Grand Rapids Pugilistic Society

[QUOTE=JMaul;5686047]Thanks for moving the remarks to the proper board. The original remarks are stupid AF, sorry Gene.

It's money first, no one is doing this for free.

Many providers deal with a wide spectrum of clients, better looking than Gene would give you credit for and then the other, well, not attractive.

Being a gentleman and being freshly showered both go a long way. Even then a provider may have a clear set of rules and doesn't stray.

This started I think with Summer at ToP, who knows why she allows what she does but FFS it has nothing to do with the person not being attractive or not. I am sure the services offered vary between clients has less to do about pure looks and more to do with cleanliness, chemistry and of course money.

Every hobbyist who reads should know that being a dirt bag asshole won't get you far with any provider, at least not the kind who are reputable. Even then it may just be a single visit, but in the end money always talks..[/QUOTE]Wow. That escalated stupidly. Reading is definitely a lost art. My post was simply in response to a member why a provider would pass on oral favors, when mongers would jump at the chance.

Not every monger looks like the Quasimodo (google it). But the level of delusion about the age and appearance of the median level monger is stunning. The median age and weight and appearance of mongers is below average. Cold hard facts. And no one here is as young and cute as Summer is. And now all the George Clooney clones out there are telling me I'm wrong. Sorry JM. I'm not wrong. Not all are hideous but none are gorgeous. Sorry to interject facts into your fantasy.

But hey. At least it took your rants away from passwords.

Peace to all you handsome mongers out there.

I'm right there with you.

Gorgeous G2.

[QUOTE=Gene2;5686442]Wow. That escalated stupidly. Reading is definitely a lost art. My post was simply in response to a member why a provider would pass on oral favors, when mongers would jump at the chance.

Not every monger looks like the Quasimodo (google it). But the level of delusion about the age and appearance of the median level monger is stunning. The median age and weight and appearance of mongers is below average. Cold hard facts. And no one here is as young and cute as Summer is. And now all the George Clooney clones out there are telling me I'm wrong. Sorry JM. I'm not wrong. Not all are hideous but none are gorgeous. Sorry to interject facts into your fantasy.

But hey. At least it took your rants away from passwords.

Peace to all you handsome mongers out there..[/QUOTE]I agree with Charlie, some mongers are married or see ****** for reasons other than they are fat and ugly. You're such a condescending dick!

[QUOTE=Gene2;5686442]Wow. That escalated stupidly. Reading is definitely a lost art. My post was simply in response to a member why a provider would pass on oral favors, when mongers would jump at the chance.

Not every monger looks like the Quasimodo (google it). But the level of delusion about the age and appearance of the median level monger is stunning. The median age and weight and appearance of mongers is below average. Cold hard facts. And no one here is as young and cute as Summer is. And now all the George Clooney clones out there are telling me I'm wrong. Sorry JM. I'm not wrong. Not all are hideous but none are gorgeous. Sorry to interject facts into your fantasy.

But hey. At least it took your rants away from passwords.

Peace to all you handsome mongers out there.

I'm right there with you.

Gorgeous G2.[/QUOTE]Hey Gene. WTF? I didn't realize you got your PhDickhead in monger appearance of the 21st century. How many male bodies and dicks did you need to look at for your dissertation?

Fuck dude you're totally missing the point.

Providers have boundaries on what they offer, some of it or none of it is based on looks of a client. I've met numerous clients who don't do certain things because of a BF, because of kids, because of safety, because they don't enjoy it, etc.

But in your mind it's all because I don't look like Brad Pitt.

If it helps you sleep better at night thinking every client is ugly AF go right ahead. I'll echo the condescending remarks, apparently you know way more about the hobby and what everyone looks like. Shit I guess I'm some ugly overweight prick who is paying women for their attention. That's 100% the reason why Summer has a limited menu.

I'm not even mad, seriously I'm laughing my ass off at some of the stuff you say. If the Iron Throne had been made of dicks instead of swords I think you would have every right to challenge Benz for the kingdom.

[QUOTE=Blackfire;5687221]I agree with Charlie, some mongers are married or see ****** for reasons other than they are fat and ugly. You're such a condescending dick![/QUOTE]Please accept my sincere apology. You are indeed a handsome man. I was so wrong.

I just hope my offending comments don't make you stop adding so much to this forum. We would be lost without all the reviews you provide.

Oh wait, you provide nothing.

Peace Adonis.

G2.

[QUOTE=Gene2;5687422]Please accept my sincere apology. You are indeed a handsome man. I was so wrong.

I just hope my offending comments don't make you stop adding so much to this forum. We would be lost without all the reviews you provide.

Oh wait, you provide nothing.

Peace Adonis.

G2.[/QUOTE]Ok. Let's all agree. Mongers are: Old, Fat, Ugly, Married guys. Some of you are just less ugly than the rest of us. It still doesn't make you pretty. Just a little less hideous. Mongering alone makes you hideous to most women regardless of the other attributes you believe you have. Good for you, now move on.

[QUOTE=DarkGrey;5688133]Ok. Let's all agree. Mongers are: Old, Fat, Ugly, Married guys. Some of you are just less ugly than the rest of us. It still doesn't make you pretty. Just a little less hideous. Mongering alone makes you hideous to most women regardless of the other attributes you believe you have. Good for you, now move on.[/QUOTE]This assessment is dead on IMO. It certainly describes me. Also in over a decade of MP visits when I see another customer coming or going this is always exactly what they look like.

A few of you gentlemen seem to have a little bit of an insecurity about your looks or the fact that you rent sex from women. Perhaps some counselling would be better than the self loathing posts on a discussion board.

[QUOTE=Blackfire;5688318]A few of you gentlemen seem to have a little bit of an insecurity about your looks or the fact that you rent sex from women. Perhaps some counselling would be better than the self loathing posts on a discussion board.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with you. While I may not be single, I am far from fat, ugly, and old. Honestly, I never had a problem picking up a woman at a bar and even had a mistress 10 years younger than me that I met through work that would fly to Michigan from long Island just to spend a day or two with me every few months. I just find it easier in my present relationship to set up a pay for play date rather than go to a bar and chase a woman and deal with all the drama and extras just to have the occasional fun on the side. No self loathing or therapy needed here.

[QUOTE=Blackfire;5688318]A few of you gentlemen seem to have a little bit of an insecurity about your looks or the fact that you rent sex from women. Perhaps some counselling would be better than the self loathing posts on a discussion board.[/QUOTE]Nope, just honesty. At least I still have my magnetic personality.

[QUOTE=Monger01;5688875]Nope, just honesty. At least I still have my magnetic personality.[/QUOTE]And it's all in comparison to the provider. My comments were only about someone seeing Summer at Top. She's been described by many here as the hottest provider looks and youth wise. And based only on my limited viewing of mongers leaving before me or entering after me, we are not in our 20's like she is. And are not extremely fit like she is. Every post about her says the photos are accurate.

Now. If we change the provider, my comments don't fit. I don't wish to have any providers mad at me. But A year ago, I did see one nut job for a massage that gave me pause. Strange setting. Old. Nice soft touch. But she had on granny panties that were loose around her ass. And she's odd. Lashes out on this forum. Now even I felt overly qualified for that visit.

I'm ok with my assessment of my own looks, age, and personality (with providers I am much more respectful than I am with you shitbirds here). I just think it's worth noting that 99% of us are not the male counterparts to a woman like Summer. Looks wise.

G2.

It's not in the definitions and too short to search. What is SS? Thanks for your patience.

[QUOTE=Rallytoo;5689373]It's not in the definitions and too short to search. What is SS? Thanks for your patience.[/QUOTE]Short stay.

Any provider who screens their clients based upon looks or race is completely unprofessional. This isn't The Bachelorette, we're here to make a buck.

A girl who thinks she's too good for you based upon your looks isn't worthy of your time or your money. Any girl who is comparing herself to you and charging you more because she thinks she's out of your league, is not worthy of your time or money.

