"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Seriously though, I hit the bowl about 2. 5 months ago and the advice in this thread has been invaluable. Oddly enough, in all that time, I can't recall someone posting how they handle the following scenario.

I went out of town for a week. During that time, I was chatting up quite a few girls at home. Now I'm home and I literally have too many girls wanting an arrangement. I don't have the time (married) or funds to keep them all. Realistically I can probably only keep one at this time, and I'm choosing the one from last night. She asks for 150/ date and 2 dates a week and was amazing in bed last night. She can host during the day (which I can swing once a week) so I'm not paying for a hotel every single time either, which is a plus.

The problem I'm currently facing is the fact that some of these other girls are also very attractive and seem very sweet. I won't be able to keep them happy if I'm only seeing them every few weeks, and I can't afford to see them more often than that. I understand at this point in time I'll have to release them back into the wild, but what I'm wondering is how can I do this while keeping things kosher so in the future I can try to reach out and reignite?

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3055356]Seriously though, I hit the bowl about 2. 5 months ago and the advice in this thread has been invaluable. Oddly enough, in all that time, I can't recall someone posting how they handle the following scenario.

I went out of town for a week. During that time, I was chatting up quite a few girls at home. Now I'm home and I literally have too many girls wanting an arrangement. I don't have the time (married) or funds to keep them all. Realistically I can probably only keep one at this time, and I'm choosing the one from last night. She asks for 150/ date and 2 dates a week and was amazing in bed last night. She can host during the day (which I can swing once a week) so I'm not paying for a hotel every single time either, which is a plus.

The problem I'm currently facing is the fact that some of these other girls are also very attractive and seem very sweet. I won't be able to keep them happy if I'm only seeing them every few weeks, and I can't afford to see them more often than that. I understand at this point in time I'll have to release them back into the wild, but what I'm wondering is how can I do this while keeping things kosher so in the future I can try to reach out and reignite?[/QUOTE]If they have a profile up they are already released so don't worry about it. Tell them you found someone and trying it fir a month. If it doesn't work you will contact them later to see if available.

Pretty much after the first 2 or 3 exchanges on SA I simply say do you mind moving this to text. 9 times out of 10 it's no problem. I also offer kik or whatsap as options to my babies as well. These two apps aren't my preference because they're phone-based only apps and I'd much rather use a computer and keyboard to text. I'm an old-school touch-typer, so it's just faster for me, LOL But, some of the babies are more comfy with those because of security as well. My phone-texting skills are improving though.

Good Hunting!

Travelin.

[QUOTE=Moohk;3054696]Any tips for trying to transition off of SA to other forms of contact? Is better to wait till after m&g? I'd prefer to transition off as quickly as possible, it's highly tedious.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=tc9869;3055356]seriously though, i hit the bowl about 2. 5 months ago and the advice in this thread has been invaluable. Oddly enough, in all that time, i can't recall someone posting how they handle the following scenario.

I went out of town for a week. During that time, i was chatting up quite a few girls at home. Now i'm home and i literally have too many girls wanting an arrangement. I don't have the time (married) or funds to keep them all. Realistically i can probably only keep one at this time, and i'm choosing the one from last night. She asks for 150/ date and 2 dates a week and was amazing in bed last night. She can host during the day (which i can swing once a week) so i'm not paying for a hotel every single time either, which is a plus.

The problem i'm currently facing is the fact that some of these other girls are also very attractive and seem very sweet. I won't be able to keep them happy if i'm only seeing them every few weeks, and i can't afford to see them more often than that. I understand at this point in time i'll have to release them back into the wild, but what i'm wondering is how can i do this while keeping things kosher so in the future i can try to reach out and reignite?[/QUOTE]Wow! You hit the jackpot with that beauty!

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3054635]Eh, if true secrecy is the goal, I suggest it isn't a question of which one, rather it should be BOTH! GV layered on top of a burner! This gives you advantages: 1) First layer of protection is Block the person with GV, second layer is DUMP the GV # and start over and third level of protection is dump the burner and start over with new number & GV #. 2) It is easier to "compartmentalize" when there is a physical difference between the worlds. 3) Have known guys who leave the GV open or running during family time to only have to "explain things" when contacts come at the wrong time. It is easier when the Sugar phone is turned off. If one always has a alibi set up for where there are, why wouldn't it be as easy to have one for the burner? Again, and explanation delivered in a calm manner usually quells things. [/QUOTE]So, which service specifically do you recommend for the burner? I am thinking of getting a burner that matches exactly my regular phone, with a tiny differentiating mark, so if it is seen it won't be noticed. Hide in plain sight. If I don't do that, if I install a GV client on my phone and use it to text or call a SB, how does that show up on my bill? My bill lists all the calls explicitly, and I share the account with the SO.

[QUOTE] How does one set up multiple profiles on FB? Are the ones you have set up several years ago?[/QUOTE]I just did this. I used my sugar phone # to start that process. Just go to the site and use the 'new' option. I used my SA photo (cut off at the nose) as the profile picture and other info relevant to my SA identity. I have posted elsewhere about the shocking experience to have FB suggest as a friend a girl I chatted with on SA but never met, and I am not even sure if she had given me her phone # - of course, different personal details than she had told me about (a BF, different name, but undoubtedly the same girl).

When the baby is getting ready to bolt?

My SO is naturally very suspicious, owing to being cheated on cruelly in a past marriage. She has accused me like 10000 times of doing something based on the flimsiest of evidence (the headrest on the passenger seat moved. There must have been another woman in my car). She was never right. A few other times I did leave loose something suggestive she didn't pick up on it. I concluded her radar on this topic is actually poor, so I shouldn't worry as much as I otherwise might. This did embolden me to move into the bowl. I think her ranting was just a scare tactic to try to keep me in line. It didn't work. LOL. Another thought is that a SO who's a 'still waters run deep' type may actually be suspecting but is waiting to pounce on an inopportune gaffe. Don't think you're in the clear just b / c it's quiet. Just b / c you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. Ha.

For those you want to put on the back burner just come up with a story that sticks. Something in the lines that your work is sending you out of town on an assignment for a month or so. Also, keep in touch once in a while over text or even tell them something like I'll back in town for few days before I travel again would you like to catch up over couple drinks. That might convert into a car date and may not run you as much as a regular allowance but still keep your SB warm enough for you.

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3055356]Seriously though, I hit the bowl about 2. 5 months ago and the advice in this thread has been invaluable. Oddly enough, in all that time, I can't recall someone posting how they handle the following scenario.

