Here are a couple more photos from earlier this week. Anyone know the bsw with the nice ass?
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Here are a couple more photos from earlier this week. Anyone know the bsw with the nice ass?
[QUOTE=Seek899]Here are a couple more photos from earlier this week. Anyone know the bsw with the nice ass?[/QUOTE]
Very nice Seek. Thanks for sharing.
Joe
It really depends on what she is charging and what her looks are.
What it really comes down to is supply and demand. If the demand is high ( and it was for me that night ) then the price I am willingto pay goes up.
The fact that she was a fox, and performed to my satisfaction, I don't feel ripped off. In the end it is my own satisfaction with the transaction that matters the most.
[QUOTE=Cobra Comander]Alot of us don't give a shit about this.
Cobra Comander[/QUOTE]
Well you ruin it for the rest of.us .. besides a fool and his money are soon parted.
When the "girl" is so tall, lanky, with such a very tight ass, I have to ask the question, is SHE? Few girls will give that serious a limp wrist:
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For whatever reason, trannies sometimes do a better impression of a hot chick than many chicks (What IS that about???)
Anyone know the exact gender of this eye-catcher? I would certainly want to know for sure before proceeding further! My apologies if my tranny radar is out of tune.
But, as others have said, thanks for posting these provocative pix.
Giani
[QUOTE=Seek899]Here are a couple more photos from earlier this week. Anyone know the bsw with the nice ass?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Giani]When the "girl" is so tall, lanky, with such a very tight ass, I have to ask the question, is SHE? Few girls will give that serious a limp wrist:
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=36626[/url]
For whatever reason, trannies sometimes do a better impression of a hot chick than many chicks (What IS that about???)
Anyone know the exact gender of this eye-catcher? I would certainly want to know for sure before proceeding further! My apologies if my tranny radar is out of tune.
But, as others have said, thanks for posting these provocative pix.
Giani[/QUOTE]
Dude look like a lady -- I guarantee it. Have been in the Bay Area -- DEAD, DEAD, DEAD. To your point, the TVs do a better job of looking like women than the women do.
[QUOTE=Giani] * * * Anyone know the exact gender of this eye-catcher? I would certainly want to know for sure before proceeding further! * * *
Giani[/QUOTE] She looks all woman to me but we could argue all day about it. Got any camel toe photos of her, Seek? I think I may go out and take one for the team. If I find out she's a dude, she will have some explaining to do (after she finishes up, of course).
[QUOTE=Baggerr]Well you ruin it for the rest of.us .. besides a fool and his money are soon parted.[/QUOTE] We could also argue all day about this but aren't you in Washington State? How can some mongers in San Diego ruin it up there? Is the thought that higher prices here could lead to more sw road trips to San Diego or at least to a migration of hot asian sws who think they will always get at least $60 and cut out those who usually play for less? I don't believe that but it's a thing that makes you go hmmmmm. Bottom line for me is that the man left happy and no LE was involved.
[QUOTE=Lef Grebo] * * * In the end it is my own satisfaction with the transaction that matters the most.[/QUOTE]
Amen, Brother.
This is so funny, is she a she or a he?
If you men who enjoy anal sex, with women, why not anal sex with the tv who looks like a women?
I personally do not do anal sex, period.
I know there are many men who brag about their anal sex actions with other humans.
Many sex doctors will tell you, men who have anal sex, yes you know what's next, sorry but it all true.
If you do you do.
Do you?
I don't
Would anyone be willing to help an east coast monger soon to visit with the track boundries in SD or at least tell me what ECB satnds for? B/C or post is fine, I appreciate any help you may provide, I hail from the dead market of Delaware and have an upcoming trip.
Ho malone
[QUOTE=Seek899]Here are a couple more photos from earlier this week. Anyone know the bsw with the nice ass?[/QUOTE]
WOW! I have got to visit San Diego.
When she smiled and posed for you like that you didn't pick her up or at least talk to her?!?!
ECB stands for El Cajon Blvd. It's the main ho stro' in SD. Arguably, from College Ave to Park Blvd.
Is the ECB close to downtown? I will be in town next week for some business and TJ action. Man I can't wait til TJ!!!
Google maps
$60 for a CBJ And your risking a LE sting? Why not use craigslist where you can get $60 CBj all day long and not waste the gas.. This city is really amazing. The talant is very below average and the mongers way overpay especially considering TJ is so close. In LA I would get all day long $50-$60 bbbj's w/ swallow from hot chicks. I would then collect their number and see them for years. Obviously prices are set by supply and demand. Sounds to me like there are alot of financially "unsavvy" mongers in this town. If you want to be foolish w/ your money considering all the risk...then go for it. Me. I'll kick those money grubbing bitches to the curb every single time until I find a very cool chick who needs the money and is willing to suck down the protein to get it. $60 bucks TOPS!