Hygiene is important but not all guys have time to freshen up. This is where, as a provider, you clean up the offending odor and do your job.

You are a prostitute, bodily fluids and smells are part of the game.

Stop being bougie. Treat these guys who provide for you with some care and respect instead of judgment.

You are a man and deserve to be treated like one!

[QUOTE=JMaul;5679158]I'm glad someone is entertained LOL. Most people on these boards keep saying STAAHHHP and keep reading and complaining.

It's too bad he's welcome there. You're extremely sexy and I'm sure a session with you would still be fun but fuuuuck that. I've had a great time in the hobby with providers who have no affiliation with King Douchey Poochy. The last thing I'd want is to see his bum ass solicitating around your shop when I come in to have an appointment. He'd probably ask who each client is and go out to their car to scope a license plate or take some of his infamous pictures. I'm sure it's all for his collection though, he'd NEVER use that against someone wink wink.

Maybe it was the endless remarks of coffee, beans, and chocolate bark. Or maybe it was the lack of reviews of your place. I can only take so many "it's so awesome there but I'm not telling you how much it costs or what it's like. ".

It's crazy though, your first post in over two years is defending the man, the myth, and the ass who thinks he's a legend.

Maybe he's bringing money to your place, I heard he's not great at paying full price, if at all. But it's your choice to endorse whomever you want, just it's like my choice to stay the hell away.

In case you were wondering, I value my safety much more than my money these days. So in a way I'm thankful that you publicly shared your appreciation to him so I can stay the fuck out of Plainfield. Already it was unsafe to me, but you delivered the final nail in the Serenity coffin for this monger.

Best of luck, and seriously stay safe![/QUOTE]This, in a nut shell, is why no one respects this jealous douche bag. A hot girl likes Benz and his hate for Benz is so much that he won't see a hot provider because she doesn't agree with his ridiculous, juvenile hatred for the guy that has everything he wishes for. Talk about pathetic! Holy Toledo, what a sad, sad, jealous soul. And once again, the facts disprove his bullshit. Hahaha! What a tool bag. Hard to tell who's the squad leader, him or the wannabe DJ bicycle rider. They both are so jealous they just can't stand it, and then girls come in and back Benz up. It's hilarious!

Happy Holidays.

[QUOTE=HornyFlyer;5702045]This, in a nut shell, is why no one respects this jealous douche bag. A hot girl likes Benz and his hate for Benz is so much that he won't see a hot provider because she doesn't agree with his ridiculous, juvenile hatred for the guy that has everything he wishes for. Talk about pathetic! Holy Toledo, what a sad, sad, jealous soul. And once again, the facts disprove his bullshit. Hahaha! What a tool bag. Hard to tell who's the squad leader, him or the wannabe DJ bicycle rider. They both are so jealous they just can't stand it, and then girls come in and back Benz up. It's hilarious!

Happy Holidays.[/QUOTE]So your dum ass speaks for all? Don't think so douche, go back to that hole where your letting other dudes bang your ole lady, and talk for your pathetic self.

What a fuking tool you are.

[QUOTE=HornyFlyer;5702045]This, in a nut shell, is why no one respects this jealous douche bag. A hot girl likes Benz and his hate for Benz is so much that he won't see a hot provider because she doesn't agree with his ridiculous, juvenile hatred for the guy that has everything he wishes for. Talk about pathetic! Holy Toledo, what a sad, sad, jealous soul. And once again, the facts disprove his bullshit. Hahaha! What a tool bag. Hard to tell who's the squad leader, him or the wannabe DJ bicycle rider. They both are so jealous they just can't stand it, and then girls come in and back Benz up. It's hilarious!.[/QUOTE]Geez HF, you write like Benz. Or maybe kissing ass in the figurative sense is your thing. Not sure how far back you had to find this post to write a response so while I was going to let this idle out I can't stay quiet too much longer.

Fuck Hayley. She's hot yes, and has some odd kinks on the table. By all means go and fuck whatever hot stuff you find at their parlor. Plainfield never treated me well anyway. Call me just a wee bit suspicious when she comes out after 2 years of no posts to endorse King Kreep of the Fuckhead Retards Enjoying Nasty puZzay.

Like I said before, if anything my rants have kept those your worship as Benz off the boards with his constant praise of meat that even Taco Bell wouldn't serve.

I do feel bad for these women and how he handles them. Finds the weak to prey on. Exerts his so called power and influence to manipulate them. Where I come from he's a poor man's Harvey Weinstein. We all know what happened to that turd.

Some of these women might be able to straighten out if they didn't have him preying on them. And you are no better for supporting what he does, fuck that, fuck him, fuck you too.

Benz even comes out to advise people how to get the best deals and talk women down. I had providers texting me laughing at that little "game" of his because all legit and reliable providers have posted rates and don't screw around with lowball lowlife fucks like him.

No jealousy. My mission is to give awareness to all of you who've read this far some truth into the lies of our most senior poster. I haven't met a single provider that Benz can claim he found that was worth a second visit. Just look at his litany of reviews making up the bottom rung of the hobby.

I can agree with you on one thing. Happy holidays! But after that politely go fuck off LOL.

[quote=jmaul;5702793]geez hf, you write like benz. Or maybe kissing ass in the figurative sense is your thing. Not sure how far back you had to find this post to write a response so while i was going to let this idle out i can't stay quiet too much longer.

Fuck hayley. She's hot yes, and has some odd kinks on the table. By all means go and fuck whatever hot stuff you find at their parlor. Plainfield never treated me well anyway. Call me just a wee bit suspicious when she comes out after 2 years of no posts to endorse king kreep of the fuckhead retards enjoying nasty puzzay.

Like i said before, if anything my rants have kept those your worship as benz off the boards with his constant praise of meat that even taco bell wouldn't serve.

I do feel bad for these women and how he handles them. Finds the weak to prey on. Exerts his so called power and influence to manipulate them. Where i come from he's a poor man's harvey weinstein. We all know what happened to that turd.

Some of these women might be able to straighten out if they didn't have him preying on them. And you are no better for supporting what he does, fuck that, fuck him, fuck you too.

Benz even comes out to advise people how to get the best deals and talk women down. I had providers texting me laughing at that little "game" of his because all legit and reliable providers have posted rates and don't screw around with lowball lowlife fucks like him.

No jealousy. My mission is to give awareness to all of you who've read this far some truth into the lies of our most senior poster. I haven't met a single provider that benz can claim he found that was worth a second visit. Just look at his litany of reviews making up the bottom rung of the hobby.

I can agree with you on one thing. Happy holidays! But after that politely go fuck off lol.[/quote]ahahahaha! Hee hee hee!

Happy New Year. I thought I'd start out the year with a rant-like question. Will someone explain what the allure is of the massage parlor experience? Most reports sound like my high school dating experience: it involves a half-ass massage to get someone in the mood, followed by some awkward fondling of boobs and ass, having a hand slapped away from roaming too close to the V, and finally a little more convincing just to get a mechanical hand job. It's just lot more expensive than the cost of a movie and popcorn back in the day. What I am missing?

I'm not looking to start a thread where we pile on the parlor enthusiasts, but I posted here because I can see it inevitably turning into that. I'd like to hear a proponents perspective and especially if they can address some of my criticism or bias in my thinking:

1. The whole world knows what's happening at these parlors, so aren't you afraid of having someone recognize you or your vehicle there? If I'm seen driving to a hotel or some random private residence for my hobby I have a chance of making an excuse why I'm there. How does one visit a place discreetly?

2. A parlor seems like the riskiest place to go outside of a brothel in terms of LEO. Perhaps this is too cliche but I envision at any moment an overzealous DA wanting to "clean up" the community will target parlors and their patrons. All it takes is suspicion of prostitution (which is all of them), recording your license plate and time of your visit and you could get a detective knocking at your door during your family dinner time to "ask you some questions" about the place. Worst case is some trumped up charges of human trafficking to make the news, the best case is having to explain to the wife why cops are asking you about a rub & tug. Either way it's an easy deterrent operation that can happen anytime.

