"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3042180]Well, I am not so sure about that. I am both trying to keep my real identity from the SB and the fact that I bought a room from my SO. There is a lot in the how-to highlights thread about the former, including some statements contradictory to yours. Given the 7 figure impact of the latter, that is my bigger worry. I, for better or worse, like many SDs, have loyalty accounts with all major hotels. If they get my right name and match it with my existing account, that 'stay' shows up in the account. A time bomb waiting to be found. Even famous chains have down-market properties that I might be using as the FC without really being aware that I am about to get Hyatt points or whatever. I have not yet been comfortable to book a room under my own name and then show up trying to pay with a gift card or cash. My baby currently is single and capable of booking a room herself and understands my need. I just give her the cash. Not all girls can / will do this, however -.[/QUOTE]If you're really scared to use your true name, then this might help. I haven't looked into this for about a year so things may have changed.

Your only real choice is to use gift cards for the rooms, or a foreign card (more than in a bit) due to the 'know your customer' rules in the US now.

Do some research on Reddit for fake I'd's. It isn't that difficult. They're good quality in most cases. Some I'd places won't issue fakes though for "older" clients. They don't want problems which is smart. It is also possibly a felony in some places, but for just one I'd I doubt they'd prosecute. Just confiscate the I'd.

Once you have the fake I'd, hop on the dark web and you can find several reloadable cards from Europe (usually Poland). You can some times even get them in your assumed name. Be careful of scams. I'd never load too much in the card and change the password on the web access etc. The biggest problem with the foreign card though is that you get a crappy exchange rate and usually foreign transaction fees. A gift card is way safer.

If you go this route, definitely set-up a loyalty program with your go to hotel- points for free stays!

Changing topics. I'm finally back from a number of weeks in Asia and I'm glad to see my fellow brothers having good luck! I'll try and give an update myself once I work through the piles of papers that met me on my return!

[QUOTE=EnzoAmore;3047941]I think this gifting crap thing will fuel the GPS even more. If I girl gets one gift from some idiot white knight, she will expect more and more for nothing. Then the price at the end for the FC will be very very high for us.[/QUOTE]Just reject it, explain to the girls that you'll never be a part of that crap, and sooner or later the population of girls will get divided into two different types. Those who aren't serious SBs and expect online gift purchases (probably the same girls that expect you to paypal them money just to see them on a webcam or whatever), so by stating up front (even in your profile) that you don't play the online gift game, it will help filter out the girls you don't want quicker.

If you need an angle just tell the girls that those gifts involve someone else adding their own profit margin on top of the gift price, so if she wants to get the most buck for your bang (LOL) she should just take straight cash, otherwise she's just donating a large portion of her sugar allowance to the vendor selling the gift and / or SA itself. If you have to throw away money on someone else's profit margin, neither of you benefit.

Forgot one other thing. Several I have dealt with have been open with their real identities. Their websites or social media were easy to find and / or they gave them to me specifically. It makes for a more relaxed interaction, and don't tell me this means they are UTR. It didn't. Their doing this doesn't mean I tell them mine, but I figure they aren't threatened by me and therefore don't aim to threaten me (at least to begin with. Ha).

I am not a happy camper after how a recent M&G turned out. I connected with this pre-med student on SA two months ago. We planned to meet up couple times but it did not materialize as once she got caught up with some school assignment and the next time I called off as she picked an expensive club on a Saturday night for a M&G. That should have raised a red flag but I ignored it thinking that's how a 20 yo's are. When I canceled I indicated that I'd rather meet her casually first and if there's mutual interest take things to next level. After couple weeks silence she connected back asking if we can meet at a nice french coffee place that she discovered by her school. I was excited and said I'd love that. Then she asked me if I was OK with 250 per date. I told her 150 is my average and it really depends on the quality time we spend and what gets exchanged. To which she said I'll enjoy her company and she'll hang around as long it takes. LOL. All along I was thinking to myself she was open to FC though I didn't discuss specific details over the text messages. We met earlier this week. The place she picked was nice. She ordered her food and drinks. However, as I was trying to break ice and talk some interesting stuff she seemed pre-occupied and texting on and off keeping the phone on her lap. Again, I dismissed it as some sort of teenage addiction. About 30 minutes into the meeting I was losing the initial rush as she was getting distracted looking at her phone every minute or so. I was waiting for her to finish up her food so I can suggest to her that we sit or go for a drive in the car and talk for better privacy. Then suddenly she goes OMG did you see this? Pushing her phone in front of my face. There was couple text messages that was supposedly from her friend saying that the water broke and my sb should drive her to the hospital as soon as possible. She said I'm sooo sorry but I got to go take care of my friend. I even offered to drive to her friend's place so she can get there quickly instead of walking all the way. She blinked for few secs then goes no worries its not too far from here I can walk there within a few minutes. I felt bad she has to rush without finishing her drink. Then I gave her a hug saying I'll be in touch and schedule another meet later. Then she goes, ok then can I have my 150 now? I am like 150 for what? She now slightly raises her voice and says "for the meet" you agreed right? I said but we just met and didn't exchange anything really. Then she makes an astonished face and says she is not that sort of a person. Now I was working up an anger and also getting embarrassed thinking other folks are watching all this play out from behind my back. I check my emotions and calmy took back my seat and went back to eating my crepe. She raises her voice slightly again coming closer I'm sorry I need to go. Can you give it to me quick? I laugh sarcastically and tell her sorry No. Then she tells me that she understands that it was rather too quick so she will consider a 100 or even 50. I calmly tell her "No Again. You are mistaken". Now it was her turn to feel embarrassed and she mumbled something and walked out awkwardly. I just sat there nursing myself with couple more drinks reflecting how the whole episode panned out. At one point during the discussion she talked about the few SDs she met through SA and how they enjoyed her company. I am assuming they perhaps paid her for the M&G and didn't really get to take her to FC. I don't know why anyone would pay for a M&G but the way she went about it makes me think that she had pulled this successfully before. Anyways, I didn't intend to rant so much but I guess I learned my lesson and feel much better now.

Certainly sounds like a set-up thing for her to get out of there, and she guilted the earlier guys into paying. Way to hold the line. Either that or she's just f'in clueless. What metro area generally is this?

