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[QUOTE=Budd2;2312107]I like her look and would see her if she either was more affordable or had more consistent great reviews at her current rate. As far as the spoon goes, that's par for the course. Odds of finding a non user are slim. Not saying she is or isn't a user, just saying I could care less either way.[/QUOTE]Budd2, you and I go way back so I hope you take this in the manner it's intended. I have an alternate Facebook account that I have about 35, all female friends, all associated to stripping etc. Two of those girls have died in the last month. Countless young girls are overdosing each day in NE Ohio. Most are leaving multiple young children behind. I personally don't want the Karma of contributing to that death toll. I personally don't want my money going to a Columbian drug cartel or some ISIS fuck in Afghanistan. So leave out the health risks involved in screwing such a high risk companion and pause for a moment to consider the farther ranging effects of our stimulus program. H addiction is as bad as it gets. Recovery is virtually non-existent. I'm not comfortable preying on that.

[QUOTE=MonacoGP;2312195]Budd2, you and I go way back so I hope you take this in the manner it's intended. I have an alternate Facebook account that I have about 35, all female friends, all associated to stripping etc. Two of those girls have died in the last month. Countless young girls are overdosing each day in NE Ohio. Most are leaving multiple young children behind. I personally don't want the Karma of contributing to that death toll. I personally don't want my money going to a Columbian drug cartel or some ISIS fuck in Afghanistan. So leave out the health risks involved in screwing such a high risk companion and pause for a moment to consider the farther ranging effects of our stimulus program. H addiction is as bad as it gets. Recovery is virtually non-existent. I'm not comfortable preying on that.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately your right. There is nothing I could do to stop the H epidemic going now, it is much much worse now then when I knew you back in the day. I recently had a girl off BP doing an overnight and thought for sure she wasn't using because they can't go that long without. Well I was wrong, she was sick in the morning. As much as I want "clean" providers, I realize that isn't going to happen. Perhaps by me saying I could care less is a bit harsh and was wrong. The reality is most guys could care less that these girls use, they just don't like all the other issues that go along with their using. The reason guys don't like girls who use is for selfish reasons not because they are concerned with their well being. I just don't like when guys think if they "don't know" the girl is using then it's ok and their not contributing, therefore washing their hands clean of everything. When I was in Florida the hypocrisy was bad when it came to the guys criticising the girls and guys who see them. At least here I don't see that hypocrisy. Maybe we and our other buddy could meet at a club sometime soon.

[QUOTE=Budd2;2312227]Unfortunately your right. There is nothing I could do to stop the H epidemic going now, it is much much worse now then when I knew you back in the day. I recently had a girl off BP doing an overnight and thought for sure she wasn't using because they can't go that long without. Well I was wrong, she was sick in the morning. As much as I want "clean" providers, I realize that isn't going to happen. Perhaps by me saying I could care less is a bit harsh and was wrong. The reality is most guys could care less that these girls use, they just don't like all the other issues that go along with their using. The reason guys don't like girls who use is for selfish reasons not because they are concerned with their well being. I just don't like when guys think if they "don't know" the girl is using then it's ok and their not contributing, therefore washing their hands clean of everything. When I was in Florida the hypocrisy was bad when it came to the guys criticising the girls and guys who see them. At least here I don't see that hypocrisy. Maybe we and our other buddy could meet at a club sometime soon.[/QUOTE]Well said, Budd2. You have a realistic approach to this. But let me add that if anybody thinks that there wasn't some type of scumbag profitting from 99 percent of the gals we have seen all these years then they need to rethink their position. It doesn't matter if it is heroin, crack, presciption stuff, cocaine (I bet nobody cared when they were "helping out" those strippers on the stuff), grass (yeah, people are still doing evil shit over it) or whatever else you can think of. Hell, even if you were some how able to remove the drugs from the equation in most cases there would still be a scumbag getting greased from the ladies. It sucks but unless you quit the game all together you are financing a piece of shit at some point. Honestly, my conscience is more affected by the money I'm sending up the corporate ladders to the real s.o.b.'s that are forcing choices on people.

[QUOTE=LonelyGuy1976;2312330]Well said, Budd2. You have a realistic approach to this. But let me add that if anybody thinks that there wasn't some type of scumbag profitting from 99 percent of the gals we have seen all these years then they need to rethink their position. It doesn't matter if it is heroin, crack, presciption stuff, cocaine (I bet nobody cared when they were "helping out" those strippers on the stuff), grass (yeah, people are still doing evil shit over it) or whatever else you can think of. Hell, even if you were some how able to remove the drugs from the equation in most cases there would still be a scumbag getting greased from the ladies. It sucks but unless you quit the game all together you are financing a piece of shit at some point. Honestly, my conscience is more affected by the money I'm sending up the corporate ladders to the real s.o.b.'s that are forcing choices on people.[/QUOTE]I have had bad experiences with junkies, especially the heroin kind. My belief is that they can do whatever they want the money, just like I do whatever I want with mine. A drug habit is a bad thing to have and support, but there's worse things to do for the money and most of them don't want to quit. I know people who have quit and been sober for years. It's not an easy thing to quit, but can be done if they really want too. What about all the girls supporting their kids, because they have deadbeat baby daddies that won't support their kids and they keep seeing the bums. It might not be a politically correct attitude, but what they do with the money is their business. I'm not out to save the world one girl at a time.