3. Why aren't parlor operators scrutinized as pimps and shunned by this reporting community? The irony that one prominent provider who criticized UTR "handlers" on this thread but recently joined a parlor which advertises for her, probably books for her and takes a direct cut with door fees isn't lost on me. Why not see and encourage independents like a lot of reports in the escort section?

4. Why not see an escort and eliminate the guess work? You are paying for time either way, so why spend half of it on your stomach squishing an erection? Maximum your fun time, full service or not.

5. If you answer "because I like a good massage" be prepared for me to laugh in your face. Unless you are giving out parlor gift certificates to your wife or mother I'd have a hard time believing you are getting a legitimate, quality massage. My perception of parlor demographics are 100% female workers servicing 99% male clients. I imagine the female clients are one time visitors who left disappointed after thinking they might replicate the spa treatment they got on their holiday cruise ship. Am I wrong?

It should be obvious that I've never visited a parlor so my opinions on this topic are admittedly worthless. But see as it's the new year I'll let someone enlighten me on the glorious benefits as why I should try it.

I can only speak for myself. Aside from certain parlors that are generally well known for their services and not often reviewed here, many are not FS. Also most of the non FS parlors, at least the ones I've been to, offer a good massage and a level of eroticism and pseudo intimacy that I have never found with an escort. The excitement and anticipation that these ladies are able to bring about is far more fun for me than the P and D then GTFO that most STG girls provide. Also the level of safety and discretion is usually far better than the dumpy hotels.

Feel free to PM me with specific questions or just post here.

ST.

[QUOTE=PrivateParts;5704933]Happy New Year. I thought I'd start out the year with a rant-like question. Will someone explain what the allure is of the massage parlor experience? Most reports sound like my high school dating experience: it involves a half-ass massage to get someone in the mood, followed by some awkward fondling of boobs and ass, having a hand slapped away from roaming too close to the V, and finally a little more convincing just to get a mechanical hand job. It's just lot more expensive than the cost of a movie and popcorn back in the day. What I am missing?

I'm not looking to start a thread where we pile on the parlor enthusiasts, but I posted here because I can see it inevitably turning into that. I'd like to hear a proponents perspective and especially if they can address some of my criticism or bias in my thinking:

1. The whole world knows what's happening at these parlors, so aren't you afraid of having someone recognize you or your vehicle there? If I'm seen driving to a hotel or some random private residence for my hobby I have a chance of making an excuse why I'm there. How does one visit a place discreetly?

2. A parlor seems like the riskiest place to go outside of a brothel in terms of LEO. Perhaps this is too cliche but I envision at any moment an overzealous DA wanting to "clean up" the community will target parlors and their patrons. All it takes is suspicion of prostitution (which is all of them), recording your license plate and time of your visit and you could get a detective knocking at your door during your family dinner time to "ask you some questions" about the place. Worst case is some trumped up charges of human trafficking to make the news, the best case is having to explain to the wife why cops are asking you about a rub & tug. Either way it's an easy deterrent operation that can happen anytime.

3. Why aren't parlor operators scrutinized as pimps and shunned by this reporting community? The irony that one prominent provider who criticized UTR "handlers" on this thread but recently joined a parlor which advertises for her, probably books for her and takes a direct cut with door fees isn't lost on me. Why not see and encourage independents like a lot of reports in the escort section?

4. Why not see an escort and eliminate the guess work? You are paying for time either way, so why spend half of it on your stomach squishing an erection? Maximum your fun time, full service or not.

5. If you answer "because I like a good massage" be prepared for me to laugh in your face. Unless you are giving out parlor gift certificates to your wife or mother I'd have a hard time believing you are getting a legitimate, quality massage. My perception of parlor demographics are 100% female workers servicing 99% male clients. I imagine the female clients are one time visitors who left disappointed after thinking they might replicate the spa treatment they got on their holiday cruise ship. Am I wrong?

It should be obvious that I've never visited a parlor so my opinions on this topic are admittedly worthless. But see as it's the new year I'll let someone enlighten me on the glorious benefits as why I should try it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PrivateParts;5704933]Happy New Year. I thought I'd start out the year with a rant-like question. Will someone explain what the allure is of the massage parlor experience? Most reports sound like my high school dating experience: it involves a half-ass massage to get someone in the mood, followed by some awkward fondling of boobs and ass, having a hand slapped away from roaming too close to the V, and finally a little more convincing just to get a mechanical hand job. It's just lot more expensive than the cost of a movie and popcorn back in the day. What I am missing?

I'm not looking to start a thread where we pile on the parlor enthusiasts, but I posted here because I can see it inevitably turning into that. I'd like to hear a proponents perspective and especially if they can address some of my criticism or bias in my thinking:

1. The whole world knows what's happening at these parlors, so aren't you afraid of having someone recognize you or your vehicle there? If I'm seen driving to a hotel or some random private residence for my hobby I have a chance of making an excuse why I'm there. How does one visit a place discreetly?

2. A parlor seems like the riskiest place to go outside of a brothel in terms of LEO. Perhaps this is too cliche but I envision at any moment an overzealous DA wanting to "clean up" the community will target parlors and their patrons. All it takes is suspicion of prostitution (which is all of them), recording your license plate and time of your visit and you could get a detective knocking at your door during your family dinner time to "ask you some questions" about the place. Worst case is some trumped up charges of human trafficking to make the news, the best case is having to explain to the wife why cops are asking you about a rub & tug. Either way it's an easy deterrent operation that can happen anytime.

3. Why aren't parlor operators scrutinized as pimps and shunned by this reporting community? The irony that one prominent provider who criticized UTR "handlers" on this thread but recently joined a parlor which advertises for her, probably books for her and takes a direct cut with door fees isn't lost on me. Why not see and encourage independents like a lot of reports in the escort section?[/QUOTE]Many of the parlors give a B / B+ massage, good amount of teasing, and out the door for 120-150 total. Better than 1/2 or SS with unreliable escort, and you never have to worry about handlers hiding somewhere. As far as plausible deniability. You were just getting a massage- not meeting up at a hotel where you need to make an excuse. Granted- depending where the spa is, and the obviousness of the place matters, but I feel its way safer, predictable, and offers more variety.

[QUOTE=StripperTipper;5705062]I can only speak for myself. Aside from certain parlors that are generally well known for their services and not often reviewed here, many are not FS. Also most of the non FS parlors, at least the ones I've been to, offer a good massage and a level of eroticism and pseudo intimacy that I have never found with an escort. The excitement and anticipation that these ladies are able to bring about is far more fun for me than the P and D then GTFO that most STG girls provide. Also the level of safety and discretion is usually far better than the dumpy hotels.

Feel free to PM me with specific questions or just post here.

ST.[/QUOTE]I enjoy the AMP's. I typically hit ones that are not directly in my back yard, but sometimes will. I like them in particular because the girls are business with exotic eroticism. As to the quality of the rub, I think the AMP's seem to be better. I tell the girls to feel free and hurt me with a hard rub. The "flip" finish is the icing on the cake for me. If the girl does well while you are on your stomach, the soft tantalizing tease and finish (however a person enjoys) is great for me. Myself, I don't look for FS. The costs can rack up in a hurry. A half hour or hour with a good massage giver (and there have been some great ones) changes my day. A fling with a girl during the day is not nearly the same for me. That being said, there are some girls that are amazing and are day changers also. Their availability may be questionable or the cost is higher than what I am interested in spending. 40 for a hhr, 40 tip for an enjoyable HE. Who knows exactly where our dollars are best spent. Probably best spent on AAPL or QQQ. LOL. Enjoy. Sandy.

