Just saw another ad of hers this afternoon. She is still crying the blues about no one coming to see her. I think she has pretty much worn out her welcome in Cleveland area. I have no idea why she won't move on.
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Just saw another ad of hers this afternoon. She is still crying the blues about no one coming to see her. I think she has pretty much worn out her welcome in Cleveland area. I have no idea why she won't move on.
[QUOTE=ChristianSin;5570940]I suspected the ad was fake even before I read about the councilman who I learned about earlier today from a friend.[/QUOTE]Sure looks like the type of fake ad theyve been using, only with explicit photos this time. According to other reviews from a guy on the Ak boards posting explicit photos is now OK for them to do and fair game, long as they arent posting a pic of them sucking a cock or fucking.
What police force is this?
[QUOTE=GoatOhio;5571252]What police force is this?[/QUOTE]Cuyahoga co human trafficking task force.
[QUOTE=DoomiePlz;5570874]Whoa what is this what's your price site? Is it the new SA? Never seen a link to it till now. Looks kinda legit tho.[/QUOTE]WYP is the sister site to Seeking. You will typically see the same girls on either site. Difference being on WYP you offer money upfront and they accept or decline. Of course you have no idea what you are making an offer for. $200 is that meeting for a drink? A quick f at #& or a holding hands after bible class. It's dumb. If they accept you pay purchased points. The more you offered the more you pay to find out you dont have the same thing in mind..
A while ago, someone asked whether anyone had gone to see Natalie since she had her leg amputated. I don't recall ever seeing any replies. Hasn't anyone paid her a visit?
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[QUOTE=ChristianSin;5570940]I suspected the ad was fake even before I read about the councilman who I learned about earlier today from a friend.[/QUOTE]It was a little odd that the newspaper didn't say how he was busted. Usually the say if it was from an ad. I'm guessing they didn't say it was from ad because they are hoping to get more guys.
[QUOTE=Chunks92;5571078]The key element with these modern stings ever since the law passed is that they can track the guy through their cell phone, and the arrests are performed immediately now, either with the cops dragging the guy out of the car or the room is full of cops upon entering the hotel room, with no decoy or offer made such as in past operations. I have yet to figure out how exactly they do this tracking thing although I am trying. The first example of this was the 2nd akron sting, they actually arrested a guy 23 miles from the sting house if you look at the arrest location it was a random address in the middle of the road. My speculation is that he got close, left, and then they went and found him. You would have to literally have your finger on the burn button for an app or just be prepared to discard your phone altogether. Ironically its my belief that their illegal arrests actually help the guy out when it comes to court, if they waited for an offer the guy would be convicted, but because they are now arresting illegally before the guy even does anything wrong over half the guys in that sting for example got dismissed, and the rest reduced. at the end of the day there is nothing illegal about meeting a woman online.[/QUOTE]OK, so a question about tracking a phone.
My understanding is that every 10 seconds or so cellphones send out a signal, lets call it a "ping. ".
This ping gets picked up by every cell tower in range and enables the phone to establish its position in the system so that calls to it are routed to the nearest tower. So, therefore the system constantly has the location of every cellphone in the world, (yes, it is essentially a worldwide system) in its memory banks.
Included in this data is the very precise direction from which the signal came. 2 or at the most 3 pieces of data from separate towers can then be used to triangulate the location of the phone, and the more towers in an area like a city, the more precise the location will be. The gestapo can get this data from the transmission companies without too much difficulty, and if they have the equipment they can pinpoint the location of a phone very precisely in real time. They can also access data that tells where that phone has been for who the hell knows how far back, months at the least, probably years.
So from this we can see that the only way to not be tracked is to turn the phone off. And, I believe that even when its turned off the phone continues to send this ping. That tells me that you must remove the battery from the phone to really turn it off.
Using 2 separate phones can solve this problem, 1 to set up the date then leave it somewhere, and another to confirm address and so on if you must do that.