Ok Hizark. Are you really gonna hold out for 20 or 30 bucks if you pick up the out-of-town hoe that is hot-as-phuck??? You keep mentioning these so-called bargain biyatches that take you around the world for 30 or 40 but they are history and don't do much for the head below. You save all your dough and post practically meaningless reports about calling girls that don't answer (or phone is disconnected) and you have a ratings system that doesn't do us sh*t. Oh, also, you gripe about what others pay for extracurricular activities and that it's spoiling the curve for you.
As I said in the past, if that hoe doesn't get what she wants, she'll drive up the coast to get it or start posting on CL to get the clients with deeper pockets.
Out of curiosity, how would you rate Erica on CL (619 XXX 7017)??? What would you think would be a fair donation? What about Victoria (619 972 xxxx)?
Do us a favor and pull a few pics off CL and tell us fellow mongers if they're YOUR type of $40 BBBJ facial, etc so we know what kind of quality you're talking about when you post something since you don't want to invest in a digital image-capturing device.
[QUOTE=Hizark21]It really depends on what she is charging and what her looks are.[/QUOTE]
Cruised ECB for the first time this week on a rare visit to SD from Atlanta. Cruised up and down from Coco's past H15 for a couple of hours Wednesday and Thursday around 9pm. Compared with Atlanta ECB was crawling with SWs. And there were 2-3 each evening that were pretty cute. Didn't really notice much LE presence although there were a few. Being in unfamiliar territory I didn't partake. Just took a good look. Ended at Jolar's each evening on University which IMHO is a fun place. The girl I visited each evening was beautiful. Mile long legs, zero fat, huge boobs, totally shaved. Applies a dildo to make the whole experience more interesting. And she provided lube. For $20 this seemed like a pretty good deal especially compared to the jack shacks in Atlanta. There is a plexiglass between you and her but still alot of safe easy fun.
I'm still kicking myself for lagging on seeing Amy.
[QUOTE=Cobra Comander]I hit the Carls Jr drive thru last night at 9:45. Saw a pretty tasty looking 6 Dollar Burger on the menu board. The woman on the speaker said I could have my way with it for around $5. I countered with $3 for the burger and $2 for me to put mayo on the inside of the bun! She agreed. Parked in a secluded
spot behind Ten's! This is where the report goes downhill. Burger looked like a 8.64 on the menu board but once unwrapped was only a 7.82. Burger didn't take directions and was unwilling to please! Will not repeat!
Hopefully things will improve next week.
Let's all stick together and keep the prices down!
Tried contacting Arby's first but the number was disconnected[/QUOTE]I almost shit my pants when I read this. Too funny, couldn't stop laughing. About 90 percent of Hi21 post are this type. Like I said last year. What the hell is the difference between a 8.64 and 7.82? Stupid rating system.
SD is always way high. No one is ruining things by paying 6 or more. Any 'bargains' are myths or someone latching on to memories from the early 90's. The only thing you will ruin by paying for what you want is your clothes by getting a stain on them from lipstick or some fluids.
Is University an option? I have been asked twice to drop off a gal there. Does anyone ever score on University?
ALL OF YOU GUYS ARE SO DAMN FORTUNATE !!!!
I read your forums all the time, and you are arguing over PRICE, will be GLAD you have that argument. Here in Cincinnati, Ohio we don't even have that option anymore .... We Have a Quantity Problem and Quality Problem here Big Time. Now, ADD the Damn Cold Weather and Snow (4-5 plus inches).
The Cops have closed down everything on the street since the Summer, and the Winter weather is too damn Cold and Snowy for even the Crack Head Hoes, so Rarely do we even see a decent ho ANYWHERE.
I have seen the PIX post in your forums, and "Talk about being Jealous" ....
If I came here, you would NEVER EVER complain about S.D. or the West Coast EVER AGAIN.
IF YOU THINK YOU ARE PAYING TOO MUCH, BE GLAD YOU HAVE THAT OPTION. At least you have that OPTION. You have SW out, and you have a wide variety to choose from. The decent ones here get picked up so damn fast, or end up back in jail. And believe me they ask for more, when they can, and especially from the none regulars.
Right Now, I am "LUCKING OUT" in finding SW's out there, via going back to the old, slow ways, but that is NOT always the case.
I WOULD LOVE TO BE IN AN ARGUE OVER PRICE, for some decent SW's out there ESPECIALLY for the Good Looking Latino SW's, and I am extremely Cheap on paying for SW's. The price for decent SW's here is 30-40 on a good day, and we have few decent one, and the only choice is BSW/WSW, not LSW/ASW. But out-of-town, I know I am gonna have to pay more. Then it is up to personal choice if I will pay-per-view, at her going rate.
You have more SW's on your streets in a Week, than we do in 1-2 month's.
Especially Decent SW's.
I just wanted to say I normally PM S.D. folks, but this time I deceided to post. Didn't mean to get into the 411 of the S.D. forum, that ain't "ME", but you guys have it "MADE" compared to the rest of the USA SW Folks,
especially in the conservative EasternMidWest.
I am still a Big Fan of your Forum & Pix, and the rest of West Coast.
"WORD"
WordUp,
Screw the weather - they have TJ available and so close. Nothing beats a nice young latino!
