"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=BikeRider;3102952]I was in NY this week, and banging the crap out of my NY pre-law baby (pics posted earlier). All of the sudden she shouts out "I love you". I almost froze, but like the trained professional I am I kept banging until the announcer was shouting "gooooooaaaaaallllllll".

The conundrum I have is that I usually bail when such feelings are expressed. Yet, she's one of the best lays of my life (minus ped baby. More on her below). That plus I'm in NYC almost weekly now makes her hard to give up - she's 21 and free (minus dinner and drinks) and kinky as hell.

I know the best move is to drop her. Yet the little head has a powerful force with this padawan.

[/QUOTE]Why would you walk away from free p*ssy? And some of the best you have had?

What constantly amazes me about dudes is that they will come on a board and share intimate details with strangers and everything about how they feel about a girl but for some reason are like a dear in the headlights when it comes to TALKING TO THE GIRL! Jeez, if one has enough game to get a couple of girls to bed you for zero fees, then one has the brains and ability to learn how to talk to women about feelings. Don't be the typical douche guy who just disappears and leaves the girl wondering why. Talk to her and tell her you are commitment phobic and love the FWB sessions but have no intention of a relationship. Be kind and consider her feelings and see what she says. Hey, it is possible she was just "role playing" thinking that was what you want to happen?

Shoot, I had a date last night and I whispered to the girl to role play some romantic stuff. She did all of that "F me Daddy" stuff but also tossed in how much she liked me, that she wanted to make a baby with me, "I love you," etc. It was enough that I filled her a third time. So different things work for different people.

Maybe she does love you as a lover or FB? But don't make assumptions, have a nice relaxed conversation and express your fears. Hey, after all for all of the great times, you owe her some honesty.

I'm just sayin!

I am messaging w / a girl in Orange County. Hot 22 YO, w / all kinds of upscale cars in the photos on her profile. She finally emails me, giving me name info (of course, different from her SA handle). I google. She was arrested 4 days ago on DUI / assault after hitting a bicyclist with her brand new grey Mercedes that was a 'gift'. This hit the media (well, internet) evidently b / c she had posted the car prominently on her social media. I don't think that played a role in her getting pinched, but still, I know way more about her than most POTs. Don't know if this is good or bad. She likely needs the $ for lawyers; she's proven irresponsible so she might be crazy enough to fuck me. Maybe her big SD gave her the car.

Has anyone had success pulling on sugar websites other than SA or SD4 M?

I was on ArrangementFinders years back, but most of the profiles were abandoned years ago it seemed. I did talk with a few real SB's though. I never went back after the Ashley Madison hack. From what I read, AF was owned by AM and also compromised.

I was on one called sugarsugar for awhile. While not super active, I did not see any fake profiles and did converse with a few SB's during 2013-2014. Over the last year or two, the website seemed to have been abandoned by its operator. It is now a ghost town.

SDX.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3103563]Why would you walk away from free p*ssy? And some of the best you have had?

What constantly amazes me about dudes is that they will come on a board and share intimate details with strangers and everything about how they feel about a girl but for some reason are like a dear in the headlights when it comes to TALKING TO THE GIRL! Jeez, if one has enough game to get a couple of girls to bed you for zero fees, then one has the brains and ability to learn how to talk to women about feelings. Don't be the typical douche guy who just disappears and leaves the girl wondering why. Talk to her and tell her you are commitment phobic and love the FWB sessions but have no intention of a relationship. Be kind and consider her feelings and see what she says. Hey, it is possible she was just "role playing" thinking that was what you want to happen?
[/QUOTE]I can only guess about what other guys do or think or how they operate, but just in case my message played a part in the inspiration of that sentiment at all, I can only speak about my own perspective. Being afraid of commitment has nothing to do with it in my case, it's the fact that I already have a commitment and I'm not such a flake that I would make a commitment to one girl talking out of one side of my mouth, then lead some sugar baby on to think she has a future with me out of the other side of my mouth. Now that would be the epitome of a douchebag.

So I'm doing them a big favor when I come right out and tell them I'm not emotionally available. Telling them I'm not emotionally available is code for "My heart is with someone else in a commitment and don't want to complicate that relationship, so lets just have fun and keep things physical and casual". Most females will understand that statement even if they don't like it, and it is exactly an example of talking to them about feelings using direct honesty. On top of that, I make it very clear in my profile I'm looking for no-strings-attached, so for them to say or imply something that goes beyond that is out of bounds and needs early correction. Thankfully it is the experience that I gained in decades of mostly civy dating that helps me recognize the warning signs of clinginess, and I'm not even sure that requires game, the warning signs are probably common sense to many.