[QUOTE=Cheetah688;2312086]If you look you'll also see a couple of knives and some dish soap. When I lived in the barracks we did our dishes in the sink all the time. I'm not saying she's not a junkie cause I don't know but I do know that junkies don't normally wash their cook spoon.[/QUOTE] Delete post. repetitive comments. Sorry.

[QUOTE=Rafter17;2312670]I have had bad experiences with junkies, especially the heroin kind. My belief is that they can do whatever they want the money, just like I do whatever I want with mine. A drug habit is a bad thing to have and support, but there's worse things to do for the money and most of them don't want to quit. I know people who have quit and been sober for years. It's not an easy thing to quit, but can be done if they really want too. What about all the girls supporting their kids, because they have deadbeat baby daddies that won't support their kids and they keep seeing the bums. It might not be a politically correct attitude, but what they do with the money is their business. I'm not out to save the world one girl at a time.[/QUOTE]I'm not out to save the world either. Supporting a dead beat boyfriend or kids is nowhere near the same as supporting an H addiction. When I get a chance I'll do a post in the general section. What I've seen may change your minds.

[QUOTE=MonacoGP;2313005]I'm not out to save the world either. Supporting a dead beat boyfriend or kids is nowhere near the same as supporting an H addiction. When I get a chance I'll do a post in the general section. What I've seen may change your minds.[/QUOTE]I wasn't criticizing you or anything so I hope you didn't take it that way. Everybody is entitled to an opinion. My personally opinion is that it's not a great loss to the world anytime somebody od's and dies. I know it's a hard line to take and probably offends some people, but that's my opinion on drug addicts. I think that they are a drain on society and that's why I try to avoid them if possible. I will not see a girl or stop seeing her if I know that girl is using.

Just realized that I should have posted this in General section like MGP suggested.

[QUOTE=Rafter17;2312670]I have had bad experiences with junkies, especially the heroin kind. My belief is that they can do whatever they want the money, just like I do whatever I want with mine. A drug habit is a bad thing to have and support, but there's worse things to do for the money and most of them don't want to quit. I know people who have quit and been sober for years. It's not an easy thing to quit, but can be done if they really want too. What about all the girls supporting their kids, because they have deadbeat baby daddies that won't support their kids and they keep seeing the bums. It might not be a politically correct attitude, but what they do with the money is their business. I'm not out to save the world one girl at a time.[/QUOTE]I know for sure that almost 75% of the girls on backpage are on H. It is simple, every girl wiling to BBBJ, CIM random guys are addicts. Quick Stays and Short Stays were created from addicts to undercut and low-ball the clean girls. The Johns are also to blame, because they'd rather see the cheapest / nastiest girl available instead of a provider that is really a stand up act. The hobby was so much more pure years ago, but it starts with having standards on both ends of the spectrum.

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The pics with the long leg tattoo are real. The other ones could be her before she had kids. No terrible damage but just not as firm as she probably once was in the chest and stomach. At one time she had a pic on her ad that was a recent full frontal. She is very laid back and her ass is amazing. BBBJ and cfs. Half hour for 100. She seems to enjoy her job too. Enjoy.

I saw well over 100 hundred different girls when I was in Florida. I know for sure 4 of them that don't use hard drugs.

Psegabby a young petite extremely hot Latina spinner with perfect natural C/D cups and a perfect ass and perfect body. She was in school and did it one or two days a week. Now only sees regulars so doesn't advertise.

Amber138 has a child and a well funded retirement fund. She does advertise but couldn't find her ad. Great date, loves anal. Lives in nice house and has a newer midsize car. I think she works 3 or 4 days a week, has her shit together and is a great date.

Nicolette would come to my house for a two hour date on weekends. She was hot! Had a full time job and did this for extra shopping money. She liked nice clothes and drove a nice Lexus. She liked money and nice things.

Victoria rubs you is a health nut and doesn't put any mind altering substances in body. She works out and is fit. I think she gets high on sex. Gives an incredible massage however she DOESN'T give a happy ending. Instead she gives an amazing happy middle. About halfway through the massage she will BBBJ then jump on top of you and fuck your brains out. She's a total sex freak. She owns a very nice house on the canals off the intercoastal, drive a nice new accura and had her massage table in a room over looking the canals. Her garage is converted into a gym. I did find her ad.

[URL]http://independentgirls.com/indiboard/index.php/topic/417037-experience-the-ultimate-hot-sensuality-sports-rubtherapy/[/URL]#entry2051952.

My point is that there are providers that actually do this for a living and not to support a habbit. There was also an agency that would bring in eastern European and south american girls that didn't use. Those would come to Miami for 2 months sometimes longer then go back home for a while and come back to Miami ect.

For me to say all girls use is inaccurate. I just listed 4 out of 100 that for sure don't use.

I think I found one in Cleveland / Akron that doesn't use. I'll find out this weekend, hopefully she will spend the night over.