[QUOTE=Lebruno;3049090]I am not a happy camper after how a recent M&G turned out. I connected with this pre-med student on SA two months ago. We planned to meet up couple times but it did not materialize as once she got caught up with some school assignment and the next time I called off as she picked an expensive club on a Saturday night for a M&G. That should have raised a red flag but I ignored it thinking that's how a 20 yo's are. When I canceled I indicated that I'd rather meet her casually first and if there's mutual interest take things to next level. After couple weeks silence she connected back asking if we can meet at a nice french coffee place that she discovered by her school. I was excited and said I'd love that. Then she asked me if I was OK with 250 per date. I told her 150 is my average and it really depends on the quality time we spend and what gets exchanged. To which she said I'll enjoy her company and she'll hang around as long it takes. LOL. All along I was thinking to myself she was open to FC though I didn't discuss specific details over the text messages. We met earlier this week. The place she picked was nice. She ordered her food and drinks. However, as I was trying to break ice and talk some interesting stuff she seemed pre-occupied and texting on and off keeping the phone on her lap. Again, I dismissed it as some sort of teenage addiction. About 30 minutes into the meeting I was losing the initial rush as she was getting distracted looking at her phone every minute or so. I was waiting for her to finish up her food so I can suggest to her that we sit or go for a drive in the car and talk for better privacy. Then suddenly she goes OMG did you see this? Pushing her phone in front of my face. There was couple text messages that was supposedly from her friend saying that the water broke and my sb should drive her to the hospital as soon as possible. She said I'm sooo sorry but I got to go take care of my friend. I even offered to drive to her friend's place so she can get there quickly instead of walking all the way. She blinked for few secs then goes no worries its not too far from here I can walk there within a few minutes. I felt bad she has to rush without finishing her drink. Then I gave her a hug saying I'll be in touch and schedule another meet later. Then she goes, ok then can I have my 150 now? I am like 150 for what? She now slightly raises her voice and says "for the meet" you agreed right? I said but we just met and didn't exchange anything really. Then she makes an astonished face and says she is not that sort of a person. Now I was working up an anger and also getting embarrassed thinking other folks are watching all this play out from behind my back. I check my emotions and calmy took back my seat and went back to eating my crepe. She raises her voice slightly again coming closer I'm sorry I need to go. Can you give it to me quick? I laugh sarcastically and tell her sorry No. Then she tells me that she understands that it was rather too quick so she will consider a 100 or even 50. I calmly tell her "No Again. You are mistaken". Now it was her turn to feel embarrassed and she mumbled something and walked out awkwardly. I just sat there nursing myself with couple more drinks reflecting how the whole episode panned out. At one point during the discussion she talked about the few SDs she met through SA and how they enjoyed her company. I am assuming they perhaps paid her for the M&G and didn't really get to take her to FC. I don't know why anyone would pay for a M&G but the way she went about it makes me think that she had pulled this successfully before. Anyways, I didn't intend to rant so much but I guess I learned my lesson and feel much better now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lebruno;3049090]I am not a happy camper after how a recent M&G turned out. I connected with this pre-med student on SA two months ago. We planned to meet up couple times but it did not materialize as once she got caught up with some school assignment and the next time I called off as she picked an expensive club on a Saturday night for a M&G. That should have raised a red flag but I ignored it thinking that's how a 20 yo's are. When I canceled I indicated that I'd rather meet her casually first and if there's mutual interest take things to next level. After couple weeks silence she connected back asking if we can meet at a nice french coffee place that she discovered by her school. I was excited and said I'd love that. Then she asked me if I was OK with 250 per date. I told her 150 is my average and it really depends on the quality time we spend and what gets exchanged. To which she said I'll enjoy her company and she'll hang around as long it takes. LOL. All along I was thinking to myself she was open to FC though I didn't discuss specific details over the text messages. We met earlier this week. The place she picked was nice. She ordered her food and drinks. However, as I was trying to break ice and talk some interesting stuff she seemed pre-occupied and texting on and off keeping the phone on her lap. Again, I dismissed it as some sort of teenage addiction. About 30 minutes into the meeting I was losing the initial rush as she was getting distracted looking at her phone every minute or so. I was waiting for her to finish up her food so I can suggest to her that we sit or go for a drive in the car and talk for better privacy. Then suddenly she goes OMG did you see this? Pushing her phone in front of my face. There was couple text messages that was supposedly from her friend saying that the water broke and my sb should drive her to the hospital as soon as possible. She said I'm sooo sorry but I got to go take care of my friend. I even offered to drive to her friend's place so she can get there quickly instead of walking all the way. She blinked for few secs then goes no worries its not too far from here I can walk there within a few minutes. I felt bad she has to rush without finishing her drink. Then I gave her a hug saying I'll be in touch and schedule another meet later. Then she goes, ok then can I have my 150 now? I am like 150 for what? She now slightly raises her voice and says "for the meet" you agreed right? I said but we just met and didn't exchange anything really. Then she makes an astonished face and says she is not that sort of a person. Now I was working up an anger and also getting embarrassed thinking other folks are watching all this play out from behind my back. I check my emotions and calmy took back my seat and went back to eating my crepe. She raises her voice slightly again coming closer I'm sorry I need to go. Can you give it to me quick? I laugh sarcastically and tell her sorry No. Then she tells me that she understands that it was rather too quick so she will consider a 100 or even 50. I calmly tell her "No Again. You are mistaken". Now it was her turn to feel embarrassed and she mumbled something and walked out awkwardly. I just sat there nursing myself with couple more drinks reflecting how the whole episode panned out. At one point during the discussion she talked about the few SDs she met through SA and how they enjoyed her company. I am assuming they perhaps paid her for the M&G and didn't really get to take her to FC. I don't know why anyone would pay for a M&G but the way she went about it makes me think that she had pulled this successfully before. Anyways, I didn't intend to rant so much but I guess I learned my lesson and feel much better now.[/QUOTE]I have had two SBs ask for money after the M&G. I told them I do not carry that much cash with me but had the funds at my house. They rolled their eyes and simply walked away from the table. Don't do it guys. Just making it harder for everyone else.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;3049090]I am not a happy camper after how a recent M&G turned out. Then she asked me if I was OK with 250 per date. I told her 150 is my average and it really depends on the quality time we spend and what gets exchanged. [/QUOTE]What you ran into was the "cross marketing" or selling that SA site owner does with his "What's You Price" (WYP) site. THAT WYP site is a "pay for platonic dates" site. Oh they snooker the guys in with visions of sex, but the last screen one sees before making a date with a girl VERY clearly states "sex should never be expected on the first date. " So girls that play over there get cross sold on the SA site and since SA is free for them, sign up. Unfortunately, many don't make the distinction between WYP and Sugar Baby dating and think they can play the WYP games in the bowl.

But what you mentioned is a bit fishy. I bet her plan all along was to have to "rescue" a friend so she could get out of there fast. But you did good in holding your ground and NOT giving in. I am sure she was counting on the embarrassment factor to wrench at least a few bucks out of you! Very few would have had the stones to NOT give her something.

Also, it is good you posted as looking back on the whole thing one can "see" and learn from the experience. What do you think are the "lessons learned" from that experience? How would you approach things differently next time?

Again, kudos for handling things as well as you did and getting out unscathed. She'll pull that a few more time and if she gets the same nadda, zippo, zero will learn something. Sad that sometimes we have to "educate" the wannabees, GPS girls or WYP refugees, but hey it is necessary! Good job!