My solution to this problem, I'm very careful about what I say on the phone, I'm just picking a girl up for a dinner date. I don't use the woman's facilities, I always get a room. Of course, they are now using the mere reply to an ad as probable cause to arrest, so since the phone you used to reply to the ad isn't with you it can't be used as an inference. And if you get the addy and set the time then you shouldn't have to confirm, if she ghosts on you that's the price of the game which we must accept.
Cheech1
[QUOTE=Cheech1;5571911]OK, so a question about tracking a phone.
My understanding is that every 10 seconds or so cellphones send out a signal, lets call it a "ping. ".
This ping gets picked up by every cell tower in range and enables the phone to establish its position in the system so that calls to it are routed to the nearest tower. So, therefore the system constantly has the location of every cellphone in the world, (yes, it is essentially a worldwide system) in its memory banks.
Included in this data is the very precise direction from which the signal came. 2 or at the most 3 pieces of data from separate towers can then be used to triangulate the location of the phone, and the more towers in an area like a city, the more precise the location will be. The gestapo can get this data from the transmission companies without too much difficulty, and if they have the equipment they can pinpoint the location of a phone very precisely in real time. They can also access data that tells where that phone has been for who the hell knows how far back, months at the least, probably years.
So from this we can see that the only way to not be tracked is to turn the phone off. And, I believe that even when its turned off the phone continues to send this ping. That tells me that you must remove the battery from the phone to really turn it off.
Using 2 separate phones can solve this problem, 1 to set up the date then leave it somewhere, and another to confirm address and so on if you must do that.
My solution to this problem, I'm very careful about what I say on the phone, I'm just picking a girl up for a dinner date. I don't use the woman's facilities, I always get a room. Of course, they are now using the mere reply to an ad as probable cause to arrest, so since the phone you used to reply to the ad isn't with you it can't be used as an inference. And if you get the addy and set the time then you shouldn't have to confirm, if she ghosts on you that's the price of the game which we must accept.
Cheech1[/QUOTE]Excellent plan, especially with women who may reluctantly go along with a sting to have charges, I. E. , possession or anything else, reduced and since there seems to be a considerable amount of substance use I have frequently thought about such a possibility.
[QUOTE=Cheech1;5571911]OK, so a question about tracking a phone.
My understanding is that every 10 seconds or so cellphones send out a signal, lets call it a "ping. ".
This ping gets picked up by every cell tower in range and enables the phone to establish its position in the system so that calls to it are routed to the nearest tower. So, therefore the system constantly has the location of every cellphone in the world, (yes, it is essentially a worldwide system) in its memory banks.
Included in this data is the very precise direction from which the signal came. 2 or at the most 3 pieces of data from separate towers can then be used to triangulate the location of the phone, and the more towers in an area like a city, the more precise the location will be. The gestapo can get this data from the transmission companies without too much difficulty, and if they have the equipment they can pinpoint the location of a phone very precisely in real time. They can also access data that tells where that phone has been for who the hell knows how far back, months at the least, probably years.
So from this we can see that the only way to not be tracked is to turn the phone off. And, I believe that even when its turned off the phone continues to send this ping. That tells me that you must remove the battery from the phone to really turn it off.
Using 2 separate phones can solve this problem, 1 to set up the date then leave it somewhere, and another to confirm address and so on if you must do that.
My solution to this problem, I'm very careful about what I say on the phone, I'm just picking a girl up for a dinner date. I don't use the woman's facilities, I always get a room. Of course, they are now using the mere reply to an ad as probable cause to arrest, so since the phone you used to reply to the ad isn't with you it can't be used as an inference. And if you get the addy and set the time then you shouldn't have to confirm, if she ghosts on you that's the price of the game which we must accept.
Cheech1[/QUOTE]Turning off a cell phone will not stop it from sending out a location in the case of most phones. It is necessary to remove the battery then the phone has no power to send location data.
[QUOTE=Rafter17;5571894]It was a little odd that the newspaper didn't say how he was busted. Usually the say if it was from an ad. I'm guessing they didn't say it was from ad because they are hoping to get more guys.[/QUOTE]Brief story on 19 news about it last night said it was a sting operation, but no further info.
