"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[QUOTE=OliverNP;6399120]I see it as a multi-faceted thing. The higher the premium for SA, the less dudes joining or maybe for a shorter duration. Less competition for pussy drives down the price of pussy as the girls have less dudes contacting them and less opportunity. Economics is one big balancing act. But it's supply and demand, if you're not getting enough value for the cost of a months subscription, simply don't join and seek pussy another less expensive way (what I do).

Everything else works itself out in time. I was sugaring before there were websites to do it and I can tell you it has always been a lot of work, it's just a matter of time versus money versus quantity of pussy.[/QUOTE]Well said, esp the last part. It's all about ROI in my mind. Sure you have to spend some time actually chatting with these girls, or take them out to coffee/dinner. In the end you get a much better experience with higher quality pussy.

[QUOTE=PeterPan;6399131]Has any one seen a 20% or 25% discount recently?[/QUOTE]I get a banner pop up literally every time I log in for anywhere between 15%-25%. Try logging in through a browser, instead of the app, see if that makes a difference.

[QUOTE=AmpFanatl;6399479]Well said, esp the last part. It's all about ROI in my mind. Sure you have to spend some time actually chatting with these girls, or take them out to coffee/dinner. In the end you get a much better experience with higher quality pussy.[/QUOTE]It's amazing the returns you can get for the relatively simple contribution of providing a bit of "dating experience" to time with these girls. Just being a good listener (even when, in reality you'd rather be anywhere else but hearing her talk), and mastering the fine art of addressing her need for attention from an older guy while simultaneously never relinquishing the dominant stance in the relationship.

I don't like to keep seeing any one girl beyond the time frame of a few months, simply because these are not "real" relationships to me. Sooner or later, there is (by necessity) a "wind-down talk" that occurs. I used to use changes in my financial status as an excuse to duck out, but I had to start coming up with more creative reasons to stop seeing them, because more times than not they just offer to go sugar-free and I have to change my story. When that started happening consistently, I knew I had found the right formula.

The part that's still a lot of work and time is the initial search and meets. I'm picky about appearances, and the kind of girls I like to fuck have a lot of options these days. I can definitely feel winds of change coming though, and hoping that what will probably be a catastrophe for the economy overall will also result in a windfall of cheap pussy.

[QUOTE=SoonerFan72;6399522]I get a banner pop up literally every time I log in for anywhere between 15%-25%. Try logging in through a browser, instead of the app, see if that makes a difference.[/QUOTE]Next time you get that can you please click on it and it will take you to payment page. And when you scroll down there is a promo code pre populated, if you can.

Share that is appreciated.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6398928]Sorry. I typed vanilla off the top of my head without confirming the packaging. The ones I use are Metabank cards, $20-$200, which I load for $200.

On the front, the packaging doesn't have any special branding. They just say VISA in big letters and GIFT CARD below that in smaller letters. The small print on the back says the card is issued by Metabank.[/QUOTE]Where do you buy these and what website do you use to check the balance online? Thanks.

[QUOTE=PeterPan;6399131]Has any one seen a 20% or 25% discount recently?[/QUOTE]I think my account must be flagged by them as a "he will always subscribe if it's discounted," because it offers me a discount every single time I log in if my account is either expired or about to expire.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6400764]Where do you buy these and what website do you use to check the balance online? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I get them at Office Depot.

giftcardmall.com/mygift is the site to register them so they can be used online and to check the balance.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;6399554]

The part that's still a lot of work and time is the initial search and meets. I'm picky about appearances, and the kind of girls I like to fuck have a lot of options these days. I can definitely feel winds of change coming though, and hoping that what will probably be a catastrophe for the economy overall will also result in a windfall of cheap pussy.[/QUOTE]The quicker the economic reset occurs the better b / c the pussy is way too picky / too low quality and hard to find right now. I'm glad I have a regular SB with no rules but I really want an upgrade or at least the equivalent but new b / c as you say, none of this shit is real anyway.

Does anyone have experience with these two?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/02d13fcf-101e-402c-9cec-00e7c665bea8[/URL]

Sounds like they've been on the site for a while and are pretty experienced. They say they're in Macon but come to Atlanta all the time. Just started talking to them and will report what else I find out but let me know if you've talked with or met them.

Has anyone met / talked to Peachcoloredlenses?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/87c5cbbb-39f4-4c0a-9b7e-8cf241d21d3b[/URL]

Seems real, but I've got a feeling of suspicion.

