Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Kiyakubuke;1503000]I had seen both of these on another site and they got good reviews. Seems like PA has a lot of really good AMPs. Tennessee is a wasteland. Only a few in the entire state (none within 1 hour of nashville) and those constantly getting closed down and even when they are open they are hardly worth the trip. That is what I get for living in the crotch of the bible belt.[/QUOTE]A lot of local people may not realize that Philly is one of the top 3 maybe 5 cities in the US for AMP's. The bad one's here are better than the best one's elsewhere. Go down to Florida and pay more, get less, from a over the hill masseuse. Even when Philly is down, it's better than most.

New York may be better, although you pay NY prices, and maybe San Fran. Washington DC use to be good, but don't think it recovered from the East Coast bust that took down CH a couple years ago.

[QUOTE=Basketball; 1503357]A lot of local people may not realize that Philly is one of the top 3 maybe 5 cities in the US for AMP's. The bad one's here are better than the best one's elsewhere. Go down to Florida and pay more, get less, from a over the hill masseuse. Even when Philly is down, it's better than most.

New York may be better, although you pay NY prices, and maybe San Fran. Washington DC use to be good, but don't think it recovered from the East Coast bust that took down CH a couple years ago.[/QUOTE]It will be a nice change from Nashville. About 10-15 years ago Nashville was decent, then they passed some BS law with a loophole that allowed them to come down hard on them. Now there is nothing and even the ones 40-50 miles away are constantly getting hassled. The only decent one within driving distance got busted so often they finally just gave up. From what I hear, DC is drying up too. I was up there in March and ended up having to get a girl off p411 for $$$.

I lived in Bankok for a few years and got spoiled. Never find pickings like that in the US.

I have also been looking at Aries in Allentown. Didn't see an Allentown thread on here, so I'll ask here if anyone is familiar with it. I'm flying into Philly, but staying in Allentown, so that may be easier for me.

BTW. The Philly board kicks ass. Never got so much info so fast from any other board.

Anybody been to the tremont or sandmeyer places listed on BP?

In two months I'll be in Philly and staying on Dock Street. I'm coming in by train so won't have private transportation and will only be there a couple of nights. Are there any places within walking distance?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Overload; 1504546]In two months I'll be in Philly and staying on Dock Street. I'm coming in by train so won't have private transportation and will only be there a couple of nights. Are there any places within walking distance?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Was a guest in the city of brotherly love myself a little while ago and stayed at the same Dock Street hotel. Fun City Asians (check out their website) was only about a 10 minute walk from the hotel. Great service at going rate. Enjoy. I will when I get back to Philly.

Ola all. I live down south but visit Philly once a month or so. Still searching for a great massage outcall to my hotel. Some success, but no one I call an atf yet. Any recommendations?

Likes: same as anyone else. Younger, in shape, clean, and the $ is not co much an issue. Will pay for quality.

Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=Amp Forever;1505308]Was a guest in the city of brotherly love myself a little while ago and stayed at the same Dock Street hotel. Fun City Asians (check out their website) was only about a 10 minute walk from the hotel. Great service at going rate. Enjoy. I will when I get back to Philly.[/QUOTE]I concur. I went there today. Flew into Philly from nashville and stopped by before I drove up to allentown. Very glad I did. I lived in Bangkok for a while and Fun City Asians is the closest thing I have found in the states. I saw Cory, she was off the charts. Very pretty, killer body and great personality. I plan to visit again on my way back out.

[QUOTE=Kiyakubuke; 1503866]It will be a nice change from Nashville. About 10-15 years ago Nashville was decent, then they passed some BS law with a loophole that allowed them to come down hard on them. Now there is nothing and even the ones 40-50 miles away are constantly getting hassled. The only decent one within driving distance got busted so often they finally just gave up. From what I hear, DC is drying up too. I was up there in March and ended up having to get a girl off p411 for $$$.

I lived in Bankok for a few years and got spoiled. Never find pickings like that in the US.

I have also been looking at Aries in Allentown. Didn't see an Allentown thread on here, so I'll ask here if anyone is familiar with it. I'm flying into Philly, but staying in Allentown, so that may be easier for me.

BTW. The Philly board kicks ass. Never got so much info so fast from any other board.[/QUOTE]K,

Check out the PA-Other Areas thread for updates on Aries.

E

[QUOTE=Amp Forever;1505308]Was a guest in the city of brotherly love myself a little while ago and stayed at the same Dock Street hotel. Fun City Asians (check out their website) was only about a 10 minute walk from the hotel. Great service at going rate. Enjoy. I will when I get back to Philly.[/QUOTE]Any places take credit cards? Don't like to carry a lot of cash with me.

Slapster

They did at one time. They might now. Bangkok does. There is usually a $10 to $15 extra charge for using a credit card.