[QUOTE=ChristianSin;5572484]Excellent plan, especially with women who may reluctantly go along with a sting to have charges, I. E. , possession or anything else, reduced and since there seems to be a considerable amount of substance use I have frequently thought about such a possibility.[/QUOTE]I can think of several ladies right off top of my head that we all here have seen that would probably do such a thing. Others not so much. But you still never know. All of them are guilty until proven innocent in that department is the way I look at that scenario.
[QUOTE=Chunks92;5571078]The key element with these modern stings ever since the law passed is that they can track the guy through their cell phone, and the arrests are performed immediately now, either with the cops dragging the guy out of the car or the room is full of cops upon entering the hotel room, with no decoy or offer made such as in past operations. I have yet to figure out how exactly they do this tracking thing although I am trying. The first example of this was the 2nd akron sting, they actually arrested a guy 23 miles from the sting house if you look at the arrest location it was a random address in the middle of the road. My speculation is that he got close, left, and then they went and found him. You would have to literally have your finger on the burn button for an app or just be prepared to discard your phone altogether. Ironically its my belief that their illegal arrests actually help the guy out when it comes to court, if they waited for an offer the guy would be convicted, but because they are now arresting illegally before the guy even does anything wrong over half the guys in that sting for example got dismissed, and the rest reduced. at the end of the day there is nothing illegal about meeting a woman online.[/QUOTE]I wonder if they track burner apps too. Probably if they are going to the trouble to track actual cell phones. Sounds like if they want to get you then they will.
And yes, when I am meeting someone new I often have my finger on the burner uninstall as I approach but I get super paranoid and nervous.
[QUOTE=CleveLoser;5572786]I wonder if they track burner apps too. Probably if they are going to the trouble to track actual cell phones. Sounds like if they want to get you then they will.
And yes, when I am meeting someone new I often have my finger on the burner uninstall as I approach but I get super paranoid and nervous.[/QUOTE]And for all of us to keep in mind, newer cars are trackable as well.
Off topic from all the other shit got to see Britney this afternoon. No drama, no sign of any of the other bad things that had been mentioned. BBBJ CFS.
No better feeling then scoring while everything that has been going on is going on.
C92.
[QUOTE=MisterJao;5571857]A while ago, someone asked whether anyone had gone to see Natalie since she had her leg amputated. I don't recall ever seeing any replies. Hasn't anyone paid her a visit?
[URL]https://cleveland.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/im-back/029429572896[/URL][/QUOTE]She was one of my regulars. I've been out of circulation for a while but I m considering giving her a try. I'll let you know if I pull the trigger. She's a good kid.
I was nervous about it. But I'm sure that she's having a rough time. She always treated me right, so I reached out and sent her a gift.
[QUOTE=MisterJao;5571857]A while ago, someone asked whether anyone had gone to see Natalie since she had her leg amputated. I don't recall ever seeing any replies. Hasn't anyone paid her a visit?
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I have known several women who are in the business and who also engage in low level dealing to help support their habits. And I'm not talking about nun's suspenders, LOL.
They would score several decks of dope from their dealer and then resell them on the street to make some extra money. So I'm sure they get popped from time to time, and so if that happens its not just a possession, its possession with intent to distribute which of course means real jail time, especially if she has a sheet. She might be afraid to rat out a dealer since she knows she will be back on the street at some point, but you can bet your ass the pigs will find it much easier to use her in a sting. And she will not be afraid of retribution from guys like us.
Thats why when you're out in the environment you have to take precautions, even with a known provider, especially if you know that she has a habit.
Cheech.
You do not have to remove the battery. Every phone has a location device setting. Turning it off stops the phone from being located. Its basically your gps of the phone.
[QUOTE=Jimmy5;5572547]Turning off a cell phone will not stop it from sending out a location in the case of most phones. It is necessary to remove the battery then the phone has no power to send location data.[/QUOTE]
Just a heads up Tina from lake county is in lake county jail for drugs and soliciting so be careful out there guys.
[QUOTE=ChristianSin;5572837]And for all of us to keep in mind, newer cars are trackable as well.[/QUOTE]Everything is trackable. It's just if this unit is actually doing it.