[QUOTE=Lebruno;3049090]I am not a happy camper after how a recent M&G turned out. I connected with this pre-med student on SA two months ago. We planned to meet up couple times but it did not materialize as once she got caught up with some school assignment and the next time I called off as she picked an expensive club on a Saturday night for a M&G. That should have raised a red flag but I ignored it thinking that's how a 20 yo's are. When I canceled I indicated that I'd rather meet her casually first and if there's mutual interest take things to next level. After couple weeks silence she connected back asking if we can meet at a nice french coffee place that she discovered by her school. I was excited and said I'd love that. Then she asked me if I was OK with 250 per date. I told her 150 is my average and it really depends on the quality time we spend and what gets exchanged. To which she said I'll enjoy her company and she'll hang around as long it takes. LOL. All along I was thinking to myself she was open to FC though I didn't discuss specific details over the text messages. We met earlier this week. The place she picked was nice. She ordered her food and drinks. However, as I was trying to break ice and talk some interesting stuff she seemed pre-occupied and texting on and off keeping the phone on her lap. Again, I dismissed it as some sort of teenage addiction. About 30 minutes into the meeting I was losing the initial rush as she was getting distracted looking at her phone every minute or so. I was waiting for her to finish up her food so I can suggest to her that we sit or go for a drive in the car and talk for better privacy. Then suddenly she goes OMG did you see this? Pushing her phone in front of my face. There was couple text messages that was supposedly from her friend saying that the water broke and my sb should drive her to the hospital as soon as possible. She said I'm sooo sorry but I got to go take care of my friend. I even offered to drive to her friend's place so she can get there quickly instead of walking all the way. She blinked for few secs then goes no worries its not too far from here I can walk there within a few minutes. I felt bad she has to rush without finishing her drink. Then I gave her a hug saying I'll be in touch and schedule another meet later. Then she goes, ok then can I have my 150 now? I am like 150 for what? She now slightly raises her voice and says "for the meet" you agreed right? I said but we just met and didn't exchange anything really. Then she makes an astonished face and says she is not that sort of a person. Now I was working up an anger and also getting embarrassed thinking other folks are watching all this play out from behind my back. I check my emotions and calmy took back my seat and went back to eating my crepe. She raises her voice slightly again coming closer I'm sorry I need to go. Can you give it to me quick? I laugh sarcastically and tell her sorry No. Then she tells me that she understands that it was rather too quick so she will consider a 100 or even 50. I calmly tell her "No Again. You are mistaken". Now it was her turn to feel embarrassed and she mumbled something and walked out awkwardly. I just sat there nursing myself with couple more drinks reflecting how the whole episode panned out. At one point during the discussion she talked about the few SDs she met through SA and how they enjoyed her company. I am assuming they perhaps paid her for the M&G and didn't really get to take her to FC. I don't know why anyone would pay for a M&G but the way she went about it makes me think that she had pulled this successfully before. Anyways, I didn't intend to rant so much but I guess I learned my lesson and feel much better now.[/QUOTE]Yes guys pay for m / g. Its your responsibility to make sure that girls don't expect to be paid, that they know and understand that its a meeting to see if connection / attraction. From your description you should have known or seen in hindsite that she wasn't into you.

Anyway sounds like she had friend rescue her / possible take you so good job on not being taken but its your job to make them understand what the m / g is about. Now if thst connection is there nothing wrong in talking about arrangement as its winding down.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;3049090]I am not a happy camper after how a recent M&G turned out..... Anyways, I didn't intend to rant so much but I guess I learned my lesson and feel much better now.[/QUOTE]Occasional losses are a normal part of any game / sport / business venture, etc. The only losses that should invoke regret are the ones where you knew the right thing to do, but didn't do it. This sounds like you handled an unfortunate situation perfectly. When you're dealt a bad hand, but are able to say you handled it the right way, it is sort of a victory in itself, so while missing out on pussy is never fun, I think there's nothing to regret there.

A couple of weeks ago I had a M&G that didn't result in the FC -- that's only the second time its happened to me. She was a sure thing, but I ended up rejecting her and ended up going home alone (her pics looked good but found her to be below my standard looks-wise). I think she was disappointed and maybe even confidence-injured a bit, but the bowl works both ways.

The worst part about it is that I had my choice of at least two other sure things (maybe three) that I could have scheduled that night. I was only in that city for one night, so I had to choose carefully:

Girl A. Hot in pics but seemed flaky in communication, had pics of weed stash on FB, etc. Was concerned she might flake at last minute and I wouldn't have time to line up another.

Girl B. Also hot in pics, very good communicator, has a decent job for her age, seems on the ball.

Girl C. Also hot in pics but lived about 30 minutes from where I was staying and would have needed me to come get her or send Uber etc. , also found a previous charge for larceny while researching her so I was concerned about bringing her to my room.

So naturally I chose B. She didn't catfish with her pics at all, but they do tend to post the most flattering pics they can find, and to my eye she just wasn't SB material in person.

Now I could beat myself up for not going with A or C, but the reality is that I only had one night in town on a tight schedule and not enough time in the evening to pretend its the Dating Game (old TV show with big-hair host) and what's behind curtain number two.

But the reality of the situation I made the best choice possible based on the information I had at the time, and for that reason the "loss of pussy" wasn't really a loss, it was just another day in the bowl, and no reason for regrets.

Your situation is similar, nothing to reflect on and say you could do differently.

[QUOTE=MulchMan;3049246]I have had two SBs ask for money after the M&G. I told them I do not carry that much cash with me but had the funds at my house. They rolled their eyes and simply walked away from the table. Don't do it guys. Just making it harder for everyone else.[/QUOTE]Great answer!

Mental note taken.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3049282]What you ran into was the "cross marketing" or selling that SA site owner does with his "What's You Price" (WYP) site. THAT WYP site is a "pay for platonic dates" site. Oh they snooker the guys in with visions of sex, but the last screen one sees before making a date with a girl VERY clearly states "sex should never be expected on the first date. " So girls that play over there get cross sold on the SA site and since SA is free for them, sign up. Unfortunately, many don't make the distinction between WYP and Sugar Baby dating and think they can play the WYP games in the bowl.

But what you mentioned is a bit fishy. I bet her plan all along was to have to "rescue" a friend so she could get out of there fast. But you did good in holding your ground and NOT giving in. I am sure she was counting on the embarrassment factor to wrench at least a few bucks out of you! Very few would have had the stones to NOT give her something.

Also, it is good you posted as looking back on the whole thing one can "see" and learn from the experience. What do you think are the "lessons learned" from that experience? How would you approach things differently next time?

Again, kudos for handling things as well as you did and getting out unscathed. She'll pull that a few more time and if she gets the same nadda, zippo, zero will learn something. Sad that sometimes we have to "educate" the wannabees, GPS girls or WYP refugees, but hey it is necessary! Good job![/QUOTE]I just tell them from the start that I'm in it for sex, most of them know that anyway or they are naïve.