[QUOTE=PrivateParts;5704933]Happy New Year. I thought I'd start out the year with a rant-like question. Will someone explain what the allure is of the massage parlor experience? Most reports sound like my high school dating experience: it involves a half-ass massage to get someone in the mood, followed by some awkward fondling of boobs and ass, having a hand slapped away from roaming too close to the V, and finally a little more convincing just to get a mechanical hand job. It's just lot more expensive than the cost of a movie and popcorn back in the day. What I am missing?

I'm not looking to start a thread where we pile on the parlor enthusiasts, but I posted here because I can see it inevitably turning into that. I'd like to hear a proponents perspective and especially if they can address some of my criticism or bias in my thinking:

1. The whole world knows what's happening at these parlors, so aren't you afraid of having someone recognize you or your vehicle there? If I'm seen driving to a hotel or some random private residence for my hobby I have a chance of making an excuse why I'm there. How does one visit a place discreetly?

2. A parlor seems like the riskiest place to go outside of a brothel in terms of LEO. Perhaps this is too cliche but I envision at any moment an overzealous DA wanting to "clean up" the community will target parlors and their patrons. All it takes is suspicion of prostitution (which is all of them), recording your license plate and time of your visit and you could get a detective knocking at your door during your family dinner time to "ask you some questions" about the place. Worst case is some trumped up charges of human trafficking to make the news, the best case is having to explain to the wife why cops are asking you about a rub & tug. Either way it's an easy deterrent operation that can happen anytime.

3. Why aren't parlor operators scrutinized as pimps and shunned by this reporting community? The irony that one prominent provider who criticized UTR "handlers" on this thread but recently joined a parlor which advertises for her, probably books for her and takes a direct cut with door fees isn't lost on me. Why not see and encourage independents like a lot of reports in the escort section?

4. Why not see an escort and eliminate the guess work? You are paying for time either way, so why spend half of it on your stomach squishing an erection? Maximum your fun time, full service or not.

5. If you answer "because I like a good massage" be prepared for me to laugh in your face. Unless you are giving out parlor gift certificates to your wife or mother I'd have a hard time believing you are getting a legitimate, quality massage. My perception of parlor demographics are 100% female workers servicing 99% male clients. I imagine the female clients are one time visitors who left disappointed after thinking they might replicate the spa treatment they got on their holiday cruise ship. Am I wrong?

It should be obvious that I've never visited a parlor so my opinions on this topic are admittedly worthless. But see as it's the new year I'll let someone enlighten me on the glorious benefits as why I should try it.[/QUOTE]The loyalists will never dare to answer your pimping question truthfully because Brit will cut them off or cut something off.

As for the risk Hotel vs. Parlor. Parlors are safer for two reasons.

1. You don't always need an appointment, those mongers without hobby phones can walk in and out without a trace back to the wife. Parking is great at some parlors. I park at Planet fitness and walk across the parking lot behind other buildings and sneak in the front door with very limited visibility. No worries about LE tracking my plate. Tracking plates has already been done at most GR parlors by Calvin College students, turned into police and tossed out due to lack of probable cause for the surveillance by a citizen or something like that


2. No worries about somebody robbing you at gun point. I know one of our members that was robbed on two different occasions in hotel rooms and refuses to seek any service out side of a parlor.

Do you get a real massage, I rarely get a good massage from a rub and tug unless I train them on what I like first. If they are trainable, it takes the first 20 minutes for training and the rest can be for me. It's not always possible to train them, 90% of the rub and tug girls don't give a fuck. I quit trying to train them a long time ago and focus on the few that care. Those that do care about the massage can do women too very successfully.

My experience is not as good as NoseJellys. However we have both found the best and most awesome masseuse that gives great massage and great head with swallow. I know nobody wants to know her name because she's mature and average looking with great tits. Not the beauty queen you're looking for. Private Parts, laugh if you want to but I am in search of the unicorn that has both talents and does not have to have a rock and body or looks.

The parlor game is everything you think it is, straight out of the Junior High playbook and that's probably why some of them post like their still in Junior High.

You're right about skip all the games, take out the guess work and see a hooker. That's what I do most of the time, when I need a real massage, I know where to go.

I've given my wife massage gift certificates and she never went. She would rather get her massage at home on my massage table and fall asleep there rather than go out. You're probably right about everyone else. I tried getting my wife interested and she's not.
Private Parts hasn't been to a massage parlor but knows enough to stay away. Good for you P.P. keep it that way. Hope you have a great New Year.

[QUOTE=PrivateParts;5704933]Happy New Year. I thought I'd start out the year with a rant-like question. Will someone explain what the allure is of the massage parlor experience? Most reports sound like my high school dating experience: it involves a half-ass massage to get someone in the mood, followed by some awkward fondling of boobs and ass, having a hand slapped away from roaming too close to the V, and finally a little more convincing just to get a mechanical hand job. It's just lot more expensive than the cost of a movie and popcorn back in the day. What I am missing?

I'm not looking to start a thread where we pile on the parlor enthusiasts, but I posted here because I can see it inevitably turning into that. I'd like to hear a proponents perspective and especially if they can address some of my criticism or bias in my thinking:

1. The whole world knows what's happening at these parlors, so aren't you afraid of having someone recognize you or your vehicle there? If I'm seen driving to a hotel or some random private residence for my hobby I have a chance of making an excuse why I'm there. How does one visit a place discreetly?

2. A parlor seems like the riskiest place to go outside of a brothel in terms of LEO. Perhaps this is too cliche but I envision at any moment an overzealous DA wanting to "clean up" the community will target parlors and their patrons. All it takes is suspicion of prostitution (which is all of them), recording your license plate and time of your visit and you could get a detective knocking at your door during your family dinner time to "ask you some questions" about the place. Worst case is some trumped up charges of human trafficking to make the news, the best case is having to explain to the wife why cops are asking you about a rub & tug. Either way it's an easy deterrent operation that can happen anytime.

3. Why aren't parlor operators scrutinized as pimps and shunned by this reporting community? The irony that one prominent provider who criticized UTR "handlers" on this thread but recently joined a parlor which advertises for her, probably books for her and takes a direct cut with door fees isn't lost on me. Why not see and encourage independents like a lot of reports in the escort section?

4. Why not see an escort and eliminate the guess work? You are paying for time either way, so why spend half of it on your stomach squishing an erection? Maximum your fun time, full service or not.

5. If you answer "because I like a good massage" be prepared for me to laugh in your face. Unless you are giving out parlor gift certificates to your wife or mother I'd have a hard time believing you are getting a legitimate, quality massage. My perception of parlor demographics are 100% female workers servicing 99% male clients. I imagine the female clients are one time visitors who left disappointed after thinking they might replicate the spa treatment they got on their holiday cruise ship. Am I wrong?

It should be obvious that I've never visited a parlor so my opinions on this topic are admittedly worthless. But see as it's the new year I'll let someone enlighten me on the glorious benefits as why I should try it.[/QUOTE]I have been doing this hobby a long time, and have tried SW, providers and AMP's. I have never had a problems at AMP's such as ripoff or pimps, and most of the AMP girls do not seem to be jonesing for their next bit of candy. In the last 5 years or more, the hobby has become more dangerous, so the AMP experience is just safer. Also to me it is more relaxing and am able to let my guard down a little. Admittedly, I am less worried about discretion since I am single. I have two FS AMP's close by that I frequent.

[QUOTE=PrivateParts;5704933]Happy New Year. I thought I'd start out the year with a rant-like question. Will someone explain what the allure is of the massage parlor experience? Most reports sound like my high school dating experience: it involves a half-ass massage to get someone in the mood, followed by some awkward fondling of boobs and ass, having a hand slapped away from roaming too close to the V, and finally a little more convincing just to get a mechanical hand job. It's just lot more expensive than the cost of a movie and popcorn back in the day. What I am missing?