[URL]https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/student-shares-experiences-as-a-sugar-baby-not-all-gifts-glamour/article_d862db14-28c1-11e4-97a8-001a4bcf6878.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6402587][URL]https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/student-shares-experiences-as-a-sugar-baby-not-all-gifts-glamour/article_d862db14-28c1-11e4-97a8-001a4bcf6878.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Good article and pretty accurate. It's from 2019, during the seeking heyday. That was when the male to female ratio was at its best and before covid. I think many young girls were sold a bunch of bullshit that initially signed up for seeking and were genuinely curious so were very willing to meet guys. Now they are mostly full of total sh*t. I find the conversion rate from texting to sex to be around 5% at best now. And the quality is way down too. I also think since vanilla online dating doesn't work for the vast majority of men, they finally gave up and moved over to the sugar world, messing up the ratio even more.

I'm still in the sugar market trying different sites but I take nice long breaks b / c for one. I go thru most of the available girls on these sites in a few months and need give the sites time to get a fresh new crop, and two. The amount of energy required to find a girl is too much to stay active every day for weeks on end.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6402587][URL]https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/student-shares-experiences-as-a-sugar-baby-not-all-gifts-glamour/article_d862db14-28c1-11e4-97a8-001a4bcf6878.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Great article and thanks for posting! It's good to get some insight from a sugar babe, as I've always said, sugar dating is just another form of pay for play. We are basically walking ATM's for most of these p4p women.

[QUOTE=DudeNextDoor;6402289]Does anyone have experience with these two?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/02d13fcf-101e-402c-9cec-00e7c665bea8[/URL]

Sounds like they've been on the site for a while and are pretty experienced. They say they're in Macon but come to Atlanta all the time. Just started talking to them and will report what else I find out but let me know if you've talked with or met them.[/QUOTE]I talked to them before and met for coffee. Led to nothing. To me they are just looking for free money.

[QUOTE=PeterPan;6403538]I talked to them before and met for coffee. Led to nothing. To me they are just looking for free money.[/QUOTE]I talked to them a very long time ago when they listed Macon as their location. They were total scammers. They want money for doing absolutely nothing in return.

[QUOTE=DudeNextDoor;6402289]Does anyone have experience with these two?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/02d13fcf-101e-402c-9cec-00e7c665bea8[/URL]

Sounds like they've been on the site for a while and are pretty experienced. They say they're in Macon but come to Atlanta all the time. Just started talking to them and will report what else I find out but let me know if you've talked with or met them.[/QUOTE]They tried to get me to pay a few hundo just for a meet and greet, I wished them well and moved on.

Thanks, all. I'm having the same experience. They're just asking for money. They did say they'd send pics / vids but I reminded them about the internet and it's vast array of free pics and vids of hot women. Moving on.

[QUOTE=AmpFanatl;6403684]They tried to get me to pay a few hundo just for a meet and greet, I wished them well and moved on.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6402587][URL]https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/student-shares-experiences-as-a-sugar-baby-not-all-gifts-glamour/article_d862db14-28c1-11e4-97a8-001a4bcf6878.html[/URL][/QUOTE]I am surprised I didn't know the R&B had that article in 2019. No wonder I was killing it with UGA girls right after that. I literally had 10 newbie college girls on rotation from 2019-2021 at all times, sometimes having to bed down 2 a day just to keep them all in the fold and the fun going. Record was 4 new girls in a 24 hour period bedded down (some after an initial meet and greet coffee then scheduled hotel date and some straight to hotel for drinks in the room). I would estimate I slept with 100 different college girls over those 3 years, with some becoming regular for the rotation.

What happens when an article like this is targeted to an audience and well read, those initial girls try it out and then word of mouth to friends happens and they try it as well and you have exponential growth. Sounds like we need to get a follow up article published to generate interest again in my favorite demographic, which is newbie 18-22 year old cutie college girls who want to give this a try for some extra spending money. I may actually work on getting that planted. Maybe a letter to the editor requesting a follow-up. LOL.

[QUOTE=AmpFanatl;6403684]They tried to get me to pay a few hundo just for a meet and greet, I wished them well and moved on.[/QUOTE]Have any of yall had any success with these "2 for 1" girls / profiles? It sounds enticing but I would naturally be skeptical. Usually you don't start out with a threesome, you work towards it. IMHO.