IT IS NOT IN YOUR BEST INTEREST to use a credit card.

[QUOTE=Slapster; 1509582]Any places take credit cards? Don't like to carry a lot of cash with me.

Slapster[/QUOTE]Never leave a paper trail. Stop at a ATM right before entering and get some cash.

I've never been in much position to bring in toys. But one time I saw an AMP gal outside of work. She had a nice townhome near the beach. In her bedside drawer, she had 3 toys. I guess she liked collecting them.

[QUOTE=LuvumBare; 1477684]Yes. I almost always have a pocket rocket with me. Many of these girls have not had exposure to toys so it can be fun to teach them. I ring it out and let them see, touch taste and feel it. I wipe it with a couple of alcohol rubs I carry for that purpose. Start slowly with their breasts and nipples. As they begin to get into it, move slowly to the bushy parts and be very gentle. As soon as they feel it near their clit, you will know if she is a player or not. I let them use I to pleasure themselves for the first time so they feel in control.

There is no question, if they like it, you can shove it almost anywhere. Also, don't be shocked if she uses it on your rosebud. She won't shove it in, but, if she knoww what she is doing, she will drive you crazy with it.

Toy can be fun = I do not recommend bringing it our as a surprise. Make it a mutual learning experience. By the way, I often end up "sacrificing" my pocket rocket to the cause.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amp Forever;1505308]Was a guest in the city of brotherly love myself a little while ago and stayed at the same Dock Street hotel. Fun City Asians (check out their website) was only about a 10 minute walk from the hotel. Great service at going rate. Enjoy. I will when I get back to Philly.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info.

I will also vouch for this place. Although I think it's called DaDaDa and not Blue Moon. If that matters. I was visiting a couple weeks ago and decided to try them out. Called and asked if I could meet Sue in about 45 min: "no pwobwem". Get there and was told Sue not working today. The girl who was there was waaaay skinnier than my preference, but I figured WTF. I think her name was June. Or Jung. Or some shit like that. Glad I stayed around. Service was just as LuvumBare said. 160 up front. Very enthusiastic TS which she stripped bare for and after attention to the right places went for some BBJ and ass-rimming. Dried off and back in the room for some teasing, more ass rimming, and the aforementioned rusty trombone. She had me on all fours and would move up for some BB dick sucking in between ass licks. Covered CG, mish, finished doggie. Handed me a water on my way out 160 lighter and happy for it. Would recommend and would return. And as always, YMMV.

[QUOTE=LuvumBare; 1470539]This is the old location for the first FC. It is now owned by Jennifer of Blue Moon salad tossing fame. Call ahead for appointment with Sue (267-423-5887). Tell her Marko suggested her.

Be ready for the trip of your life. Full rates. 160 all in. Sue gives a fantastic TS with a more than adequate slide. She also enjoys DATY and, if you are good, she goes out of her way to make you happy. I suspect FS is on the menu but I prefer BBJCIM. This is not a place for the weak of spirit. When Sue gets her game on, she will wear you out between great rimming and her specialty. The rusty trombone.

The location is the last door on the right heading toward Vine from Race. It is a black door 223 1st Floor. You can park in the lot next door for $13. 00 or less.

Certainly a prime Convention Center location for the out of towner. Call first.

'bare[/QUOTE]

I went there. 1041 ridge ave

I saw chanel. She was very very good. WOW

In town on business, and needed a good rub & tug. Read the reports, and figured I would give Bella a try. Called and told girl who answered the phone need a strong massage to which she responds "we don't do that". Ok, so I figured we had a communication failure. I kept pushing is this the massage parlor, to which she finally replies "house fee $60". Ok, I'll be there in 10 minutes. I get in, and the same girl who answered the phone brings me up to the room. She is young, and I'm thinking too young to be mamasan. Nice looking girl tall with nice black hair comes in and leads me to the shower. Table shower was nice, then we go back to room. She has a pillow on the table which I move, so I can put my face in the hole on the table where it belongs. I show her my shoulders hurt, and I need a strong massage. She replies massage yes, HJ no? I said massage and yes. She walks out. Storms back in a few minutes later, and I'm laying face down. She touches my shoulder and says massage yes HJ no? I said YES & YES. She again storms out. Ok, I must be an asshole and just tired. I get up and put my clothes on, grab my $60 off the table and start for the door. She was just entering as I'm leaving. She again says massage? And I just keep walking. I get back downstairs, and young girl standing blocking the door. I go to try and push open the door, and she is trying to block it. OK, what the F. I'm no Mr. T, but no small guy either. Finally, I said open the F. Door as you don't want any trouble do you? She says, sorry, sorry and I open the door and storm out.

Maybe just a communication barrier, but WTF? Glad you other guys had a good experience here as I thought I was pretty verse at understanding the Asian community.

