Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Bbinsider;4164414]There is so much federal tax money being spread around to local LE to fight "trafficking" these days, they have to do these kind of busts to keep the money rolling in. Basically all prostitution is being redefined as trafficking. I bet less than 1% of busts include any "real" trafficking. AMPs were probably the safest P4 P venues, but no more. If they can setup cameras and license plate readers, run them for months, that then go out and charge anybody they are able to identify; then we're all sitting ducks. I would strongly recommend a new hobby or at least a different venue.[/QUOTE]After Backpage closed down different venues are hard to find but I'm sure people will find them.

[QUOTE=DonCon;4164388]From all reports this was strictly involving Chinese or Asian spas. I'm no lawyer but seems Kraft will get the best and they will surely make an issue out of this ethnic bias. After revealing the source of the "information " indicating illegal activity I doubt that single source implicated every AMP in Florida. And LEO targeting patrons of only AMPs for traffic observation based upon that single informant seems a hard sale. Don't be surprised if all this is much ado about nothing. Remember the OJ verdict?[/QUOTE]Unless they also had sound, any good defense attorney should make quick work of these minor misdemeanors.

Read the arrest affidavit. My favorite lady is in jail. I didn't go their during the sting period. I also would only pay cash and never give my real name. No underage women were there. In fact, my favorite was a lot older than I thought!

THEOLDMAN.

What a crappy job, going thru the trash from the spa and find napkins with male DNA

[QUOTE=JBrasco951;4161830]They're cracking down.

[URL]https://www.theledger.com/news/20190220/west-palm-prostitution-sting-nets-6-arrests[/URL]

[URL]https://www.wptv.com/news/region-c-palm-beach-county/underground-website-rubmaps-com-helps-customers-find-illicit-massage-parlors[/URL]

[URL]https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/crime/martin-county/2019/02/19/live-martin-county-sheriffs-office-holds-news-conference-multi-agency-investigation/2914137002/[/URL][/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Bbinsider;4164414]There is so much federal tax money being spread around to local LE to fight "trafficking" these days, they have to do these kind of busts to keep the money rolling in. Basically all prostitution is being redefined as trafficking. I bet less than 1% of busts include any "real" trafficking. AMPs were probably the safest P4 P venues, but no more. If they can setup cameras and license plate readers, run them for months, that then go out and charge anybody they are able to identify; then we're all sitting ducks. I would strongly recommend a new hobby or at least a different venue.[/QUOTE]People seem to be deluding themselves about the reality of this hobby. Places that rotate their girls every few months are very likely to be trafficking these girls. Who in their right mind would move to a country where you do not speak the language, and then voluntarily move every couple of months to a new city? If the girl speaks almost no English, she's likely being trafficked. If she lives at the store, she's likely being trafficked. Not only is this common sense, but it was told to me by an older Chinese masseuse who doesn't offer extras. People have also missed that the definition of trafficking is very broad in the legal standpoint. If these women work at a place where they are not the owners, it's trafficking.

[QUOTE=Noob2017;4165707]People seem to be deluding themselves about the reality of this hobby. Places that rotate their girls every few months are very likely to be trafficking these girls. Who in their right mind would move to a country where you do not speak the language, and then voluntarily move every couple of months to a new city? If the girl speaks almost no English, she's likely being trafficked. If she lives at the store, she's likely being trafficked. Not only is this common sense, but it was told to me by an older Chinese masseuse who doesn't offer extras. People have also missed that the definition of trafficking is very broad in the legal standpoint. If these women work at a place where they are not the owners, it's trafficking.[/QUOTE]Well, I know several ladies that work at AMP's, They all have a variety of stories. One is married with a child, lives in Nevada. Comes to work in Ohio because the language barrier and cost of getting MT license in NV is overwhelming to her. Another talks about hr daughter who is in Pharmacy School in our town. She discusses Chinese medicine with me because her mother is a physician in China. Still another is proud that her job as a MT allowed her to buy a house in a nice neighborhood where she raises her two children. Her mom visits from China often. Another lives in new york and drives her late model Nissan with a new york plate when she travels to Ohio. These ladies generally speak poor English and it takes a while to become accustomed to their speech. I have taken time to learn about them and their lives. I understand their speech well after a time. I get no indication that they are doing anything against their will or are being trafficked in anyway.

I am sure there is another side of the story.

Does anyone have experience with camera detection devices. Better late than never I guess.