I went out of town for a week. During that time, I was chatting up quite a few girls at home. Now I'm home and I literally have too many girls wanting an arrangement. I don't have the time (married) or funds to keep them all. Realistically I can probably only keep one at this time, and I'm choosing the one from last night. She asks for 150/ date and 2 dates a week and was amazing in bed last night. She can host during the day (which I can swing once a week) so I'm not paying for a hotel every single time either, which is a plus.

The problem I'm currently facing is the fact that some of these other girls are also very attractive and seem very sweet. I won't be able to keep them happy if I'm only seeing them every few weeks, and I can't afford to see them more often than that. I understand at this point in time I'll have to release them back into the wild, but what I'm wondering is how can I do this while keeping things kosher so in the future I can try to reach out and reignite?[/QUOTE]

Not to hijack, but I just wanted to clarify that websites don't rely on your IP for personal identification. They do use it for things like Geolocation and what time zone you're in. If they went by your IP, every computer at your home or office would look the same, so for purposes of mongering / sugaring, I don't think there's any point in hiding behind a VPN. Sites mainly track users based on a combination of cookies, super-cookies and browser fingerprints, such as screen resolution, browser version, etc. You can try disabling tracking, block cookies or use a privacy-hardened browser such as Epic (which BTW has a built-in VPN), however you will find that many websites won't load correctly due to disabled javascript, cookies, etc.

In my opinion, if you don't want your extracurricular activities to cross contaminate your regular personal / work computer, it's best to set up a virtual PC inside you regular PC. It works just like a separate, virgin PC but without a physical body. Fire it up and load your normal browser and login to your alter ego Google, FB, SA account, etc. Who cares if the info leaks between these. Might be good actually. If set up properly, your virtual PC won't see or know about your regular PC (called the 'host') let alone be able to leak info off it. Plus you can take it with you and load it onto just about any computer anywhere in the world and all your programs, logins, browser history, everything will be there. When you're done, just shut it down, save it to a flash drive if you're extra paranoid, until the next time you need to go online.

(Admins, please feel free to delete if this stuff is too technical / inappropriate / wrong section).

[QUOTE=Assaholic;3055731]Not to hijack, but I just wanted to clarify that websites don't rely on your IP for personal identification. They do use it for things like Geolocation and what time zone you're in. If they went by your IP, every computer at your home or office would look the same, so for purposes of mongering / sugaring, I don't think there's any point in hiding behind a VPN. Sites mainly track users based on a combination of cookies, super-cookies and browser fingerprints, such as screen resolution, browser version, etc. You can try disabling tracking, block cookies or use a privacy-hardened browser such as Epic (which BTW has a built-in VPN), however you will find that many websites won't load correctly due to disabled javascript, cookies, etc.

In my opinion, if you don't want your extracurricular activities to cross contaminate your regular personal / work computer, it's best to set up a virtual PC inside you regular PC. It works just like a separate, virgin PC but without a physical body. Fire it up and load your normal browser and login to your alter ego Google, FB, SA account, etc. Who cares if the info leaks between these. Might be good actually. If set up properly, your virtual PC won't see or know about your regular PC (called the 'host') let alone be able to leak info off it. Plus you can take it with you and load it onto just about any computer anywhere in the world and all your programs, logins, browser history, everything will be there. When you're done, just shut it down, save it to a flash drive if you're extra paranoid, until the next time you need to go online.

(Admins, please feel free to delete if this stuff is too technical / inappropriate / wrong section).[/QUOTE]Does this work on OSX? I couldn't find an example -.

Also, my worry is bread crumbs I often find myself. And I routinely search for cookies, history, etc. Based on the sites I visit (this one, SA, CL, etc.) Sometimes I miss setting a browser to private. If I use Tor, I don't have to worry. It's always private.

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3055356]Seriously though, I hit the bowl about 2. 5 months ago and the advice in this thread has been invaluable. Oddly enough, in all that time, I can't recall someone posting how they handle the following scenario.

I went out of town for a week. During that time, I was chatting up quite a few girls at home. Now I'm home and I literally have too many girls wanting an arrangement. I don't have the time (married) or funds to keep them all. Realistically I can probably only keep one at this time, and I'm choosing the one from last night. She asks for 150/ date and 2 dates a week and was amazing in bed last night. She can host during the day (which I can swing once a week) so I'm not paying for a hotel every single time either, which is a plus.

The problem I'm currently facing is the fact that some of these other girls are also very attractive and seem very sweet. I won't be able to keep them happy if I'm only seeing them every few weeks, and I can't afford to see them more often than that. I understand at this point in time I'll have to release them back into the wild, but what I'm wondering is how can I do this while keeping things kosher so in the future I can try to reach out and reignite?[/QUOTE]You dog! That's a great question because after a slow start I'm about to end up in the same boat. It's interesting being on this side of things.

[QUOTE=Moohk;3054696]Any tips for trying to transition off of SA to other forms of contact? Is better to wait till after m&g? I'd prefer to transition off as quickly as possible, it's highly tedious.[/QUOTE]I always move them to email.

Easy to access via phone, no SA photos for someone to see over your shoulder, no browser history.