[QUOTE=BudBowl2001;5573193]You do not have to remove the battery. Every phone has a location device setting. Turning it off stops the phone from being located. Its basically your gps of the phone.[/QUOTE]Not exactly. Sure no GPS means no exact data but anytime your phone is on its pinging cell towers. Know what towers you ping gives your approximate location which is what LEO uses most of the time.
[QUOTE=BudBowl2001;5573193]You do not have to remove the battery. Every phone has a location device setting. Turning it off stops the phone from being located. Its basically your gps of the phone.[/QUOTE]This is incorrect.
I don't know about the battery part, but turning off your location services only does that.
Your phone will still track, but it will do it with WIFI, even if you are not connected to that hotspot. The phone will ping the WIFI, and the WIFI will ping back asking for a password, or to connect if there is no password.
As soon as you are back in a WIFI where you have access (home, work, starbucks if you have saved the login) Google / Apple will upload all the data your phone can send it.
I suppose if you are in the middle of nowhere in the forest your post is true, but if you are in any sort of civilization, it is not the case.
I keep reading about the talk about stings and so forth and feel that a lot of you are overdoing it. If you're married, in my opinion you shouldn't be out playing in the first place. If Inwere ever to be involved in a sting a would just keep my mouth shut and let it go at that.
[QUOTE=Fuzzyek;5573799]I keep reading about the talk about stings and so forth and feel that a lot of you are overdoing it. If you're married, in my opinion you shouldn't be out playing in the first place. If Inwere ever to be involved in a sting a would just keep my mouth shut and let it go at that.[/QUOTE]I will lead by saying I'm single. I will follow that up by saying its not the stings themselves, its the concept of how they are conducting them, arresting with no evidence. Basically it is a limitation on our freedoms. If they keep doing it the way they are doing I wouldn't be suprised if next, they try to infringe on adults meeting each other for dating on websites and stuff like that. If they start doing that it could ensnare completely innocent people, which in my opinion and the opinion of the courts it already has, as many of the cases are dismissed. Take the time to think about their tactics and how they were in 2014-2016 as to where they are today and you will understand what I'm talking about.
Ok, without going into specifics of the what I do I will say that everything outside of how cellphones ping towers in this thread is 100% wrong.
At least for phones made after 2010 ish.
Take an iPhone or Android after that time and turn it off, it's not pinging a damn thing or sending a signal at all. IPhones more than android are anal and security conscious.
The tech to track a phone outside the carrier giving them info all required a warrant, cops on a sting don't have a warrant to just Willy Nilly track X number of guys phones because of human trafficking or prostitution.
I'm not sure what crazy sitcom or conspiracy theory website you got they can track you while your phone is off for these purposes and not terrorism or something on par to it, but stop spreading fake news.
Can the government track your phone while it's off, sure if they have a warrant and your did something very heinous, ie more than human trafficking and prostitution. Like murder or worse type of shit. But is some rando police task force going to have that much juice sitting in a hotel room or stake out house? Nope.
Now, if you get caught by the cops for anything, shut the fuck up, don't talk to them and ask for your attorney. If they ask if they can search your shit, say no. If they stay they will hold you for 72 hours "because they can" they can try it but their higher ups will demand they boot you IF you even end up in a cell in the first place.
9/10 times people get caught up by the cops they self incriminate themselves, just shut the fuck up and use your right to remain silent.
Trust me when I say I have experience in all of this.
Now let's get back to the pussy, there is a media reports thread for all the worrying folks, go out, see some ****** and report back so we know if she's good or not.
That is all.
[QUOTE=BudBowl2001;5573193]You do not have to remove the battery. Every phone has a location device setting. Turning it off stops the phone from being located. Its basically your gps of the phone.[/QUOTE]The law requires all cell phones to report your position (within 100 feet I believe) when you call 911. Turning off the location function does not and can not change this.
[QUOTE=Asmoth;5574450]Ok, without going into specifics of the what I do I will say that everything outside of how cellphones ping towers in this thread is 100% wrong.
At least for phones made after 2010 ish.
Take an iPhone or Android after that time and turn it off, it's not pinging a damn thing or sending a signal at all. IPhones more than android are anal and security conscious.