I do know guys who need that level of affirmation from females in order to feed their own ego or sense of self-worth, and they get depressed if the female isn't always treating them like they are the cat's meow. I encourage my girls to enjoy the sex and the gifts and maybe we'll cross paths the next time I'm in town. The caliber of girls I want to deal with are okay with that. Some may not be, but I try not to M&G those types in the first place. They understand my expectations before we meet and vice versa (notwithstanding allowance amounts which I refuse to discuss). So yes, direct honesty even is exactly how I do things with them.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;3103661]Has anyone had success pulling on sugar websites other than SA or SD4 M?

I was on ArrangementFinders years back, but most of the profiles were abandoned years ago it seemed. I did talk with a few real SB's though. I never went back after the Ashley Madison hack. From what I read, AF was owned by AM and also compromised.

I was on one called sugarsugar for awhile. While not super active, I did not see any fake profiles and did converse with a few SB's during 2013-2014. Over the last year or two, the website seemed to have been abandoned by its operator. It is now a ghost town.

SDX.[/QUOTE]I tried SD4 M for a few months. I met 3 nice girls in person and 1 became my SB for several months and I reported on it here. I also exchanged emails or texts with about 20 more in the Richmond area. More than 95% of the profiles are abandoned (not visited in over 2 weeks). Also, at least 60% of the new profiles disappear immediately. Usually the ones with a very short "About Me". The site's software tells you if they have read your message and how long it's been since they logged in. 60% of new profiles will not reply, never read your mail, and in fact don't log in again after the first visit. Whatever that means. Most of the girls who contacted me were "too good to be true" and / or from far away, like Eastern Europe. I didn't try to find out what that meant because I only wanted local. But, as I said, there are some real SBs there. At the moment, I've concluded I cannot afford to be an SD. Maybe if I was divorced or if I didn't have 2 daughters in college who need my financial assistance. It's still interesting to me, though.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;3103661]Has anyone had success pulling on sugar websites other than SA or SD4 M?[/QUOTE]I have used [URL]sugardaddie.com[/URL] in days past but not recently. I think the last time might have been 2008. There were plenty of nice girls there at the time, but the problem was the options for filtering / sorting them geographically were terrible. At that time, I don't even think it specified which city the girl was in, you just had to randomly hit them up if they were in the state you wanted and ask them how far they are from where.

I realize how ridiculous that sounds now, but it was not too bad. Because of the lack of efficiency, it seemed like there was an equal lack of paying daddies. This usually meant that if I contacted someone I almost always got a response and interest in meeting, unless she hadn't logged on in a while (that was another problem, I seem to remember it only said "last login more than 3 months ago" However, sometimes you got responses even if they had not logged in, because they got an email notification that someone was trying to reach them. In some cases they had forgotten they created the account.

Pros were that I never got the sense there were any fake accounts there. I even saw no less than two girls I had already dated from Match there under civy dating circumstances with no gift provided! I didn't even know until I saw their profile they were looking for a daddy. Because of the lack of daddies competing for girls, I was amazed at how willing they were to travel long distances to meet me or do whatever it takes to get going.

Cons were that it didn't have anywhere near the features of a real dating site, even for that period of time (comparing to thinks like match and yahoo personals back then). The lack of city specific searches led to a lot of POTs that were just too far from where I wanted, and I didn't like the risk of shipping one to my door only to potentially end up with a catfisher who posted fake pics or showed up 10lbs heavier. Some of the girls did strike me as definite UTR material, maybe even escorts, but for whatever reason it seemed harder to vet them out until more emails were traded. I guess the chat feature of SA helps somewhat with that, I don't think sugardaddie had instant messaging at that time.

That site has been around for like 15 years so it's probably evolved since then but I'm sure the more popular and better marketed ones have eaten their lunch somewhat.

Overall I had more memorable moments with Match, PlentyOfFish, OKCupid, Craigslist, etc. But I realize you limited your question to SD sites.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;3103661]Has anyone had success pulling on sugar websites other than SA or SD4 M?

I was on ArrangementFinders years back, but most of the profiles were abandoned years ago it seemed. I did talk with a few real SB's though. I never went back after the Ashley Madison hack. From what I read, AF was owned by AM and also compromised.

I was on one called sugarsugar for awhile. While not super active, I did not see any fake profiles and did converse with a few SB's during 2013-2014. Over the last year or two, the website seemed to have been abandoned by its operator. It is now a ghost town.