If SO finds KIK or snapchat or other app, she will know somethign is up.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3055637]
I just did this. I used my sugar phone # to start that process. Just go to the site and use the 'new' option. I used my SA photo (cut off at the nose) as the profile picture and other info relevant to my SA identity. I have posted elsewhere about the shocking experience to have FB suggest as a friend a girl I chatted with on SA but never met, and I am not even sure if she had given me her phone # - of course, different personal details than she had told me about (a BF, different name, but undoubtedly the same girl).[/QUOTE]Yeah, I tried all of that. I had a fake account for years and all of asudden it got flagged and shutdown. Then I got a new phone, new number, etc. I got a FB profile for about two weeks then FB shut me down. Wanted I'd. AGAIN! So maybe the left some cookie or something on my 'puter that they found. Or had my IP recorded as a place where a fake profile came from? I dunno. Have not tried again. GV numbers do not work in setting up a FB account.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3055637]So, which service specifically do you recommend for the burner? I am thinking of getting a burner that matches exactly my regular phone, with a tiny differentiating mark, so if it is seen it won't be noticed. Hide in plain sight. If I don't do that, if I install a GV client on my phone and use it to text or call a SB, how does that show up on my bill? My bill lists all the calls explicitly, and I share the account with the SO.[/QUOTE]I use MetroPCS for the burner. It runs on the T-Mobile network (like those Germans) So it doesn't have the coverage of others, it does cover all the places I go. But the nice thing is it is only $30 per month. I either go into a T-Mobile store and fork over cash or go buy cards at Wally World and use those each month. T-Mobile cards don't work on the MPCS system however. (saw them in a convenience store once and called MPCS help before I wasted money.) Yeah, it is a bit of a pain, but undetectable. Also, since I travel around town, I never hit the same MPCS store two months in a row, probably never twice in 3 months! So that gives me 1 GB of 4 GLTE data before it rolls over to 3 G, but for monger purposes have never used the full! GB in a month and doubt I'd notice a speed difference anyway.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;3055724]For those you want to put on the back burner just come up with a story that sticks. Something in the lines that your work is sending you out of town on an assignment for a month or so. Also, keep in touch once in a while over text or even tell them something like I'll back in town for few days before I travel again would you like to catch up over couple drinks. That might convert into a car date and may not run you as much as a regular allowance but still keep your SB warm enough for you.[/QUOTE]That's a great idea, but regrettably, my job (which I don't keep a secret) is not one where that would ever happen, and I live in a small enough town I may literally see these girls out randomly. One is actually a hostess at one of the places I take other girls on occasion!

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3055373]If they have a profile up they are already released so don't worry about it. Tell them you found someone and trying it fir a month. If it doesn't work you will contact them later to see if available.[/QUOTE]They still have a profile up because we haven't entered an arrangement yet, so I know I haven't 'caught' them yet officially but the writing is on the wall. Does telling girls you're giving another girl a shot not really turn them off? It's like, I could have had you, but I like this other one more so she's getting first crack?

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3056528]They still have a profile up because we haven't entered an arrangement yet, so I know I haven't 'caught' them yet officially but the writing is on the wall. Does telling girls you're giving another girl a shot not really turn them off? It's like, I could have had you, but I like this other one more so she's getting first crack?[/QUOTE]They have no attachment to you but financial. If they think you are honoring an agreement its no problem, they are still in search mode. Whenever your ready contact them and just tell them it didn't work out and if still interested you would like to m / g. Remember they are here for $$ first so its no problem.

In pursuit of being active in the bowl, you should check your iPhone settings for iCloud and find my iPhone in the settings. I can see my so and kids iPhones from my find my iPhone and they can see my phone! If you sign out of the find my iPhone app, it doesn't stop them from seeing your phone! So, dad you were at the Hilton for a long time today, uh oh client meeting. Ah ah ah. You have to go into settings, iCloud and turn it off. The So says I can t see your phone on my phone anymore. Me. That's interesting I can't see your either- not true. The cover up continues. Also your photos may be syncing with iCloud and it's possible for someone else to access the iCloud and see your photos. Even if you delete on your phone they stay on iCloud for thirty days. Be careful with saving pics and syncing without knowing. I have turned iCloud off on my phone. Good luck fellas.

I jumped in the bowl almost two months ago. I quickly was almost addicted to checking SA and my hidden texting app called sideline. I originally thought these 20 somethings can't be interested in a 45 yo so I targeted a little older for about a week.

I first meet with a 40+ and she wanted little allowance and sex. I meet with two 30 somethings and one was probably not really into being a SB and the other was a pro. I followed up with a rampage of 20 somethings and one 30 something. Probably a dozen meet and greets over coffee. One was for dinner and wine and drinks etc.

After going to the FC 4 times, I have a couple words of wisdom for new bowlers although I'm brand new also.

1. Don't get crazy and offer crazy money. I did on a couple.

2. Plan on how to pay. Hotels, SA fees, dinners, meet and greet, drugstore so there is little trail as possible.

3. Have a story and stick to it. What's your name and then I slipped up at the meet and greet upon introduction. Starbucks ask your name when ordering. What's your job. Where do you live. Do you have kids. Get the story you want to tell whether it's the real story or fiction, just prepare ahead of time because you will forget what you told them the last time.

4. Get your texting app or gv or burner ready so you can lock that shit down as much as possible. Get your fake gmail account.

5. When you go home, clean out your pockets. Shirt pockets are sneaky for receipts. Trash everything room keys before you even get back to your house.

6. Get a second work bag. I keep in my office with a little lock on the zipper with all your getaway stuff for the meet ups.

7. Put that ring where you put it back on before you walk in the house!

Overall I suggest to take your time. This is not a sprint, it's a marathon. Don't fuck up because your so fucking horny. Hey it's easy for me to say because I got more pussy in the last two weeks than I've had in the last three months.

After all this, I see the joy in having a sb but I think once you get some action, the ones I enjoy the most are the ones who are actually interesting to talk to, have dinner with, drink coffee and get to know. It makes the sex better for me.

Back to check my messages! Game on.

I would roughly estimate that 10% of young people (18-30) find sugaring morally acceptable. It's an educated guess. They talk among themselves about it ("Oh, I have an SD. He helps me with my tuition. ") and it's no big deal. I'm not saying that 10% actually are SB, that is much lower. Many of them would fear the moral disapprobation of their parents, their parents' generation (for which much fewer than 10% accept it) and their wider circle of peers. But, if I'm right, this relatively wide acceptance among the young is an amazing generational change and a boon to those who can be an SD. I think this is similar to the wide acceptance of homosexuality, which is no big deal among the young and many of them experiment with it even if they end up not liking it. Probably this openness about sexuality is caused by the internet. Because from the first moment a young person becomes curious about sex they have, in most cases, and infinite amount of free information about the subject, something my generation did not have, as such information was heavily suppressed.

A short update on Mary, my SB. I bought her a PC for her sophomore year, fulfilling an earlier promise. She insisted I have it shipped to her parents house, said they're clueless, so it wouldn't raise a red flag. Well it looks like it did. A few days after it arrived she announced that we should be "just friends" and that her parents were "monitoring her". No repercussions for me in 2 weeks so far. Could be she just got tired of me and made an excuse but the effect is the same, time to move on. We all know these relationships are temporary anyway. But I did like her, and she liked me in a limited way (yes, I know about the money equation). I'll spend a few months recovering financially and then we'll see if I can find a good match who is within my budget.

