"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[QUOTE=BrownSugaTwo;6406308]Does anyone know if natayladarling is real?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/17c1bea3-77d7-4665-af07-82e43b28c24c[/URL][/QUOTE]As other's stated. But she is very pricy for a ppm. Got more pro vibes out of her than SB she was straight business and to the point. She sent some hot pics to confirm she's real. Offered to come to me as well. She advertises in the Atl area when I first contacted her but she's definitely much further away, looks like she shows Savannah now, she offered to come an hour and a half to me. But as stated she's not cheap. As far as offerings she's good for BBBJ and BBFS (didn't say cip) if you can prove you're clean with recent results.

Last October I posted a question here to ask everyone's experience getting SB in Colombia / South America. Then I went and the SB experience was alright since the SB spoke English. But they were mostly 6 so I wasn't too thrilled. I discovered that the local escort scene is just too good to pass. Most working girls I seen are 7 to 8 provide GFE and DFK for $30-50. Much cheaper and more accessible than the limited option here in Atlanta.

I tried SA for 3 months and other establishments here already. Atlanta SB who are barely 6 wants 400+ now. And it is just too much effort to go thru the filtering, M&G, and then just bail. I felt like got a second job.

I will visit there again soon for around 2-3 weeks so if anyone is interested PM me.

[QUOTE=TylerDurden07;6405277]Completely out of the blue, I just received a text from a "424" area code & whoever it was knew my real name--as in, legal name, because everybody who knows me calls me by my nickname. This gal, whoever it was, threatened to "expose" me for soliciting prostitution. She then said she was "inboxing & faxing" (who uses a fax machine anymore? Screenshots of my SA messages of me trying to pay for sex. She also reminded me her "connections run deep. " Oh boy. I'm a zero-drama guy so I just replied "LOL, bye" & blocked her.

Anyone dealt with this type of stuff before?

One, I never give out my real name to any of these girls until I've vetted them in person. Two, I never discuss sex or sexual details on SA for fear of being banned so I have no idea where these "screenshots" she references are. Finally, she didn't identify herself after I asked her to. Nonetheless, I have a pretty good idea who it is, & she's pretty well known to this Board.

I've been generally pretty lucky avoiding the really dangerous batshit crazy ones until now. Normally, I'd roll my eyes & write this one off without concern except she knew my real legal name. Worried? No. Concerned? Yes.[/QUOTE]Only you know your risk tolerance for being "outed". If they have your legal name, it's pretty trivial to find your social media. How bad would it go if she started posting on your facebook or Insta that you pay for sex? If you're married that could be a disaster. If you're job cares or has a morality clause, that could be a problem. Or maybe none of that matters and the worst that can happen is you have an embarrassing post you have to delete then claim it was a scammer / hacker for plausible deniability.

I would be concerned in knowing how they were able to track down my legal name. Did I text them from my real ph# instead of my burner by accident? Did I have a piece of mail in my car addressed to my real name that she might have seen if I picked her up? Did I use my real info when I setup my email account? So on and so on.

[QUOTE=MacLuvin;6406478]As other's stated. But she is very pricy for a ppm. Got more pro vibes out of her than SB she was straight business and to the point. She sent some hot pics to confirm she's real. Offered to come to me as well. She advertises in the Atl area when I first contacted her but she's definitely much further away, looks like she shows Savannah now, she offered to come an hour and a half to me. But as stated she's not cheap. As far as offerings she's good for BBBJ and BBFS (didn't say cip) if you can prove you're clean with recent results.[/QUOTE]Texted with her a few months ago and she passed my verification pic request, so I know she's real, but the GPS was real and I quickly moved on.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6406750]Texted with her a few months ago and she passed my verification pic request, so I know she's real, but the GPS was real and I quickly moved on.[/QUOTE]Yeah it's a shame too, because even though I don't usually go for the muscley girls, she looks like she'd be fun and I was definitely turned on by her pics and willingness to do pretty much anything.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6406745]Only you know your risk tolerance for being "outed". If they have your legal name, it's pretty trivial to find your social media. How bad would it go if she started posting on your facebook or Insta that you pay for sex? If you're married that could be a disaster. If you're job cares or has a morality clause, that could be a problem. Or maybe none of that matters and the worst that can happen is you have an embarrassing post you have to delete then claim it was a scammer / hacker for plausible deniability.