[URL]https://www.easytechtrick.org/hidden-camera-detector-apps/[/URL] [URL]https://www.easytechtrick.org/hidden-camera-detector-apps/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Noob2017;4165707]People seem to be deluding themselves about the reality of this hobby. Places that rotate their girls every few months are very likely to be trafficking these girls. Who in their right mind would move to a country where you do not speak the language, and then voluntarily move every couple of months to a new city? If the girl speaks almost no English, she's likely being trafficked. If she lives at the store, she's likely being trafficked. Not only is this common sense, but it was told to me by an older Chinese masseuse who doesn't offer extras. People have also missed that the definition of trafficking is very broad in the legal standpoint. If these women work at a place where they are not the owners, it's trafficking.[/QUOTE]My mamasan mistress would talk to me about the difficulty of getting new talent. She would recruit from the large Northern Virginia Korean population, send the newbie to massage training to get the right paperwork, and monitor their activities. She wanted to stay under the radar. One time I was with mamasan in one room and we could clearly hear a newbie fucking the brains out of a customer. Mamasan went in on them and screamed (in Korean) at the newbie. She sent the monger packing and dumped the new girl. Extras could be had, but only after you built up a relationship. I would sometimes see the same girl for years. Every time (usually around election time when the pols wanted to make a point), there would be a "crackdown. " The soft targets were those with unlicensed girls, followed by those that were just too blatant.

With the Chinese, it was the frequent rotation from NY that always made me uncomfortable. We know NYC is the center of a large illegal population and we know how most of them came here with a large debt to be paid. As much as I sympathize with these girls and would love to help them get debt free, I doubt they get to make a quick dent in their debt. It's like paying off the vig to a loanshark and never paying down the principle.

While new and younger is nice, an experienced masseuse with whom you feel comfortable is my preference.

[QUOTE=TheOldMan;4165213]Unless they also had sound, any good defense attorney should make quick work of these minor misdemeanors.

Read the arrest affidavit. My favorite lady is in jail. I didn't go their during the sting period. I also would only pay cash and never give my real name. No underage women were there. In fact, my favorite was a lot older than I thought!

THEOLDMAN.[/QUOTE]They're always about ten your older then you think they are.

[QUOTE=ThrobbinWood;4166206]Does anyone have experience with camera detection devices. Better late than never I guess.

[URL]https://www.easytechtrick.org/hidden-camera-detector-apps/[/URL] [URL]https://www.easytechtrick.org/hidden-camera-detector-apps/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Try this:


[URL]https://www.amazon.com/Detector-Wireless-Auhko-Sensitivity-Multi-Functional/dp/B07BQQSRSW/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1551035380&sr=8-7&keywords=camera[/URL]+rf+detection.

Looks like a toy but actually works.

This was shared in our forum. Lots of surveillance details.

[QUOTE=MagicHands2;4166890]Spotted this on a Detroit thread:

[URL]https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/74/98/64c708b942ac9a24ed0e40f57db0/hua-pc.pdf[/URL]

Stay safe out there, MH2.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wolverines;4167454]This was shared in our forum. Lots of surveillance details.[/QUOTE]Dumpster diving for bags and bags of jism soaked wipes. No job is worth that.

[QUOTE=Wolverines;4167454]This was shared in our forum. Lots of surveillance details.[/QUOTE]The rumor up north is that LEO claimed a bomb scare, evacuated the spa and planted cameras as they searched for the bomb. Supposedly after close on 1-17-19. Can anyone confirm?

[QUOTE=PbgMonger;4167494]Dumpster diving for bags and bags of jism soaked wipes. No job is worth that.[/QUOTE]I generally am OK with the police but this is an awful lot of work to be doing which taxpayer money paid for.

There was a carjacking a year or two ago on Main street, Abacoa which I don't think they solved yet.

I had never been to an AMP before coming to Florida and I'll miss them; those hands could raise the dead.

[QUOTE=Dash;4167988]I generally am OK with the police but this is an awful lot of work to be doing which taxpayer money paid for.

There was a carjacking a year or two ago on Main street, Abacoa which I don't think they solved yet.

I had never been to an AMP before coming to Florida and I'll miss them; those hands could raise the dead.[/QUOTE]It seems public safety always takes a back seat when cops need some headlines. Trafficking victims were not his concern, sounds like good old fashioned jack booted gestappo assertions went down.

I've been following the AMP story from afar; it is getting lots of national attention. I hope you don't mind me suggesting a few questions that might be posed by area residents to law enforcement, political leaders and even to the local media:

1. If this was really a human trafficking issue, why did law enforcement wait 8 months to take action to prevent the workers from being trafficked.

2. How do we know that this was not consensual sex between adults? You postulated that some of the women were trafficked because they appeared to be living in the spa. Does this mean that any time we go to a restaurant (or buy a product on line or go to nearly any business for that matter) that the customer needs to talk to each employee to make sure that are "consensual" employees and that they are not living in their place of employment and being coerced to work.

3. Do you have any evidence that busting male customers (and publishing photos of men who are "presumed innocent until proven guilty") is going to have any impact on the demand for sexual services? It seems to be programmed into our DNA, no matter how much religious zealots want to suppress sexuality.

4. Have our restrictive laws on prostitution contributed to the problem by creating an underground and illegal industry that provides little if any protection for workers? Note the analogy to prohibition, which created a thriving market for illegal and dangerous alcohol products.

And.

5) Prostitution has been around through all of recorded history, why not consider a new approach, maybe remove the economic incentive for human trafficking (this is the problem, not sex between consenting adults) by legalizing prostitution so that it can be safe and regulated in much the same way that worker rights and safety is covered in other above-board professions.