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3056528]They still have a profile up because we haven't entered an arrangement yet, so I know I haven't 'caught' them yet officially but the writing is on the wall. Does telling girls you're giving another girl a shot not really turn them off? It's like, I could have had you, but I like this other one more so she's getting first crack?[/QUOTE]Woman are wired weird. She most likely won't say it and she may not be conscious of it but I doubt it will turn her or them off likely the opposite. Women are competitive with each other, I'm not sure it will hurt things in most instances.

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3055356]Seriously though, I hit the bowl about 2. 5 months ago and the advice in this thread has been invaluable. Oddly enough, in all that time, I can't recall someone posting how they handle the following scenario.

I went out of town for a week. During that time, I was chatting up quite a few girls at home. Now I'm home and I literally have too many girls wanting an arrangement. I don't have the time (married) or funds to keep them all. Realistically I can probably only keep one at this time, and I'm choosing the one from last night. She asks for 150/ date and 2 dates a week and was amazing in bed last night. She can host during the day (which I can swing once a week) so I'm not paying for a hotel every single time either, which is a plus.

The problem I'm currently facing is the fact that some of these other girls are also very attractive and seem very sweet. I won't be able to keep them happy if I'm only seeing them every few weeks, and I can't afford to see them more often than that. I understand at this point in time I'll have to release them back into the wild, but what I'm wondering is how can I do this while keeping things kosher so in the future I can try to reach out and reignite?[/QUOTE]I can only tell you how I handle this. I use non-sugar related excuses to keep second string girls in the possible lineup. Always have some reason why you can't start with them right now (job related travel, family issues, whatever), but tell them you'd like to meet them in the future.

Nine times out of ten they will see right through this and know that it means you're busy dating others -- why? Because they do the exact same thing when making busy excuses. Most girls (especially SBs) are well-versed in the art of dishonesty and thus they do not expect honesty from their SD.

What they do expect is that you don't say something to piss them off, and bottom line is that women are unpredictable so you can't be sure what will piss them off.

As someone pointed out, women are competitive, so conventional wisdom is that competition against another woman will lead to better behavior, and it does when the competitive vibe is properly executed, but it may not always be easy to execute properly. Invoking a woman's jealousy instinct is best performed after she already is a little emotionally invested with you, and best done in very subtle ways (I. E. Letting her see your eyes wander, sneaking off to answer a mystery text, etc). If you do those things too soon (before she's developed some degree of financial or emotional dependency on you), she does not yet have reason enough to care.

And, women respect tact, so if you come out honestly and direct (like men usually prefer to do) and say "there's another girl I'm interested in", there is a possibility she will interpret that as immaturity on your part or that you're not clever enough to hide it or capable enough to juggle multiples. It doesn't matter that her reasoning is wrong, it won't stop her from using that to justify it in her mind.

One way of looking at it, what would you do if a girl you're interested in says "well there's another SD I prefer to start up with now, but will you be available later if it doesn't work out"? Most of us would just move on to the next one.

At least if you leave it with an excuse that she can't possibly reflect back on herself as something to be taken personally, you can always reconnect with her in the future (assuming she is still available when you want to). I've done this countless times, even reconnecting with girls I intentionally went dark on 2 or 3 years prior. For example "Hey, I was just going through some old e-mails and I realized somehow we lost touch". I think you'd be surprised how many of them are immediately ready to rekindle things. Maybe not so much if they felt you chose another girl over them at one point.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3056500]Yeah, I tried all of that. I had a fake account for years and all of asudden it got flagged and shutdown. Then I got a new phone, new number, etc. I got a FB profile for about two weeks then FB shut me down. Wanted I'd. AGAIN! So maybe the left some cookie or something on my 'puter that they found. Or had my IP recorded as a place where a fake profile came from? I dunno. Have not tried again. GV numbers do not work in setting up a FB account.[/QUOTE]The I'd issue is perennial. I took steps today to fix it. We all (are supposed to) have our sugar / monger story / I'd. Name, rank, serial number, life history. There is no documentation to go with that. I found a reasonable site in a Canadian city on the Pacific coast that provides 'novelty' IDs. I just mailed them my $ and await the results. It will have my sugar name, and I even found a near, but not too near, address at which someone with that name resides. I already use that zip code on my OneVanilla cards. It really makes sense to have this alter ego. If you want more details feel free to PM me. Why haven't we been doing this? Or, if you have counterarguments, please post them. Of course, a fake I'd is evidence just like a burner, so it has to be locked down tight. But if you can't keep this thing hidden you won't last long in the bowl.

Mac version's called Parallels.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3056088]Does this work on OSX? I couldn't find an example.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Assaholic;3057124]Mac version's called Parallels.[/QUOTE]But I don't want to run an OS I don't know. I just want a virtual Mac inside my regular mac.

[blue]VMWare is the best and easiest virtualization software I know about. I know you can use it to run Windows on a mac, I think you can use it to run OSX inside OSX as well

[url]https://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1000131[/url]

You could also try Virtual Box but that's more technical. I don't know if you can run OSX but you could virtualize Linux inside a Mac and that would get you a browser and a machine you can delete at the press of a button.

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[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3056088]Does this work on OSX? I couldn't find an example -.
Also, my worry is bread crumbs I often find myself. And I routinely search for cookies, history, etc. Based on the sites I visit (this one, SA, CL, etc.) Sometimes I miss setting a browser to private. If I use Tor, I don't have to worry. It's always private.[/QUOTE]For the most part, TOR, VPNs and virtualization are unnecessary. If the SO is going after you and really wants it, her lawyer could subpoena a lot of things but most of them would have no dependency on your IP address. The lawyer would likely engage a private investigator, who has a gazillion tricks up his sleeve to find out what you've been up to via launching pretext attacks and other social engineering mechanisms, but I can't think of many of them that would be subverted by the use of TOR or VPN. General cyber-mischief can benefit from these techniques, but successful infidelity is kind of a different game.

IMHO the best "general strategy" here is to create multiple user accounts on your PC. If you want, just named them Yourname1, Yourname2, etc. Mentally designate one of them as your sugaring / mongering account. If the SO asks why there are several user accounts, say you were experimenting with some of the advanced configuration features of the computer, and did not want to mess up your primary configuration if you didn't like it, or something like that. Or say you were trying to mentally partition off work-related activities in order to be more organized.

The key here to think of that account as a type of secure room where the door is never unlocked. This means that you simply do not leave yourself logged into that account under any circumstances. Get up to take a call or go take a whiz? Lock the computer or signout of that account, every time without fail. Change the desktop background color or wallpaper of your "stealth" account so that you don't get confused which one you are logged in under. Become adept at quickly switching users on your PC incase some one interrupts your activity.