[QUOTE=DudeNextDoor;6402289]Does anyone have experience with these two?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/02d13fcf-101e-402c-9cec-00e7c665bea8[/URL]

Sounds like they've been on the site for a while and are pretty experienced. They say they're in Macon but come to Atlanta all the time. Just started talking to them and will report what else I find out but let me know if you've talked with or met them.[/QUOTE]I met these 2 a couple of years ago. They had an apartment somewhere near downtown Macon, and based on their Snap (I used a fake account) they'd send me realtime pics, facetime calls, etc to verify who they were. However, they wanted something north of $3 just to meet for drinks, nothing else, and I had to pay for drinks too. So, long story short I stopped contact with them after that.

[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;6403921]Have any of yall had any success with these "2 for 1" girls / profiles? It sounds enticing but I would naturally be skeptical. Usually you don't start out with a threesome, you work towards it. IMHO.[/QUOTE]I met a couple of girls way back 3-4 years ago that offered doubles. Figured the price was cheap enough I'd at least try it. They were the real deal and we repeated several times until they had a falling out, after that I saw the hotter of them a couple of times but she disappeared eventually. I took them to a M&G from Ter back when they were a thing.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d9b6ebe3-df71-4406-ba20-c74350e9959e[/URL]

Chatting with this one and from one of her photos, the one in the white shirt, I think she has been reviewed before.

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;6397341]If it's the girl from SA that was listed in a previous post, I did spend an afternoon with her back in November. We had coffee and then back to my place for fun. She started out at $500, but quickly agreed to $300. She definitely was BBBJ and bbfscip. I'm snipped and told her so. Nice time, but not exciting enough to repeat.

One thing is, she was driving a Jaguar SUV. So, either she's doing ok, or has someone that's doing well.[/QUOTE]And $3 isn't bad for a one time thing with that IMO. Yeah sounds like she's already got somebody taking care of her. I had one girl about 2 years ago that I was seeing regularly that drove a newer Porsche SUV. She was in her mid 20's. Turns out she had an attorney bf / sd type situation and I was the side guy she'd see when he pissed her off LOL. Fun times.

Just a rant, but I wish guys would quit simping on these girls on SA and SDM. SDM has a feature that you can see where other people have either commented on a profile or pic and it shows it publicly. Kind of an odd feature, but anyhow, I swear all these guys are the reason these girls get GPS and want so much $$. I was viewing this one girls profile, kind of cute, maybe a low 7 but petite / athletic body. Not supermodel looking or instagram filter type looks. Anyways, mr. Simp publicly commented on her profile he'd pay her $5 k for a weekend. I'm not even going to message somebody like that because she's already seeing messages like that. No thanks.

[QUOTE=MacLuvin;6405025]Just a rant, but I wish guys would quit simping on these girls on SA and SDM. SDM has a feature that you can see where other people have either commented on a profile or pic and it shows it publicly. Kind of an odd feature, but anyhow, I swear all these guys are the reason these girls get GPS and want so much $$. I was viewing this one girls profile, kind of cute, maybe a low 7 but petite / athletic body. Not supermodel looking or instagram filter type looks. Anyways, mr. Simp publicly commented on her profile he'd pay her $5 k for a weekend. I'm not even going to message somebody like that because she's already seeing messages like that. No thanks.[/QUOTE]So those are public comments & are made by guys who don't even have a premium account, they are lurkers. They are hoping the girl responds to them so they can message with the girl.

Completely out of the blue, I just received a text from a "424" area code & whoever it was knew my real name--as in, legal name, because everybody who knows me calls me by my nickname. This gal, whoever it was, threatened to "expose" me for soliciting prostitution. She then said she was "inboxing & faxing" (who uses a fax machine anymore? Screenshots of my SA messages of me trying to pay for sex. She also reminded me her "connections run deep. " Oh boy. I'm a zero-drama guy so I just replied "LOL, bye" & blocked her.

Anyone dealt with this type of stuff before?

One, I never give out my real name to any of these girls until I've vetted them in person. Two, I never discuss sex or sexual details on SA for fear of being banned so I have no idea where these "screenshots" she references are. Finally, she didn't identify herself after I asked her to. Nonetheless, I have a pretty good idea who it is, & she's pretty well known to this Board.

I've been generally pretty lucky avoiding the really dangerous batshit crazy ones until now. Normally, I'd roll my eyes & write this one off without concern except she knew my real legal name. Worried? No. Concerned? Yes.