My guess is that you did not follow accepted protocol. If you look like LE, that's another red flag.

Your report indicates strongly that you did not follow the accepted protocol and therefore what happened to you, happened.

It's 1 hour, $160, up front, and whatever happens, happens and there is no negotiating for services. You are paying for time, not services AL-a-carte. I only knew of one place that had 30, 45 and 1 hr sessions. Two cups of coffee might have to be negotiated.

If you want 4 hands, prepare to double everything and arrange and schedule before hand and not for your first time.

[QUOTE=Spazen; 1512730]My guess is that you did not follow accepted protocol. If you look like LE, that's another red flag.

Your report indicates strongly that you did not follow the accepted protocol and therefore what happened to you, happened.

It's 1 hour, $160, up front, and whatever happens, happens and there is no negotiating for services. You are paying for time, not services AL-a-carte. I only knew of one place that had 30, 45 and 1 hr sessions. Two cups of coffee might have to be negotiated.

If you want 4 hands, prepare to double everything and arrange and schedule before hand and not for your first time.[/QUOTE]Been at this game for a long time my friend, and I know what the protocol / do's and don'ts are. What this place needs, is someone who can speak a word of English! I stand by my posting of annoyance. Good luck to you all.

[QUOTE=Cdmanoise;1513576]Been at this game for a long time my friend, and I know what the protocol / do's and don'ts are. What this place needs, is someone who can speak a word of English! I stand by my posting of annoyance. Good luck to you all.[/QUOTE]It is a FS place and the fee is $160. I don't know why they bother with the $60 quote over the phone. It is a bit confusing. You can get a light massage and a HJ only for less but they would rather do the FS for the full price.

If you are looking for a rub and tug place you'll find it in the suburbs.

[QUOTE=Cdmanoise;1513576]Been at this game for a long time my friend, and I know what the protocol / do's and don'ts are. What this place needs, is someone who can speak a word of English! I stand by my posting of annoyance. Good luck to you all.[/QUOTE]Ah, maybe I'll get bashed for being the Miss Manners in this situation, or maybe I'll take a page from the Dale Carnegie classic. But REALLY? Standing by your annoyance sure appears to be a bit of slam on spazen who tried to help. Unfortunate because if anyone knows the R&T scene it is spazen!

Not to diminish one's annoyance. Fair enough, you had a bad experience and we appreciate the post to warn others. That is why we are here! So thank you for that! I'd be pizzed too if I had the kind of experience you did.

Now all of that said, a suggestion or two. From this perspective (now the third) it appears as though the report could have had a few more details. Sure appears as thought there were a few items that might have helped others understand what actually happened. Missing items Gents looking to help made a few assumptions to fill in the blanks. Did you leave the "tip" out in plain sight as soon as you were disrobed? I wasn't sure as the report didn't mention it, so it could have gone either way. Sometimes the toughest part of posting here is getting enough detail out there.

If one is looking for purely a rub and legit massage for some ailment, then is heading to a FS type place a great idea? Hundreds legit places in the phone book will do that for you. Or look on BP. Or I bet spazen could be a good Yellow Pages...

Then again, if one is visiting Philly and has RTFT, then I am at a loss why anyone heads out to other than Fun City. Yeah, sure. No place is a 100% guarantee, but it seems the odds are much higher of a good experience with a gorgeous young girl at FC than anywhere else. I dunno. I'm just sayin'

Then an a more personal level. OK, one was looking for some help finding a place, had an unfortunate experience and posted. But ah, do you think your chances of finding future help are enhanced by getting all defensive at those that tried to help? [I]Been at this game for a long time my friend, and I know what the protocol / do's and don'ts are. [/I] That's the Dale Carnegie bit.

So. Sorry about the bad experience! Thank you again for posting the report. Hope your next time around is a better one! Good LucK!

Cdmanoise, you do make a lot of noise.

Your shoulder (s) hurt and you wanted a massage and no HJ.

Common sense would be to go to a licensed massage therapist.

You went to one of the top AMPs in Philly, that is full service.

You spoke on the phone with Tiffany, who was temporarily filling in as mamasan for Lily, the regular mamasan.

When you asked her over the phone for a hard massage, she replied "We don't do that."

She was accurate.

Still, you went there.

Tiffany normally works at Fun City, as a working girl.

She is fluent in English.

She is beautiful.

That particular day she tried to look plain, hair tight, glasses on face.

She was not interested in working that day since she had mamasan duties.

She is most proficient in the slide, BBBJ and full service.

She is pretty good at massage also.

She is one of the top 3 or 4 most popular current AMP worker in Philly.

The girl that came to see you in the room was Chanel.

She hardly speaks Englsih.

Girls work on tips.