Seek, the girls name is Naudia.
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I saw her Friday wearing a tight white dress. She charged .5 for cbj and .4 more for fs. Says that she's on CL for those who want to see her.
I admire you guys that spend a lot of time cruising for SW but the way I see it, it seems like a hit-and-miss. Hey, I'm not flaming anyone here and I believe to each his own. But I see many postings of mongers going out for looking for SW and there are none to be had. Sure, there are exceptions but this is too dangerous for my blood. First you have to make sure they are not 5-0. Then you need to make sure they are safe and not going to rob you. I admit, the excitement of getting a SW and getting a BJ in the car is one aspect but not for me. I certainly don't want to see my car on the 5 o'clock news regarding some prostitute crack down.
AMPs are more my style but they are also hit-and-miss. But once I find a good location it is nice to go back and not have to deal with the drama. I remember the good days of Sundance Spa in Escondido. Remember Sarah? Man, she was amazing and I always had a good time.
However, if you can find an independent provider that is reasonably priced then that is the best for me. I used to have a few in San Diego but many left the business. I had one for many years named Judy. Used to advertise in the Reader. For $150 I spend at least a few hours of true GFE.
I recently found one (thanks Mr. Strict) near SDSU. Real sweet, 28 year old blond. Real GFE, anything goes and no drama. Unfortunately I live in NC so the drive is a problem.
I admire you guys that cruise around finding the right SW. But hey, that is not for me...
Thank you to everyone for sharing.
Joe
Bargains are fairly rare these days, but it's not too hard to find a sw at a reasonable price. It really depends on the SW's that are in town at the time. But one never knows what girls one will find.
Wordup
Sorry to hear the action is slow in Cincinatti. I got the impression that the action was better on the east coast. One day I will have to visit the east coast and cruise.
There really not much risk so long as you take the proper precautions and know the scene.
[QUOTE=Joe Coodidge]I admire you guys that spend a lot of time cruising for SW but the way I see it, it seems like a hit-and-miss. Hey, I'm not flaming anyone here and I believe to each his own. But I see many postings of mongers going out for looking for SW and there are none to be had. Sure, there are exceptions but this is too dangerous for my blood. First you have to make sure they are not 5-0. Then you need to make sure they are safe and not going to rob you. I admit, the excitement of getting a SW and getting a BJ in the car is one aspect but not for me. I certainly don't want to see my car on the 5 o'clock news regarding some prostitute crack down.
AMPs are more my style but they are also hit-and-miss. But once I find a good location it is nice to go back and not have to deal with the drama. I remember the good days of Sundance Spa in Escondido. Remember Sarah? Man, she was amazing and I always had a good time.
However, if you can find an independent provider that is reasonably priced then that is the best for me. I used to have a few in San Diego but many left the business. I had one for many years named Judy. Used to advertise in the Reader. For $150 I spend at least a few hours of true GFE.
I recently found one (thanks Mr. Strict) near SDSU. Real sweet, 28 year old blond. Real GFE, anything goes and no drama. Unfortunately I live in NC so the drive is a problem.
I admire you guys that cruise around finding the right SW. But hey, that is not for me...
Thank you to everyone for sharing.
Joe[/QUOTE] I can only speak for myself. There's an excitement about SW mongering that I don't find in AMPs, strip clubs or motel meetings. It's the driving the track for a long time without seeing anything and then, all of a sudden, a flash of thigh and the SW strut walking by. Despite the risks, the wasted time in some cases and the physical discomfort of car dates, there's an attraction about SW hunting that's hard to explain.
[QUOTE=Fairwinds]I can only speak for myself. There's an excitement about SW mongering that I don't find in AMPs, strip clubs or motel meetings. It's the driving the track for a long time without seeing anything and then, all of a sudden, a flash of thigh and the SW strut walking by. Despite the risks, the wasted time in some cases and the physical discomfort of car dates, there's an attraction about SW hunting that's hard to explain.[/QUOTE]
I am sure it is some disease we suffer from; But seeing a hot chick walking down the street, and the ability to bang her for a few bucks without any other prerequisite is HOT ! I am with ya fairwinds.
I second that, there is something exciting about cruising and finding a hot SW. But the primary reason for SW's is price. If I could find a AMP or CL girl at a reasonable price I would. The downside is that sometimes the action gets very dry. Hopefully we will have a good year.
There is something about cruising the track. I enjoy it even if I am just on my way somewhere else and have no intention of picking a girl up at that time. Way back in the day, I would often cruise Midway just to see the action. Sometimes girl friends of mine would like to go by on the way to the beach or on the way home just to sightsee.
There have been some great Amps over the years as well; Royal on University, the great Sarah at Sundance, (although Sandy was younger/cuter) and maybe best service of all, Yumi at Wons in Northpark. All of which are long gone. I hear AMP prices are now getting a little too high for many mongers blood.
I too enjoy a relaxed Motel session with an independent girl. It is hard to find a reasonably priced independent girl these days. With CL you never know what you’re going to get. Other sites are great for knowing what to expect but are a little pricey for regular sessions.