[QUOTE=MacLuvin;6405025]Just a rant, but I wish guys would quit simping on these girls on SA and SDM. SDM has a feature that you can see where other people have either commented on a profile or pic and it shows it publicly. Kind of an odd feature, but anyhow, I swear all these guys are the reason these girls get GPS and want so much $$. I was viewing this one girls profile, kind of cute, maybe a low 7 but petite / athletic body. Not supermodel looking or instagram filter type looks. Anyways, mr. Simp publicly commented on her profile he'd pay her $5 k for a weekend. I'm not even going to message somebody like that because she's already seeing messages like that. No thanks.[/QUOTE]Yep. The simps on all these social media platforms have caused women to have an overinflated sense of self worth. There's nothing you can do about it but not be a simp yourself. It's tricky b / c you want the conversation to be sexual instead of platonic. I find one compliment about the girls nice ass or whatever to do the trick, and then never bring it up again unless she initiates something sexual back.

[QUOTE=TylerDurden07;6405277]Completely out of the blue, I just received a text from a "424" area code & whoever it was knew my real name--as in, legal name, because everybody who knows me calls me by my nickname. This gal, whoever it was, threatened to "expose" me for soliciting prostitution. She then said she was "inboxing & faxing" (who uses a fax machine anymore? Screenshots of my SA messages of me trying to pay for sex. She also reminded me her "connections run deep. " Oh boy. I'm a zero-drama guy so I just replied "LOL, bye" & blocked her.

Anyone dealt with this type of stuff before?

One, I never give out my real name to any of these girls until I've vetted them in person. Two, I never discuss sex or sexual details on SA for fear of being banned so I have no idea where these "screenshots" she references are. Finally, she didn't identify herself after I asked her to. Nonetheless, I have a pretty good idea who it is, & she's pretty well known to this Board.

I've been generally pretty lucky avoiding the really dangerous batshit crazy ones until now. Normally, I'd roll my eyes & write this one off without concern except she knew my real legal name. Worried? No. Concerned? Yes.[/QUOTE]That's about as threatening as some loser with road rage who flips you off and honks at you. You did the right thing, flipped her back off in return and blocked her. The world is full of crazy people. Her threats aren't even threats. I'm sure some cop is going to waste time with this BS when people are getting knifed and shot on a regular basis in big cities right right now thanks to leftwing lunatic policies.

[QUOTE=TylerDurden07;6405277]Completely out of the blue, I just received a text from a "424" area code & whoever it was knew my real name--as in, legal name, because everybody who knows me calls me by my nickname. This gal, whoever it was, threatened to "expose" me for soliciting prostitution. She then said she was "inboxing & faxing" (who uses a fax machine anymore? Screenshots of my SA messages of me trying to pay for sex. She also reminded me her "connections run deep. " Oh boy. I'm a zero-drama guy so I just replied "LOL, bye" & blocked her.

Anyone dealt with this type of stuff before?

One, I never give out my real name to any of these girls until I've vetted them in person. Two, I never discuss sex or sexual details on SA for fear of being banned so I have no idea where these "screenshots" she references are. Finally, she didn't identify herself after I asked her to. Nonetheless, I have a pretty good idea who it is, & she's pretty well known to this Board.

I've been generally pretty lucky avoiding the really dangerous batshit crazy ones until now. Normally, I'd roll my eyes & write this one off without concern except she knew my real legal name. Worried? No. Concerned? Yes.[/QUOTE]She could have paid for one of those reverse lookup sites if so. If using a burner or text app that's concerning. I wouldn't worry about it though.

In the last week or so I've gotten two different texts threatening me because I "wasted their girl's time" and if I didn't pay up they'd find me. I use an app not registered to a real name or email though so I just play along with them or ignore them. Both instances they left me alone afterward.

[QUOTE=MacLuvin;6405318]She could have paid for one of those reverse lookup sites if so. If using a burner or text app that's concerning. I wouldn't worry about it though.

In the last week or so I've gotten two different texts threatening me because I "wasted their girl's time" and if I didn't pay up they'd find me. I use an app not registered to a real name or email though so I just play along with them or ignore them. Both instances they left me alone afterward.[/QUOTE]You can remind women like this that extortion is a federal crime and a felony, to boot. She's incriminated herself with that text and there isn't anything more the FBI has to do before they arrest her.

[QUOTE=TylerDurden07;6405277]Completely out of the blue, I just received a text from a "424" area code & whoever it was knew my real name--as in, legal name, because everybody who knows me calls me by my nickname. This gal, whoever it was, threatened to "expose" me for soliciting prostitution. She then said she was "inboxing & faxing" (who uses a fax machine anymore? Screenshots of my SA messages of me trying to pay for sex. She also reminded me her "connections run deep. " Oh boy. I'm a zero-drama guy so I just replied "LOL, bye" & blocked her.

Anyone dealt with this type of stuff before?