I would be concerned in knowing how they were able to track down my legal name. Did I text them from my real ph# instead of my burner by accident? Did I have a piece of mail in my car addressed to my real name that she might have seen if I picked her up? Did I use my real info when I setup my email account? So on and so on.[/QUOTE]Fortunately, I don't have much to lose. Not married or in a relationship. My business partner is a dude who's in the hobby too (truth, I swear). But I'm more concerned about how she got my real legal name. I never actually met her, so she couldn't have "seen" anything incriminating in person. And I also wasn't stupid, so I'm searching to mind trying to figure out how.

[QUOTE=Zephyr69;6406508]Last October I posted a question here to ask everyone's experience getting SB in Colombia / South America. Then I went and the SB experience was alright since the SB spoke English. But they were mostly 6 so I wasn't too thrilled. I discovered that the local escort scene is just too good to pass. Most working girls I seen are 7 to 8 provide GFE and DFK for $30-50. Much cheaper and more accessible than the limited option here in Atlanta.

I tried SA for 3 months and other establishments here already. Atlanta SB who are barely 6 wants 400+ now. And it is just too much effort to go thru the filtering, M&G, and then just bail. I felt like got a second job.

I will visit there again soon for around 2-3 weeks so if anyone is interested PM me.[/QUOTE]You ignore the risk in Columbia: from cartels to police.

[QUOTE=TylerDurden07;6406880]Fortunately, I don't have much to lose. Not married or in a relationship. My business partner is a dude who's in the hobby too (truth, I swear). But I'm more concerned about how she got my real legal name. I never actually met her, so she couldn't have "seen" anything incriminating in person. And I also wasn't stupid, so I'm searching to mind trying to figure out how.[/QUOTE]Did you share a picture with her? There are posts from a couple weeks ago about a website site called pimeyes that compares any picture against ones available on the web. Even though the picture being run through the website does not appear anywhere on the web, the program uses facial recognition to find publicly available pictures that are a match. Unfortunately, several posters tested it and it works really well. It's particularly troublesome if you have a professional picture on a business website. Search pimeyes and you'll see the discussion.

[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;6405871]You need to google "hot crazy matrix". You entered the "danger zone". "This is where your car gets keyed, you get a bunny in the pot, your tires get slashed, and you wind up in jail".[/QUOTE]How true the "hot crazy matrix" ended up being is just astounding. True geniuses before their time.

[QUOTE=MacLuvin;6405025]Just a rant, but I wish guys would quit simping on these girls on SA and SDM. SDM has a feature that you can see where other people have either commented on a profile or pic and it shows it publicly. Kind of an odd feature, but anyhow, I swear all these guys are the reason these girls get GPS and want so much $$. I was viewing this one girls profile, kind of cute, maybe a low 7 but petite / athletic body. Not supermodel looking or instagram filter type looks. Anyways, mr. Simp publicly commented on her profile he'd pay her $5 k for a weekend. I'm not even going to message somebody like that because she's already seeing messages like that. No thanks.[/QUOTE]Simping is a mental disorder, and they are infecting our bowl messing it up for the rest of us. It pisses me off.

What do they even gain from it? A maxed out Amex and a dry dick? It makes no sense.

As the title says, what's the best or most successful sites for arrangements or hookups?

I've tried and actually did a 1 month gold membership to adultfinder and was definitely a waste of money.

I prefer thick or bbw when looking for arrangements if that narrows down what sites would be best for that.

[QUOTE=Marcus07;6407464]As the title says, what's the best or most successful sites for arrangements or hookups?

I've tried and actually did a 1 month gold membership to adultfinder and was definitely a waste of money.

I prefer thick or bbw when looking for arrangements if that narrows down what sites would be best for that.[/QUOTE]Seeking or sugar daddy meets.