Out the girl. She on SA? Tell us her SA so she will never pull her scam again.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;3049090]I am not a happy camper after how a recent M&G turned out. I connected with this pre-med student on SA two months ago. We planned to meet up couple times but it did not materialize as once she got caught up with some school assignment and the next time I called off as she picked an expensive club on a Saturday night for a M&G. That should have raised a red flag but I ignored it thinking that's how a 20 yo's are. When I canceled I indicated that I'd rather meet her casually first and if there's mutual interest take things to next level. After couple weeks silence she connected back asking if we can meet at a nice french coffee place that she discovered by her school. I was excited and said I'd love that. Then she asked me if I was OK with 250 per date. I told her 150 is my average and it really depends on the quality time we spend and what gets exchanged. To which she said I'll enjoy her company and she'll hang around as long it takes. LOL. All along I was thinking to myself she was open to FC though I didn't discuss specific details over the text messages. We met earlier this week. The place she picked was nice. She ordered her food and drinks. However, as I was trying to break ice and talk some interesting stuff she seemed pre-occupied and texting on and off keeping the phone on her lap. Again, I dismissed it as some sort of teenage addiction. About 30 minutes into the meeting I was losing the initial rush as she was getting distracted looking at her phone every minute or so. I was waiting for her to finish up her food so I can suggest to her that we sit or go for a drive in the car and talk for better privacy. Then suddenly she goes OMG did you see this? Pushing her phone in front of my face. There was couple text messages that was supposedly from her friend saying that the water broke and my sb should drive her to the hospital as soon as possible. She said I'm sooo sorry but I got to go take care of my friend. I even offered to drive to her friend's place so she can get there quickly instead of walking all the way. She blinked for few secs then goes no worries its not too far from here I can walk there within a few minutes. I felt bad she has to rush without finishing her drink. Then I gave her a hug saying I'll be in touch and schedule another meet later. Then she goes, ok then can I have my 150 now? I am like 150 for what? She now slightly raises her voice and says "for the meet" you agreed right? I said but we just met and didn't exchange anything really. Then she makes an astonished face and says she is not that sort of a person. Now I was working up an anger and also getting embarrassed thinking other folks are watching all this play out from behind my back. I check my emotions and calmy took back my seat and went back to eating my crepe. She raises her voice slightly again coming closer I'm sorry I need to go. Can you give it to me quick? I laugh sarcastically and tell her sorry No. Then she tells me that she understands that it was rather too quick so she will consider a 100 or even 50. I calmly tell her "No Again. You are mistaken". Now it was her turn to feel embarrassed and she mumbled something and walked out awkwardly. I just sat there nursing myself with couple more drinks reflecting how the whole episode panned out. At one point during the discussion she talked about the few SDs she met through SA and how they enjoyed her company. I am assuming they perhaps paid her for the M&G and didn't really get to take her to FC. I don't know why anyone would pay for a M&G but the way she went about it makes me think that she had pulled this successfully before. Anyways, I didn't intend to rant so much but I guess I learned my lesson and feel much better now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Reggu;3049484]I just tell them from the start that I'm in it for sex, most of them know that anyway or they are nave.[/QUOTE]One way to communicate it in your profile, and staying within the site's terms of service, is to convey that you're in this for "dating", and if they are looking for some sort of platonic friendship they are in the wrong place.

You can also say "consummation of relationship precedes allowance and gifts".

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3049592]One way to communicate it in your profile, and staying within the site's terms of service, is to convey that you're in this for "dating", and if they are looking for some sort of platonic friendship they are in the wrong place.

You can also say "consummation of relationship precedes allowance and gifts".[/QUOTE]I tell them I'm in it for intimacy and close up times. They get it. Also my original post I meant naïve, not nave.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;3049090]I am not a happy camper after how a recent M&G turned out. I connected with this pre-med student on SA two months ago. We planned to meet up couple times but it did not materialize as once she got caught up with some school assignment and the next time I called off as she picked an expensive club on a Saturday night for a M&G---- it makes me think that she had pulled this successfully before. Anyways, I didn't intend to rant so much but I guess I learned my lesson and feel much better now.[/QUOTE]The other guys gave good answers. I just want you to know unequivocally that this was an attempted scam. ****** style. Even set up with an accomplice to set the trap. Congratulations for not falling for it.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;3049791]The other guys gave good answers. I just want you to know unequivocally that this was an attempted scam. ****** style. Even set up with an accomplice to set the trap. Congratulations for not falling for it.[/QUOTE]SA seems to be a haven for scammers. I've got a lot of hey send me money so I know your real, or pay me to travel to meet you. Crazy. One semi-succesful m&g so far, well see how things go.

This is a whole different ball game for sure. I'm going to have to hit this forum a bit more. I had a girl talk sugar before even meeting. Upon discussion of past amounts I've given out in a month she seemed offended and another who I did meet but no consumption is asking 3 x would I'd be looking at. I'd rather not get into sugar until a relationship is established.

I'm talking to someone right now who wants $300 for a M&G, no kissing or intimacy on the first date. Yeah, no thanks.

Haven't posted in several months. I haven't been active in SA or any other dating websites. The Bowl definitely helped my confidence. I've been having lots of success in face-to-face meets. I also kept the roster of SBs that I've been in touch with for over a year for meets on occasion. I tried establishing something ongoing, but 90% of these girls have problems that go beyond a pump and dump.

The LTR SB, turned SO is back in the picture after 6 months with no sugar. I attribute this to emotions getting involved after her move-in. For the guys still following we're still an item. We've been toying with getting a girlfriend that we can both share. Life is good.

I haven't met this one but did message her when she was first online and had the standard SB pitch. Now she puts it out there. No need to dance around with her desires.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/23140c4a-cb3d-3bb4-e8ef-751c00d0128d[/URL]

[QUOTE=Moohk;3049802]SA seems to be a haven for scammers. I've got a lot of hey send me money so I know your real, or pay me to travel to meet you. Crazy. One semi-succesful m&g so far, well see how things go.[/QUOTE]Hopefully the scammers and SBs who want $ for M&G are short lived. We need to stick together to weed them out quick.

[QUOTE=Moohk;3049939]This is a whole different ball game for sure. I'm going to have to hit this forum a bit more. I had a girl talk sugar before even meeting. Upon discussion of past amounts I've given out in a month she seemed offended and another who I did meet but no consumption is asking 3 x would I'd be looking at. I'd rather not get into sugar until a relationship is established.[/QUOTE]Sorry but main reason these girls are here is for financial help. They expect that from the initial FC meeting. Your not getting a test drive to see if there is a relationship pending. They can get all the dick they want from whoever they choose. Your paying for it if you want it and keep in mind it is what it is.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3051164]Sorry but main reason these girls are here is for financial help. They expect that from the initial FC meeting. Your not getting a test drive to see if there is a relationship pending. They can get all the dick they want from whoever they choose. Your paying for it if you want it and keep in mind it is what it is.[/QUOTE]That's not what I meant. I understand the game, but any guy here is foolish IMO to play cash first. It's very easy to get a sudden urgent text and jet, etc. However, I don't agree that it's not possible to run the test drive, that however is not my game. I'm not going to over pay market value and not actually connect with someone either. There is a give and take, there is what I'm willing to give initially and what I'm willing to give in time.