SDX.[/QUOTE]I've used this one on & off for years. When I started it was completely free but now there seems to be a nominal fee but it seems I've been grandfathered from having to pay.

There's lots of cons, including very inactive for some areas, but one big pro is that some of the girls put contact info right in their profile.

Was arrested. Probably best to prepare for lots of UTR / escort refugees on the SD sites.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3103912]Was arrested. Probably best to prepare for lots of UTR / escort refugees on the SD sites.[/QUOTE]Yeah, just another example of stopping a girl's right to choose to operate her own business and send her into the darkness of pimps, bars and the streets! This is misguided. Prolly someone running for re-election.

When one thing on the web gets tamped down (I. E. CL CE) something else crops up.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3103947]Yeah, just another example of stopping a girl's right to choose to operate her own business and send her into the darkness of pimps, bars and the streets! This is misguided. Prolly someone running for re-election. When one thing on the web gets tamped down (I. E. CL CE) something else crops up.[/QUOTE]How this country has ignored the benefits of the tax revenue from legalizing mongering, which is very clearly going to continue one way or another as it has since the beginning of time, is beyond me. Interesting about BP is they are charging him with trafficking, which in some past messages in this thread, I put forth as what they might try to use to bring down the SD sites one day. They can sell that idea to the public easily, that they are protecting victims / kids etc.

Its absurd of course. Just because BP provides an advertising vehicle that some trafficker selected to advertise his girl doesn't make the CEO any more guilty of trafficking than the owner of the hotel that provides the room. They should only be able to go after the actual traffickers (thos that directly participated in the crime), not everyone who had some connection to the environment that the event occurred in. What we all have to be aware of is just because it's wrong doesn't mean it won't happen. They could go after Brandon Wade just as easily if they decide to. It's clear they aren't afraid to dish out trumped up charges. Maybe they'll get the conviction they want, maybe not, but they might still use it to shut down bank payment possibilities and such. But they will use trafficking as an excuse that suits their needs even if its wrong.

All of this is one reason I wish there were a way to chase away the escort and even UTR activity from the SD sites, it only brings problematic attention to an otherwise perfectly legal form of dating.

I wonder if any of you have quit an old SA profile and started up a new one, and if so what the pluses and minuses are. It seems clear to me that some girls are doing this. I am sucked in by one, and don't recognize the name, but then I see some detail or a picture that is familiar. Some people have posted about keeping track of girls and re-messaging them from a different profile using knowledge from a failed earlier attempt. HG suggests always going after newbies, and I am wary of profiles that started in 2013 or 2010 (if they allow that to be shown. I guess for the free memberships they have no choice).

Given the AM hack, I guess it's good for us married guys that SA has pretty good security, but it's a pain. The captcha drives me crazy. Recognizing storefronts and houses? Street numbers are easiest for me. The log in also seems to do this thing where it jumps from the password window back up to the email window, so you end up having typed part of your password after your log in, and it all has to be re-edited and resubmitted. I guess this is supposed to force human intervention so bots can't try all possible combos to hack your account.

Yep, that was my Groundhog day approach. Like the Bill Murray movie where he had the knowledge of the prior day and could use it to fix mistakes from his past.

Not sure if SA still does this, but it once was that if you let an account lie fallow for a few months, you would get an email giving you a discount off premium membership. Not a huge savings, but if you could have bought premium for a lower price, why pay more?

And I agree with going for newbies. I'm not a fan of hardened girls that consider everything transactional.

My rotation got cut down because of jobs and moves. I was listed as a reference, and was happy to provide her with a good recommendation. Maybe I'll stick my toe back into the SA waters. It's been a while and based on a quick look at the talent these days, looks like there are a whole new crop.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3104355]I wonder if any of you have quit an old SA profile and started up a new one, and if so what the pluses and minuses are. It seems clear to me that some girls are doing this. I am sucked in by one, and don't recognize the name, but then I see some detail or a picture that is familiar. Some people have posted about keeping track of girls and re-messaging them from a different profile using knowledge from a failed earlier attempt. HG suggests always going after newbies, and I am wary of profiles that started in 2013 or 2010 (if they allow that to be shown. I guess for the free memberships they have no choice).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3104618]Yep, that was my Groundhog day approach. Like the Bill Murray movie where he had the knowledge of the prior day and could use it to fix mistakes from his past.

Not sure if SA still does this, but it once was that if you let an account lie fallow for a few months, you would get an email giving you a discount off premium membership. Not a huge savings, but if you could have bought premium for a lower price, why pay more?

And I agree with going for newbies. I'm not a fan of hardened girls that consider everything transactional.