One, I never give out my real name to any of these girls until I've vetted them in person. Two, I never discuss sex or sexual details on SA for fear of being banned so I have no idea where these "screenshots" she references are. Finally, she didn't identify herself after I asked her to. Nonetheless, I have a pretty good idea who it is, & she's pretty well known to this Board.

I've been generally pretty lucky avoiding the really dangerous batshit crazy ones until now. Normally, I'd roll my eyes & write this one off without concern except she knew my real legal name. Worried? No. Concerned? Yes.[/QUOTE]Who do you think it is just so the rest of us can be sure to avoid her? Even if she has been mentioned it's helpful to keep calling them out so we are less likely to make the same mistake.

[QUOTE=2me4Looking2;6405527]Who do you think it is just so the rest of us can be sure to avoid her? Even if she has been mentioned it's helpful to keep calling them out so we are less likely to make the same mistake.[/QUOTE]Why'all know she's a known commodity. I've saved her threatening texts from our nasty exchange 4-5 months ago "just in case. " Why in the hell she just woke up today & decided today was the day, after the passage of several months, to threaten me out of the blue is anyone's guess. But. There's simple "crazy" & then there's demented psycho crazy. She's the latter.

[QUOTE=TylerDurden07;6405277]Completely out of the blue, I just received a text from a "424" area code & whoever it was knew my real name--as in, legal name, because everybody who knows me calls me by my nickname. This gal, whoever it was, threatened to "expose" me for soliciting prostitution. She then said she was "inboxing & faxing" (who uses a fax machine anymore? Screenshots of my SA messages of me trying to pay for sex. She also reminded me her "connections run deep. " Oh boy. I'm a zero-drama guy so I just replied "LOL, bye" & blocked her.

Anyone dealt with this type of stuff before?

One, I never give out my real name to any of these girls until I've vetted them in person. Two, I never discuss sex or sexual details on SA for fear of being banned so I have no idea where these "screenshots" she references are. Finally, she didn't identify herself after I asked her to. Nonetheless, I have a pretty good idea who it is, & she's pretty well known to this Board.

I've been generally pretty lucky avoiding the really dangerous batshit crazy ones until now. Normally, I'd roll my eyes & write this one off without concern except she knew my real legal name. Worried? No. Concerned? Yes.[/QUOTE]I got what sounds like the exact same message on my GV app no. I think it was also from area code 424, but don't remember as I quickly blocked the number and deleted the message. Don't remember "her" using any name at all. Like you, I'm concerned (and deleted off some old message strings with girls I'm not actively communicating with), but not terribly worried.

[QUOTE=TylerDurden07;6405558] . . There's simple "crazy" & then there's demented psycho crazy. She's the latter.[/QUOTE]If I had a dime for every gal I thought was simple "crazy" but turned out to eventually make me think she'd end up making me rabbit stew for dinner. . .

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS6Gw6NVgRg[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecWhXP2jM28[/URL]

. I'd have a lot of dimes. . .

[QUOTE=Effnonit;6405779]If I had a dime for every gal I thought was simple "crazy" but turned out to eventually make me think she'd end up making me rabbit stew for dinner. . .

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS6Gw6NVgRg[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecWhXP2jM28[/URL]

. I'd have a lot of dimes. . .[/QUOTE]You need to google "hot crazy matrix". You entered the "danger zone". "This is where your car gets keyed, you get a bunny in the pot, your tires get slashed, and you wind up in jail".

[QUOTE=PeterPan;6400097]Next time you get that can you please click on it and it will take you to payment page. And when you scroll down there is a promo code pre populated, if you can.

Share that is appreciated.[/QUOTE]Just got offered 20% off, here is the code:

OCR20AUG22

[QUOTE=SoonerFan72;6405955]Just got offered 20% off, here is the code:

OCR20AUG22[/QUOTE]Thank you.

Does anyone know if natayladarling is real?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/17c1bea3-77d7-4665-af07-82e43b28c24c[/URL]

[QUOTE=BrownSugaTwo;6406308]Does anyone know if natayladarling is real?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/17c1bea3-77d7-4665-af07-82e43b28c24c[/URL][/QUOTE]I texted with her, but it never went anywhere. She said she lives a couple of hours south of Atlanta so I didn't really pursue it. She did send some really hot pictures though.

[QUOTE=BrownSugaTwo;6406308]Does anyone know if natayladarling is real?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/17c1bea3-77d7-4665-af07-82e43b28c24c[/URL][/QUOTE]Not for the faint of heart. She quoted me a ppm of $1500.