Jessica blonde was good and reasonably priced but is also long gone. I guess I agree with Joe that a reasonably priced motel session with an independent girl is best if you can find one.
It’s like eating at a restaurant. Sometimes you want to really treat yourself to something like Donovan’s, great reliable service but expensive. Other times something like Chili’s will do, pretty good and won’t break the bank. Most of the time it’s fast food like BK, quick, cheap, and good enough to get you by.
All right, I have a problem and I need some major help. I wasn't sure if I should post this but the more I thought about it, the more I realized that there in NO better place than here to present my problem and get advice.
Here is the deal: I'm what you would call an experienced monger: in the year or so I've started doing this, I've picked up upwards of 30 girls and spent thousands of dollars. They came in all shapes and sizes: tall, short, skinny, fat, black, white, even a few Asians. They were as different as different can be, but they all shared one unmistakable trait:
they were all gold digging, heartless ******.
I say this not because I'm bitter or anything, and maybe thier lifestyle made them that way and I would have been the same if I did this for a living, but all of them were cold, callous, uncaring, and in it simply for the money....
.... except ONE girl.
If I didn't tell you outright, you wouldn't be able to guess she was a prostitute. Some of you have ran into her a few times, but due to the nature of this problem her identity will have to remain a secret. She was frankly one of the nicest, warmest, most friendly and laid back girls I've ever met in my life. She had no pimp, worked only during daytime, had a beautifull 2-year old daughter than had this cute little smile permanently etched on her face, and never once seemed to be in a rush or interested only in money. She went to an expensive trade school during the day with the money she made (I know because I would help her study and pick her up from her school), and last time I spoke to her she was starting her internship and cutting back on the street life....
..... then she cut off all contact. Granted, I was overseas for four months and our contact was sporadic at best, but it was there by email nonetheless, mostly how I was doing, how she was doing, small talk. Then the last set of emails I got from her was her asking me for $300 (she never asked for it, she told me of her money problems and I offered to help). Even though I was overseas, I really trusted this girl after seeing her so many times and knowing her character, and she seemed DESPERATE. Yet at the same time, the words "you're an idiot who's getting played by a prostitute" kept running through my head.
So I didn't send her the money.
Came back, emailed her: no response.
Text messaged her my new cell number: no response either.
Over the last three months I sent her a couple of emails just in case: nothing.
Then one day while crusing on ECB about a month ago I saw her sitting on a bus bench on ECB, she saw me drive by but I didn't stop. I figured she was a goldigger after all and wasn't talking to me because I didn't spit out the money like a fool.
Then last night I got an email under a different name: it was her and it was short: she wanted to talk to me and gave me a new phone number. It was a strange message, as she seemed like she really wanted to talk to me, and signed off as "your friend".
So today during lunch break at work I called her up: this delirious, mumbling girl picked up the phone, I barely was able to understand her saying that the girl I called for isn't there and will come back.
A minute later, my phone rang and it was her. After the brief "how are you and all that" she told me she went through a lot of **** since her last email to me and money problems, and she said she still works the streets and still goes to her internship.... and then suddenly the voice changed to that of a black guy telling me that unless I'm paying, I shouldn't be calling. I was utterly speechless the whole time and barely was able to speak. He then hung up after going through his little speech.
The entire remaining day at work I wasn't able to do anything other than to ask myself what I should have said to that guy.... I know pimps are really cowards and have major self-esteem issues, should I have threatened him? Or maybe I should have called the police afterwards? Or maybe I should have told him to book me for an appointment with the girl so I can meet her and see if I can help her....
I just don't know. I even went so far as to ask an older, trusted co-worker and he told me what I suspect most of you will tell me: stay away and mind your own business.
But I just can't. If you would have known that girl you would have realized that she wasn't the bitter, gold digging, self centered, obnoxious ***** that we see all the time. She was your next door neighbor. Hardly gorgeous or even attractive, she was a bit overweight, had dark body hair and a mustache, and was short and stocky.
But she was a good person, very sweet, and I considered her a friend, and she considered me one too.
Now I realize the folly of getting "attached" to these girls: they're still having sex for money after all. But I'm not: I don't want anything from her, hell if I can help her without ever seeing her again so much the better.
I just want your advice guys. Before telling me to mind my own business, put yourself in my position: would you leave a good person in trouble? Someone who is better inside that 90% of the people you deal with everyday? That had a beautiful daughter, had a future, and had atleast an idea where her life was going to go?
What should I do? Call the cops, go to the police directly, book an appointment with her so I can see her and ask her what I can do (even though I hate the thought of my money going to that jackass pimp of hers). If I tell the police, will SHE get in trouble? Is there a police officer out there that can look the other way to DO THE RIGHT THING and help an obviously abused girl?
Any shelters? Any help programs? ANYTHING at all I can do?
This might seem like a joke to you, or I might seem like an idiot, but this is 100% real and I don't want to make any mistakes. Think about this for a while and get back to me with what YOU would do in MY position, don't think of it as giving advice to a stranger.