I just hit edit button because I forgot about Lilly and Sara who were also awesome dates that didn't use. So its really 6 girls out of 100 That didn't use. The list of non users is growing

[QUOTE=Budd2;2313436]I saw well over 200 hundred different girls when I was in Florida. I know for sure 4 of them that don't use hard drugs.

Psegabby a young petite extremely hot Latina spinner with perfect natural C/D cups and a perfect ass and perfect body. She was in school and did it one or two days a week. Now only sees regulars so doesn't advertise.

Amber138 has a child and a well funded retirement fund. She does advertise but couldn't find her ad. Great date, loves anal. Lives in nice house and has a newer midsize car. I think she works 3 or 4 days a week, has her shit together and is a great date.

Nicolette would come to my house for a two hour date on weekends. She was hot! Had a full time job and did this for extra shopping money. She liked nice clothes and drove a nice Lexus. She liked money and nice things.

Victoria rubs you is a health nut and doesn't put any mind altering substances in body. She works out and is fit. I think she gets high on sex. Gives an incredible massage however she DOESN'T give a happy ending. Instead she gives an amazing happy middle. About halfway through the massage she will BBBJ then jump on top of you and fuck your brains out. She's a total sex freak. She owns a very nice house on the canals off the intercoastal, drive a nice new accura and had her massage table in a room over looking the canals. Her garage is converted into a gym. I did find her ad.

[URL]http://independentgirls.com/indiboard/index.php/topic/417037-experience-the-ultimate-hot-sensuality-sports-rubtherapy/[/URL]#entry2051952.

My point is that there are providers that actually do this for a living and not to support a habbit. There was also an agency that would bring in eastern European and south american girls that didn't use. Those would come to Miami for 2 months sometimes longer then go back home for a while and come back to Miami ect.

For me to say all girls use is inaccurate. I just listed 4 out of 200 that for sure don't use.[/QUOTE]It would be great if this was a Cleveland story. I probably could double your number on Cleveland girls and probably still only have 4 that didn't use.

In my younger days I tried to "solve" their problems and even try to "graft" them back into regular society. I've paid for rehab, sat in meetings the whole 12 steps. Because deep down I felt it could happen to anyone.

[QUOTE=MrDo1;2313444]It would be great if this was a Cleveland story. I probably could double your number on Cleveland girls and probably still only have 4 that didn't use.

In my younger days I tried to "solve" their problems and even try to "graft" them back into regular society. I've paid for rehab, sat in meetings the whole 12 steps. Because deep down I felt it could happen to anyone.[/QUOTE]Been there done that. They won't change for any of us no matter how much they say they care for you. Dwayne Johnson always wins out in the end.

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The pics with the long leg tattoo are real. The other ones could be her before she had kids. No terrible damage but just not as firm as she probably once was in the chest and stomach. At one time she had a pic on her ad that was a recent full frontal. She is very laid back and her ass is amazing. BBBJ and cfs. Half hour for 100. She seems to enjoy her job too. Enjoy.[/QUOTE]"Amazing" is a relative term.

Saw Shaunie today for $0. 8/30 min. Off Brookpark / W. 150th. Told her I wanted escort (not massage), she said she doesn't have sex during initial meeting but would HJ / BJ (said if she doesn't have sex 1st meeting, brings mongers back). Little head got the best of me so I stayed. She's really cute, had nice bra / panty set under her robe (2 call, 2nd was for room # looked young with her hair pulled up. So, I told her I wanted 2 pops, she initially agreed. Barely there BBBJ (said to let her know when the time came, for a napkin), with HJ. I wanted to DATY, she was ok with that (no 69), but she was so sweet tasting, tiny little flower to lick. Rose to occasion, and she started with vigorous HJ (while my hands were roaming), with small amount of BBBJ. At this point, it's 25 minutes and she says she doesn't do 2 pops ("It's usually 1 and done for my clients" At this point we're getting dressed and I see a soccer warmup jacket hanging. Asked her about it, said she played for Brooklyn just last year. A quick peek at social media found her, she actually uses her real name on BP and FB. Something about her being in high school just a few months removed was kinda hot. Perverted, but hot. Anyways. I asked, and she said her 'sister' (the other girl in her ad) isn't doing this any more. Not sure if I'd repeat, might if the menu opens up like she says it does for repeating customers.

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[QUOTE=Mister216;2313349]I know for sure that almost 75% of the girls on backpage are on H. It is simple, every girl wiling to BBBJ, CIM random guys are addicts. Quick Stays and Short Stays were created from addicts to undercut and low-ball the clean girls. The Johns are also to blame, because they'd rather see the cheapest / nastiest girl available instead of a provider that is really a stand up act. The hobby was so much more pure years ago, but it starts with having standards on both ends of the spectrum.[/QUOTE]Even those who have MANY reviews stating "your money is not going to a drug habit here" - don't be surprised. Learning (have been around and wore "Captain Save A Ho" 2-3 times before) now again the hard way. Even if you've seen her 70 some times over nine months, having breakfast together EVERY week. NEVER a sign (like asking for loan). Still see her weekly (and much cheaper LOL) but not the same through glass and a recorded phone.