.
But in the long run, I appreciate it when someone points out when I am factually incorrect so I might learn and grow. But someone calling me an idiot because they have a different view or opinion, tends to be irritating. I can imagine that others operate in a similar fashion? But hey, what do I know?
Hang in there, for every Jack there is a Jill![/QUOTE]We talked about it and I played it off as a comment about people in general. She is good at playing the girl who wants a long term and serious arrangement, then says she's not. She's hot as hell, but have a couple other ones to meet and one that I see up in NEPA when we are both around.
[QUOTE=OverKill418;6010102]Talking to a girl and supposed to see her next week. We were just talking and I said guys who are poor don't get hot girlfriends. She says that she respects the poor. I replied yes, but you won't date them. She got mad and said it's rude to assume what income level is guys she dates. I said, v you are on Seeking, so by definition you are dating for money. So how are you telling me your date poor guys? She didn't appreciate me pointing out the flaw in her thinking.[/QUOTE]There is perhaps a flaw in your logic, I think. If she's on seeking she's a prostitute. If a poor schlep can pay her ppm (stimulus check came in), she'll lick his taint same as any other.
Is a GFE same as a Sugar Baby? Thanks!
[QUOTE=OverKill418;6010102]Talking to a girl and supposed to see her next week. We were just talking and I said guys who are poor don't get hot girlfriends. She says that she respects the poor. I replied yes, but you won't date them. She got mad and said it's rude to assume what income level is guys she dates. I said, v you are on Seeking, so by definition you are dating for money. So how are you telling me your date poor guys? She didn't appreciate me pointing out the flaw in her thinking.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't call seeking and sb / sd relationships "dating". There's money changing hands. The relationship would not exist without that.
Who she dates in her civilian life is probably completely different from who she meets with on seeking.
Just like I'd never actually consider seriously dating a lot of the people I see on seeking.
[QUOTE=JohnDoe3428;6010664]Is a GFE same as a Sugar Baby? Thanks![/QUOTE]No! GFE does not equal Sugar Baby.
Perhaps one could negotiate GFE from a SB? I think most would expect a SB to do GFE, but hey, ya never know.
You should look up both terms on [URL]UrbanDictionary.com[/URL] so you understand the terms.
[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6011330]No! GFE does not equal Sugar Baby.
Perhaps one could negotiate GFE from a SB? I think most would expect a SB to do GFE, but hey, ya never know.
You should look up both terms on [URL]UrbanDictionary.com[/URL] so you understand the terms.[/QUOTE]Thanks, man! I was considering to make Suzie at LoveKPhilly my SB, but it seems SB isn't the right concept. She truly enjoyed my gorgeous dick, and she suddenly become shy when I gently started licking her clit to taste her liquid. I donated $$ but she returned 60 indicating 'I would like to see you for a long time, save your money. " How lovely! I just felt that she could be my Sugar Baby. But she's already a GFE, maybe I am becoming a simp? But my giant boy is too handsome to become.
A simp! LOL.
Thanks, my friend!
[QUOTE=Grafenberg;6010423]There is perhaps a flaw in your logic, I think. If she's on seeking she's a prostitute. If a poor schlep can pay her ppm (stimulus check came in), she'll lick his taint same as any other.[/QUOTE]If she's sleeping with a guy for money, she's a sex worker. These girls like to play the Madonna role when they are one step above an escort.
[QUOTE=MCatBeast;5708879]Would appreciate any info on these two. Been chatting past couple of days.
PPM but first meeting is just to chat: [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e989efae-f3ea-46d9-bde0-bd41c2447ef3[/URL]. Able to hold a convo.
Stated $$. 5: [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a35b83dd-43d4-479c-a0ea-48e80b7819ca[/URL].[/QUOTE]I met the on on top for quick meet and greet. She seems kind of pushy. I'd hate to pay for a hotel and find out she has a bad attitude, rushes, and pushes for money up front. Did anyone see her? How is her attitude / performance? Thanks.
[QUOTE=OverKill418;6011392]If she's sleeping with a guy for money, she's a sex worker. These girls like to play the Madonna role when they are one step above an escort.[/QUOTE]Where can I find Asian SBs?
[QUOTE=MasterZao;6012452]Where can I find Asian SBs?[/QUOTE]They're a little harder to find, but they're out there. I was living in the midwest, not in Philly at the time, but I met a very attractive Korean college student on SA. Beautiful, intelligent, and the damage for our ongoing arrangement was 300. We'd go out to dinner, hang out, then have an unrushed evening of fun. This was a few years ago so you might have to add a bit for inflation. But damn she was a good time.