My rotation got cut down because of jobs and moves. I was listed as a reference, and was happy to provide her with a good recommendation. Maybe I'll stick my toe back into the SA waters. It's been a while and based on a quick look at the talent these days, looks like there are a whole new crop.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I don't think I want to have a paid membership continually. It provides discipline not to be able to message. I get OCD with the POTs on the site and spend way too much time there. Not to mention I have a SB who's supposed to be exclusive to me (and actually may be. She's busy as heck otherwise), but I don't really know her expectations in return. I just know her profile is deactivated and I keep mine that way when not online even when I am paid, to minimize the chance she sees I am on the site looking for girls in travel destinations.

Girls who were attractive enough to notice and remember (and likely message) but are still on the site months later. Something just doesn't seem right with that. They don't necessarily look like UTRs, but as many have said, the mind of a SB can be hard to understand.

BTW, I want to strongly recommend getting a sugar FB page. It is very helpful. If you google a POTs digits or email, often you get nothing. On FB, though, I have gotten real names, places of work, BFs, other photos, etc. In seconds. I just use all the same info on my SA profile so it looks like its sugar me, in case there is some leakage of those people who have viewed her page getting suggested as friends. Others have posted about this.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3103721] ...

So I'm doing them a big favor when I come right out and tell them I'm not emotionally available. Telling them I'm not emotionally available is code for "My heart is with someone else in a commitment and don't want to complicate that relationship, so lets just have fun and keep things physical and casual". Most females will understand that statement even if they don't like it, and it is exactly an example of talking to them about feelings using direct honesty. On top of that, I make it very clear in my profile I'm looking for no-strings-attached, so for them to say or imply something that goes beyond that is out of bounds and needs early correction. Thankfully it is the experience that I gained in decades of mostly civy dating that helps me recognize the warning signs of clinginess, and I'm not even sure that requires game, the warning signs are probably common sense to many.

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[/QUOTE]I do the same. I always tell them up front I am not emotionally available, but that we can still have lots of fun and enjoy each other's company. I had a very bad experience a long time ago where my FWB (I was young and didn't know about SBs at the time) became to emotionally attached, and major drama followed. I vowed then to never let that happen again.

Pussy, like many things in life, has risks and benefits associated with it. Some here may think a free and amazing pussy is worth any cost. Others may disagree. While my NY baby is a favorite of mine, I'm not willing to risk the drama that may follow if she's getting to emotionally attached.

I'm waiting to see how things go the next few weeks. Either way, we'll have the 'I'm not emotionally available talk' again next time we meet. The outcome of that talk will determine our future. Ideally, we won't have to part ways. What ever happens. I'm not worried. There are plenty of young things in NYC.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3104618]Yep, that was my Groundhog day approach. Like the Bill Murray movie where he had the knowledge of the prior day and could use it to fix mistakes from his past.

Not sure if SA still does this, but it once was that if you let an account lie fallow for a few months, you would get an email giving you a discount off premium membership. Not a huge savings, but if you could have bought premium for a lower price, why pay more?

And I agree with going for newbies. I'm not a fan of hardened girls that consider everything transactional.

My rotation got cut down because of jobs and moves. I was listed as a reference, and was happy to provide her with a good recommendation. Maybe I'll stick my toe back into the SA waters. It's been a while and based on a quick look at the talent these days, looks like there are a whole new crop.[/QUOTE]I don't think SA offers the discounts any longer. The girls are likely just changing their name with their current account. SA allows you to do that. I don't know how that affects your prior conversations etc.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;3104736]I do the same. I always tell them up front I am not emotionally available, but that we can still have lots of fun and enjoy each other's company. I had a very bad experience a long time ago where my FWB (I was young and didn't know about SBs at the time) became to emotionally attached, and major drama followed. I vowed then to never let that happen again.

Pussy, like many things in life, has risks and benefits associated with it. Some here may think a free and amazing pussy is worth any cost. Others may disagree. While my NY baby is a favorite of mine, I'm not willing to risk the drama that may follow if she's getting to emotionally attached.

I'm waiting to see how things go the next few weeks. Either way, we'll have the 'I'm not emotionally available talk' again next time we meet. The outcome of that talk will determine our future. Ideally, we won't have to part ways. What ever happens. I'm not worried. There are plenty of young things in NYC.[/QUOTE]I'm one of those that thinks all free pussy comes with a cost and is susceptible to emotional obligation, and its why I insist on gifting. In some ways I think of the gift I give them as an insurance premium against emotional obligation. When I hand them the money, I'd prefer they start thinking about what they're going to do with the cash and start forgetting about me until (potentially) next time. If we remain on each others mind in any way, texts start getting exchanged at random times about this or that, and that "bonding" phenomenon starts to take place where all of sudden you're getting to know each other a little too well (at least too well for someone who is already in a commitment). Some of them might want this, for example they might have a BF already who doesn't give them enough attention, but I certainly don't and I doubt the typical married guy has time for it.

