Getting FS from Your Favorite HJ HE Girl
Getting a HE woman to open up her menu to FS is an art of seduction, not a demand for additional service.
If she's in a standard HJ-HE place, FS is out of the norm, and she's not expected or planning to offer full service. We have to gain her trust and be attractive enough for her to eventually want to, allow, or to offer full service. In my experience, I've always had to request sex, none have offered it even if we've done a whole lot of mutual play together.
We have to choose wisely too. Getting UTR full service takes time and money. Investing in the wrong woman won't bear any fruit. Work on the women who already please you and bear their breasts and pussy for your touch. It goes to logic, that any woman who won't allow this or is wearing armor outfits isn't going to make the jump to full service.
The fastest I got FS from a HJ-HE girl was on the third visit. We really connected and I just went with the feeling it was possible, so on the second visit I asked for boom-boom and said next time I'll bring a condom. She did the finger on the lips thing, and I did it back. On the third visit after the flip I produced the condom and got some awesome FS from her. The longest took a year. She never let on she'd go for it, and I was stupid for not asking sooner. As soon as I produced the condom and asked for sex, she was all for it. She became one of my long-term UTR girls.
The ones who allow bear roaming are the best candidates to invest in, and you should touch them gently and with kindness. Make it as enjoyable for them as you can. You'll be surprised how many give into soft non-penetrating contact. Play with the rims of their vagina and ass without penetration, and massage their clit and lips, many get soaking wet with this play, some will orgasm to your touch. Be nice to their breasts and especially their nipples, enjoy them with soft gentle contact.
If they will open their legs to allow you to dine at the why you are pretty much there. Show them a condom and ask for sex or boom-boom. This is the point they are half-naked, exposed, wet and horny, and you've proven yourself to be safe and trustworthy. Once they say yes, or nod, be sure to be quiet, follow their directions, and have fun.
Since this is all UTR the sex must be quiet too, so no "pounding" that pussy, or making the furniture creak and walk across the floor. Moaning or screaming is out of the question. And if you start any of that, she may freak out and cut off the privileges in a heartbeat.
Most will only get partially undressed. They will give access to their breasts and pussy, but will be in the able to get dresses quickly. Enjoy what you can.
If you're one of those guys who needs to pinch tits, ram fingers in holes, pound pussy and make her scream just keep going to the half hour full service girls, they're ready to take your money and let you do them. Don't waste your time and money on HJ girls, hoping to get more.
Providing the condom is key. Very few sex workers allow bare sex (unless you pay a premium.) HJ girls will not go to FS is they think you plan bare sex. Offering a quality condom alleviates their fears and lets them feel good saying yes. Many will check the condom closely and verify it is on many times during the action. Many take great care putting it on me with a close inspection, so I know the condom is important to them.
When the deed is done, expect to take the condom and wrapper with you off the premises. Doing so alleviates their fears someone that their spa will discover they are giving FS to customers. Or worse, LE stops in and finds a used condom in the trash. Tie it in a knot to avoid seepage, wrapped it in tissue, an take it away. Gas stations are a good easy place to dump them, while you get a power drink to fuel up again.
I enjoy fucking the women who don't fuck every customer. The ones who are not expected to offer a full range of service or obligated to fuck their customers. I like the ones who have a choice who they fuck and only fuck special customers. I enjoy being that special customer who they agree to have sex with me.
A HE+ Wants To Meet Me Outside Of The Parlor. Good Idea?
[QUOTE=MaximusKahn;7441992]Getting a HE woman to open up her menu to FS is an art of seduction, not a demand for additional service.[/QUOTE]There is a HE-only place (not saying which one) that I've been going to for years, with a number of different providers. Some allowed roaming, so the shirts came off, but we both knew I was there for HE.