Thanks for reading all this, I wish I didn't have to do this but most of you guys have been around and can help me with this problem, I believe. If you are interested to know the identity of this girl, and I know you are a veteran poster and familiar to me, PM me and I will send you her name and her description, Hizark I do believe you know her. Those that do will know why I want to help her so much.
Um, not to be cold bro, but that's way too much drama. You can't save people, they can only save themselves. My advice is not what you want to hear but stay away and move on. You may not be cut out for this.
[QUOTE=Even Flow80]All right, I have a problem and I need some major help. I wasn't sure if I should post this but the more I thought about it, the more I realized that there in NO better place than here to present my problem and get advice.
* * * [/QUOTE]
Now THIS is the stuff. Good times, Comander, good times. The only way to pursue this hobby is with balls of steel, a healthy respect for luck, a readily-released zipper, $60 in your pocket (in tens with the goal of retaining as many as you can) and a sense of perspective/humor. I give that post a 9.93. I would have ranked it higher except that now I don't know if I can eat at Carls Jr. again -- too worried about the Mayo.
That rating "system" has always bugged me. Let's all stick together and keep it simple.
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[QUOTE=Cobra Comander]I hit the Carls Jr drive thru last night at 9:45. Saw a pretty tasty looking 6 Dollar Burger on the menu board. The woman on the speaker said I could have my way with it for around $5. I countered with $3 for the burger and $2 for me to put mayo on the inside of the bun! She agreed. Parked in a secluded
spot behind Ten's! This is where the report goes downhill. Burger looked like a 8.64 on the menu board but once unwrapped was only a 7.82. Burger didn't take directions and was unwilling to please! Will not repeat!
Hopefully things will improve next week.
Let's all stick together and keep the prices down!
Tried contacting Arby's first but the number was disconnected[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Even Flow80]All right, I have a problem and I need some major help............ This might seem like a joke to you, or I might seem like an idiot, but this is 100% real and I don't want to make any mistakes. Think about this for a while and get back to me with what YOU would do in MY position, don't think of it as giving advice to a stranger.
[/QUOTE]First let me start by saying I am not judging you or your monger or people skills.
Now let's look at the person you speak of Today.
Going back to Pimps are cowards, actually there not, they are very smart, calculated, and dangerous, and the person you speak of now is basically his property, until she leaves him, she dies, or another pimp takes her over.
This girl most likely is under his control in a Jim Jones kind of way.
Psychologically she is a wreck, Most pimps begin a courtship with there girls making them feel like boyfriend girlfriend they promise the world, Most actually do a good job of managing there finances and keep them well maintained, well fed, clean, nails and hair done, clothes bought. They set-up bank accounts where the money is pooled and saved for her use as HE Deems necessary, For all this he makes a handsome living. After all he is a Manager an agent a bookkeeper a personal assistant. Most pimps fuck there girls bareback, and nut in them to mark there territory, think about that next time you D.A.T.Y., all this and the girl feels she has no reason, or option to leave. She most likely is living in a motel with him and other girls, she has lost contact with most people she knows family is distant, etc. She in essence has been isolated. You spoke of what you could do, well chances are good that she would need a place to stay, so you would have to put her up, hope she isn't using, then maintain her, girls on decent tracks who look pretty good make an average of 500 a day some Good lookers on busy tracks can make upwards of a grand, Don't get me started on Vegas.
Not only that you would have to get her some help for the trauma she has suffered, and then you have to worry about the pimp, remember that is HIS lively hood you are fucking with, I don't know about you, but if someone threatened my finances in such a manner, I would be very displeased, and violence in these situations is always an option. Don't forget in the greater LA Area, a large portion of the pimps are alleged to be hardcore gang-members, not to mention girls don't leave there pimps easily. After all this you would have to deal with her mental state, one day you could come home to find you house has been ransacked, and a large black man is waiting for you in your living room to discuss the large amounts of money you have cost him and a suitable repayment plan. After all you are still assuming she needs and/or wants your help.
LE will be no help in this matter, Why? because really no crime has been committed, Unless you would care to admit to paying the pimp to fuck his girl, but I am sure you see the repercussions this could have. Pimping is illegal, and a felony, but the evidence you would need to convince LE is very hard to come by, especially if the girl won't testify, and the normally don't. OK An anonymous call won't work either, because at best, the girl gets locked up, and chances are the guy doesn't, then he just bails her out and you wasted her time and added a criminal record to boot. Shelters are an option, but again you face her stiff resistance and his ability to sweet talk her. Not to mention you need to think of where her child is, if he has control over the kid, gonna have to be hard to separate. Most mongers would be upset that you would be removing a good girl off the street as well, but in the big picture, You won't learn until you try, my advice is simple follow your heart but be Very Very careful.
[b]Fool Me once, Shame on you. Fool me Twice, Shame on ME![/b]
Consider your options, offer assistance have a thorough plan before you see her, set up the "appointment", and act swiftly, if nothing else and you feel for the girl give her a very large donation for her services.