I can relate totally to your FWB horror story. I've got some great memories of FWBs but it was always a bit of an emotional minefield in probably 90% of cases. One FWB I was seeing for about 2 weeks with great regular sex before she randomly, and almost out of the blue announced she "loved me", similar to the story you described in another post. There was no way she could actually have loved me (she simply didn't know me well enough, aside from screwing me), it came across as a disingenuous attempt to lure me into something that was on a new, yet to be agreed upon level. It truly turned me off and after she left my place I had a talk where I told her I was bothered by it and needed time alone. About a year or so later I ran into her at a bar in town and we ended up spending time in her car talking about what happened. She said she was sorry about the clinginess, was just going through a phase, missed the sex and would love to have just a casual, no-strings occasional romp. So we tried that, one night out and a fuck session later, I didn't call for a couple of days. She leaves a voice mail in kind of a joking voice: "Hey you! It looks like you disappeared on me again. ". More clingy behavior, right off the bat.

A somewhat opposite case: met a girl online that I wanted pretty bad. I had a sort-of (non serious) GF at the time but couldn't pass this girl up, I would even call her potential GF material if I didn't already have someone. I told her about my complications and existing GF, and we talked about our mutual urges and decided a FWB situation was in order. She promised me to never be clingy, and even with epic sex she held true to her promise. She did something that I actually respected, and came flat out and told me that if things didn't work out with my GF that she would be interested in something more with me, but that was it. After that she never pressed the issue or mentioned it again which I thought was completely classy. Great sex, no harm done, no hard feelings. I wish all FWB had her attitude and maturity.

Some might have noticed some vowels gone from my prior name. Its a cosmetic change only. All opinions, techniques, quirks, personality flaws and misgivings of the former identity have been retained. LOL.

It was done for somewhat experimental reasons, that I will am going to keep between Admin2 and I for now. Just know the change had purposeful intention, and the decision to change it was not just for the hell of it.

Hopefully it won't cause too much confusion. I don't think it's possible to change it in quoted text.

JL.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3105490]Some might have noticed some vowels gone from my prior name. Its a cosmetic change only. All opinions, techniques, quirks, personality flaws and misgivings of the former identity have been retained. LOL.

It was done for somewhat experimental reasons, that I will am going to keep between Admin2 and I for now. Just know the change had purposeful intention, and the decision to change it was not just for the hell of it.

Hopefully it won't cause too much confusion. I don't think it's possible to change it in quoted text.

JL.[/QUOTE]LOL it won't.

[QUOTE=FScott;3011178]My brothers,

I feel compelled to share one of my recent experiences with the clubhouse in the hopes that those who are able can follow my lead. I was having a second date lunch with a gorgeous, tiny (under 5') latina spinner on Monday and things were going swimmingly. Lots of flirting, little touches, laughing and so on. We've all been there, I'm sure. In any event, as I was paying the check, she came right out and asked if I would get a room for a couple of hours. I had not planned on going to the FC, and so was unprepared, but then I remembered downloading a short-stay hotel room finding app called Beewake. I opened it up, let it find where we were, and in less than a minute had a room for the afternoon in a 4 star hotel in downtown Chicago for $59. Fifteen minutes after that, I had my baby's ankles on my shoulders and was pounding her with all the enthusiasm I could muster, which I assure you was considerable!

I checked out a couple hours later, took the receipt and tossed it, and was on my way home, a happy daddy indeed. The app requires confirming the room with a cc, but it does not run anything, and when I got to the hotel I paid cash, so no records. My understanding is that it is not in all areas around the country, maybe just the major cities, but if you can use it, I highly urge you to download it. The front desk knows you only want the room for a few hours, generally 4 to 5, so no awkward conversations, and the room was ready when we got there, so no early check-in issues. I am convinced it was invented by one of us, it's just too perfect not to have been.

On another note, I recently reactivated my SA account, and am awash in sweet young pussy. If you had told me when I was in college that 30 years later I would be fucking HYBs in their 20's who were better looking than anything I was getting at the time, I would have told you you were insane!

Life is good.