This way all your web cookies are under that account, yet you don't have to worry about what evidence you left under your regular account, yet you have the convenience of being able to have remembered logins, etc. Need to quickly destroy all evidence? Just delete the account.

In a way virtualization can work similarly by completely isolating your web logins and putting everything behind yet another login, but unless you know what you're doing you could inadvertently share things between the VM and host system without realizing it, and for the most part there is an unnecessary performance penalty when launching a VM compared to simply using the built in user accounts. VMs are nice and worthwhile if you need to experiment with sketchy software installs or frequently need to go back to the state of a machine in a given point in time, but I think those are rarely a requirement of SD activities.

You just need a clean separation between mainline computer use and your naughty activities, and built in user accounts are the easiest / cheapest way to achieve that. About the only exception I can think of is if you think the multiple user accounts would raise eyebrows, in theory the virtual could be a little easier to hide under your primary account, but in addition to the file system risk mentioned above, if your SO is plugged in to what's on your computer enough to care about this, there are probably bigger issues lurking. It would be easy to leave the VM open and running on your primary account, and if you leave it unattended she can see that just as easily as if you left your primary account unlocked.

The good security habits formed by the method I mentioned above are probably safer for most people.

Also just a side note, it seems like 8 out of 10 times I bring a stripper or SB back to my hotel, she will inevitably ask to use my computer (which is often right there in the open). I keep a "stripper account" with an easy password for her to log into and use, so that whatever she does is not in my personal stuff. You can of course usually allow them to log in as guest, which is for this purpose, but those forget details on logoff, so if you have a separate regular user account ready for her, a lot of times you might find you "accidentally" have access to some of her accounts the next day. lol. Be careful with that one though if you don't know what you're doing.

Hey guys,

Been reading up a lot on this thread. I really like the info. I'm always wondering things that you find really helps get responses or are really big turnoffs. I just signed up for SA and trying to figure out a lot of this game now. (I guess I'm ready for a new challenge).

J.

[QUOTE=Jayb20;3057529]Hey guys,

Been reading up a lot on this thread. I really like the info. I'm always wondering things that you find really helps get responses or are really big turnoffs. I just signed up for SA and trying to figure out a lot of this game now. (I guess I'm ready for a new challenge).

J.[/QUOTE]I am a relative newbie and initially asked this as well. There are scripts in the Highlights thread. However, those work for those guys. Several people on here are doms and its seems like a substantial part of the POTs are subs, so there are particular things that work for that. It isn't my game, though. I'm just a 'husband' type, not a 'boyfriend' type. The most important thing in my view is to be yourself and play whatever game you usually play in civi dating to get girls. Same for your profile. And, don't be intimidated b / c a girl is a 10 - you aren't battling the same uphill challenge as in civi b / c of the sugar. Biggest lesson I get. Treat a girl really nicely, better than guys her age can (afford), give her great sex, again much better than guys her age, and if she is interested, some mentoring / daddying, and you have a great chance to score lots of pussy that is 1/2 to 1/3 your age. I found a steady SB I am deliriously happy with.

I see many profiles that are obviously set up to repel guys who approach POTs as hookers, escorts, or something else. While there are pros and UTRs on SA, that is more so in some places (my reading of other location's sugar threads suggests in some places SA is not much better than BP. Guys reviewing girls just like they were BP girls). I think there are real SBs in Cali where I am.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3057448]For the most part, TOR, VPNs and virtualization are unnecessary. If the SO is going after you and really wants it, her lawyer could subpoena a lot of things but most of them would have no dependency on your IP address. The lawyer would likely engage a private investigator, who has a gazillion tricks up his sleeve to find out what you've been up to via launching pretext attacks and other social engineering mechanisms, but I can't think of many of them that would be subverted by the use of TOR or VPN. General cyber-mischief can benefit from these techniques, but successful infidelity is kind of a different game.

IMHO the best "general strategy" here is to create multiple user accounts on your PC. If you want, just named them Yourname1, Yourname2, etc. Mentally designate one of them as your sugaring / mongering account. If the SO asks why there are several user accounts, say you were experimenting with some of the advanced configuration features of the computer, and did not want to mess up your primary configuration if you didn't like it, or something like that. Or say you were trying to mentally partition off work-related activities in order to be more organized.

The key here to think of that account as a type of secure room where the door is never unlocked. This means that you simply do not leave yourself logged into that account under any circumstances. Get up to take a call or go take a whiz? Lock the computer or signout of that account, every time without fail. Change the desktop background color or wallpaper of your "stealth" account so that you don't get confused which one you are logged in under. Become adept at quickly switching users on your PC incase some one interrupts your activity.

This way all your web cookies are under that account, yet you don't have to worry about what evidence you left under your regular account, yet you have the convenience of being able to have remembered logins, etc. Need to quickly destroy all evidence? Just delete the account.

In a way virtualization can work similarly by completely isolating your web logins and putting everything behind yet another login, but unless you know what you're doing you could inadvertently share things between the VM and host system without realizing it, and for the most part there is an unnecessary performance penalty when launching a VM compared to simply using the built in user accounts. VMs are nice and worthwhile if you need to experiment with sketchy software installs or frequently need to go back to the state of a machine in a given point in time, but I think those are rarely a requirement of SD activities.

You just need a clean separation between mainline computer use and your naughty activities, and built in user accounts are the easiest / cheapest way to achieve that. About the only exception I can think of is if you think the multiple user accounts would raise eyebrows, in theory the virtual could be a little easier to hide under your primary account, but in addition to the file system risk mentioned above, if your SO is plugged in to what's on your computer enough to care about this, there are probably bigger issues lurking. It would be easy to leave the VM open and running on your primary account, and if you leave it unattended she can see that just as easily as if you left your primary account unlocked.

The good security habits formed by the method I mentioned above are probably safer for most people.