I've been using SDM's for about a year, in that year I've pulled over 10 girls. I go for mid 20's spinners or hot milfs, so it's a bit slower for me than it would be for you.

[QUOTE=Marcus07;6407464]As the title says, what's the best or most successful sites for arrangements or hookups?

I've tried and actually did a 1 month gold membership to adultfinder and was definitely a waste of money.

I prefer thick or bbw when looking for arrangements if that narrows down what sites would be best for that.[/QUOTE]I've had great success with [URL]seeking.com[/URL]. It's $120 a month unless you can get a discount code, but someone posted a 20% off one a little lower in the thread, so hopefully it still works. I usually turn my subscription on for a month when they have a special, setup meetups with 3-4 potentials, fuck 1-3 of them, then turn my sub off, and just rotate between the 3 new SBs as needed. Usually I get enough girls to last me 3-4 months before I get bored and decide I need some fresh strange.

Typically if a girl can host I offer 300 per meet, or if I need to get us a hotel then I offer 200 per meet. I don't chase after the wannabe models, and I routinely fuck anywhere from early 20s to early 30s sexy af girls who are eager to please and feel like a gf when we're together, usually for a couple of hours, all bare, with multiple pops.

Funny enough I'm currently banging a late 20 something model for 300 and she hosts who is just the sweetest, most submissive and eager to please girl I've seen in months, and I alternate her with an early 20's MILF who is also 300 PPM, doesn't have quite the same body but gives some of the best BJs I've ever had. I pick up a Plan B on Amazon for $8 and get to finish inside either of them at will. I also have an early 30s MILF with the body of a co-ed that travels too much to be a regular thing, but I see her once or twice a month for only $100 plus dinner and hotel. She has a her tubes tied so no BC concerns there.

[QUOTE=Marcus07;6407464]As the title says, what's the best or most successful sites for arrangements or hookups?

I've tried and actually did a 1 month gold membership to adultfinder and was definitely a waste of money.

I prefer thick or bbw when looking for arrangements if that narrows down what sites would be best for that.[/QUOTE]I'd say you'll have easy success picking up the thick / bbw types on seeking or SDM. I'm a bit pickier since I'm spending money I figure I better go for the hot young athletic types. But trust me, those bbw girls have their competition cut out for them on there with all the college girls and will probably be easy picking if that's your thing. I get bombarded with messages and requests from that crowd and generally ignore. Again I'm just super picky on there.

[QUOTE=PeterPan;6406269]Thank you.[/QUOTE]Here is another code, this one is for 25% off.

VWO25 COM.

Just back channel let me know. She seems flaky.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/b1b344e2-a75e-4815-afe2-f4c9a2ac1c33[/URL]

[QUOTE=SoonerFan72;6407811]Here is another code, this one is for 25% off.

VWO25 COM.[/QUOTE]Worked for me.

Here is my stealth message of the day for those that don't know. The best search tool I use is C-App. It's free and has about a 40-50% success rate as long as you have the digits. Just a reminder to not have "your" real info inside CA app. I'm aware you were not there yet. But this post did make me think about one of the ways I get so much intel on SBs before the fact. Mixed with some other free tools.

[QUOTE=TylerDurden07;6406880]Fortunately, I don't have much to lose. Not married or in a relationship. My business partner is a dude who's in the hobby too (truth, I swear). But I'm more concerned about how she got my real legal name. I never actually met her, so she couldn't have "seen" anything incriminating in person. And I also wasn't stupid, so I'm searching to mind trying to figure out how.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=2me4Looking2;6406324]I texted with her, but it never went anywhere. She said she lives a couple of hours south of Atlanta so I didn't really pursue it. She did send some really hot pictures though.[/QUOTE]Based on her SDM profile, she lives in Albany. Pretty far south, at least from me:

[URL]https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userProfile?userId=71815287&notServerPage=1[/URL]

And, thank you to everyone who commented about her.