Also while there is always some schmuck to be scammed, I know plenty of alternatives that would cost less and be a better time. So the fact that they can get other guys doesn't affect my mindset at all. Paying a thousand allowance or agreeing to that before having any experience just seems silly to me.

I would like to ask you senior members with SOs what the longest lasting relationship is you have had with a baby. Feel free to PM if you prefer. I recall a post from someone that recently suggested a year of the bowl with a SO risks about a 50% chance of discovery. I am hoping to challenge those odds. A month+ in, I am extremely satisfied by my baby. The hottest woman I have ever touched. And I'd like this to continue for as long as she's interested. We are supposed to be exclusive (though, of course, I understand I am supposed to be exclusive with my SO. LOL) and are together once / week. The baby gets the room and everything is all cash from my end. We live an hour apart and meet in a city between. I follow all the safety guidance on this site, + more. How long, do you think, can this go on? Thanks in advance for all of your experience and wisdom, which has gotten me to a very happy place. Surprisingly the SO is quite happy with me and our relationship lately.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3047279]How do you guys address your ongoing babys? I can't come up with the right term. I'm trying to be nice / sweet to her, but she isn't my GF.[/QUOTE]I have sometimes used the term "part-time GF" or in a text referencing our relationship, FWB.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;3050170]Haven't posted in several months. I haven't been active in SA or any other dating websites. The Bowl definitely helped my confidence. I've been having lots of success in face-to-face meets. I also kept the roster of SBs that I've been in touch with for over a year for meets on occasion. I tried establishing something ongoing, but 90% of these girls have problems that go beyond a pump and dump.

The LTR SB, turned SO is back in the picture after 6 months with no sugar. I attribute this to emotions getting involved after her move-in. For the guys still following we're still an item. We've been toying with getting a girlfriend that we can both share. Life is good.[/QUOTE]I see this perspective. The rare sex I was having with my SO before getting in the bowl was bland as rice and I wasn't so confident going into the FC w / my baby. Now I know what is possible with a responsive partner, and I would hit a lot more with no worry. It also got my pharmaceutical game perfected.

[QUOTE=Moohk;3049802]SA seems to be a haven for scammers. I've got a lot of hey send me money so I know your real, or pay me to travel to meet you. Crazy. One semi-succesful m&g so far, well see how things go.[/QUOTE]If you have time on your hands, it's fun to play with these girls, or guys sitting behind that screen. Ask them to give you their address and name so you can Western Union, or their bank info so you can wire. Then tell them you just sent them money and ask them to check with bank to see if the money was received. Send them a fake transaction number and tell them to call their bank, etc. I once had a girl gone crazy all day with their bank trying to get money that was never sent. Basically wasted her day and drove her nut.

Yes, I am an evil dude. Lmao.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3051525]I would like to ask you senior members with SOs what the longest lasting relationship is you have had with a baby. Feel free to PM if you prefer. I recall a post from someone that recently suggested a year of the bowl with a SO risks about a 50% chance of discovery. I am hoping to challenge those odds. A month+ in, I am extremely satisfied by my baby. The hottest woman I have ever touched. And I'd like this to continue for as long as she's interested. We are supposed to be exclusive (though, of course, I understand I am supposed to be exclusive with my SO. LOL) and are together once / week. The baby gets the room and everything is all cash from my end. We live an hour apart and meet in a city between. I follow all the safety guidance on this site, + more. How long, do you think, can this go on? Thanks in advance for all of your experience and wisdom, which has gotten me to a very happy place. Surprisingly the SO is quite happy with me and our relationship lately.[/QUOTE]I have a 20 yr old I still fuck since last summer, and a 19 yr that I been fucking every week since earlier this year. All for $ per date and drive to my FC of choice. And they all admitted they are hooked on the D. There are girls out there that enjoy the fucking more than the $. They have jobs, they have cars, but their boyfriends can't make them cum.

I said keep fucking those young and tight pussies as long as you can, because they can disappear any time. As long as you cover your tracks.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;3051977]I have sometimes used the term "part-time GF" or in a text referencing our relationship, FWB.[/QUOTE]Thanks, ST, that's very helpful. I found somewhere online a compilation of 'love phrases' or some-such, and 'gorgeous' showed up as especially complimentary to a woman's ears. Not to mention my baby is truly a 10/10, so hell, I'm going with it.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3051525]I would like to ask you senior members with SOs what the longest lasting relationship is you have had with a baby. Feel free to PM if you prefer. I recall a post from someone that recently suggested a year of the bowl with a SO risks about a 50% chance of discovery. I am hoping to challenge those odds. A month+ in, I am extremely satisfied by my baby. The hottest woman I have ever touched. And I'd like this to continue for as long as she's interested. We are supposed to be exclusive (though, of course, I understand I am supposed to be exclusive with my SO. LOL) and are together once / week. The baby gets the room and everything is all cash from my end. We live an hour apart and meet in a city between. I follow all the safety guidance on this site, + more. How long, do you think, can this go on? Thanks in advance for all of your experience and wisdom, which has gotten me to a very happy place. Surprisingly the SO is quite happy with me and our relationship lately.[/QUOTE]To your primary question I will say 2 to 3 months of weekly dates. In my past year in the bowl I have had four examples, each of which I was convinced at the onset they would have evolved into a LTR of at least a year or so, but each time something happened to derail the arrangement (moved in with a BF, etc). 3 of the four reconnected with me after a few months, of which one has now known me for a year. Although I admit your current SB sounds like she is committed to a LTR to me a big key is whether they continue to go on-line with SA. That alone has been the more frustrating (psychologically) aspect of the bowl. I find a SB I really have fun with, visit once or maybe even twice a week and she says she is not seeing (or "sleeping") with any other SDs but continues to go online at SA. This may be more prevalent with my preferred profile of the 18 to 22 single girl; the single moms and the older (26 -32) SBs may be less inclined to "working the bowl. ".

As to the post regarding chance of SO discovery I had thought the post stated a 90% chance which at the time I had posted an agreement with. I got busted by my SO three weeks ago after a year of almost 30 SBs in the FC and prior to that a year and a half with about 35 different girls in the escort scene. I was in the FC typically twice a week with a rotation generally of 3 to 4 girls in the 18 to 24 age range. Both my SO and I work out of our house with separate businesses so I came up with just about every alibi you could think of. The escort scene is lower risk for discovery because you can get a half hour incall over and done with but the sugar bowl lends itself more to 2 to 4 hours with a hotel. Because of the hotel check-in time it can be difficult to get "home for dinner" if your hotel meet is in a town an hour or so away. Logistics can be tough if you are not able to stay overnight away from the SO. I was able to create an alibi staying in a hotel for business reasons one or two nights a week which allowed me to fully enjoy the luxury of a SB's company including overnights and also the occasional threesome date.