[QUOTE=MasterZao;6012452]Where can I find Asian SBs?[/QUOTE]Philly really isn't the best spot. NYC or LA.
[QUOTE=Glhfddka;6013309]Philly really isn't the best spot. NYC or LA.[/QUOTE]Even small section in NYC. Same with South Asians. Also the south Asian ones are usually looking for platonic and mentoring only.
This one wants part of her allowance in advance via cashapp only. Next!
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/2f5c78e0-1f1b-47f0-a92f-0d7e95be7db7[/URL]
[QUOTE=OverKill418;6014304]This one wants part of her allowance in advance via cashapp only. Next!
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/2f5c78e0-1f1b-47f0-a92f-0d7e95be7db7[/URL][/QUOTE]I think that's a link to your inbox of messages. Please try to repost the profile.
Typical appearance fee scammer. Should be on What's your price.
We were supposed to meet and greet today. She asks to be paid. Nope. Next.
[QUOTE=HenryT458;6014869]Typical appearance fee scammer. Should be on What's your price.
We were supposed to meet and greet today. She asks to be paid. Nope. Next.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OverKill418;6014304]This one wants part of her allowance in advance via cashapp only. Next!
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/2f5c78e0-1f1b-47f0-a92f-0d7e95be7db7[/URL][/QUOTE]So it is good that guys are NOT paying advances or NOT paying for meet and greets! That's good for the guys to not get rinsed.
But me thinks the young ladies need to understand that said approach is not viable or is not the norm. But that only comes when the reality is presented to them. Now the natural instinct is to toss it in her face or be snarky in a reply. But what these girls need is an "education" or perhaps to hear the same thing over and over, until it sinks in. As OP posted, if there are no takers for the product on offer then one needs to look for different approaches. But in today's "cancel culture" it would seem that delivery and or style is the key to any message being "heard. "
So that begs the question:
[B][color=red]What specifically does one say to a girl, in a polite way that her "money up front" scheme won't fly here?[/color] [/B]
How do we word things so we don't offend, yet let her know we are open to an arrangement if the money up front part goes away?
[I][font=times]We catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And we may not catch this one, but we can do our part to "educate" her along the way.[/font][/I]
[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6016964]So it is good that guys are NOT paying advances or NOT paying for meet and greets! That's good for the guys to not get rinsed.
But me thinks the young ladies need to understand that said approach is not viable or is not the norm. But that only comes when the reality is presented to them. Now the natural instinct is to toss it in her face or be snarky in a reply. But what these girls need is an "education" or perhaps to hear the same thing over and over, until it sinks in. As OP posted, if there are no takers for the product on offer then one needs to look for different approaches. But in today's "cancel culture" it would seem that delivery and or style is the key to any message being "heard. "
So that begs the question:
[B]What specifically does one say to a girl, in a polite way that her "money up front" scheme won't fly here? [/B]
How do we word things so we don't offend, yet let her know we are open to an arrangement if the money up front part goes away?
[I][font=times]We catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And we may not catch this one, but we can do our part to "educate" her along the way.[/font][/I][/QUOTE]Shampoo. I always appreciate your insight and your attitude because I try to do things the same way. In answer to your question, rather than question the person's character, I've simply replied to up front or meet & greet requests something like "I'm sure you have your reasons for this requirement and I respect that. But I've been ghosted before this way, so I can't do it. Thanks anyway and best of luck. " If they change their mind; great. If not, that's fine too.
[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6016964]So it is good that guys are NOT paying advances or NOT paying for meet and greets! That's good for the guys to not get rinsed.
But me thinks the young ladies need to understand that said approach is not viable or is not the norm. But that only comes when the reality is presented to them. Now the natural instinct is to toss it in her face or be snarky in a reply. But what these girls need is an "education" or perhaps to hear the same thing over and over, until it sinks in. As OP posted, if there are no takers for the product on offer then one needs to look for different approaches. But in today's "cancel culture" it would seem that delivery and or style is the key to any message being "heard. "
So that begs the question:
[B]What specifically does one say to a girl, in a polite way that her "money up front" scheme won't fly here? [/B]
How do we word things so we don't offend, yet let her know we are open to an arrangement if the money up front part goes away?
[I][font=times]We catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And we may not catch this one, but we can do our part to "educate" her along the way.[/font][/I][/QUOTE]You're assuming 1) nobody is falling for the money up front thing, which is probably not true, and 2) you're assuming these women are willing to change. A bunch of them don't NEED the money, they don't have drug / money problems necessarily. If they can get someone to fall for this, then great, but if not, they aren't necessarily going to change their ways just because nobody does.