Recently I was paired up with a different provider, and we ended up doing a whole bunch of extra activity both on and off the table, of the heavy petting variety. The first time ended in an HE, but the next time she offered 69, and I was so surprised (I had never done it before) that I said yes. And boy, she was wet, and she did a great job. The next time I went I asked for the same, and we did it again. Then she wanted my phone number, and though her English skills are not that great, my impression was that she wanted to offer the same but on her own time (she is 40 ish+, and only works at this place 2 days a week).
So now we are exchanging texts (I downloaded the Burner app and got a burner phone # for this), but haven't yet got to where we are meeting next.
My question, is whether this is normal? And what should I be expecting if it is? For instance, whose place, is there dinner involved (I. E. Is this like a friends with benefits, but paid? Etc. She is cute, with a great body, and I've shown her that I can give her pleasure too with just a finger. I'm definitely older than her, but I can't rule out that she is looking for someone to allow her to stay here.
Any thoughts?
Speical Relationships Require Care
It's great you built a connection and getting a better menu. It seems like you have good chemistry.
Realize almost to no exception these professional sex workers are in it for the money, or green cards. When it works well it feels close to a GF or a F with benefits situation, but they want money. They want a good regular customer who treats them nice, a sucker who pays too much, or a sugar daddy of sorts, or a man who is going to take care of them. When you connect you become a candidate for one of those roles.
I'd keep to meeting at the spa for a long a time as you get acquainted. If you want to meet out of the spa, I'd never do that in public, unless you are single, or be able to explain the situation to anyone who may see you. Be aware someone may see you but you don't see them, and people do talk. Especially if it's a juicy secret about someone else. I'd never take a PSW to my home.
Over time and visits you'll get a better feeling as to her intentions. Keep your personal information personal, and don't answer questions. I've noticed that as soon as you seem like a good long term resource to them the questions start coming. They are interviewing you for the job of taking care of them. They pay attention to how you dress, what you drive (seeing your car key is a clue, I've had some peek out as I drove away), and if they see your home (be it house or apt / condo etc) they get an idea of your wealth-earning potential. Even the innocent question of asking what you do for work can be one way they find out if you have money or not too.
Nothing wrong with taking it slow and keeping all the action at the spa. If she insists on meeting away from the spa, a clandestine rendezvous at her place or hotel is all I'd suggest. Even that can be a test she uses to find out if you are single or not. If you can meet in public without any issues then you may be single and she knows there is no other woman in your life.
Back to what I said, know that they are in it for the money. Don't kid yourself otherwise no matter how sweet and charming she is and the sex is out of this world. She's a professional sex worker, you are a client.
Just sharing some thoughts, hope it helps.
Max.
P.S. If she ever asks for a "loan" or money to fix her car, pay her rent, or help with an emergency, run away as fast and far as you can.
[QUOTE=PfiftySoCal;7462370]There is a HE-only place (not saying which one) that I've been going to for years, with a number of different providers. Some allowed roaming, so the shirts came off, but we both knew I was there for HE.
Recently I was paired up with a different provider, and we ended up doing a whole bunch of extra activity both on and off the table, of the heavy petting variety. The first time ended in an HE, but the next time she offered 69, and I was so surprised (I had never done it before) that I said yes. And boy, she was wet, and she did a great job. The next time I went I asked for the same, and we did it again. Then she wanted my phone number, and though her English skills are not that great, my impression was that she wanted to offer the same but on her own time (she is 40 ish+, and only works at this place 2 days a week).
Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]
Question on San Francisco Recommendations
The San Francisco Reports are few and far between and seem really lacking in options. Is it me or are there truly not many great options in a city as big as San Francisco for a quality massage with extras??
San Diego. Operating like China now?
What do you folks think?
[URL]https://fox5sandiego.com/news/local-news/san-diego-sex-trafficking-bill/[/URL]
Is CBJ becoming the norm?
Feels like every new prospect I look at is CBJ these days, am I looking in the wrong places or is it really getting harder to get a good BBBJ? I just turned 60 (fml) got to keep enjoying it while I can use it LOL but a wrapped BJ doesn't do anything for me, and never has.