The tech to track a phone outside the carrier giving them info all required a warrant, cops on a sting don't have a warrant to just Willy Nilly track X number of guys phones because of human trafficking or prostitution.
I'm not sure what crazy sitcom or conspiracy theory website you got they can track you while your phone is off for these purposes and not terrorism or something on par to it, but stop spreading fake news.
Can the government track your phone while it's off, sure if they have a warrant and your did something very heinous, ie more than human trafficking and prostitution. Like murder or worse type of shit. But is some rando police task force going to have that much juice sitting in a hotel room or stake out house? Nope.
Now, if you get caught by the cops for anything, shut the fuck up, don't talk to them and ask for your attorney. If they ask if they can search your shit, say no. If they stay they will hold you for 72 hours "because they can" they can try it but their higher ups will demand they boot you IF you even end up in a cell in the first place.
9/10 times people get caught up by the cops they self incriminate themselves, just shut the fuck up and use your right to remain silent.
Trust me when I say I have experience in all of this.
Now let's get back to the pussy, there is a media reports thread for all the worrying folks, go out, see some ****** and report back so we know if she's good or not.
That is all.[/QUOTE]Great post thanks. Going to find some pussy today! LOL.
[QUOTE=Asmoth;5574450]Ok, without going into specifics of the what I do I will say that everything outside of how cellphones ping towers in this thread is 100% wrong.
At least for phones made after 2010 ish.
Take an iPhone or Android after that time and turn it off, it's not pinging a damn thing or sending a signal at all. IPhones more than android are anal and security conscious.
The tech to track a phone outside the carrier giving them info all required a warrant, cops on a sting don't have a warrant to just Willy Nilly track X number of guys phones because of human trafficking or prostitution.
I'm not sure what crazy sitcom or conspiracy theory website you got they can track you while your phone is off for these purposes and not terrorism or something on par to it, but stop spreading fake news.
Can the government track your phone while it's off, sure if they have a warrant and your did something very heinous, ie more than human trafficking and prostitution. Like murder or worse type of shit. But is some rando police task force going to have that much juice sitting in a hotel room or stake out house? Nope.
Now, if you get caught by the cops for anything, shut the fuck up, don't talk to them and ask for your attorney. If they ask if they can search your shit, say no. If they stay they will hold you for 72 hours "because they can" they can try it but their higher ups will demand they boot you IF you even end up in a cell in the first place.
9/10 times people get caught up by the cops they self incriminate themselves, just shut the fuck up and use your right to remain silent.
Trust me when I say I have experience in all of this.
Now let's get back to the pussy, there is a media reports thread for all the worrying folks, go out, see some ****** and report back so we know if she's good or not.
That is all.[/QUOTE]Great post thanks. Pussy hunt today LOL.
Always appreciate the reports.
Here is my regular, some of you guys waste time and add risk looking for a unicorn.
I accept reality and like big tits.
Have never had a problem setting up a date, on short notice with her.
Tell her "Michigan Weed" sent you.
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I don't have data to support my statements about tracking except for what I've read over the last years, however I do believe the phones ping even when turned off.
Now, I understand this site is for finding pussy, but I think its important for us to discuss tactics for avoiding problems. Yeah, if you get popped of course the rule is to shut the fuck up and say nothing, but its even better to not get popped in the first place.
Cheech.
[QUOTE=Cheech1;5574763]I don't have data to support my statements about tracking except for what I've read over the last years, however I do believe the phones ping even when turned off.
Now, I understand this site is for finding pussy, but I think its important for us to discuss tactics for avoiding problems. Yeah, if you get popped of course the rule is to shut the fuck up and say nothing, but its even better to not get popped in the first place.
Cheech.[/QUOTE]We need to share dos and don't so we stay out of stings.
I'd like to know if possible what the senior member walked into and how deceived.
Any explanation would be great to help others.
Be safe.
Goat.
[QUOTE=Rafter17;5570933]I'm not sure if this one is legit or LEO. She asked me what I wanted specifically and how long which raised some red flags. I ended up telling her something came up and I wasn't going to be able to see her that day. I'm don't know if this is related about Elyria councilman getting arrested since they don't give any details or just a coincidence.