[QUOTE=MarkScott;6408173]Here is my stealth message of the day for those that don't know. The best search tool I use is C-App. It's free and has about a 40-50% success rate as long as you have the digits. Just a reminder to not have "your" real info inside CA app. I'm aware you were not there yet. But this post did make me think about one of the ways I get so much intel on SBs before the fact. Mixed with some other free tools.[/QUOTE]I never heard of it, it definitely hasn't been mentioned on this site. It is an iPhone app I surmise. Well I have an Android phone. Any way to get the same on a web page?

[QUOTE=MarkScott;6408173]Here is my stealth message of the day for those that don't know. The best search tool I use is C-App. It's free and has about a 40-50% success rate as long as you have the digits. Just a reminder to not have "your" real info inside CA app. I'm aware you were not there yet. But this post did make me think about one of the ways I get so much intel on SBs before the fact. Mixed with some other free tools.[/QUOTE]Can you be more specific on this? I can't seem to find C-App or CA App.

I can do a little research with their phone number with it.

[QUOTE=AmpFanatl;6408825]Can you be more specific on this? I can't seem to find C-App or CA App.[/QUOTE]

Scammers, wants you to send money in advance "cause she was scammed before". NOPE.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e9612bac-62c6-454a-80d0-480f61455db6[/URL]

I'm a rookie at that app. It can actually be used for some reconnaissance if you have a number? I had no idea. I just figured it would leave a paper trail on my end, but it may be worth downloading just to check numbers out.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4c8fa044-b675-4f99-ac87-fd1c448045a4[/URL]

Novahhoquain

20 • Female • Atlanta, Georgia, United States

Spoil me

"'I'm a Virgo, I'm 20 and I love to have fun! I love to shop and spend money! I'm a manager at a family restaurant. After work you can find me at the gym and maybe a glass of wine after that. I will not meet up with you until I feel we have built a bond and trust. I'm very beautiful, no I am not a fake person or trying to scam you. I'm genuine and typically very social. I want to be a model and also I'd like to run my own business one day. I'm looking for someone who is not so focused on having sex. There's more to a person than their body, don't disrespect that. ".

Speaks for itself.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6409817][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4c8fa044-b675-4f99-ac87-fd1c448045a4[/URL]

Novahhoquain

20 Female Atlanta, Georgia, United States

Spoil me

"'I'm a Virgo, I'm 20 and I love to have fun! I love to shop and spend money! I'm a manager at a family restaurant. After work you can find me at the gym and maybe a glass of wine after that. I will not meet up with you until I feel we have built a bond and trust. I'm very beautiful, no I am not a fake person or trying to scam you. I'm genuine and typically very social. I want to be a model and also I'd like to run my own business one day. I'm looking for someone who is not so focused on having sex. There's more to a person than their body, don't disrespect that. ".

Speaks for itself.[/QUOTE]I agree. Even without the line about not wanting guys focused on sex, this profile would have been a no go for me. The line about not meeting until there is a bond or trust, to me, is a glaring red flag that she wants money to chat online. I always move on from profiles that say anything like that.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6409817][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4c8fa044-b675-4f99-ac87-fd1c448045a4[/URL]

Novahhoquain

20 Female Atlanta, Georgia, United States

Spoil me

"'I'm a Virgo, I'm 20 and I love to have fun! I love to shop and spend money! I'm a manager at a family restaurant. After work you can find me at the gym and maybe a glass of wine after that. I will not meet up with you until I feel we have built a bond and trust. I'm very beautiful, no I am not a fake person or trying to scam you. I'm genuine and typically very social. I want to be a model and also I'd like to run my own business one day. I'm looking for someone who is not so focused on having sex. There's more to a person than their body, don't disrespect that. ".

Speaks for itself.[/QUOTE]From the sound of it she wants a large deposit before meeting in person.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6410166]I agree. Even without the line about not wanting guys focused on sex, this profile would have been a no go for me. The line about not meeting until there is a bond or trust, to me, is a glaring red flag that she wants money to chat online. I always move on from profiles that say anything like that.[/QUOTE]I get what you're saying, but I would have lost out on a lot of cheap or free pussy if I ignored those types of profiles and didn't chat them up a little. These girls have their own forums and assuming a certain level of literacy, they understand the monger-perspective of what an SB should be and many of them are aware of this forum and want to filter out what they consider to be "creeps".