Tips at AMPs are not for massage, but for HJ, BJ or FS.

$60 is house money. Only tips go to girls.

So if you had tipped her in advance in addition to house money, she would have stayed.

How is your ANGER MANAGEMENT?

Lily, Tiffany and York

Alas poor York, I knew him Horatio.

[QUOTE=York; 1516040]Cdmanoise, you do make a lot of noise.

Your shoulder (s) hurt and you wanted a massage and no HJ.

Common sense would be to go to a licensed massage therapist.

You went to one of the top AMPs in Philly, that is full service.

You spoke on the phone with Tiffany, who was temporarily filling in as mamasan for Lily, the regular mamasan.

When you asked her over the phone for a hard massage, she replied "We don't do that."

She was accurate.

Still, you went there.

Tiffany normally works at Fun City, as a working girl.

She is fluent in English.

She is beautiful.

That particular day she tried to look plain, hair tight, glasses on face.

She was not interested in working that day since she had mamasan duties.

She is most proficient in the slide, BBBJ and full service.

She is pretty good at massage also.

She is one of the top 3 or 4 most popular current AMP worker in Philly.

The girl that came to see you in the room was Chanel.

She hardly speaks Englsih.

Girls work on tips.

Tips at AMPs are not for massage, but for HJ, BJ or FS.

$60 is house money. Only tips go to girls.

So if you had tipped her in advance in addition to house money, she would have stayed.

How is your ANGER MANAGEMENT?

Lily, Tiffany and York[/QUOTE]My Anger Management is very well refined. Hence why when the door was blocked I maintained my composure rather than swing. Learned a long time ago in the Marine Core to evaluate before shooting unless in immediate danger.

[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love; 1515517]Ah, maybe I'll get bashed for being the Miss Manners in this situation, or maybe I'll take a page from the Dale Carnegie classic. But REALLY? Standing by your annoyance sure appears to be a bit of slam on spazen who tried to help. Unfortunate because if anyone knows the R&T scene it is spazen!

Not to diminish one's annoyance. Fair enough, you had a bad experience and we appreciate the post to warn others. That is why we are here! So thank you for that! I'd be pizzed too if I had the kind of experience you did.

Now all of that said, a suggestion or two. From this perspective (now the third) it appears as though the report could have had a few more details. Sure appears as thought there were a few items that might have helped others understand what actually happened. Missing items Gents looking to help made a few assumptions to fill in the blanks. Did you leave the "tip" out in plain sight as soon as you were disrobed? I wasn't sure as the report didn't mention it, so it could have gone either way. Sometimes the toughest part of posting here is getting enough detail out there.

If one is looking for purely a rub and legit massage for some ailment, then is heading to a FS type place a great idea? Hundreds legit places in the phone book will do that for you. Or look on BP. Or I bet spazen could be a good Yellow Pages.

Then again, if one is visiting Philly and has RTFT, then I am at a loss why anyone heads out to other than Fun City. Yeah, sure. No place is a 100% guarantee, but it seems the odds are much higher of a good experience with a gorgeous young girl at FC than anywhere else. I dunno. I'm just sayin'

Then an a more personal level. OK, one was looking for some help finding a place, had an unfortunate experience and posted. But ah, do you think your chances of finding future help are enhanced by getting all defensive at those that tried to help? [I]Been at this game for a long time my friend, and I know what the protocol / do's and don'ts are. [/I] That's the Dale Carnegie bit.

So. Sorry about the bad experience! Thank you again for posting the report. Hope your next time around is a better one! Good LucK![/QUOTE]All great points. I guess lesson learned. Next time do a bit more homework first. Having visited many cities, most are not as open FS as those in Philly I guess hence my miss set expectation. I thought I was pretty clear on the phone I needed my shoulders worked, and got caught off guard by being told "we don't do that here". In my experience, as stated above most cities don't run AMP based solely on FS expectation or wouldbe shut down in the blink of an eye. Didn't know Philly was more liberal.

I guess, better communication on both sides would have helped. Unfortunately, attendant only had an English vocabulary of 6 words (back rub yes H J no?) or we likely could have avoided any confusion. What really threw me, is they told me to place the house fee on the table. Every other AMP I have visited you pay the house fee up front upon entry and tips are discussed in the room. Holds true for Charlotte, NJ, NY, Orlando etc.

Regarding being defensive, I thought that was the polite response. Have seen many others on this board, who go off and could do with a tune up but that's just my perspective and where I come from.

[QUOTE=Spazen;1512730]It's 1 hour, $160, up front, and whatever happens, happens and there is no negotiating for services.[/quote]That's absolute nonsense, and I wish you wouldn't drop this bull on unsuspecting readers with such incredible certainty. The fee is $60 an hour, the rest is up to you and the masseuse. $160? Upfront? You got to be paid by these places to post this ridiculous bs. Nothing (other than the house fee) is due upfront. They do expect your requesting extras and tipping for them, but that doesn't mean you're obligated to request FS. What you ask for is your business (and so are the tips - discuss and agree; nothing is automatically due, to say nothing about "upfront").