I'm not looking to start a thread where we pile on the parlor enthusiasts, but I posted here because I can see it inevitably turning into that. I'd like to hear a proponents perspective and especially if they can address some of my criticism or bias in my thinking:

1. The whole world knows what's happening at these parlors, so aren't you afraid of having someone recognize you or your vehicle there? If I'm seen driving to a hotel or some random private residence for my hobby I have a chance of making an excuse why I'm there. How does one visit a place discreetly?

2. A parlor seems like the riskiest place to go outside of a brothel in terms of LEO. Perhaps this is too cliche but I envision at any moment an overzealous DA wanting to "clean up" the community will target parlors and their patrons. All it takes is suspicion of prostitution (which is all of them), recording your license plate and time of your visit and you could get a detective knocking at your door during your family dinner time to "ask you some questions" about the place. Worst case is some trumped up charges of human trafficking to make the news, the best case is having to explain to the wife why cops are asking you about a rub & tug. Either way it's an easy deterrent operation that can happen anytime.

3. Why aren't parlor operators scrutinized as pimps and shunned by this reporting community? The irony that one prominent provider who criticized UTR "handlers" on this thread but recently joined a parlor which advertises for her, probably books for her and takes a direct cut with door fees isn't lost on me. Why not see and encourage independents like a lot of reports in the escort section?

4. Why not see an escort and eliminate the guess work? You are paying for time either way, so why spend half of it on your stomach squishing an erection? Maximum your fun time, full service or not.

5. If you answer "because I like a good massage" be prepared for me to laugh in your face. Unless you are giving out parlor gift certificates to your wife or mother I'd have a hard time believing you are getting a legitimate, quality massage. My perception of parlor demographics are 100% female workers servicing 99% male clients. I imagine the female clients are one time visitors who left disappointed after thinking they might replicate the spa treatment they got on their holiday cruise ship. Am I wrong?

It should be obvious that I've never visited a parlor so my opinions on this topic are admittedly worthless. But see as it's the new year I'll let someone enlighten me on the glorious benefits as why I should try it.[/QUOTE]Kind of a strange rant from someone who has never experienced it directly. Not completely without merit I guess, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

I don't understand why people are so hellbent on fucking a masseuse. Every time I post in the massage section I get PMs asking about FS even though most ads explicitly state no FS.

Which is why I don't understand by people are willing to hash out $300+ to fuck a lady at Serenity and Luxe. Duh it happens there.

For me personally I've had enough drama with druggies, sketchy incalls, unreliable sessions and poor service so I've gone with something of a sure thing. I've abandoned the escort gig completely, mostly due to safety and lack of enjoyment. So if given the choice of spending $200 for an hour on the table talking with someone and enjoying their company vs. Feeling like I'm rushed through the bases with some chick who can't wait to score her next hit, my money is going to the table.

I completely disagree with the pimp remark. If that's the case every business is pimping. Every parlor is basically like independently contracting space, no different than hair stylists and other boutique places. Pimping is something else. Even handling is completely off, if you want to see a real life handler go talk to Benz.

Since I can't respond to his post, Benz can fuck off. I wouldn't say I'm a loyalist if Bodyworks by us, if I go there and I don't enjoy my time I'll go somewhere else. But I've gotten to know several of their staff over visits and they are a fucking rarity in this hobby. They truly enjoy their work and I enjoy time spent with them. Good luck finding that consistently anywhere in GR. Britney was one my first visits in the hobby and she hasn't failed me yet, regardless of if it's her or one of her other masseuses.

Some will disagree. I can't find a better way to spend $200 in GR. But to each their own.

As far as a good massage goes, the one given by Julia Sweetcheeks is better than any CMT I have visited over the last decade. Way better than Sweetums and easier on the eyes too, although her massage was quite good as well. Mia at HH gives a great massage, as well as several of the women at BW.

[QUOTE=PrivateParts;5704933]Happy New Year. I thought I'd start out the year with a rant-like question. Will someone explain what the allure is of the massage parlor experience? Most reports sound like my high school dating experience: it involves a half-ass massage to get someone in the mood, followed by some awkward fondling of boobs and ass, having a hand slapped away from roaming too close to the V, and finally a little more convincing just to get a mechanical hand job. It's just lot more expensive than the cost of a movie and popcorn back in the day. What I am missing?[/QUOTE]The way this question is presented makes me believe this is about trying out new places / providers, not ones that we already have established, reliable relationships with as that would kind of make the question answer itself, so I'm going to answer as such;.

I haven't been in this hobby as long as some others, but I've been through quite a few different states and locations over the last couple years and have indulged in Parlors (Asian or otherwise) and Escorts alike. As someone that is seeking FS at pretty much all times, personally, and in a perfect world, I would agree that I'd rather go see an escort over most any parlor (at least the non brothel-esque setups). But in reality, MPs (at least the ones here in GR) are generally more of a sure thing than the escorts. Plus escorts are notorious for false advertising.

That's not to say that I always get what I'm looking for at a parlor, but at least the dice roll is whether or not my visit is going to end with my preferred services, rather than if I'm going to get to see somebody at all. If I get a good massage out of it, and I have on rare occasions, then all the better, but at least I know I'll get *some* kind of action. With the escorts here in GR, just getting a message back can be an ordeal in and of itself. Even the most well liked providers can go dark for days or have some unknowable reason as to why they're not responding. Going down a list of provides that should be available only to get radio silence, or worse, ghosted after the attempt to set something up, is both time consuming and annoying as fuck. And as others have mentioned, at least with a parlor you know that any girl you pull won't be in the midst of battling some demons at the time of meeting and there probably isn't some want to be gangsta hanging in the shadows trying to make a quick hit. Are these still possible at an MP? Sure, I guess. But they're a whole lot less likely with an MP than an Escort.

But like I said, this is more of a problem I tend to have here in GR. In some places, such as southern Georgia, the escorts are much more reliable and render MPs useless for the most part, unless I'm specifically in the mood for an Asian touch.

I'm currently single and travelling a lot, so I'm not all that worried about being recognized. But even here at home, I don't really care what anyone has to say about what I do with the money that I make. They will be told to go do to themselves what I'm about to try and do with one of the lovely girls in said location. But, more to your point, pretty much any parlor worth the visit is going to have discreet parking that keeps a mongers car out of site of any major roads. And even if this is about the missus, or even LEO, then you're deluding yourself if you think that you're going to somehow come up with a safer excuse for why you're visiting a room at a seedy hotel vs a business that may or may not be indulging in illegal activities. I just don't see that risk being any different. If there's already suspicions afoot, then "I only got a massage" is going to work out just as well as "Oh, I'm seeing a friend of mine. ".

And scrutinizing parlor operators as handlers? No disrespect, but that's such a non sequitur. The owner of the business takes their profit from the direct sales and leaves the employees to their tips. Good job, welcome to every gratuity based restaurant you've ever visited. Unless there's reason to believe that the girls in a parlor are being trafficked or abused, and I am absolutely all ears for any leads or even reasonable suspicions, then trying to equate a parlor operator with a pimp is not going to come across the way you think. A pimp by nature is probably taking all profit, and keeping his girls leashed up using less savory methods. And if we really want to wax ethics here, just because a provider says and looks like she's independent, doesn't necessarily mean that she is. Her handler might just be smarter than you're giving them credit for. Not accusing anything one way or the other, but I would like to know how you verify a provider is 100% independent with 100% certainty. I myself haven't been able to find any sure fire method, so I just look for signs of obvious abuse and move accordingly.

If you're looking to be convinced to start going to MPs, then I'll save you the time and say you probably just won't be going to any MPs. If you have a good rotation of escorts, or at least a good system of setting up dates (and it sounds like you do) then there isn't really a good reason out there to start going to parlors for an escort experience. Honestly, other than what I mentioned above, the only reason I go to parlors over escorts at times is because the escort pickings here in GR are kind of substandard compared to other places, at least for my tastes. I guess what I could say is that some of the hottest girls I've gotten to be with in this hobby were at parlors, but then we start contending with inflated prices compared to escorts and we're right back to square one.