[QUOTE=HenryT458;6014862]I think that's a link to your inbox of messages. Please try to repost the profile.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Glhfddka;6017169]You're assuming 1) nobody is falling for the money up front thing, which is probably not true, and 2) you're assuming these women are willing to change. A bunch of them don't NEED the money, they don't have drug / money problems necessarily. If they can get someone to fall for this, then great, but if not, they aren't necessarily going to change their ways just because nobody does.[/QUOTE]Still think guys need to be firm on this. I do agree that some girls will not budge, but face it, they are rinsers and just looking for a fast buck. I told one that I would tack on her asking to get first allowance as a way to show she's serious. Obviously, she turned that down. So she was never going to get into an arrangement in the first place.
I just tell them not happening and we go out separate ways.
[QUOTE=Pleck2;6017027]Shampoo. I always appreciate your insight and your attitude because I try to do things the same way. In answer to your question, rather than question the person's character, I've simply replied to up front or meet & greet requests something like "I'm sure you have your reasons for this requirement and I respect that. But I've been ghosted before this way, so I can't do it. Thanks anyway and best of luck. " If they change their mind; great. If not, that's fine too.[/QUOTE]Agree 100% on this.
I am nice and give the same reasoning. None that ask for money beforehand have ever changed their minds.
Unfortunately there are way too many of these people out there, so some guys MUST be paying upfront. No different than the guys offering 350+ per visit. I tell them they are very pretty and just out of my league. I can offer xxx and that's all. Although judging by the comments my SB past and present have mentioned, when guys come off with I want xxx sex acts for xxx minutes at xxx hotel or car well then no wonder it has gotten to be so difficult. They- the women assume all SD will treat them as a prostitutes.
I am so lucky to have a hot young SB who comes over for the entire day or evening and stays over night for less than some are paying for a hour at EPM or LKP.
[QUOTE=HenryT458;6014869]Typical appearance fee scammer. Should be on What's your price.
We were supposed to meet and greet today. She asks to be paid. Nope. Next.[/QUOTE]Yeah she contacted me. I just laughed at her. Told her you must not have read my profile. I state on my profile description. Absolutely no money before meeting. I just recently was texting a girl that looks gorgeous atleast 8 maybe 9. She wanted 500 and 100 dollars upfront. I told her no way. She texts back ok 400 and 100. I said I never pay anything up front. I told her to go scam someone else. See text back 300 and 100 upfront and free meetings after that. I told her that she must think I am stupid. I said for All I know you could be some guy using some girls pics. And I blocked girl.
Next. What to pay?. You guys do what you want but seriously. But I would bever pay 500 or more. Maybe for meeting 2 or 3 girls at the same time just for kicks. I actually was going to set up a 3some with 2 girls in there mid twenties for 300 but they were an hour away. They said if I paid for uber they would come. I told them. If they can get to where I am at I will reimburse them. But I will never pay anything before meeting that's it. Well they said they won't do it. Blocked and moved on. I am at most, have middle class income. I can do 150 to 250. So most times I will float around the site and wait until they contact me. Its usually easier to negotiate if they contact you.. As they must see something they like.. oh my pics are plane.. meaning no palm tress, nothing to make me look rich.. unless you are really bad looking i would rather play down the money..
If someone really has my eye. I may send a message and be upfront and say hey I am interested and looking for something steady. But I am not Donald Trump. If what you want is reasonable I am sure we can hang out once a week. Never give money numbers on the site. If they respond. Say you want to discuss what works in more detail but say its better if we text or talk about this off this site as its just not safe on here plus the site is ban happy. After that say I pay 300 or 200 or 400. Depending on what you can afford. I usually say 200. But say that would be every week. If they say they don't drive. I usually say if you can be pick up by me ok. If they insist on Uber. Say Ok I will pay the uber driver when you come or reimburse you. Also if you can't host. I usually say I could have done 200. But since I have to get a room and that cost money. I say I can only do 100 or 150. I do say that upfront before meeting. I say I am sure you are worth way more but that's all I am able to do and beside I want us to focus on having fun time and money is just a bonus. If the girl is not a scammer. That seems to work for me 40 to 60 percentof the time. I had 2 arrangements that last months for 100. One for 150 still going on. And I another that's a little pricey at 250. But she is gorgeous and 21. She actually wanted 500. But she must have seen something in me because she kept texting me 450 I said nope 400 I said nope. I told her seriously I can do 300 and that's my max. She agreed I saw her once. The next day she asked if I could see her again. I told her if want it steady I can do 250. Which is really high for me. But man she has no kids. And you hear of new car smell. Well she has young pussy smell. Very very light musty but slightly sweet smell. Clear wetness which very slippery but drys to slightly sticky to nothingness. Now that's some premium pussy and everything is bare. I am sorry but I am not sharing. I don't want her pussy to get contaminated by some dirty dick. After we part ways sure. I wish I had info of the last few that I had arrangements with. But I dont even see there profiles. Some moved on to more traditional relationships..