Also just a side note, it seems like 8 out of 10 times I bring a stripper or SB back to my hotel, she will inevitably ask to use my computer (which is often right there in the open). I keep a "stripper account" with an easy password for her to log into and use, so that whatever she does is not in my personal stuff. You can of course usually allow them to log in as guest, which is for this purpose, but those forget details on logoff, so if you have a separate regular user account ready for her, a lot of times you might find you "accidentally" have access to some of her accounts the next day. lol. Be careful with that one though if you don't know what you're doing.[/QUOTE]So, Everyone has to have a comfort level on their security. As my SO isn't a IT pro or even close, here's my 2 cents: office computer, I use a separate firefox browser that's set to clean on each exit. No cookies, no history. I only use it for this and porn. Burner phone is a pay as you go deal, Set it up at a public library, I buy access one year at a time. Generally take the battery out when unused. I hide the phone in a drawer in my office with a ton of other dead phones and cables etc. When I have to bring it home I leave it deep in my golf bag in the trunk. On my regular phone, I have separate Email, I use the Yahoo app. SA Site acess on Firefox, Firefox, phone settings and play store all locked down with an app locker. I think it's called perfect app protector, it gives a report dead app screen and the actual lock app isn't listed on the phone itself. To open it you have to go through the phone keypad. I lock playstore and settings to prevent any possible unauthorized changes to my system. I'm always on the hunt for better apps etc. But the way I'm set up now seems good. One word of caution on droid you have to watch previously used apps, (square button lower right) manually swipe all apps gone from previously used list on closing. Get an absolute routine in all your security and don't deviate.

Thanks, JL, I get the point. I made a new user on my Mac this morning and see the virtue. But a little more clunky. I still think that I don't want to leave anything there. I have said earlier. Don't have anything tehre even if the SO accidentally or by request gets to view it. In your sugar email inbox, the cloud, OK.

Also, it can't hurt to avoid having websites know who is logging in with a particular sugar email. Which is easily found from the IP address if you have done it multiple times. I have always worried about data recovery is someone was really intent, and usually do secure deletes of things I am trying to keep DL. I also like to periodically do disk scans that zero out the empty regions of the disk. Sometimes this fails on OSX for reasons I don't get. A subpoena to google to get the identity of the computer logging into an account can't succeed if there are literally thousands of different IP addresses involved. I know, it's NSA.

Another point of security I haven't seen discussed lately. The EXIF data in photos. If taken with a phone with GPS and some cameras, that identifies place and other stuff. There was a guy who found girls he stalked this way. Pulled their photos off FB, I think, and went to their house to peep them. I went through a lot of machinations to get clean photos to put on SA (even the fakes). I understand that SA is supposed to take that info off photos, but perhaps doesn't always do a perfect job.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3057448]For the most part, TOR, VPNs and virtualization are unnecessary. If the SO is going after you and really wants it, her lawyer could subpoena a lot of things but most of them would have no dependency on your IP address. The lawyer would likely engage a private investigator, who has a gazillion tricks up his sleeve to find out what you've been up to via launching pretext attacks and other social engineering mechanisms, but I can't think of many of them that would be subverted by the use of TOR or VPN. General cyber-mischief can benefit from these techniques, but successful infidelity is kind of a different game.

IMHO the best "general strategy" here is to create multiple user accounts on your PC. If you want, just named them Yourname1, Yourname2, etc. Mentally designate one of them as your sugaring / mongering account. If the SO asks why there are several user accounts, say you were experimenting with some of the advanced configuration features of the computer, and did not want to mess up your primary configuration if you didn't like it, or something like that. Or say you were trying to mentally partition off work-related activities in order to be more organized.

The key here to think of that account as a type of secure room where the door is never unlocked. This means that you simply do not leave yourself logged into that account under any circumstances. Get up to take a call or go take a whiz? Lock the computer or signout of that account, every time without fail. Change the desktop background color or wallpaper of your "stealth" account so that you don't get confused which one you are logged in under. Become adept at quickly switching users on your PC incase some one interrupts your activity.

This way all your web cookies are under that account, yet you don't have to worry about what evidence you left under your regular account, yet you have the convenience of being able to have remembered logins, etc. Need to quickly destroy all evidence? Just delete the account.

You just need a clean separation between mainline computer use and your naughty activities, and built in user accounts are the easiest / cheapest way to achieve that. About the only exception I can think of is if you think the multiple user accounts would raise eyebrows, in theory the virtual could be a little easier to hide under your primary account, but in addition to the file system risk mentioned above, if your SO is plugged in to what's on your computer enough to care about this, there are probably bigger issues lurking. It would be easy to leave the VM open and running on your primary account, and if you leave it unattended she can see that just as easily as if you left your primary account unlocked.

The good security habits formed by the method I mentioned above are probably safer for most people.

Also just a side note, it seems like 8 out of 10 times I bring a stripper or SB back to my hotel, she will inevitably ask to use my computer (which is often right there in the open). I keep a "stripper account" with an easy password for her to log into and use, so that whatever she does is not in my personal stuff. You can of course usually allow them to log in as guest, which is for this purpose, but those forget details on logoff, so if you have a separate regular user account ready for her, a lot of times you might find you "accidentally" have access to some of her accounts the next day. lol. Be careful with that one though if you don't know what you're doing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SouthShoreAlex;3057642]So, Everyone has to have a comfort level on their security. As my SO isn't a IT pro or even close, here's my 2 cents: office computer, I use a separate firefox browser that's set to clean on each exit. No cookies, no history. I only use it for this and porn. Burner phone is a pay as you go deal, Set it up at a public library, I buy access one year at a time. Generally take the battery out when unused. I hide the phone in a drawer in my office with a ton of other dead phones and cables etc. When I have to bring it home I leave it deep in my golf bag in the trunk. On my regular phone, I have separate Email, I use the Yahoo app. SA Site acess on Firefox, Firefox, phone settings and play store all locked down with an app locker. I think it's called perfect app protector, it gives a report dead app screen and the actual lock app isn't listed on the phone itself. To open it you have to go through the phone keypad. I lock playstore and settings to prevent any possible unauthorized changes to my system. I'm always on the hunt for better apps etc. But the way I'm set up now seems good. One word of caution on droid you have to watch previously used apps, (square button lower right) manually swipe all apps gone from previously used list on closing. Get an absolute routine in all your security and don't deviate.[/QUOTE]Having your browser always launch in private mode works too, it just comes with the inconvenience of having to type your password into websites each time. Depending on individual scale of shenanigans, this may or may not be a major inconvenience. So the benefit of the multiple accounts approach is just that you get the productivity of having everything set up and ready to go including remembered passwords, but an easy way to destroy all evidence in one swoop. The other thing I like about this is that I can set up an e-mail client like Thunderbird to check multiple accounts. For example I usually have a couple of "sugaring" e-mail accounts in flux, one that I use for SD or dating websites (to catch all of the spam from the site itself then the notifications like you have new msgs on the site, etc.) then I have an email that I give the girls to get in touch with me, send photos, etc. Email is usually better than texting for this, because of the ease of organizing emails, filing away the pictures they send, etc. I usually organize by city so I can keep track of which girls are in which city I will be visiting. Keeping that same e-mail filing system, or storing the pics in folders on the hard drive in a way that's accessible to the primary administrator account on the system would be a bit dangerous. Then the advantage of having the e-mail account hooked up to these accounts is that I get new mail notifications independent of what web browser I'm running or what I may be logged into, without worrying about those new mail notifications ever showing up on my primary account at an inconvenient time. Usually when I'm out of town, I will also set up my phone to also access these mail accounts (the one I give the girls at least), but of course I remove / disable that when I'm back home.