Brother If you need any more advice a simple P.M. is all it takes.
Good Luck || Be Safe || Have Fun.
All I can say is that people make choices in their lives; sometimes good, sometimes bad, but nonetheless, she made that choice to sign on with a pimp.
You can't and should not feel responsible for the choice(s) she made. It's a tough call, but like webcams mentioned, any action you take at this point, you're likely to be swimming in shark infested waters.
I'd say help her if you feel this strongly about her, but I hesitate on the fact that once she asked for money and you declined, she cut off contact. That's very telling.
Look, the fact that you're thinking about helping her is commendable, but remember, you can't always be everyone's hero. If you've got a family and close friends, make sure they're taken care of first.
When it comes to family bro, all bets are off.
Good luck!
[QUOTE=Even Flow80]Now I realize the folly of getting "attached" to these girls: they're still having sex for money after all. But I'm not: I don't want anything from her, hell if I can help her without ever seeing her again so much the better.
Any shelters? Any help programs? ANYTHING at all I can do?
[/QUOTE]
I feel for you Flow. A few years ago I made friends with this stripper here in San Diego. She had a young kid and danced to make ends meet. I used to buy her diapers, children's movies, and so on. I thought she was a good person. And maybe deep inside she was. But she lived a different life than mine. Her world was so different. After being with her for a while, the "child's father" came back in the picture. He was abusive. I thought I could save her but she said he should be close to his child, blah, blah, blah. She said he was trying to be better, not so abusive, and so on. Stories you hear a million times.
I guess what I'm saying that it was too much drama for me. Perhaps you really care for this girl and you got to know her better (for instance, I never got to go to my girl's house, we always met at a motel). If you are going to get involved, just be prepared. Don't just shell out money. If she needs food then buy the food. If she needs clothes buy the clothes. If she needs rent money, give the money to the landlord. Because if she has a pimp, you know that money is going to him...
Just be safe out there.
Joe
I am from Orlando forum if you let me share some thoughts.
First take it easy on yourself. I totally feel you because I have been through similar expriences to this several times. Second, collect info. Third, think THINK very well.
[QUOTE=Even Flow80]Here is the deal: I'm what you would call an experienced monger: in the year or so I've started doing this, I've picked up upwards of 30 girls and spent thousands of dollars. They came in all shapes and sizes: tall, short, skinny, fat, black, white, even a few Asians. They were as different as different can be, but they all shared one unmistakable trait:
They were all gold digging, heartless ******.
I say this not because I'm bitter or anything, and maybe thier lifestyle made them that way and I would have been the same if I did this for a living, but all of them were cold, callous, uncaring, and in it simply for the money....
.... except ONE girl. [/QUOTE]There is always good and bad.
[QUOTE=Even Flow80]If I didn't tell you outright, you wouldn't be able to guess she was a prostitute. Some of you have ran into her a few times, but due to the nature of this problem her identity will have to remain a secret. She was frankly one of the nicest, warmest, most friendly and laid back girls I've ever met in my life. She had no pimp, worked only during daytime, had a beautifull 2-year old daughter than had this cute little smile permanently etched on her face, and never once seemed to be in a rush or interested only in money. She went to an expensive trade school during the day with the money she made (I know because I would help her study and pick her up from her school), and last time I spoke to her she was starting her internship and cutting back on the street life....
..... then she cut off all contact. Granted, I was overseas for four months and our contact was sporadic at best, but it was there by email nonetheless, mostly how I was doing, how she was doing, small talk. Then the last set of emails I got from her was her asking me for $300 (she never asked for it, she told me of her money problems and I offered to help). Even though I was overseas, I really trusted this girl after seeing her so many times and knowing her character, and she seemed DESPERATE. Yet at the same time, the words "you're an idiot who's getting played by a prostitute" kept running through my head. So I didn't send her the money.[/QUOTE]Few hours can change someone(s) life and future. In these four months you do not know Where, What, When, Who and How she lived? And how far, she got involved. You might be blaming yourself and she might when you see her use this against you. DO NOT. What happened has happened. You can not change the past.
[QUOTE=Even Flow80]Came back, emailed her: no response.
Text messaged her my new cell number: no response either.
Over the last three months I sent her a couple of emails just in case: nothing.
Then one day while crusing on ECB about a month ago I saw her sitting on a bus bench on ECB, she saw me drive by but I didn't stop. I figured she was a goldigger after all and wasn't talking to me because I didn't spit out the money like a fool. [/QUOTE]That might be the case. I know it’s hard to believe it.
[QUOTE=Even Flow80]Then last night I got an email under a different name: it was her and it was short: she wanted to talk to me and gave me a new phone number. It was a strange message, as she seemed like she really wanted to talk to me, and signed off as "your friend". [/QUOTE]If she could email you she could have done it a while ago. Could not she? Let’s ignore this and gave her excuses.
[QUOTE=Even Flow80]So today during lunch break at work I called her up: this delirious, mumbling girl picked up the phone, I barely was able to understand her saying that the girl I called for isn't there and will come back.