Trust me I get it, I want convenient sex too, but the tradeoff of convenience has always been less options, higher traffic pussy, or a higher price point (or some combination of all of the above).

What has always been the crux of the sugaring lifestyle is the wide range of variance between convenience and cost. A little investment in game, knowing how women think and knowing how to say the right things can get those $1 k girls down to the cost of dinner fairly regularly. But it is an investment, and time is money too, so as always YMMV and weigh options carefully.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;6410598]knowing how to say the right things can get those $1 k girls down to the cost of dinner fairly regularly..[/QUOTE]There is some truth in what you are saying, but I seriously doubt you are regularly getting the $1 k girls down to $50. Maybe 2% of the time, but not "regularly". Unless you are super good looking, where they would do you for free, and then doesn't matter much what you said to them.

Anyway, if you enjoy taking absurd long shots, then go for it, and I know from experience that some (more like 1 out of 100) do pay off, but it's usually a waste of time, just like playing the lottery.

[QUOTE=AmpFanatl;6410294]From the sound of it she wants a large deposit before meeting in person.[/QUOTE]I didn't even think of that, but of course that is likely the case. Or she wants multiple lucrative dinner dates, without possibly doing anything sexual (and would likely never happen). And maybe there is a large enough pool of simps (and "findom" masochists) to have this strategy pay her rent every month, but definitely not for me.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6410661]There is some truth in what you are saying, but I seriously doubt you are regularly getting the $1 k girls down to $50. Maybe 2% of the time, but not "regularly". Unless you are super good looking, where they would do you for free, and then doesn't matter much what you said to them.

Anyway, if you enjoy taking absurd long shots, then go for it, and I know from experience that some (more like 1 out of 100) do pay off, but it's usually a waste of time, just like playing the lottery.[/QUOTE]First, dinner with me is never $50. Including drinks at a nice place and the tip alone might be thirty bucks. If anyone is trying to take a hot girl out to eat where the total bill is $50 that's a big part of why they aren't finding success. Second, one should understand that there is not really such a thing as a $1 k girl at all. That is just the price she quotes to someone she didn't really want to fuck in the first place. The art is in being someone she does want to fuck. Being attractive (and tremendously important, physically fit) for ones age indeed goes along way but there is much more to being skilled in handling women than just looks.

There are certainly some who are just high priced escorts and their GPS is not really up for negotiation, but when I sense that type I move on quickly.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;6410915]First, dinner with me is never $50. Including drinks at a nice place and the tip alone might be thirty bucks. If anyone is trying to take a hot girl out to eat where the total bill is $50 that's a big part of why they aren't finding success. Second, one should understand that there is not really such a thing as a $1 k girl at all. That is just the price she quotes to someone she didn't really want to fuck in the first place. The art is in being someone she does want to fuck. Being attractive (and tremendously important, physically fit) for ones age indeed goes along way but there is much more to being skilled in handling women than just looks.

There are certainly some who are just high priced escorts and their GPS is not really up for negotiation, but when I sense that type I move on quickly.[/QUOTE]How much on average are you shelling out to vet on a dinner? $150-200? How often? 2-4 time per month?

Unless majority are keepers worthy of being added to your stable, that can be quite a bit of money to serve as a loss leader.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;6410915]First, dinner with me is never $50. Including drinks at a nice place and the tip alone might be thirty bucks. If anyone is trying to take a hot girl out to eat where the total bill is $50 that's a big part of why they aren't finding success. Second, one should understand that there is not really such a thing as a $1 k girl at all. That is just the price she quotes to someone she didn't really want to fuck in the first place. The art is in being someone she does want to fuck. Being attractive (and tremendously important, physically fit) for ones age indeed goes along way but there is much more to being skilled in handling women than just looks.