That said, it is true that a lot (most?) punters go there for FS. And it's also true that massage isn't what keeps these places in business . I don't know what happened to Cdmanoise, but my guess is he's suffered a communications failure somewhere along the line. From his report I can't figure what it was. The good idea would be first to read the forum here before going in, and second (I'm going on a limb here as I'm not sure) to talk to mamasan. And if what he wanted was massage (with no extras), um..., an AMP is a very insuitable place to go. For well-done competent massage you find a licensed massage therapist. Again, from what Cdmanoise reported, it's unclear what the problem was. And it could be [i]anything[/i], but once again, there's no such thing as a "FS place" (FS being somehow obligatory - there [i]are[/i], naturally, FS places in the sense that FS is availabe, if requested) or "$160 upfront" (even if that is what takes place there a lot of times).

[quote]You are paying for time, not services[/quote]That's just more categorically stated bs. How do you know all of this, may I ask? This is absolutely not true. Come to think of it, didn't we already discuss this here? I had on multiple occasions been give a "menu" - with services, not time in it. The time is the hour (or whatever it is) you paid your house fee for, and the fee is $60.

JGgarth:

I think now Cdmanoise understands that it's different in Philly.

OK, the places I go, I know it's a FS place up front. It's illegal to pay for sex, THEREFORE negotiations for specific sex acts are NOT available. Period. Now there was ONE place that had 30 min. 45 min and 60 minute sessions and charged accordingly. No al'a'carte options. Now just suppose your the masseuse, I would assume that you would rather work at the same hourly rate and that's the premise here. Somewhere I read a thread on just that. I Philly, FS and a Table shower is expected for $1. 6 and that appears to be true expectations for both parties. Sometimes, I get pissed when it's not the full hour. There are some providers that practice,"once you have your 1 cup of coffee, out the door you go. Second cups may have to negotiated. I have known some people who have not partaken in a table shower, but it was known that they showered beforehand.

There are the rare, out the door in 30 min and the rare 2. 5 hr sessions with no extra costs involved. Then there are the double showers and the light BDSM, spanking or role-play sessions and even supplied toys by the house. You can get your hair shampooed too. Lot's of things are possible. Mamasan may bang on the door in exact 1 hour too. The second shower is usually brief and independent and not a table shower. And don't forget there is the shower from mamasan or someone else other than the provider. Occaisonally, there is a switch of providers. Sometimes you get the VIP room. Sometimes you reserve it. 90% of the time the massage sucks.

I can count on one hand the number of times I paid the house fee to the mamasan an the tip later. Occasionally, $ were not accepted until if handed directly. That exchange must be indirect for some. You know, the "white envelope thing" that's practiced by escorts, but in this case you don't have to use the envelope. Usually, the $ disappear while your undressing.

If for some reason, I can't perform do I get some money back? No. Have provider's upselled, yes. One provider did that at CH3. You bring those issues up with mamasan. If the session is short, you bring it up with mamasan and that's when I found out about the time rates.

In the non-AMP scene, I have negotiated.

There are at least two rules. 1) Don't talk about cost vs. Service (This rule can sometimes be broken depending on circumstances) 2) Only house fee can be exchanged directly (this rule can be broken as well). For a newbie (new mamasan or new provider) , those rules are mandatory.

I'm unusual, I get pleasure when others get pleasure and when I'm up to it, I give reverse massages. Occaisionally, I get, maybe I should pay you? Making a girl have an "O" feels good to me, but it wears out the provider. So, the provider, would rather not have one. Yes, I have been told to stop making me have an "O". That was unusual because all it took was a "voice command".10 was too many.

Moon Spa on Sansom advertises as "Luxurious", hardly. The place is a dump, rather dirty but delivers the goods if you don't mind a fat girl (Young was there this week). She is mid 30's and aimed to please but was so fat it was hard to be aroused. BBBJ and FS.

Fun City Asians on S. 3rd had Cindy on tap, about 30, pretty face, good rack but body is a little flabby (looks like fat after having a kid). Very pleasing to look at but too many complaints, don't suck my nipples too hard, my pussy hurts don't lick it too hard, etc. You other mongers must have worn this cute girl out. Good BBBJ and, after all the complaints, she took a good pounding in all positions like a champ. If the pussy didn't hurt before it did after.