Thats is what works for me. Maybe its not for you or maybe someone has something better. Be safe and happy hunting.
[QUOTE=HenryT458;6014869]Typical appearance fee scammer. Should be on What's your price.
We were supposed to meet and greet today. She asks to be paid. Nope. Next.[/QUOTE]She claims to live in North Philadelphia and says her name is Alanna. She will make plans with you to change it last second. I offered to meet her on campus at Temple Univ campus for a meet and greet as I was not going to send her an Uber someone I never met and she went dark. She always cries bad fortune. She hasn't deluged me with cash app requests but she seems like a catfish having fun frustrating guys. Sounds like she has moved to scamming. She sounds like the typical drug addict.
[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6016964]So it is good that guys are NOT paying advances or NOT paying for meet and greets! That's good for the guys to not get rinsed.
But me thinks the young ladies need to understand that said approach is not viable or is not the norm. But that only comes when the reality is presented to them. Now the natural instinct is to toss it in her face or be snarky in a reply. But what these girls need is an "education" or perhaps to hear the same thing over and over, until it sinks in. As OP posted, if there are no takers for the product on offer then one needs to look for different approaches. But in today's "cancel culture" it would seem that delivery and or style is the key to any message being "heard. "
So that begs the question:
[B]What specifically does one say to a girl, in a polite way that her "money up front" scheme won't fly here? [/B]
How do we word things so we don't offend, yet let her know we are open to an arrangement if the money up front part goes away?
[I][font=times]We catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And we may not catch this one, but we can do our part to "educate" her along the way.[/font][/I][/QUOTE]This is easy for me. The situations come up so frequently that I have copy-paste answers ready to go. If someone asks for money prior to meeting, I send the following:
"The Seeking admins send daily reminders to people to never send money before at least one in-person meeting. It tells people that 999 times out of 1000 it is a scammer asking. There are just an overwhelming number of men on here pretending to be women or real women begging for money who then disappear. Only newbies fall for that now and they usually only do it once. I am sure you are real and only asking that because you are new on the site."
If they ask for a large amount just to meet, I send the following:
"As you may have discovered, there are a wide range of views on how to handle the first meeting. I know for a fact that there are some men who offer 100-200 or more to women just to meet them once with nothing more expected. There are only a few of these and they are very selective. Some men will promise a large sum and then never pay. Other men refuse to offer anything beyond a token amount for a first meeting. I am in the latter group. I used to offer large amounts but quickly discovered that many if not most of the women I was meeting had no interest in me. They just wanted to collect the money and get the meeting over with as quickly as possible. I would rather only meet with women who see it as the first step in a potential long term arrangement with me."
If they do not find my message persuasive, they are either scammers, rinsers or unreasonable. Any of those triggers disqualification and I "regretfully" move on.
BAM.
[QUOTE=BamBam;6022410]This is easy for me. The situations come up so frequently that I have copy-paste answers ready to go. If someone asks for money prior to meeting, I send the following:
"The Seeking admins send daily reminders to people to never send money before at least one in-person meeting. It tells people that 999 times out of 1000 it is a scammer asking. There are just an overwhelming number of men on here pretending to be women or real women begging for money who then disappear. Only newbies fall for that now and they usually only do it once. I am sure you are real and only asking that because you are new on the site. ".
If they ask for a large amount just to meet, I send the following:
"As you may have discovered, there are a wide range of views on how to handle the first meeting. I know for a fact that there are some men who offer 100-200 or more to women just to meet them once with nothing more expected. There are only a few of these and they are very selective. Some men will promise a large sum and then never pay. Other men refuse to offer anything beyond a token amount for a first meeting. I am in the latter group. I used to offer large amounts but quickly discovered that many if not most of the women I was meeting had no interest in me. They just wanted to collect the money and get the meeting over with as quickly as possible. I would rather only meet with women who see it as the first step in a potential long term arrangement with me. ".
If they do not find my message persuasive, they are either scammers, rinsers or unreasonable. Any of those triggers disqualification and I "regretfully" move on.
BAM.[/QUOTE]I just told one that I don't pay for a first meet because it makes it seem like she is an escort and it cheapens what sugaring is.