But I agree with your first statement, it's whatever works. If someone has a system that's kept them hidden for many years I would say keep doing it. My suggestions are just for those who haven't really developed their methods yet and are looking at options.

About OSX virtualization yes you can run OSX inside of Parallels on OSX, but IMO it is pointless to do so, you're just signing up for another $100 a year or so on software (they will constantly ding you on upgrades unless you subscribe). Unless your goals involve installing software on the OS that you are leary of and really want to sandbox it, there is no advantage over this versus the multiple account method, just added performance penalty and hassle. Unless that is, you want to run Windows apps or Linux and then its like gold.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3057694]

About OSX virtualization yes you can run OSX inside of Parallels on OSX, but IMO it is pointless to do so, you're just signing up for another $100 a year or so on software (they will constantly ding you on upgrades unless you subscribe). Unless your goals involve installing software on the OS that you are leary of and really want to sandbox it, there is no advantage over this versus the multiple account method, just added performance penalty and hassle. Unless that is, you want to run Windows apps or Linux and then its like gold.[/QUOTE]Lots of good info floating around on this thread, and much of it may have some people's heads spinning.

First, I don't recommend just using a private browser. The likelihood of a mistake is much higher. The more you can isolate your two worlds the better. Why I use a burner with GV.

Depending on your situation and cell coverage, the safest and easiest (key to preventing mistakes) is just get a decent burner phone / tablet. Tmobile in the states has unlimited service for $50/ mo. If you trust Google, you can go with Fi and get it for even less. That may not be a viable option if you can't use your phone / tablet in privacy etc. In that case (and you have an android phone), I'd recommend using a remote desktop server on it. You can then connect from your desktop to your phone. It's a bit clumsy, but it's relatively easy compared to the virtualization route. If there's interest, I can put together a guide.

Personally. I use a virtual machine, but KiK made me go the remote server route since there's no desktop app for it.

When you first start, it's difficult to prioritize. You're a kid in a candy store. Over time, you'll figure out what you like and don't like. That will allow you to prioritize.

Until then, enjoy the variety and be safe!

I've survived a few meet and greets. I'm still trying to sort things out, two girls right now have risen to the time. Both very interesting to me. One I'm actively planning with for the next visit which sounds like it will be fantastic. She is a single mom type with a job which is good. The other, she completetley blew me away, was just a great time to be with but. She seems to be harder to nail down and I feel mixed messages.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3057649]Thanks, JL, I get the point. I made a new user on my Mac this morning and see the virtue. But a little more clunky. I still think that I don't want to leave anything there. I have said earlier. Don't have anything tehre even if the SO accidentally or by request gets to view it. In your sugar email inbox, the cloud, OK.

Also, it can't hurt to avoid having websites know who is logging in with a particular sugar email. Which is easily found from the IP address if you have done it multiple times. I have always worried about data recovery is someone was really intent, and usually do secure deletes of things I am trying to keep DL. I also like to periodically do disk scans that zero out the empty regions of the disk. Sometimes this fails on OSX for reasons I don't get. A subpoena to google to get the identity of the computer logging into an account can't succeed if there are literally thousands of different IP addresses involved. I know, it's NSA.

Another point of security I haven't seen discussed lately. The EXIF data in photos. If taken with a phone with GPS and some cameras, that identifies place and other stuff. There was a guy who found girls he stalked this way. Pulled their photos off FB, I think, and went to their house to peep them. I went through a lot of machinations to get clean photos to put on SA (even the fakes). I understand that SA is supposed to take that info off photos, but perhaps doesn't always do a perfect job.[/QUOTE]One thing about security, the more secure you add, the more you give up convenience. It's all about finding the right balance depending on your situation. In my case, I don't want to get caught, but my assets are not up for grab if I do. It would suck, I'm sure my relationship would survive if I wanted it to, but it would probably take years to undo the damage and get to a point where she wasn't still reminding me of it and holding it against me and I might have to let her go just to get out from under that. The adage about it taking years to build trust and 30 seconds to destroy it is all too true. Someone with more to lose might want to be more careful, on the other hand the already-divorced guys are probably reading this, shaking their heads thankful that they don't have to worry about any of this.

The photo data is a good point. I never send anything directly from the phone, I always run it through separate image processing software to stip any unwanted data off. The main thing of course is to be sure GPS data is removed. It would suck to send an SB a selfie taken at your home with exact lat and long coordinates.

About the extra accounts -- one thing I may not have explained well enough before, I think its better to have several in case the SO asks to see what's in those accounts (reasonable enough request right, since you have nothing to hide). So you show her each one except the real one which has a different password. And, low and behold, the password you THOUGHT you saved with that account must have had a typo, because now you can't get in. So imagine having about 5 accounts, all of which have Pass1 as the pwd, except your hidden account, in which case is Pass300 or whatever. Just say "well I never realized I was locked out of that account because I never used it after I set it up". Perfectly plausible excuse, and she will feel like she's seen "most" of the extracurricular stuff by the fact that you showed her the other 4 accounts, which of course are free and clear of evidence.

Maybe it's not the approach for everyone, but it can work well and has the side benefit of not mixing your work related correspondences and activities with your hobby related ones.

Nothing in the cloud is truely safe unless you take the step to encrypt it separately. The cloud services themselves encrypt their data, but once their authentication is compromised, the hacker is all in. Its better to assume everything in the cloud is subject to prying eyes. So from that perspective, the data is safer under a local account that only you know the password to (if that matters to you).