The best experience this monger had was at the place on Ranstead, drew a very pretty early 30's gal, Lucy, hot pink bikini, pulled me by the cock back to the room after the table shower so I knew I was in for a good time. She's got a nice body and great attitude. BBBJ, no limits, went around the clock in the positions, she came with DATY and riding cowgirl. Not a clock watcher. She was the only one worth repeating. Second visit was even better, soapy full body contact starting in the table shower. She's a keeper. There were a couple of other decent looking gals there as well but Lucy is the pick of the litter.

All were K-girls. 60 for the house and 100 for the girl.

I met her. Tiffny.

She's hottie. I have excellent experince.

[QUOTE=Guy Nuoir;1527747]Moon Spa on Sansom advertises as "Luxurious", hardly.[/quote]LOL, Oh well. Not [i]really[/i] Luxurious, eh? Just like the portraits they use for their ads, not real.

[quote]The best experience this monger had was at the place on Ranstead, drew a very pretty early 30's gal,[/quote]Wow, that's very unexpected. In my experience, it's a nice place but with the older girls. Something must have changed. I got to revisit. Haven't been there in years.

[QUOTE=Spazen; 1517645]JGgarth:

I think now Cdmanoise understands that it's different in Philly.

OK, the places I go, I know it's a FS place up front. It's illegal to pay for sex, THEREFORE negotiations for specific sex acts are NOT available. Period.[/QUOTE]Just cause you say "period" doesn't make it true. I have nothing to add to what I had said earler. And once again. You posted now a whole book of legislation, all of it based apparently on your saying "period". How do you know all these things? The strangest thing is that I've known you (well, the poster by your name) for years, on this and other forums, and you usually posted good messages. What happened? Did you eat something, or have they started giving out free ones in exchange for shilling on the net? Come on.

I do have a physical medical reason that impairs thinking depending on a specific trigger.

Now with that out of the way.

There are protocols in place for a reason and they are designed for protection. Let's take the three "scenes" and a FIRST TIME visit.

Streetwalker. The essential piece of the protocol is for the girl to get in the car.

Escort. The essential piece of the protocol is to place the donation in a plain envelope in the designated area.

AMP . Place the donation on the table.

Negotiations for "specific services" can then only be attempted if you have been seen at least once by the provider except possibly with the streetwalker. Having the mamsan recognize you is not considered a "First time".

But don't go into an AMP for the first time and say: "How about an HJ for $50? Don't ask an escort "What are your charges for Greek?" on the first visit. That's the point I wanted to make. Paying for sex is illegal in MOST of the US. Paying for time and companionship isn't."First time" has a different meaning for an AMP. Recognized by the mamasan is equivalent to passing the first time test.

If the place isn't an AMP, the provider could easily say,"You payed too much". If you placed to little on the table, the answer might be "It's $160".

It's a good idea to not have a paper trail and minimize the possibility of info being recorded.

Somewhere, some place there is a document entitled something like "Rules for Mongering". I could not find it. Not sure if it is in this forum.

Add to my last comment:

Do you pay for sex? I don't. I go for a massage at an AMP. Whatever happens between consenting adults, happens.

[QUOTE=Spazen;1529719]Somewhere, some place there is a document entitled something like "Rules for Mongering". I could not find it. Not sure if it is in this forum.[/QUOTE]Yeah, if one looks in the upper left corner of every USASG page, locate the "button" labeled "Front Page". Click on that. In the far left column of that page. In the "fine" print. Locate the tag "22 Rules for Street Mongering!"

A picture is worth a thousand words.

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[QUOTE=Spazen; 1529819]Add to my last comment:

Do you pay for sex? I don't. I go for a massage at an AMP. Whatever happens between consenting adults, happens.[/QUOTE]Why are we trying so hard to play dumb? The same old " I don't pay for sex, I pay for : taking pics / massages / company / table shower, etc " do we really believe that the LEO's reading this and other forums are fooled by this? Do we really believe they don't know how things work in the oldest profession? Are we so dumb that we can believe saying this gives us plausible deniability?

Let me say this : I PAY FOR SEX AND SO DO YOU! I can go to the nearest police station and scream to the top of my lungs "I PAY FOR SEX!" and the only thing they can get me for is disorderly conduct (and making a fool of myself maybe) unless they have hard evidence of you actually paying an "x" amount of money to an "x" person to perform an"x" sex act they don't have a case and they know it, so only if they catch you in the act you need to get on the defense, keeping your mouth shut until you see a lawyer works better than saying you only paid for "x" excuse, and anything I write online in a public forum is just my personal opinion protected by the First amendment, LEO have to prove that any illegal activity actually happened, the burden of proof is on them.

Rant Off!

[QUOTE=Lemmesee; 1530722]Why are we trying so hard to play dumb? The same old " I don't pay for sex, I pay for : taking pics / massages / company / table shower, etc " do we really believe that the LEO's reading this and other forums are fooled by this? Do we really believe they don't know how things work in the oldest profession? Are we so dumb that we can believe saying this gives us plausible deniability?