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[URL]https://chroniclet.com/news/276735/elyria-councilman-mark-jessie-arrested-charged-with-soliciting-prostitution/[/URL][/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure this is the ad that Elyria used. I was told an apartment near downtown Elyria when I was texting with them. The newspaper this morning said it was in the 300 block of Washington ave. There is an apartment building in that block. Glad I went with my gut and didn't go there since it wasn't feeling right.
There are a few ways to track phones that LE would might use. GPS and Device I'd are the two most likely. If they are spoofing a cell tower (using a stingray) or other tech that logs the actual device I'd, turning off GPS will not help. Any time the phone pings a cell tower it will give away an approximate position. You'd have to switch phones during your shopping trip in order to evade tracking and depending on what apps you used and how they are tracking you, even that might not be fool proof.
[QUOTE=Cheech1;5574763]I don't have data to support my statements about tracking except for what I've read over the last years, however I do believe the phones ping even when turned off.
Now, I understand this site is for finding pussy, but I think its important for us to discuss tactics for avoiding problems. Yeah, if you get popped of course the rule is to shut the fuck up and say nothing, but its even better to not get popped in the first place.
Cheech.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Asmoth;5574450]some rando police task force going to have that much juice sitting in a hotel room or stake out house? Nope.[/QUOTE]I'm no expert, but I will say these are not "random" task forces and even if they are local, and there is nothing preventing an industrious rookie cop from searching the internet and learning that for a few thousand you can make your own stingray and track who ever you want. Most likely they either purchased a system (six figure price tag) or are using a more low-tech tracker. Stingray use has not been reported in Ohio ([URL]https://www.aclu.org/issues/privacy-technology/surveillance-technologies/stingray-tracking-devices-whos-got-them[/URL]) but that doesn't mean they are not using them or that FBI or other task forces that have the tech are not working with local LE. The need for a warrant would be to lookup your identity based on the cell tracking. They can use the tech and track you all day as an "anonymous" monger and get your I'd once they have you in custody.
Either way, you are not Jason borne and if you are in a situation where you are soliciting and being tracked by LE no matter what method they use, you're not going to get out of it.
[QUOTE=Cheech1;5574763]I don't have data to support my statements about tracking except for what I've read over the last years, however I do believe the phones ping even when turned off.
Now, I understand this site is for finding pussy, but I think its important for us to discuss tactics for avoiding problems. Yeah, if you get popped of course the rule is to shut the fuck up and say nothing, but its even better to not get popped in the first place.
Cheech.[/QUOTE]It depends on what you mean by "turned off." If a phone is simply turned off by hitting the button to close the screen, it is still on. Apps still work in the background and the phone communicates with towers. If the phone is "powered off," that is a whole different story. If you "power off" shut down the phone, it no longer communicates until you reboot.
[QUOTE=Deton8;5574490]The law requires all cell phones to report your position (within 100 feet I believe) when you call 911. Turning off the location function does not and can not change this.[/QUOTE]There is a difference between a cell tower ping and a GPS location. A cell tower ping accuracy will vary greatly, depending on the number of towers and signal strength. Location by the GPS in a phone is completely different, and to do that the GPS function must be turned on.
This may help some of you.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-Sb7e0ZT4k[/URL]
But I have seen where your phone can be tracked even when your phone is off no matter what your setting are.
[QUOTE=LenDavid;5575095]This may help some of you.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-Sb7e0ZT4k[/URL]
But I have seen where your phone can be tracked even when your phone is off no matter what your setting are.[/QUOTE]Just get a faraday bag for your phone if one is this paranoid.
[QUOTE=CleWhoreMonger;5574759]Always appreciate the reports.
Here is my regular, some of you guys waste time and add risk looking for a unicorn.
I accept reality and like big tits.
Have never had a problem setting up a date, on short notice with her.
Tell her "Michigan Weed" sent you.
[URL]https://cleveland.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/late-night-speciallets-get-tog/784931350814[/URL][/QUOTE]I second this. Have had a great time with her before.