[QUOTE=Benz1;5705324]The loyalists will never dare to answer your pimping question truthfully because Brit will cut them off or cut something off.

As for the risk Hotel vs. Parlor. Parlors are safer for two reasons.

1. You don't always need an appointment, those mongers without hobby phones can walk in and out without a trace back to the wife. Parking is great at some parlors. I park at Planet fitness and walk across the parking lot behind other buildings and sneak in the front door with very limited visibility. No worries about LE tracking my plate. Tracking plates has already been done at most GR parlors by Calvin College students, turned into police and tossed out due to lack of probable cause for the surveillance by a citizen or something like that


2. No worries about somebody robbing you at gun point. I know one of our members that was robbed on two different occasions in hotel rooms and refuses to seek any service out side of a parlor.

Do you get a real massage, I rarely get a good massage from a rub and tug unless I train them on what I like first. If they are trainable, it takes the first 20 minutes for training and the rest can be for me. It's not always possible to train them, 90% of the rub and tug girls don't give a fuck. I quit trying to train them a long time ago and focus on the few that care. Those that do care about the massage can do women too very successfully.

My experience is not as good as NoseJellys. However we have both found the best and most awesome masseuse that gives great massage and great head with swallow. I know nobody wants to know her name because she's mature and average looking with great tits. Not the beauty queen you're looking for. Private Parts, laugh if you want to but I am in search of the unicorn that has both talents and does not have to have a rock and body or looks.

The parlor game is everything you think it is, straight out of the Junior High playbook and that's probably why some of them post like their still in Junior High.

You're right about skip all the games, take out the guess work and see a hooker. That's what I do most of the time, when I need a real massage, I know where to go.

I've given my wife massage gift certificates and she never went. She would rather get her massage at home on my massage table and fall asleep there rather than go out. You're probably right about everyone else. I tried getting my wife interested and she's not.
Private Parts hasn't been to a massage parlor but knows enough to stay away. Good for you P.P. keep it that way. Hope you have a great New Year.[/QUOTE]Got to be one of the funniest post this idiot has done by far, now I'm assuming the provider and the business he mentioned won't see him because I'm sure she is in a different class than the toothless meth heads senior douchebag is used to, or maybe she don't want a pathetic fool stopping by to "hang out" or maybe she won't shove his candy up his ass like he likes, but whatever it is bottom line he can't probley corral this said provider so he attacks like the coward puke he is, he's so great at massages and training people (which is pukable) he should try opening his own, until then he should just STFU.

[QUOTE=DjBiker;5705810]Got to be one of the funniest post this idiot has done by far, now I'm assuming the provider and the business he mentioned won't see him because I'm sure she is in a different class than the toothless meth heads senior douchebag is used to, or maybe she don't want a pathetic fool stopping by to "hang out" or maybe she won't shove his candy up his ass like he likes, but whatever it is bottom line he can't probley corral this said provider so he attacks like the coward puke he is, he's so great at massages and training people (which is pukable) he should try opening his own, until then he should just STFU.[/QUOTE]I don't always agree with every Benz post and so a couple years ago moderator blocked me from being able to copy and past Benz posts on the boards. At the time I found it unusually protective of Benz, but over the last couple years I've noticed many members who disagree or post dissenting opinions wind up on moderation. It is what it is but I feel it has hurt the flow of the board postings to have so many posters on moderation, and I'm not talking about inflammatory posters in general but those that specifically dissent with Benz wind up moderated.

At any rate, since I can't copy Benz' post I'll tag on to what Djbiker posted and reference it to the original post I'm commenting on. I found it unusually asinine albeit a bit funny, conjuring up the image of an older gentleman waddling 150 yards through a mostly empty parking area on the outskirts of planet fitness, swinging a bag of milk chocolate bark in his hands, to walk around the building and "sneak into the front door" of a massage parlor. Quite the clandestine entrance indeed!
! Have to agree, sometimes (not always) this guy sound like quite the tool (or as Horny Flier says "tool bag".

[QUOTE=PrivateParts;5704933]Happy New Year. , , , Will someone explain what the allure is of the massage parlor experience? , , , Am I wrong?[/QUOTE]Sure, I'll try. It's fun, satisfying, cheap, and safe. You are never beaten, robbed, threatened, or scammed. LEO doesn't give a fuck about it, nor does anyone else, so it is very discrete. And if you find a girl you like and you really connect with, repeat visits get better and better.

Oh and the reason the reviews are pretty tame, often, is intentional. The good and smart girls know there is no advantage to becoming notorious. They'd rather reserve the real fun for the good clients. So they request keeping the true dirt out of these and other public places, and the good clients respect that request. Trust me, there's more happening than grabbing a boobie.

Also, why the fuck would someone attempt to insult others using this site merely because their preferences differ from yours, whether that be trolling street walkers, frequenting massage, or anywhere in between? Doing so suggests a lack of confidence in your arguments, doesn't it? This last bit wasn't directed at you PP, others are chiming in with some weirdness.

Does that help?

[QUOTE=Tommey;5706260]Sure, I'll try. It's fun, satisfying, cheap, and safe. You are never beaten, robbed, threatened, or scammed. LEO doesn't give a fuck about it, nor does anyone else, so it is very discrete. And if you find a girl you like and you really connect with, repeat visits get better and better.

Oh and the reason the reviews are pretty tame, often, is intentional. The good and smart girls know there is no advantage to becoming notorious. They'd rather reserve the real fun for the good clients. So they request keeping the true dirt out of these and other public places, and the good clients respect that request. Trust me, there's more happening than grabbing a boobie.

Also, why the fuck would someone attempt to insult others using this site merely because their preferences differ from yours, whether that be trolling street walkers, frequenting massage, or anywhere in between? Doing so suggests a lack of confidence in your arguments, doesn't it? This last bit wasn't directed at you PP, others are chiming in with some weirdness.

Does that help?[/QUOTE]Nice, honest post Tommey!! I don't get why so many sycophants want to "protect" their favorite girls and get all offended if someone on here says they fucked her or she sucked their dick. Some guys are either like ostrichs with their head in the sand and maybe they really are naive and don't believe it when a guy reviews they may have got more, or they are so scared to offend any of the workers in the parlors that they have to defend their honor and reputation up to and including disputing a real review. Almost every girl will fuck and suck for enough green. And it just ain't you they're doing it with no matter what they tell you.

[QUOTE=PrivateParts;5704933]1. The whole world knows what's happening at these parlors, so aren't you afraid of having someone recognize you or your vehicle there? If I'm seen driving to a hotel or some random private residence for my hobby I have a chance of making an excuse why I'm there. How does one visit a place discreetly?[/QUOTE]Not a problem. Places like Pancea, you park way back there, so if anyone's going to see it -- they're going there too. But also, you can easily just not park right in front of any place. Easy as pie.

[QUOTE]2. A parlor seems like the riskiest place to go outside of a brothel in terms of LEO. Perhaps this is too cliche but I envision at any moment an overzealous DA wanting to "clean up" the community will target parlors and their patrons. All it takes is suspicion of prostitution (which is all of them), recording your license plate and time of your visit and you could get a detective knocking at your door during your family dinner time to "ask you some questions" about the place. Worst case is some trumped up charges of human trafficking to make the news, the best case is having to explain to the wife why cops are asking you about a rub & tug. Either way it's an easy deterrent operation that can happen anytime.[/QUOTE]Again, easy not to park right in front. Super amateur guys go in many of those places not looking for nor getting an HE. So even IF they came in by crazy bad luck on your part, just being there can't be an issue. Instead, you look out for people you Know. Which is easy. Kind of like as a kid, being caught at a Care Bears movie. Well, ok -- but what are YOU doing here? If someone happens to oddly see you leaving it, which would require them being right by themselves, at a chain of stores, you can just say you peeked in out of curiosity. Whateve.