Let me say this : I PAY FOR SEX AND SO DO YOU! I can go to the nearest police station and scream to the top of my lungs "I PAY FOR SEX!" and the only thing they can get me for is disorderly conduct (and making a fool of myself maybe) unless they have hard evidence of you actually paying an "x" amount of money to an "x" person to perform an"x" sex act they don't have a case and they know it, so only if they catch you in the act you need to get on the defense, [b]keeping your mouth shut until you see a lawyer[/b] Works better than saying you only paid for "x" excuse, and anything I write online in a public forum is just my personal opinion protected by the First amendment, LEO have to prove that any illegal activity actually happened, the burden of proof is on them.

Rant Off![/QUOTE]This is not a rant.

But! I would suggest that you go back and read what you wrote. (I have taken the liberty of putting in bold print that portion of your post I think you should reconsider.) In essence haven't you just admitted to committing a crime? If you were ever investigated and proven to be the person behind the user name Lemmesee, could the statement you made about paying for sex be used against you? I don't know. I am not a lawyer.

Ok! Ok! Ok! I agree! Nothing like that is likely to happen to Lemmesee. But! I'm CookyJar. I am way more visible and a much wider known target than Lemmesee. I have been doing this for more than five years, posted thousands of pictures, made hundreds of personal contacts and on the avenue I am the most visible member of the Philadelphia forum (IMHO).

To be honest, I don't know who reads / follows the USASexGuide Fourm. As you so wisely pointed out, I would be a fool to assume that local law enforcement, working in the largest red light district in the tri-state area, does not know what is going on. And! Since one out of every three girls working the avenue knows of this site and the infamous CookyJar; would not I be a fool to assume that LE has not heard of CookyJar.

I cannot read tarot cards or tell the future. Hopefully I am protected by the anonymity of my user name and the internet. But! God forbid, if I am ever stopped and harassed by LE, taken in for investigation and associated with this site, I hope that my attorney is grateful for the fact that there is no admission to a crime by me anywhere. I would hate to be standing with my lawyer in front of a judge proclaiming my innocents only to have some junior district attorney pull up on his IPad a quote by me bragging, on this website, about the commission of a crime. This would never happen to me because I don't pay for sex. That would be illegal.

Speaking only for myself, my denial is not made to anyone in particular. I am stating to anyone it may concern now or in the future, I do not pay for sex. I am not promoting prostitution. I do not pay for sex. I am an artist. I sometimes use female models. That is about all that I am willing to say on the subject.

I am not trying to fool anyone. I am trying to protect myself from the probabilities. Just as you have suggested, if I am stopped; I will keep my mouth shut knowing that I am innocent and that there is no evidence or admission of guilt anywhere.

CookyJar

[QUOTE=Spazen;1529719]I do have a physical medical reason that impairs thinking depending on a specific trigger.[/quote]Sorry to hear of this, hopefully you'll get better.

[quote]There are protocols in place for a reason and they are designed for protection. Let's take the three "scenes" and a FIRST TIME visit.

AMP. Place the donation on the table.[/QUOTE]You're legislating again, and I still have no idea where all this legislation comes from. But I'll give up at this point, cause I'd have to repeat myself ad nauseam. I'll only add that on a number of occasions, I walked in, was whisked into a room, paid [i]the house fee[/i], was given TS and massage and then asked "what else do you want"? To which I replied,"what do you have?", whereat I was given, cautiously, a menu of options with prices. No, I didn't know the provider from the past, it was our first meeting. No, I didn't put the max donation on the table (though lately it is what I do. But that doesn't make it a rule). No, no one told me, it's an hour for full rate no matter what. I never thought it's any different from visiting a restaurant: you come in; it is assumed you want to eat; you are given a menu; you're free to pick anything on it; you're given what you've ordered and left in peace to eat it. No one tells you you must order the most expensive item on the menu. Same thing here.

[QUOTE=CookyJar;1530880]In essence haven't you just admitted to committing a crime? If you were ever investigated and proven to be the person behind the user name Lemmesee, could the statement you made about paying for sex be used against you? I don't know. I am not a lawyer.[/quote]Neither am I, but: how is LMS so important that anyone would bother pulling him from behind his online nickname? And even if they did, what's to prevent him from saying, well, none of it is true, I was drunk, I was trolling, I was trying to get a rise out of CookieJar, I was trying to impress me mates there, etc. Come on. Our most important safeguard consists in being of abso-freakin-lutely no interest to anyone. Now, if we were bin Laden, that would be different! And they'd find a way to shoot us dead even if we werent massage addicts. We're mostly good cause we're a no one. Spitzer got hauled out in the sun though, cause he's a someone (who pissed a lot of people).