Scott.[/QUOTE]Dear Mr. F Scott. Beyond this useful tidbit, you are responsible for some of the pointers in the archive about how to do the hotel thing without leaving a trace for the SO to find. However, that archive is dated, and we would all benefit if you could provide an update of new practices that might be relevant, beyond the app you mention here. Some of us are still technologically challenged. There are also website like hotels9 to5 etc. That do this, but their offerings are limited, and if they aren't serving your area, we need a different solution.

Was the worst idea SA ever had. I've met 2 POTs who used that and should have gone w / at least 'a few extra pounds' - they weren't curvy, which I see as busty+booty. I saw their full-length photos too, but there was just no way to tell until they walked into the sushi bar.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3105587]LOL it won't.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I know but it seemed awkward to just change the name without saying something, with all the existing posts laying around under the old name. Besides don't estimate how badly two letters can throw off newbies, we still get people that stop in to say "what is SA" or "what is FC". LOL.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3104630]Yeah, I don't think I want to have a paid membership continually. It provides discipline not to be able to message. I get OCD with the POTs on the site and spend way too much time there. Not to mention I have a SB who's supposed to be exclusive to me (and actually may be. She's busy as heck otherwise), but I don't really know her expectations in return. I just know her profile is deactivated and I keep mine that way when not online even when I am paid, to minimize the chance she sees I am on the site looking for girls in travel destinations.
.[/QUOTE]My resolve not to be paid on SA for a while is crumbling. Working with a senior I enhanced my profile, and now a brand new hot 18 YO spinner in Newport Beach has favorited me in response to my favoriting her. And I can't communicate with her.

Yeah, I've had the same experience in the past, but it's also gone both ways. Some girls have a seriously screwed up body image of them self. I've met with girls who list curvy, but should be athletic. I've also had your experience where they end up being bbw.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3105781]Was the worst idea SA ever had. I've met 2 POTs who used that and should have gone w / at least 'a few extra pounds' - they weren't curvy, which I see as busty+booty. I saw their full-length photos too, but there was just no way to tell until they walked into the sushi bar.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the tip Bike. Re-upped the SA account with most unread messages from one of my old accounts and didn't bother to create any duplicates this go around if SAS isn't offering the discount. Back in the saddle and will update the board on my activities. So far it's like shooting fish in the battel. Not as interesting as the prior game I was playing, but that took up way more time and effort.

As for changing names on an old account, it doesn't effect the conversations at all.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;3104738]I don't think SA offers the discounts any longer. The girls are likely just changing their name with their current account. SA allows you to do that. I don't know how that affects your prior conversations etc.[/QUOTE]

I just had 'the talk' with my newest almost baby, OChottie, I posted earlier on. I inquired if she had Gardasil, and she emphatically remembered it being 3 painful shots. She's now good to go vs. HPV, though. I have been reading (in the AARP bulletin! LOL) that rates of head and neck cancer are high and it seems to be b / c of HPV infections from DATY. This is supposedly what got that famous actor Michael, son of Kirk. Given my enthusiasm for going down on SYTs, Gardasil is a real blessing, and yet another good reason to 'go young' (it's only given to girls up to 25). Also, no worry about genital warts. Staying away from those incurable viral diseases (HIV, HPV, HSV) is a good idea. Stay safe bowl brothers.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3106126]My resolve not to be paid on SA for a while is crumbling. Working with a senior I enhanced my profile, and now a brand new hot 18 YO spinner in Newport Beach has favorited me in response to my favoriting her. And I can't communicate with her.[/QUOTE]Tell me about it, I've got over 10 messages including a couple from young hotties that have favorited me. Wish SA would figure out this prepaid issue ASAP.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3106646]I just had 'the talk' with my newest almost baby, OChottie, I posted earlier on. I inquired if she had Gardasil, and she emphatically remembered it being 3 painful shots. She's now good to go vs. HPV, though. I have been reading (in the AARP bulletin! LOL) that rates of head and neck cancer are high and it seems to be b / c of HPV infections from DATY. This is supposedly what got that famous actor Michael, son of Kirk. Given my enthusiasm for going down on SYTs, Gardasil is a real blessing, and yet another good reason to 'go young' (it's only given to girls up to 25). Also, no worry about genital warts. Staying away from those incurable viral diseases (HIV, HPV, HSV) is a good idea. Stay safe bowl brothers.[/QUOTE]Finding a good safe DATY partner is my main reason looking for a SB rather than seeing BP girls. Thought I had found a girl in Richmond that would fit my bill as she wanted to be an exclusive SB for a reasonable allowance. I suggested we both go and get a STD test to put ourselves at ease. She said no as she was embarrassed to go in for a test like that. Never heard from her since. So I am thinking she was nervous about what it might show or even worse, already knew.