A minute later, my phone rang and it was her. After the brief "how are you and all that" she told me she went through a lot of **** since her last email to me and money problems, and she said she still works the streets and still goes to her internship.... and then suddenly the voice changed to that of a black guy telling me that unless I'm paying, I shouldn't be calling. I was utterly speechless the whole time and barely was able to speak. He then hung up after going through his little speech. [/QUOTE]Could they have planned it? Possibly, Let’s say no and ignore this too.
Since I know with all these signs, you would still ask yourself what if I helped her? Arrange to see her but be careful. Do not promise her anything. Just try to know everything at this point. You need to know who you are dealing with. You need to know how she is involved. Does she use drugs (keep your eyes wide open)? Very likely, she is hooked on his drugs. What else is he holding against her? Is her daughter involved? After knowing all that and more. DO NOT take a decision in your meeting with her. Keep yourself in control. Investigate anonymously where she works? If she still in her internship and still attends school.
[QUOTE=Even Flow80]The entire remaining day at work I wasn't able to do anything other than to ask myself what I should have said to that guy.... I know pimps are really cowards and have major self-esteem issues, should I have threatened him? Or maybe I should have called the police afterwards? Or maybe I should have told him to book me for an appointment with the girl so I can meet her and see if I can help her.... [/QUOTE]What you did is the best. Could not have said better than Webcams
[QUOTE=Webcams]First let me start by saying I am not judging you or your monger or people skills.
Now let's look at the person you speak of Today.
Going back to Pimps are cowards, actually there not, they are very smart, calculated, and dangerous, and the person you speak of now is basically his property, until she leaves him, she dies, or another pimp takes her over.
This girl most likely is under his control in a Jim Jones kind of way.
Psychologically she is a wreck, Most pimps begin a courtship with there girls making them feel like boyfriend girlfriend they promise the world, Most actually do a good job of managing there finances and keep them well maintained, well fed, clean, nails and hair done, clothes bought. They set-up bank accounts where the money is pooled and saved for her use as HE Deems necessary, For all this he makes a handsome living. After all he is a Manager an agent a bookkeeper a personal assistant. Most pimps fuck there girls bareback, and nut in them to mark there territory, think about that next time you D.A.T.Y., all this and the girl feels she has no reason, or option to leave. She most likely is living in a motel with him and other girls, she has lost contact with most people she knows family is distant, etc. She in essence has been isolated. You spoke of what you could do, well chances are good that she would need a place to stay, so you would have to put her up, hope she isn't using, then maintain her, girls on decent tracks who look pretty good make an average of 500 a day some Good lookers on busy tracks can make upwards of a grand, Don't get me started on Vegas.
Not only that you would have to get her some help for the trauma she has suffered, and then you have to worry about the pimp, remember that is HIS lively hood you are fucking with, I don't know about you, but if someone threatened my finances in such a manner, I would be very displeased, and violence in these situations is always an option. Don't forget in the greater LA Area, a large portion of the pimps are alleged to be hardcore gang-members, not to mention girls don't leave there pimps easily. After all this you would have to deal with her mental state, one day you could come home to find you house has been ransacked, and a large black man is waiting for you in your living room to discuss the large amounts of money you have cost him and a suitable repayment plan. After all you are still assuming she needs and/or wants your help.
LE will be no help in this matter, Why? because really no crime has been committed, Unless you would care to admit to paying the pimp to fuck his girl, but I am sure you see the repercussions this could have. Pimping is illegal, and a felony, but the evidence you would need to convince LE is very hard to come by, especially if the girl won't testify, and the normally don't. OK An anonymous call won't work either, because at best, the girl gets locked up, and chances are the guy doesn't, then he just bails her out and you wasted her time and added a criminal record to boot. Shelters are an option, but again you face her stiff resistance and his ability to sweet talk her. Not to mention you need to think of where her child is, if he has control over the kid, gonna have to be hard to separate. Most mongers would be upset that you would be removing a good girl off the street as well, but in the big picture, You won't learn until you try, my advice is simple follow your heart but be Very Very careful.
[b]Fool Me once, Shame on you. Fool me Twice, Shame on ME![/b]
Consider your options, offer assistance have a thorough plan before you see her, set up the "appointment", and act swiftly, if nothing else and you feel for the girl give her a very large donation for her services.
Brother If you need any more advice a simple P.M. is all it takes.
Good Luck || Be Safe || Have Fun.[/QUOTE]There is a chance he, this pimp of hers, might show you she is his property so be prepared. He might do her in front of you.
[QUOTE=Even Flow80]I just don't know. I even went so far as to ask an older, trusted co-worker and he told me what I suspect most of you will tell me: stay away and mind your own business.
But I just can't. If you would have known that girl you would have realized that she wasn't the bitter, gold digging, self centered, obnoxious ***** that we see all the time. She was your next door neighbor. Hardly gorgeous or even attractive, she was a bit overweight, had dark body hair and a mustache, and was short and stocky.