Met up a couple weeks back with a good female friend of mine from college. She's mid 30's, attractive, former collegiate volleyball player, and has a 6 figure income and an engineering degree. Turns out she's actually doing platonic sugar relationships. Apparently she has no problem getting 350 ppm completely platonic dates. She has 1-2 of them lined up per week, and is booked for several months out. She does them because she enjoys the company usually w / successful people, and she's a foodie and essentially gets paid to eat somewhere super nice for dinner every week.
Apparently she runs into a lot of really busy successful older men in their mid 40's to late 50's who never had / have time for a real stable relationship of any sort and are lonely. She's extremely clear ahead of time that she is strictly looking only for platonic, and still has no problems lining up dates.
So to all those complaining about people paying too much and raising the base-rate and expectations, unfortunately it's not going to matter. People out there are paying for this stuff!
[QUOTE=Glhfddka;6033096]Met up a couple weeks back with a good female friend of mine from college. She's mid 30's, attractive, former collegiate volleyball player, and has a 6 figure income and an engineering degree. Turns out she's actually doing platonic sugar relationships. Apparently she has no problem getting 350 ppm completely platonic dates. She has 1-2 of them lined up per week, and is booked for several months out. She does them because she enjoys the company usually w / successful people, and she's a foodie and essentially gets paid to eat somewhere super nice for dinner every week.
Apparently she runs into a lot of really busy successful older men in their mid 40's to late 50's who never had / have time for a real stable relationship of any sort and are lonely. She's extremely clear ahead of time that she is strictly looking only for platonic, and still has no problems lining up dates.
So to all those complaining about people paying too much and raising the base-rate and expectations, unfortunately it's not going to matter. People out there are paying for this stuff![/QUOTE]Oh bullsh*t! What your friend is allegedly doing isn't a "sugar relationship" She is rinsing dudes. Probably embellishing things as well.
But that said, just because there is ONE anomaly out there doesn't mean that it is the norm or that everyone should pay those rates! Do you believe everything you hear or read without independent confirmation?
Do some research, learn how to play the game, sharpen your skills by asking "how to" questions here. But don't be a chump and over pay!
I guess guys are looking desperately for any example or reason to justify their paying GPS prices so they don't have to get game, learn how to negotiate or improve your mongering. Just pay whatever is asked!
Sigh.
[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6033164]Oh bullsh*t! What your friend is allegedly doing isn't a "sugar relationship" She is rinsing dudes. Probably embellishing things as well.
But that said, just because there is ONE anomaly out there doesn't mean that it is the norm or that everyone should pay those rates! Do you believe everything you hear or read without independent confirmation?
Do some research, learn how to play the game, sharpen your skills by asking "how to" questions here. But don't be a chump and over pay!
I guess guys are looking desperately for any example or reason to justify their paying GPS prices so they don't have to get game, learn how to negotiate or improve your mongering. Just pay whatever is asked!
Sigh.[/QUOTE]She showed me the messages, so she definitely isn't embellishing. And I don't know if its fair to say she's rinsing if she's making it very clear that she only wants platonic at multiple points (profile, messages, in person). At that point, don't hate the player, hate the game.
With that said, I think she's not necessarily indicative of the market as a whole. Other than being on the wrong side of 30, she's probably top 1% compared to other options in terms of being attractive, blonde, in good shape, intelligent, has a respectable job, and technically-speaking, financially independent and not needy. No kids, single, so no family/relationship drama.
I for sure have had plenty of sugar relationships NON platonic for around the same or less as what she's getting. Its not an efficient market.
[QUOTE=Glhfddka;6033096]Met up a couple weeks back with a good female friend of mine from college. She's mid 30's, attractive, former collegiate volleyball player, and has a 6 figure income and an engineering degree. Turns out she's actually doing platonic sugar relationships. Apparently she has no problem getting 350 ppm completely platonic dates. She has 1-2 of them lined up per week, and is booked for several months out. She does them because she enjoys the company usually w / successful people, and she's a foodie and essentially gets paid to eat somewhere super nice for dinner every week.
Apparently she runs into a lot of really busy successful older men in their mid 40's to late 50's who never had / have time for a real stable relationship of any sort and are lonely. She's extremely clear ahead of time that she is strictly looking only for platonic, and still has no problems lining up dates.
So to all those complaining about people paying too much and raising the base-rate and expectations, unfortunately it's not going to matter. People out there are paying for this stuff![/QUOTE]LOL. Bro, I have a really nice bridge for sale in San Francisco, I can give it to you for a great price, DM me.