I still get nervous when my wife goes in for various GYN exams that I might have given her something that has no symptoms on me.

[QUOTE=NutInHer;3106750]Tell me about it, I've got over 10 messages including a couple from young hotties that have favorited me. Wish SA would figure out this prepaid issue ASAP.[/QUOTE]Bummer. You're stuck not being able to renew? My most recent renewal was done by emailing someone at PaymentWall all of the digits from the prepaid card.

I tried really hard to give up the bowl and be faithful to the SO. Went 2 years, but finally cracked. Got another burner phone and posted a short ad on Craigs in the talent section. Good lord I never expected this response. I saw 6 in a 2 week period. All had recent tests that they shared (I never had one ask about or share ad STD test before, and had 6 willing to this time) Had 3 more hot AA that I just said no thanks to because I was running out of cash. Here are 4 that are 1 and done. The blond / pink suit swears it was a 1 time thing claims she could not make car payment after tuition. Body 10 face 9. 5 performance, 6-7 (pretty girl syndrome). 2nd one also a student, but probably not for long. BB the hell out of me, but she was just not very bright and no connection. Body 8 face 9, performance 8. Number 3 also a student had an attitude. Smoking hot body, but would not do oral. Would do BB so go figure. Number 4 was a red head. A bit too country for me. Not sharing pictures of the other 2. Both married and both hot. Might be repeats if I don't get my habit under control again.

I have never had a response off of CL like this before back when I was a regular. Is the economy about to crack again? I am guessing I have to start my 12 step over at step one again.

BP is under siege from the GMan. The Debs are probably moving over to CL.

Beaches ,you realize that the entire monger community is going to be moving over to your find .

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;3106970]I tried really hard to give up the bowl and be faithful to the SO. Went 2 years, but finally cracked. Got another burner phone and posted a short ad on Craigs in the talent section. Good lord I never expected this response. I saw 6 in a 2 week period. All had recent tests that they shared (I never had one ask about or share ad STD test before, and had 6 willing to this time) Had 3 more hot AA that I just said no thanks to because I was running out of cash. Here are 4 that are 1 and done. The blond / pink suit swears it was a 1 time thing claims she could not make car payment after tuition. Body 10 face 9. 5 performance, 6-7 (pretty girl syndrome). 2nd one also a student, but probably not for long. BB the hell out of me, but she was just not very bright and no connection. Body 8 face 9, performance 8. Number 3 also a student had an attitude. Smoking hot body, but would not do oral. Would do BB so go figure. Number 4 was a red head. A bit too country for me. Not sharing pictures of the other 2. Both married and both hot. Might be repeats if I don't get my habit under control again.

I have never had a response off of CL like this before back when I was a regular. Is the economy about to crack again? I am guessing I have to start my 12 step over at step one again.[/QUOTE]Care to share your general approach? Do you post looking for adult entertainers? Models?

So jealous reading beaches report. I have posted about 10 CL ads always in casual (Chicago). I have received one real person respond, she wanted to meet in public first and when we did, tag team with her husband was what she wanted. Not for me.

So what is the secret? How much were you donating?

I need wisdom from all out there about how to dump a SB. I've pretty much decided to do so for logistical reasons, but she's playing me some too. I'd like to maintain my image of myself as a nice guy, but business is business and I need to do it. The SB in? Is a 40 YO MILF, single mom, a little crazy, a little GPS. I am pretty confident my personal info is protected, but not 100%. Mistakes were made, as Reagan said.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;3106970]I tried really hard to give up the bowl and be faithful to the SO. Went 2 years, but finally cracked. Got another burner phone and posted a short ad on Craigs in the talent section. Good lord I never expected this response. I saw 6 in a 2 week period. All had recent tests that they shared (I never had one ask about or share ad STD test before, and had 6 willing to this time) Had 3 more hot AA that I just said no thanks to because I was running out of cash. Here are 4 that are 1 and done. The blond / pink suit swears it was a 1 time thing claims she could not make car payment after tuition. Body 10 face 9. 5 performance, 6-7 (pretty girl syndrome). 2nd one also a student, but probably not for long. BB the hell out of me, but she was just not very bright and no connection. Body 8 face 9, performance 8. Number 3 also a student had an attitude. Smoking hot body, but would not do oral. Would do BB so go figure. Number 4 was a red head. A bit too country for me. Not sharing pictures of the other 2. Both married and both hot. Might be repeats if I don't get my habit under control again.