There are certainly some who are just high priced escorts and their GPS is not really up for negotiation, but when I sense that type I move on quickly.[/QUOTE]You took the words right out of my mouth. Absolutely. Negotiating w / someone over the internet is never never never the way to get a great girl for something reasonable.

I also fail to understand the persistence of the 'simp' meme. What do any of those posting about them know, for a fact, 'they' are doing? A significant factor I would wager on the persistence of this trope is envy of guys who do happen to have a lot of dough, I mean really a lot, and failure to get really top notch SBs (which I definitely have, and I have posted detailed information about on this site).

[QUOTE=Wleakr;6411061]How much on average are you shelling out to vet on a dinner? $150-200? How often? 2-4 time per month?

Unless majority are keepers worthy of being added to your stable, that can be quite a bit of money to serve as a loss leader.[/QUOTE]This is one of the reasons I like to do coffee meet and greets. Easy, cheap and quicker way to determine if they are worth the time / funds to be added to the roster. It also has the added benefit of coming across as a guy looking for "more than just sex" in their head.

While we know all we want is to get their panties down.

[QUOTE=MacLuvin;6409228]I'm a rookie at that app. It can actually be used for some reconnaissance if you have a number? I had no idea. I just figured it would leave a paper trail on my end, but it may be worth downloading just to check numbers out.[/QUOTE]You can also use whatsapp. Manually add the SB's phone number as a contact and her info will show up if she is registered.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6410661]There is some truth in what you are saying, but I seriously doubt you are regularly getting the $1 k girls down to $50. Maybe 2% of the time, but not "regularly". Unless you are super good looking, where they would do you for free, and then doesn't matter much what you said to them.

Anyway, if you enjoy taking absurd long shots, then go for it, and I know from experience that some (more like 1 out of 100) do pay off, but it's usually a waste of time, just like playing the lottery.[/QUOTE]Yep same here. Time isn't free, I only have so much of my life I can or want to invest in the bowl honestly, so I pick and choose which SBs I chat up by playing the odds, and spend the rest of my free time doing something I actually enjoy.

[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;6411174]You can also use whatsapp. Manually add the SB's phone number as a contact and her info will show up if she is registered.[/QUOTE]Be careful with WhatsApp to go to settings and have it not display the phone number you used to register for the app.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6411128]I also fail to understand the persistence of the 'simp' meme. What do any of those posting about them know, for a fact, 'they' are doing? A significant factor I would wager on the persistence of this trope is envy of guys who do happen to have a lot of dough[/QUOTE]You would lose that wager, because you do fail to understand the obvious about what a "simp" even is. It's not a rich guy who pays women to go to dinner....not even close. I'm not going to waste the time explaining it to you, because again, it is a fairly conventional and widely understood term, by everyone else. You live in a world in which simps do not exist, which is a fantasy world. I was speaking about reality, not fantasy.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;6410915]Second, one should understand that there is not really such a thing as a $1 k girl at all. That is just the price she quotes to someone she didn't really want to fuck in the first place.

There are certainly some who are just high priced escorts and their GPS is not really up for negotiation[/QUOTE]You just directly contradicted yourself. And of course there are sugarbabies who won't take less than $1 k. Not a high % of them, but of course they do exist. And no, they aren't all "high priced escorts". I hate to be so argumentative , but just have to call out some of the absurd claims being made here.

Anyway, there are certainly girls out of my price range, and a few of them certainly do get $1 k....and a few of those even deserve it. And there are guys who drive $2 million cars and that's fine too. I don't have to be in denial about any of that to be able to sleep at night, and still find some fun on Seeking.

[QUOTE=Wleakr;6411061]How much on average are you shelling out to vet on a dinner? $150-200? How often? 2-4 time per month?

Unless majority are keepers worthy of being added to your stable, that can be quite a bit of money to serve as a loss leader.[/QUOTE]Maybe $165 on average, but it's usually only for the M&G, and since more than half the food and drink cost is for my own consumption (and I like good food), it has almost never turned out to be a bad investment.