Beyond the stuff I've mentioned in the last few posts, I think the primary threat for a married guy is if the wife puts a P. I. On him. Then it's probably not a question of if the shit hits the fan, it's when. Regular surveillance is probably the biggest threat, and about all that can be done is laying low and make sure he comes up empty. It's not as easy as checking your six, good investigators work in teams and know how to follow you just about anywhere. That step usually happens long before subpoenas and low level hard drive data recovery.

This kind of stuff is no fun to talk about but I think it's a worthwhile subject.

Yep, I've wondered about that PI business since I have an intrinsically suspicious SO. Could she put a GPS tracker on my car? We'd all be dead ducks if that happened. I am sure a PI can sweep your car for those, but charge a bunch and then it has to be done periodically. Anyone have a SB try to get their I'd from their license plate? That's why I have a plate I got from a wrecker on my car every time I meet a baby. I also put a strip of black electrical tape over the last digits of my VIN (visible at the base of the windshield on the driver's side of my car). If the police really want / need that they can peel the tape off, but a baby might be reluctant to be seen as suspicious. The PI. I don't know.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3058264]One thing about security, the more secure you add, the more you give up convenience. It's all about finding the right balance depending on your situation. In my case, I don't want to get caught, but my assets are not up for grab if I do. It would suck, I'm sure my relationship would survive if I wanted it to, but it would probably take years to undo the damage and get to a point where she wasn't still reminding me of it and holding it against me and I might have to let her go just to get out from under that. The adage about it taking years to build trust and 30 seconds to destroy it is all too true. Someone with more to lose might want to be more careful, on the other hand the already-divorced guys are probably reading this, shaking their heads thankful that they don't have to worry about any of this.

Beyond the stuff I've mentioned in the last few posts, I think the primary threat for a married guy is if the wife puts a P. I. On him. Then it's probably not a question of if the shit hits the fan, it's when. Regular surveillance is probably the biggest threat, and about all that can be done is laying low and make sure he comes up empty. It's not as easy as checking your six, good investigators work in teams and know how to follow you just about anywhere. That step usually happens long before subpoenas and low level hard drive data recovery.

This kind of stuff is no fun to talk about but I think it's a worthwhile subject.[/QUOTE]

Flip side of my other post. If a baby sexts you or you get her photos in some way other than off SA (supposedly safened by them), definitely open it, with even a simple viewer, and open the Info tab. You can maybe find the EXIF data. Which can include her name if she has that on her phone or camera, the aforementioned GPS data, and even other data that could tip you if the photos aren't really her (of course, you should be using TinEye to check if she downloaded the pic).

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3058264]

Beyond the stuff I've mentioned in the last few posts, I think the primary threat for a married guy is if the wife puts a P. I. On him. Then it's probably not a question of if the shit hits the fan, it's when. Regular surveillance is probably the biggest threat, and about all that can be done is laying low and make sure he comes up empty. It's not as easy as checking your six, good investigators work in teams and know how to follow you just about anywhere. That step usually happens long before subpoenas and low level hard drive data recovery.

This kind of stuff is no fun to talk about but I think it's a worthwhile subject.[/QUOTE]I'd suspect many PIs use GPS devices hidden on the vehicle now. Cheaper, easier, and it is less of a hassle for them. I don't know the admissibility of evidence collected, but your SO / wife won't care.

I've even seen GPS tracking devices advertised in Skymall. They're relatively small, and some are waterproof with high powered magnets to be attached outside the vehicle.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;3058691]I'd suspect many PIs use GPS devices hidden on the vehicle now. Cheaper, easier, and it is less of a hassle for them. I don't know the admissibility of evidence collected, but your SO / wife won't care.

I've even seen GPS tracking devices advertised in Skymall. They're relatively small, and some are waterproof with high powered magnets to be attached outside the vehicle.[/QUOTE]Reason #734 I avoid playing on my home field. Being in a small town, you don't need a PI, just a chance encounter to blow your cover.

I was meeting a pro at one of the downtown hotels and ran into a former employee of mine -- who now works for the hotel.

I try to restrict my Sugaring to my travel destinations. Takes a little more work to find women comfortable with meeting for a drink -- or dinner at most -- and then spending a few hours or even the night -- screwing me senseless. But there is no shortage of them. Some are certainly semi pros / UTR, but I've found my share of 20 somethings with crappy jobs and student loans who love getting banged for money.

No issues with GPS, no cover stories needed for a hotel bill or dinner tab. Other than the nightly "bed check" / goodnight call, pretty much unfettered activity time. Best of all, on repeat visits to the city no dinner or drinks necessary. Just room service to fuel the fucking.

Ok several posts here on GPS on the car, and its a good topic but a more complicated one. Yes even more complicated than studying the mind of an SB. LOL.

Long story short, the legality of putting a GPS tracker on a car varies from state to state and is subject to specific interpretation of the penal codes of that state. In some states, someone with a P. I. License basically has a free pass to do it. Some states don't require licensure of P. I. s though.

In some states that are community property states, the GPS is usually easily defended (in states where even PIs are forbidden from putting them on cars) by the fact that the wife is technically a co-owner of the hubbies vehicle, thus can authorize use of tracking device, even if her name is not specifically on the vehicle title. This is the one that has fucked many a cheater. Only solution is to rent a car or put a car in your brothers name etc. That aside, a good P. I. , particularly when working in cahoots with a good slime ball divorce attorney, can not only do this but they have a huge set of techniques at their disposal of side stepping the law even when it does not allow them to do it officially.

(Side note: Would their be an advantage to a leased vehicle in the above situation? I don't know that answer, maybe someone else can chime in on how vehicle leases are treated in community property situations).

It sucks but its how it is. To summarize, the most "safe" strategy is to just remember that a PI can do it to you, but you can't do it to your SB (you probably can't do it to your wife and your PI probably can't do it to your SB except in certain states). Getting caught doing it can be pretty severe because of recently changes to cyberstalking laws and such.

Info about you via license plate is easily obtainable by any PI in any state to the best of my knowledge. An SB can pay a PI to get info about you for a very small fee (might even be able to do it online in a few minutes).

One big source of info that's easy for a PI to get to is credit reports. This one is common sense I guess but its good to keep in mind as part of your breadcrumb elimination strategy. It will reveal points of entry for them to find out anything you've applied for, credit cards and phones in your name of course (although I think difficulty of subpoenaing actual statements a bit harder it can be done), and of course things like that apartment you set her up in across town (hopefully nobody here is doing that but I've met SBs where their SD did exactly that), or buying a boat the wife doesn't need to know about, etc.