I have never had a response off of CL like this before back when I was a regular. Is the economy about to crack again? I am guessing I have to start my 12 step over at step one again.[/QUOTE]What city is this in? I'd guess this is very city -dependent. Posting in the talent section might be key.

I'm pretty sure all the seniors on this site will be joining you in hell. Present company included. Congrats on your exploits in the bowl off of CL.

Yeah, the economy is about to go into the tank, but remember, the damn thing never really fully recovered. The phenomenon of the bowl is partly fueled by the inability of young art history majors to find jobs.

I suspect ladies like these make up a good chunk of that part of the labor force that has completely dropped out and stopped looking for a new job.

Like I said before. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;3106970]I tried really hard to give up the bowl and be faithful to the SO. Went 2 years, but finally cracked. Got another burner phone and posted a short ad on Craigs in the talent section. Good lord I never expected this response. I saw 6 in a 2 week period. All had recent tests that they shared (I never had one ask about or share ad STD test before, and had 6 willing to this time) Had 3 more hot AA that I just said no thanks to because I was running out of cash. Here are 4 that are 1 and done. The blond / pink suit swears it was a 1 time thing claims she could not make car payment after tuition. Body 10 face 9. 5 performance, 6-7 (pretty girl syndrome). 2nd one also a student, but probably not for long. BB the hell out of me, but she was just not very bright and no connection. Body 8 face 9, performance 8. Number 3 also a student had an attitude. Smoking hot body, but would not do oral. Would do BB so go figure. Number 4 was a red head. A bit too country for me. Not sharing pictures of the other 2. Both married and both hot. Might be repeats if I don't get my habit under control again.

I have never had a response off of CL like this before back when I was a regular. Is the economy about to crack again? I am guessing I have to start my 12 step over at step one again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3107455]What city is this in? I'd guess this is very city -dependent. Posting in the talent section might be key.[/QUOTE]Yeah your probably right, my small town has numerous postings for models, actresses, abd so forth. Some are starting the pay out at $1500 per session for models.

Probably most are scams. Did see one posting for MILF companion but who knows if that is legit. My thought is if your posting and getting response from CL then your getting sex workers. Most 20 year olds seeking jobs don't look on craigslist or even know about it unless in the sex trade. Sooner or later posting jobs then trying to convert them to a sb can come back to bite you in the ass when the girl who is only interested in a job figures out what's going on.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3107488]I'm pretty sure all the seniors on this site will be joining you in hell. Present company included. Congrats on your exploits in the bowl off of CL.

Yeah, the economy is about to go into the tank, but remember, the damn thing never really fully recovered. The phenomenon of the bowl is partly fueled by the inability of young art history majors to find jobs.

I suspect ladies like these make up a good chunk of that part of the labor force that has completely dropped out and stopped looking for a new job.

Like I said before. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.[/QUOTE]After a slow September messaging on SA in Richmond, it has really picked up in the last week for me. Three unsolicited messages for me already this morning from 22 to 46 years olds. Yesterday I made a date for tomorrow night and I had to cancel another that wanted to see tomorrow night as well. But it goes in spurts. I changed my approach recently to making it clear no money until the FC. Quickly weeded out the platonic ones and the time wasters. One that said no to sex is back saying she will make sure I leave happy after our first date. So she is back on my list as a potential. I do think it will pick up even more as it did last year when Christmas season rolls around and babies need money for gifts. Still have a high number of GPS ones but new ones are online each day so move on to the next.

[QUOTE=AlMelrose;3107070]So jealous reading beaches report. I have posted about 10 CL ads always in casual (Chicago). I have received one real person respond, she wanted to meet in public first and when we did, tag team with her husband was what she wanted. Not for me.

So what is the secret? How much were you donating?[/QUOTE]The secret was that I did not post in the dating section I posted in jobs. I made it clear in my first response that the job was "intimate" and sent a fake pic. Damage was 150 for most, 250 for the pink suit. All were multihour visits.

I said I was supprised because in the past, I would get a bunch of chubby black chics or women that would back out before meeting. I found only a few gems with multiple posts.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3107450]I need wisdom from all out there about how to dump a SB. I've pretty much decided to do so for logistical reasons, but she's playing me some too. I'd like to maintain my image of myself as a nice guy, but business is business and I need to do it. The SB in? Is a 40 YO MILF, single mom, a little crazy, a little GPS. I am pretty confident my personal info is protected, but not 100%. Mistakes were made, as Reagan said.[/QUOTE]Tell her your job has changed and you cannot get away anymore.