[QUOTE]3. Why aren't parlor operators scrutinized as pimps and shunned by this reporting community? The irony that one prominent provider who criticized UTR "handlers" on this thread but recently joined a parlor which advertises for her, probably books for her and takes a direct cut with door fees isn't lost on me. Why not see and encourage independents like a lot of reports in the escort section?[/QUOTE]Because people actually do go to them without HEs. Remember the New England coach sighted by cops from the massage parlor in FL? They dropped the case because they installed cameras and going thru their trash seen as unlawful + a guy went for a lawsuit against them cause he went there with no HE. And THEY had the tape to prove it. I can understand you not wanting to go to a super shady looking place, sure. But merely going to one doesn't equal a HE.

[QUOTE]4. Why not see an escort and eliminate the guess work? You are paying for time either way, so why spend half of it on your stomach squishing an erection? Maximum your fun time, full service or not.[/QUOTE]You do get more bang for the buck with an escort, although if you want to compare them when randomly selected, you're going to run into more riff-raff with random escorts, hands down. Hence, a forum like this. Once you get an escort you can rely on, then it becomes 100% fine. But same goes for a massage place when you have the parking place down & a gal you've gotten good treatment by. At a higher price for what you get, but you know you're not going to run into pimps or them being wigged out on a fix (usually).

[QUOTE]5. If you answer "because I like a good massage" be prepared for me to laugh in your face. Unless you are giving out parlor gift certificates to your wife or mother I'd have a hard time believing you are getting a legitimate, quality massage. My perception of parlor demographics are 100% female workers servicing 99% male clients. I imagine the female clients are one time visitors who left disappointed after thinking they might replicate the spa treatment they got on their holiday cruise ship. Am I wrong?[/QUOTE]Yeah, you're not accurate, but you are in the right direction. Just letting the steering go off some, is all. Some can give a good massage, honestly. And the idea comes up when you're sore ("Hey, I got an idea. ") but sure, the massage is just a side note. Just like someone's not going to see an escort for a kiss.

[QUOTE=Blackfire;5706109]I don't always agree with every Benz post and so a couple years ago moderator blocked me from being able to copy and past Benz posts on the boards. At the time I found it unusually protective of Benz, but over the last couple years I've noticed many members who disagree or post dissenting opinions wind up on moderation. It is what it is but I feel it has hurt the flow of the board postings to have so many posters on moderation, and I'm not talking about inflammatory posters in general but those that specifically dissent with Benz wind up moderated.

At any rate, since I can't copy Benz' post I'll tag on to what Djbiker posted and reference it to the original post I'm commenting on. I found it unusually asinine albeit a bit funny, conjuring up the image of an older gentleman waddling 150 yards through a mostly empty parking area on the outskirts of planet fitness, swinging a bag of milk chocolate bark in his hands, to walk around the building and "sneak into the front door" of a massage parlor. Quite the clandestine entrance indeed!
! Have to agree, sometimes (not always) this guy sound like quite the tool (or as Horny Flier says "tool bag"[/QUOTE]I've had the same issue. And I'll make the same claim that either Benz is an admin or is in tight with A2. I've requested to be off moderation twice and gotten a snarky remark both times. It's more than a coincidence LOL.

Benz wants the rest of the board to think those that oppose his self appointed status are a group of circle jerks working together. It's nothing but a war of words to deflect and control the narrative.

We all approach the hobby differently. I pay for good service and chemistry with a provider. I think I lost Benz on the part where I said I pay lmfao. His handling of women (yes he's a SHADY FUCKING HANDLER!) requires those that want to be associated to his cult to pay for the battered women he brings into the hobby. Long ago I figured out anyone he recommended wasn't worth the time or money to visit. You're just perpetuating this cycle of bringing unreliable talent into the hobby so proceed with caution.

Also since you're using those beloved passwords Benz now knows your phone number associated to your user name, burner or not. It funny AF that Benz talks about extortion like he's the victim and yet he probably knows the vehicles you drive, your license plate #, your name if you gave it, etc. You would be naive to think he is not involved at all when you engage in his specials or new ladies he brings to the scene.

When he doesn't get his way or control the narrative, he uses numerous alternate user names and different phone numbers to bug providers who won't see him. Schedule appts to no show and the like. Posts stupid shit like this too because he is a coward and thinks just posting about someone will get a rise or change the opinion of those that read.

Look no further than his posts. He's an expert at running incognito, accessibility to burner phones, how to negotiate the lowest price possible or play games with providers. Isn't it just a little bit strange that the best providers in GR have absolutely no affiliation with Benz, nor will they see him? Hayley somehow came on the boards after a 2 year absence and gave him an endorsement, and yet I see no reviews of her nor any real review of Benz actually doing something at serenity other than sitting in the room next to you drinking coffee and getting a free BJ. Add in the fact that he likely knows more about you than you think and that's pretty fucked up.

Appreciate all the good feedback. I wonder if I'd get a different take if I asked why a MP is better than an independent woman offering the same thing at home / hotel / outcall? No one specifically addressed that part, though I can infer some. Responses drifted towards comparing MP vs Escort which is only 1 aspect of my question. It's really why the MP? In all other industries disintermediation, or cutting out middleman, lowers consumer price (hello Amazon). Removing the "middleMadam" from the equation you'd think would do the same and also increase the providers profits. We've seen this with independent escorts (hello Caribbean Jasmine & countless others) yet it doesn't appear to translate to the Massage hobby. Why?

I also noticed nobody brought up Nuru or bodyslides as a unique MP experience you can't get elsewhere. Is that just not prevalent in GR? Anyway, thanks for the responses. To keep things lively I'll respond to a few interesting comments:

[QUOTE=JMaul;5705554]Kind of a strange rant from someone who has never experienced it directly. [/QUOTE]Self admittedly, yes. For the record I have and will see woman who advertise massages w / no FS, just never at a MP. More on that later. Part of me asking is that I always felt we were missing a guide to MPs in the newbie section so think of this as my research into "why" MPs. Maybe we'll do "how to" next.

[QUOTE=Tommey;5706260] You are never beaten, robbed, threatened, or scammed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SlyGuy12;5705424] I have never had a problems at AMP's such as ripoff or pimps, and most of the AMP girls do not seem to be jonesing for their next bit of candy.
Admittedly, I am less worried about discretion since I am single.[/QUOTE]"Personal Safety" is the main point I expected to hear. Both from a client & provider perspective as opposed to what's behind us at a random hotel door. That's my take away. Personally I NEVER go to a shady house, neighborhood or no-tell motel for the same reasons. But a MP provides another level of protection. Also I understand Sly's discretion point but I'd be interested in more married man's perspective. Especially the concerns about coming home with oil & smells gained from such a place. Probably similar to the glitter makeup problem I have with escorts, but there I have access to a hotel bathroom to wash up.

[QUOTE=StripperTipper;5705062] Also most of the non FS parlors offer a level of eroticism and pseudo intimacy that I have never found with an escort.
[/QUOTE]I agree with ST on the eroticism point for HE massage therapists in general. However my question is really, at a parlor? While on a table? I've seen massage girls at hotels specifically to get that level of sensual play. I typically ask either to skip the massage charade and just enjoy mutual touch in bed or start by giving her a massage instead. Treat a woman sensually and you'll get more in return is a universal truth, even on a first meet. Again it's not a question of why see a massage girl, but more why not see one where you can enjoy each other in a big bed?