But I eventually got clumsy in spite of my carefully orchestrated routine, I left my computer on when I left for a 2 day "business trip" and my SO knew my password. Clumsy. The good news is she only discovered evidence of one recent SB relationship and also after a couple of days of being pissy with me has actually seemed to put it behind us, though a lot her initial anger was bc she found out the SB was 20 (she was actually a teenager for most of the 2 months I was with her). The bad news is my SO immediately called our 27 year old daughter to "share" the discovery and vent to her about my "affair with a 20 year old. " Our daughter lives a half hour away, when I met with her a couple of weeks later to talk about it she was very angry, especially with the age of the SB. My relationship with my daughter will probably never be the same and for the forum brothers with daughters you need to factor that into the downside risk of the bowl. But if you ask me whether it was worth the risk and outcome, I would say yes. And if you ask me whether I will continue to play in the bowl, I would also say yes. But following the advice given to me by Jeez, I will be "putting the bowl (fun) down" for a few months to allow for the SO to (hopefully) lower her antennae just a bit. Unfortunately I don't see me going back to one or two nights a week in a hotel, I just need to create a new M. O.

Thanks for that expansive reply. I do recall your situation. Actually, I posted at the time that my experience with SOs is that if you don't immediately disavow interest in continuing in the bowl, that relationship is history. I wish you a better outcome than that, but it is my realistic assessment. Your setup is more problematic than mine. I work not just out of the house but 30+ miles from home, meaning a killer Cali commute and common late arrivals at home. Helpful. I have also gotten cooperation from my baby who sometimes gets a room the night before and then we meet in the morning until checkout time.

On keeping the SO in the dark. Some people say 'my SO doesn't have access to this site or account' or whatever. I found that may not be enough. If suspicion arises, she may demand access to those sites to prove that nothing is going on. If you are unwilling to provide it, that is taken as evidence of impropriety. This happened in an earlier relationship with cell phone records from my business. Stonewalling was uncomfortable but my only course of action. This is why I *never* rely on what she can or can't access. I prefer to assure that if she does access it, by accident or request, there is nothing to be found. It is amazing all of the things that might be useful to indicate you weren't someplace and were some other place. Electronic tolls, for example. My biggest fear is something that places me in an odd city for no good reason, like a traffic ticket or accident or car breakdown.

I haven't myself gone onto SA to check if my SB is still using it. I believe that her close GF and she are 'sharing' a profile (the photo is very alluring and actually my baby, but reveals nothing unique) and it therefore might not be so informative to do so. I also don't want to be seen by her on there. Sort of a funny dance to be doing.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;3052055]To your primary question I will say 2 to 3 months of weekly dates. In my past year in the bowl I have had four examples, each of which I was convinced at the onset they would have evolved into a LTR of at least a year or so, but each time something happened to derail the arrangement (moved in with a BF, etc). 3 of the four reconnected with me after a few months, of which one has now known me for a year. Although I admit your current SB sounds like she is committed to a LTR to me a big key is whether they continue to go on-line with SA. That alone has been the more frustrating (psychologically) aspect of the bowl. I find a SB I really have fun with, visit once or maybe even twice a week and she says she is not seeing (or "sleeping") with any other SDs but continues to go online at SA. This may be more prevalent with my preferred profile of the 18 to 22 single girl; the single moms and the older (26 -32) SBs may be less inclined to "working the bowl. ".

As to the post regarding chance of SO discovery I had thought the post stated a 90% chance which at the time I had posted an agreement with. I got busted by my SO three weeks ago after a year of almost 30 SBs in the FC and prior to that a year and a half with about 35 different girls in the escort scene. I was in the FC typically twice a week with a rotation generally of 3 to 4 girls in the 18 to 24 age range. Both my SO and I work out of our house with separate businesses so I came up with just about every alibi you could think of. The escort scene is lower risk for discovery because you can get a half hour incall over and done with but the sugar bowl lends itself more to 2 to 4 hours with a hotel. Because of the hotel check-in time it can be difficult to get "home for dinner" if your hotel meet is in a town an hour or so away. Logistics can be tough if you are not able to stay overnight away from the SO. I was able to create an alibi staying in a hotel for business reasons one or two nights a week which allowed me to fully enjoy the luxury of a SB's company including overnights and also the occasional threesome date.

But I eventually got clumsy in spite of my carefully orchestrated routine, I left my computer on when I left for a 2 day "business trip" and my SO knew my password. Clumsy. The good news is she only discovered evidence of one recent SB relationship and also after a couple of days of being pissy with me has actually seemed to put it behind us, though a lot her initial anger was bc she found out the SB was 20 (she was actually a teenager for most of the 2 months I was with her). The bad news is my SO immediately called our 27 year old daughter to "share" the discovery and vent to her about my "affair with a 20 year old. " Our daughter lives a half hour away, when I met with her a couple of weeks later to talk about it she was very angry, especially with the age of the SB. My relationship with my daughter will probably never be the same and for the forum brothers with daughters you need to factor that into the downside risk of the bowl. But if you ask me whether it was worth the risk and outcome, I would say yes. And if you ask me whether I will continue to play in the bowl, I would also say yes. But following the advice given to me by Jeez, I will be "putting the bowl (fun) down" for a few months to allow for the SO to (hopefully) lower her antennae just a bit. Unfortunately I don't see me going back to one or two nights a week in a hotel, I just need to create a new M. O.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3051525]I would like to ask you senior members with SOs what the longest lasting relationship is you have had with a baby.[/QUOTE]I have been with my current SB for 2 years this month. On our first date she had a boyfriend and told me she could never be exclusive to a married man. 3 weeks later she broke up with the boyfriend and has been exclusive to me ever since. My bowl brother calls her my second wife, and that's not far from the truth. She is definitely the marrying type and one hell of a catch. She's under no illusions about our future together, she knows I'm not leaving the wife. But we are great together and we are going to enjoy it as long as it lasts. Our relationship is very stable. She's in no hurry, she doesn't want to get married until she's closer to 30. For now she gets a once a week overnight with a great guy who treats her extremely well, gives her plenty of attention and meets her physical needs far better than any of the boys she had been with before we met. For my part I have a gorgeous 23 year old co-ed who acts like I hang the moon, gives me constant attention every day and enthusiastically gives me the best sex of my life every time I see her. The sugar is minimal. I just help out with a few things every once in a while. She's happy. I'm happy. Life is good!

I know this has come up before, but having my SB in my life has made me a better husband. I used to walk around the house frustrated as hell and pissed off at the wife for denying me affection and intimacy. Now I am much more pleasant LOL.

As for precautions, I use Google Voice for all texting and calls. I use a separate snapchat login to send snaps to her. I haven't changed any of my patterns at home, which is the real key to success. I have been gone overnight with my work about once a week for the past 10 years. That pattern has served me very, very well in the bowl.