But she was a good person, very sweet, and I considered her a friend, and she considered me one too.
Now I realize the folly of getting "attached" to these girls: they're still having sex for money after all. But I'm not: I don't want anything from her, hell if I can help her without ever seeing her again so much the better. [/QUOTE]We have feelings we are humans after all. Some of us have good control some get attached easily. I know what you mean and feel you because I have been through this. I wish I was this cold hearted but I am not.
[QUOTE=Even Flow80]I just want your advice guys. Before telling me to mind my own business, put yourself in my position: would you leave a good person in trouble? Someone who is better inside that 90% of the people you deal with everyday? That had a beautiful daughter, had a future, and had atleast an idea where her life was going to go?
What should I do? Call the cops, go to the police directly, book an appointment with her so I can see her and ask her what I can do (even though I hate the thought of my money going to that jackass pimp of hers). If I tell the police, will SHE get in trouble? Is there a police officer out there that can look the other way to DO THE RIGHT THING and help an obviously abused girl? [/QUOTE]Even if she was or is abused believe me she is making or made choices and it’s not your fault.
[QUOTE=Even Flow80] Any shelters? Any help programs? ANYTHING at all I can do?
This might seem like a joke to you, or I might seem like an idiot, but this is 100% real and I don't want to make any mistakes. Think about this for a while and get back to me with what YOU would do in MY position, don't think of it as giving advice to a stranger.
Thanks for reading all this, I wish I didn't have to do this but most of you guys have been around and can help me with this problem, I believe. If you are interested to know the identity of this girl, and I know you are a veteran poster and familiar to me, PM me and I will send you her name and her description, Hizark I do believe you know her. Those that do will know why I want to help her so much. [/QUOTE]I have offered a nice girl that I knew to take care of her totally. Of course, she called for my help and she wanted to get her life back. The whole thing started when she lost her b/f and baby so she started using drugs. She could not afford drugs so she turned to the oldest profession. Anyway to make the story short quitting drugs is almost impossible.
Read this contradiction between feelings and thoughts;
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J
It's always best to avoid getting involved in SW's personal life. The best thing to do is try and be a friend and offer some kind words of support and advice.
Just remember that most of these girls have a lot of personal problems. A few years back I knew this one SW named Denise (aka Melody) who I kept in contact with.
I too feel for you. We have all had a special feeling for a certain provider. In the end...I find that their world and their day to day culture is 180 degrees from mine (and your too probably). Bro..Don't lose sleep over it. In the end you can only lead a horse to water. Particularly w/ the pimp involved I would be very cautious. My gut is that you have too much to lose for the "slim" chance that she might be receptive to your good deeds. I would do like a previous post suggested. Just give her an extra big donation. Good luck on that one.
I've enclosed a couple pics for the mongers. One is a non pro (titties pic), second is a sexy provider that loves to swallow.
[QUOTE=Even Flow80]
I just want your advice guys.
What should I do? Call the cops, go to the police directly, book an appointment with her so I can see her and ask her what I can do (even though I hate the thought of my money going to that jackass pimp of hers). If I tell the police, will SHE get in trouble? Is there a police officer out there that can look the other way to DO THE RIGHT THING and help an obviously abused girl?
Any shelters? Any help programs? ANYTHING at all I can do?
[/QUOTE]Dear EvenFlow,
I usually only lurk in here to see the latest info on SWs in the area.
However, after seeing your heartfelt post it made me feel a lot of empathy for you. I have been in a couple of similar situations although the attachments I made were never quite as deep as the one you have for this girl. However, they ALWAYS ended up the same way, the girl simply saw me as a way to get easy cash.
The bottom line is that I agree with the rest of the guys here that it is best to detach yourself from her because as much as you would like to help her she is probably a lost cause. She lives in a totally different world than you and you are probably just a very miniscule part of it even though to you it may seem like you are a larger part of her life than what is reality.
From my experience I would say that these girls are always completely mentally screwed up with lots of self-created problems and when they start asking you for money that is a bad sign and the bottom line is that she probably doesn't give a shit about you but is simply seeing you as a means to get money. She lives in a world where she cannot care for anyone, unfortunately she can't truly even care for herself. Drugs may even be involved.
I would suggest completely forgetting about this girl but if you really feel you must continue to see her and help her your best bet is to continue seeing her as a paying customer and enjoy your time together. Be nice to her, treat her well. Enjoy it for what it is: a business transaction between two people. Don't even bother to think about where the money is going, the bottom line is she is getting money and that is what she wants/needs. But always be careful to remain detached as much as possible.
Only if she starts asking you for REAL help where there is no money involved at all and you think she is truly trying to get herself out of the hole she is in, only then would I think she might be reciprocating some of the feelings you may have for her as a friend and a person worth truly helping out. However she needs to want to get herself out of the situation she is in all on her own, you can't force her. Be aware that the odds of this are extremely unlikely and you should not fool yourself into thinking otherwise.
I just hope you don't end up learning a lesson the hard way!
Anyway, that is my two cents.
Dirty Dog