[QUOTE=JGgarth;1532631]… what's to prevent him from saying, well, none of it is true, I was drunk, I was trolling, I was trying to get a rise out of CookieJar, I was trying to impress me mates there, etc.[/QUOTE]Hmmm! Has this ever worked for you before? Denial after the fact. I will have to try that the next time I am in court. My bad your judgeship! I was drunk, I didn't mean it. I was only playing. Just fooling around with my buddies. (Did you forget that the reason you were pickup in the first place was because you had a known prostitute setting next to you in your car.)

In your case; pay the fine.

[QUOTE=JGgarth;1532631]…Neither am I, but: how is LMS so important that anyone would bother pulling him from behind his online nickname?[/QUOTE]I am no Lawyer. I am not LE. I have no idea why LE does what they do. I have no idea why LE might be interested in Lemmesee. I have no idea why the system chooses to go after prostitutes and their johns. But! They do! Why do they put the pictures of alleged johns in the news before they are properly charged or convicted? To humiliate them? To embarrass them? To discourage others? I don't know. I don't know why they would be after me other than the fact that my presence is so widely established. And, I don't know why they would be after Lemmesee, but, rumor has it that he is a rich businessman and former politician currently running for a major political position, hiding behind a username.

I do know that LE should not be interested in me because; I do not pay for sex. I am not a john, I'm an artist. I do not promote prostitution. I hope everyone understands that soliciting for sex is bad and illegal.

[QUOTE=JGgarth;1532631]… Now, if we were bin Laden, that would be different! And they'd find a way to shoot us dead even if we werent massage addicts. We're mostly good cause we're a no one. Spitzer got hauled out in the sun though, cause he's a someone (who pissed a lot of people).[/QUOTE]If LE monitors this site, who do you think would be the biggest blip on their radar Bin Laden, Spitzer or CookyJar? On the streets, whose name do you think the average beat cop has heard the most, Lemmesee, JGarth or CookyJar? I have two choices as I see it, stop or be careful. I choose to be careful.

I know it's my fault. I should post less. Stop posting pictures. Lower my profile. What's done is done. I totally agree with you that this is never likely to happen. But! Better safe than sorry.

CookyJar

[QUOTE=CookyJar; 1532947]If LE monitors this site, who do you think would be the biggest blip on their radar Bin Laden, Spitzer or CookyJar? On the streets, whose name do you think the average beat cop has heard the most, Lemmesee, JGarth or CookyJar? I have two choices as I see it, stop or be careful. I choose to be careful.

I know it's my fault. I should post less. Stop posting pictures. Lower my profile. What's done is done. I totally agree with you that this is never likely to happen. But! Better safe than sorry.

CookyJar[/QUOTE]Must be that LE has no interest in taking you down. Why would they? What would they accomplish? To find you would require some extra efforts beyond normal beat cop stuff. And how would that be justified for a misdemeanor ticket? As long as one isn't breaking any laws, harming any girls or dating under-aged skirt, can't see why LE would target you?

Oh sure, perhaps some Vice Cop gets a hard-on or decides he wants the feather in his cap to bag the famous CJ? Anything is possible, I guess.

But as a buddy with former LE and current court experience reminds me. If LE wants to find you, they will.

The fact that they haven't tagged you, perhaps means they have more pressing issues?

Good luck & stay safe!

I met terra.

She `s very pretty and got a nice body. Great msg. She`s very enjoyble st. I had very great time.

[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love; 1533014]....Why would they? What would they accomplish? [/Quote]

Just doing their job. It is part of their job, isn't it. (What goes down on the avenue has to be of major importance to Philadelphia Vice.)

[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love; 1533014]...To find you would require some extra efforts beyond normal beat cop stuff. And how would that be justified for a misdemeanor ticket? As long as one isn't breaking any laws, harming any girls or dating under-aged skirt, can't see why LE would target you?

Oh sure, perhaps some Vice Cop gets a hard-on or decides he wants the feather in his cap to bag the famous CJ? Anything is possible, I guess.

But as a buddy with former LE and current court experience reminds me. If LE wants to find you, they will.

The fact that they haven't tagged you, perhaps means they have more pressing issues?

Good luck & stay safe![/QUOTE]

Once again, I totally agree, it's not likely. But stranger things have happened.

I doubt if there's a picture of me hanging on bulletin boards. Does Vice have me on their radar? I don't know. I doubt if they are out actively looking for me. Am I being paranoid? Maybe. There is no harm in being safe, is there?

CookyJar

[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love; 1533014]...The fact that they haven't tagged you, perhaps means they have more pressing issues?

Good luck & stay safe![/QUOTE]If I am ever stopped during a sting or regular pickup and taken to the round house; I have to consider the possibility of being connected with this site. That was my original point.

CookyJar