Prior to this relationship, my previous SB and I were together 13 months. I never had any issues with that one at home either. Long term relationships in the bowl are definitely possible. Just be careful, remain vigilant and never let your guard down.

[QUOTE=JoyDrop;3052532]I have been with my current SB for 2 years this month. On our first date she had a boyfriend and told me she could never be exclusive to a married man. 3 weeks later she broke up with the boyfriend and has been exclusive to me ever since. My bowl brother calls her my second wife, and that's not far from the truth. She is definitely the marrying type and one hell of a catch. She's under no illusions about our future together, she knows I'm not leaving the wife. But we are great together and we are going to enjoy it as long as it lasts. Our relationship is very stable. She's in no hurry, she doesn't want to get married until she's closer to 30. For now she gets a once a week overnight with a great guy who treats her extremely well, gives her plenty of attention and meets her physical needs far better than any of the boys she had been with before we met. For my part I have a gorgeous 23 year old co-ed who acts like I hang the moon, gives me constant attention every day and enthusiastically gives me the best sex of my life every time I see her. The sugar is minimal. I just help out with a few things every once in a while. She's happy. I'm happy. Life is good!

I know this has come up before, but having my SB in my life has made me a better husband. I used to walk around the house frustrated as hell and pissed off at the wife for denying me affection and intimacy. Now I am much more pleasant LOL.

As for precautions, I use Google Voice for all texting and calls. I use a separate snapchat login to send snaps to her. I haven't changed any of my patterns at home, which is the real key to success. I have been gone overnight with my work about once a week for the past 10 years. That pattern has served me very, very well in the bowl.

Prior to this relationship, my previous SB and I were together 13 months. I never had any issues with that one at home either. Long term relationships in the bowl are definitely possible. Just be careful, remain vigilant and never let your guard down.[/QUOTE]Is there a master post / source that tells all about GV in this context? I asked John G Smith, who did one in 2013, to update. You think that's better than a burner? Also, are you open about your I'd with your baby after all this time? Seems like you would. How did that happen? When you say remain vigilant, what does that entail? I agree that not doing anything outside normal patterns is key to not arousing the SO. I am establishing new patterns of, for example, going to my gym at times I can then exploit to be with my baby and then stop for a shower before heading home.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3052664]Is there a master post / source that tells all about GV in this context? I asked John G Smith, who did one in 2013, to update. You think that's better than a burner? Also, are you open about your I'd with your baby after all this time? Seems like you would. How did that happen? When you say remain vigilant, what does that entail? I agree that not doing anything outside normal patterns is key to not arousing the SO. I am establishing new patterns of, for example, going to my gym at times I can then exploit to be with my baby and then stop for a shower before heading home.[/QUOTE]I can't recommend Google Voice highly enough. As others in the thread have mentioned, getting caught with a burner phone is a sign that you're guilty of something, even if your SO doesn't know exactly what. With GV, you can set it to forward calls to your main line using your GV number on the caller I'd, so you don't have to worry about strange numbers coming up. You can forward texts as well, although I don't recommend it. The nice thing is you can use the phone app to 'go silent' and turn off all activity on your GV number. So if you know you're going to be with the SO for a while, you can have your phone around without worrying about what calls or texts might pop up. For my part I keep the badge icon off, so even if my phone buzzes with a new text, it's not obvious to anyone which app is responsible for the notification (although I know, of course). On iOS there is an unofficial app called GV Connect that provides PIN and / or Touch I'd protection, so that is an extra layer of security that would prevent the SO from opening the app and viewing my texts if she ever went through my phone. The problem with GV Connect is that the notifications don't work well, so I tend to leave the official app on to get real time notifications of new messages, but use GV Connect for messaging. The best thing you can do is just setup an account, download the app and start using it. It's very simple to learn how everything works by just experimenting with the options in the app and also in the web interface.

As for staying vigilant, I'm referring to what the guys in the military refer to as OpSec (operational security). Always take precautions (even when you think you don't need to), always be situationally aware of what's going on with the SO and what she's tuned into at any given time, always look over your shoulder, always have an excuse or alibi ready to go if you're not where you're supposed to be. Your SO can be placated by a plausible but unlikely alibi if it's delivered naturally and confidently like you have nothing to hide. Just this week I had some very noticeable scratches on my back from where my SB got a little carried away. I was careful to keep them covered at home until they healed, but had an explanation at the ready just in case. The riskiest thing I do is spend the night sometimes as hour or so away from where I'm "supposed" to be, so it would be problematic if I had a wreck or anything like that happen. So I just try to stay off the road and spend as much time shacked up in the hotel with my SB as I can.

Something I've done a couple of times by accident is leave a browser window open on my computer. I'll minimize a window with SA or my SD gmail account and forgot about it after getting busy with work. I returned home once to find that my wife had been on my computer, but fortunately hadn't noticed the minimized window. That was the closest call I've had. What I do now is very simple and effective: I switch over to Chrome as my browser when I need discretion and use the incognito tab feature. I have installed a GREAT extension called iCloser. It will automatically close incognito tabs after a defined period of inactivity. That has probably saved my a $$ several times since then.

The other thing I'd encourage you to do is to setup a Google account for all of your SD activity. Use gmail for emails, use GV for calls & texts, use Google Drive to save all of the pics your girl sends you. That way you keep nothing on your computer, there's nothing for your SO to find after you've closed your private browsing window.

If you want to keep photos on your phone, there is an outstanding app for iOS called Picture Safe by collect3. It lets you keep your private photos protected by a PIN. The killer feature is that is lets you use a *second* PIN that opens a separate collection of photos, so if the wife ever snooped my phone and asked me what I was hiding, I can pop in the second pin and show her a small collection of photos of HER. Very, very nice.

Finally, you asked about whether my SB knows my real identity. I have been extremely careful to not to expose my name to the girls I've seen in the past. Even the girl that I saw for 13 months never knew my real name (she thinks she does, of course). But my current SB is very smart, very mature and very stable. She is as dependable and trustworthy as they come. I trust her, so I decided I would tell her after we had been seeing each other for a year. Keep in mind that's a year's worth of overnights and constant contact every day, so it's fair to say that we knew each other well and were close. It wasn't a decision I made lightly. But quite frankly, I was tired of having to make sure I got up first every morning to get the folio statement the hotel slides under your door in the morning, etc. It was always a pain when she wanted to use the hotel wifi and she couldn't get my sugar name to work when she tried to login. Stupid stuff like that. As it turned out, I didn't have the chance to tell her myself. One night I was staying at a Hampton Inn and was in the shower when she arrived, so when she didn't get a text back with my room number in a timely manner, she went to the front desk and asked an employee. She knew my real first name of course, but my sugar last name is very similar to my real last name. Close enough evidently that the hotel employee said "well I don't see a Jim Booker, but there's a Jim Baker in room 212" . You get the idea. So my cover was blown. She gave me a little good natured grief about it but was otherwise very nonchalant. She understood I had good cause to be discrete and wasn't offended at all. I just asked her not to tell any of her friends that knew about me my real name, which she readily agreed to do. That was almost a year ago and has never been an issue since.