[QUOTE=RobovDaslav;5705684]
And scrutinizing parlor operators as handlers? No disrespect, but that's such a non sequitur. [/QUOTE]I was pointing out the hypocrisy of those who claim a guy who screens members based on their behavior on USA before handing out a UTR number is a handler while a parlor is not. Case in point:

[QUOTE=JMaul;5705554]
I completely disagree with the pimp remark [/QUOTE]As do I with your remark about Benz. The point is neither of us can claim one is in some way a handler but not the other (myself included since I've done the same thing as Benz but without your scorn). The fact remains a parlor employs prostitutes (knowingly), advertises them in sexy lingerie and obvious innuendo on escort sites, provides a level of security for them, then charges you a fee to see them for what we all know will lead to sex act. What would you like to call the parlor's culpability in that? We all want that to be legal, but the only opinion that carries any weight is our legal system which frequently calls it a prostitution ring and sex trafficking and will crack down on it at anytime:

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[QUOTE=JMaul;5705554]no different than hair stylists and other boutique places.[/QUOTE]LOL. This is a repeat of Rob's own non-sequitur argument. I don't tip valets, hair stylists or waitresses for sexual services and have it condoned by their place of employment. So this comparison is laughable. Well, except for that one time with the waitress at TGI Friday's in St Louis but that's an old story. It's stupid for any of us who willingly participate in illegal activity to argue who's actions are worse.

[QUOTE=Charlie441;5706888] Kind of like as a kid, being caught at a Care Bears movie. Well, ok -- but what are YOU doing here? [/QUOTE]I told you Charlie, I was just picking up my kid sister! You were the one wearing that pink rainbow bear sweater.

[QUOTE=PrivateParts;5707815]I was pointing out the hypocrisy of those who claim a guy who screens members based on their behavior on USA before handing out a UTR number is a handler while a parlor is not. Case in point:

As do I with your remark about Benz. The point is neither of us can claim one is in some way a handler but not the other (myself included since I've done the same thing as Benz but without your scorn). The fact remains a parlor employs prostitutes (knowingly), advertises them in sexy lingerie and obvious innuendo on escort sites, provides a level of security for them, then charges you a fee to see them for what we all know will lead to sex act. What would you like to call the parlor's culpability in that? We all want that to be legal, but the only opinion that carries any weight is our legal system which frequently calls it a prostitution ring and sex trafficking and will crack down on it at anytime:[/QUOTE]I'm surprised you don't recognize the difference between what many would call a true UTR, and the "fake UTR" that a true handler markets. IMO there is an UTR that a guy occasionally runs across and she express' interest in seeing a few more guys known to him. That's cool with most here I would think. In contrast there is the "fake UTR" that Benz brings to the board from whatever bottom-of-the-barrrel he was trolling to find down on their luck ladies he could take advantage of, then endlessly promote these former street walkers, druggies and / or alcoholics as if they are UTR's, complete with pictures and stg advertisements for their services. Huge difference imo between what the predator does and the guy who occasionally brings a true UTR to his small circle of "friends".

If Benz were to open a massage parlor and market the girls like the other places do, that would be fine imo. I'm not sure how many customers would pay to see the streetwalkers and other bottom feeders though, maybe they could run out of the parlor for a minute and do a $30 blow job in the planet fitness parking lot. That one streetwalker he brought to Serenity didn't do so well did she?

[QUOTE=PrivateParts;5707815]Appreciate all the good feedback.[/QUOTE]One part that some respondents seem to miss is that massage is different than other aspects of this whole business. And that is a good thing. Most shops, and therapists, do not want to do escorting or unlimited encounters. Hence why they are where they are. Money does not matter, you're not getting it no matter how much you throw around. On the other hand, if you are a decent client, and you become a regular, you don't need to throw money around. (it's a beautiful thing, and lots of fun when that happens).

Sure, some are into more play, that is a thing, but it is not the rule. The gals and shops who become notorious start getting unwanted attention, from unseemly customers, as well as LEO. This is where the prices become silly, a couple shops (on 44th and another on Plainfield) realized they don't want to fuck all day long, so they started asking princely sums to cut the volume. This is also where the chicken-shit disturbing the peace charges come. But it is not the johns who are targeted (as they are in escorting and street walking). Most of the massage biz is very consensual, and there just is no pay for play, it's simple tips out of gratitude for a pleasant visit. So nothing for LEO to see or care about. When you see stories in the news, it is because there was trafficing and abuse, people working in conditions beyond their will. That happens in some parts of all of this biz, and is not unique to massage. Sadly, it does seem to be more common in escorting.

PP, as to your specific question, which would be better hypothetically, seeing woman you know and enjoy for fun at a private place or at a parlor? I'd say, it doesn't matter. Generally speaking, if you can have that visit at a parlor, it will be cheaper. The overhead at a parlor is less than covering a hotel room spread across a handful of appointments. Otherwise, it's the same deal, IMHO.

Another aspect that always seems to percolate out when this topic arises is an odd distaste for the notion that there is fun happening at a massage parlor. Almost a weird aversion to the very idea that that could be happening. I'd like to know where those notions come from. I mean, hey, if it's not for you, it's not for you. But that doesn't mean it isn't great for many many others. There are clearly benefits to the escort scene, and a LOT of risk. And there are definitely benefits to the massage scene, just don't expect it to be a brothel, it ain't. But why the hell would you pick a side?

I don't have a dog in this fight, and I'm not on any team. But it seems a few people clearly do have a "team" and a soap box to stand upon. I'd like to simply ask, why?

The back of their heads all look the same?

That's all you need to read to know the trash that a super senior member of this board is bringing to the table.

He says good BJ. Another says worst ever and she smells. I'm sure Benz is paying her her going rate for the subpar service too.

Maybe Benz should put his escort posts in the streetwalker section, although the ladies reviewed there may not want to be in the same group as them lmfao. Or maybe she was a fresh pickup from rehab.

Sorry but there's plenty of people, myself included, that aren't interested in funding your free car BJs to suffer through our own appointments. I hope the Fuckhead Enjoying Nasty puZzay or FRENZ as you call them hasn't gone down in membership otherwise you might get stuck paying like a normal client. Except on Tuesday afternoons because every decent lady works for half price then right? Right?

What a joke. Maybe some of Hayley's coffee can keep you warm this winter.

[QUOTE=Blackfire;5708003]I'm surprised you don't recognize the difference between what many would call a true UTR, and the "fake UTR" that a true handler markets. IMO there is an UTR that a guy occasionally runs across and she express' interest in seeing a few more guys known to him. That's cool with most here I would think. In contrast there is the "fake UTR" that Benz brings to the board from whatever bottom-of-the-barrrel he was trolling to find down on their luck ladies he could take advantage of, then endlessly promote these former street walkers, druggies and / or alcoholics as if they are UTR's, complete with pictures and stg advertisements for their services. Huge difference imo between what the predator does and the guy who occasionally brings a true UTR to his small circle of "friends".

If Benz were to open a massage parlor and market the girls like the other places do, that would be fine imo. I'm not sure how many customers would pay to see the streetwalkers and other bottom feeders though, maybe they could run out of the parlor for a minute and do a $30 blow job in the planet fitness parking lot. That one streetwalker he brought to Serenity didn't do so well did she?[/QUOTE]Basically what I said but you will get no answer from him, just them pathetic horney fuk stick, gene 2 inch dik, and when that pathetic nose fuks ole lady goes to Burger King he can log on other wise crickets.

Like I told shit for brains STFU.

The Circle Jerking Karens of Mongering. Keep up the good fight Ladies!

[QUOTE=NoseJelly;5710381]The Circle Jerking Karens of Mongering. Keep up the good fight Ladies![/QUOTE]I was getting bored

The entertainment page continues as the Cyber Ninja Circle Jerkers keep jerking each other off. LOL.

[QUOTE=NoseJelly;5710381]The Circle Jerking Karens of Mongering. Keep up the good fight Ladies![/QUOTE]Call me all you want but to use a handicap phase is just a reference of your ignorance I'm sure parents of special needs are impressed as well get the f' out of your hole and get in the world dum fuk, glad to see your fat ass ole lady got you your nuggets tho.

They can't help themselves!