That brings up another good point I should make about operational security. I have my real Facebook profile locked down so you can only see my name and profile picture if you're not a friend. I have done the same with my wife's profile. Occasionally she'll post pics from her phone that she tags me in and leaves them visible to the public, so I periodically go in and use the Facebook tool that lets you view pages as the public sees them to verify that there aren't any leaks. I also have a fake Facebook profile under my sugar name that is locked down as well. That way anyone looking for my sugar identity will "find" me and stop looking.

One final point about Facebook that a lot of SD's don't seem to be aware of. If you constantly check another user's profile, Facebook will eventually suggest you to that other person as a friend they may know. Put another way, BROWSING OTHER PROFILES IS NOT ANONYMOUS. Think about that for a second. If you are logged in under your real profile and you constantly check your SB's profile, she will get a friend suggestion with your real name on it. I have verified this first hand. So the best thing you can do is use either your sugar profile to keep up with your SB, or even better, use a 3rd profile for research purposes. My 3rd profile is actually setup as a girl, that way it doesn't arouse any suspicion when I check the same profiles over and over again.

I think that's about it. Hopefully some of this helps. Let me know if you have any questions!

JD.

I blocked this one kept sending messages and asking for money without a visit.

Got too many to count these days, swear went through almost 10 in 6 months, yes I know I am a serial dater.

But I haven't had anyone over 25 so far, newly texting a 40+ yr old lately seems to be dragging on the meet.

Had 22 yr old college drop out so damn sexy, did FC twice but she is hooked on something, had to block her. Still has the contact info, planning on using her in the future occasionally.

Now I still see some of my regular once once in a while for nostalgic reasons and to keep them as reserves. Always in search of younger and newer, get bored of the same one easily. Sorry.

I have tons of leads in NOVA, there is a list going around if you contribute you get a copy, some of you should participate.

Guess whose back, my ATF will be seeing her today, Scarlett!!

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3050583]I haven't met this one but did message her when she was first online and had the standard SB pitch. Now she puts it out there. No need to dance around with her desires.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/23140c4a-cb3d-3bb4-e8ef-751c00d0128d[/URL][/QUOTE]

Is there anyone having prepaid issues again? I've tried three methods, OneVanilla Visa, OneVanilla Mastercard, and a Visa Gift Card. The OneVanilla through paypal guest worked last time, but am hitting a snag this time. I followed M9999's method on the paypal guest again this time but with no joy. Any intel?

Is there anyone having prepaid issues again? I've tried three methods, OneVanilla Visa, OneVanilla Mastercard, and a Visa Gift Card. The OneVanilla through paypal guest worked last time, but am hitting a snag this time. I followed M9999's method on the paypal guest again this time but with no joy. Any intel? I also saw where some called customer service and they took it right then successfully, but for the life of me. I can't track down a number.

[QUOTE=JoyDrop;3053310]I can't recommend Google Voice highly enough. As others in the thread have mentioned, getting caught with a burner phone is a sign that you're guilty of something, even if your SO doesn't know exactly what. [/QUOTE]Eh, if true secrecy is the goal, I suggest it isn't a question of which one, rather it should be BOTH! GV layered on top of a burner! This gives you advantages: 1) First layer of protection is Block the person with GV, second layer is DUMP the GV # and start over and third level of protection is dump the burner and start over with new number & GV #. 2) It is easier to "compartmentalize" when there is a physical difference between the worlds. 3) Have known guys who leave the GV open or running during family time to only have to "explain things" when contacts come at the wrong time. It is easier when the Sugar phone is turned off. If one always has a alibi set up for where there are, why wouldn't it be as easy to have one for the burner? Again, and explanation delivered in a calm manner usually quells things.

Otherwise good advice and "how to" on GV. Also like your comments on OpSec: can NEVER let your guard down. EVER!

[QUOTE=JoyDrop;3053310]The other thing I'd encourage you to do is to setup a Google account for all of your SD activity. Use gmail for emails, use GV for calls & texts, use Google Drive to save all of the pics your girl sends you. That way you keep nothing on your computer, there's nothing for your SO to find after you've closed your private browsing window.[/QUOTE]Here is another place where I differ a bit. Thought I saw where you were using Chrome? Google and all of its offspring are master trackers. After all that is their bread & butter. I strongly suggest using a VPN or VPN style browser such as Tor. It works on PC, Mac & Android. Probably works on iPhone too? It is based on Firefox, so suspect apps that do the same things are available. No point in leaving IP bread crumbs laying around.

[QUOTE=JoyDrop;3053310]One final point about Facebook that a lot of SD's don't seem to be aware of. If you constantly check another user's profile, Facebook will eventually suggest you to that other person as a friend they may know. Put another way, BROWSING OTHER PROFILES IS NOT ANONYMOUS. Think about that for a second. If you are logged in under your real profile and you constantly check your SB's profile, she will get a friend suggestion with your real name on it. I have verified this first hand. So the best thing you can do is use either your sugar profile to keep up with your SB, or even better, use a 3rd profile for research purposes. My 3rd profile is actually setup as a girl, that way it doesn't arouse any suspicion when I check the same profiles over and over again.[/QUOTE]How does one set up multiple profiles on FB? Are the ones you have set up several years ago?

Any tips for trying to transition off of SA to other forms of contact? Is better to wait till after m&g? I'd prefer to transition off as quickly as possible, it's highly tedious.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3054635]Eh, if true secrecy is the goal, I suggest it isn't a question of which one, rather it should be BOTH! GV layered on top of a burner! This gives you advantages: 1) First layer of protection is Block the person with GV, second layer is DUMP the GV # and start over and third level of protection is dump the burner and start over with new number & GV #. 2) It is easier to "compartmentalize" when there is a physical difference between the worlds. 3) Have known guys who leave the GV open or running during family time to only have to "explain things" when contacts come at the wrong time. It is easier when the Sugar phone is turned off. If one always has a alibi set up for where there are, why wouldn't it be as easy to have one for the burner? Again, and explanation delivered in a calm manner usually quells things.

Otherwise good advice and "how to" on GV. Also like your comments on OpSec: can NEVER let your guard down. EVER!

Here is another place where I differ a bit. Thought I saw where you were using Chrome? Google and all of its offspring are master trackers. After all that is their bread & butter. I strongly suggest using a VPN or VPN style browser such as Tor. It works on PC, Mac & Android. Probably works on iPhone too? It is based on Firefox, so suspect apps that do the same things are available. No point in leaving IP bread crumbs laying around.

How does one set up multiple profiles on FB? Are the ones you have set up several years ago?[/QUOTE]One issue you may find with tor is certain websites that they rely on specific code to run. You may have trouble looking into some websites etc, you maybe able to tweak some settings but everything comes with a cost.