"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=FScott;3018842]Dude,

What's with all the foot dragging? She seems like a totally fuckable HYB! Set up the m&g, bring along FC funds and condoms, and go for it. To my eye, she is HOT with two T's, and seems to like getting fucked by older guys. She even mentions her Daddy in her twitter posts. This is the proverbial fish in a barrel in my opinion. I'd drive down there myself if I could spare the time!

Report back with details of your success.

Scott.[/QUOTE]Had an M&G scheduled and then she cancelled the morning of. Then a couple of hours later she starts texting that she really wants to reschedule ASAP. Now she seems to have cold feet. I can't tie her down. That's why I was just trying to see if anyone has actually been able to actually meet. I'm starting to think she's a tease. But I'm with you. She's smoking hot and seems ready to go. It's the only reason I've made so much effort. I'll keep you posted.

Starkey.

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3019558]Not my area so not interested in that one in particular, but just wondering what techniques you used to track all of her info like that? I can sometimes get face etc. With a number but that's usually all?[/QUOTE]TC. Look back at my posts and you will see a thread from a couple of months ago where several of us shared techniques for research.

Starkey.

[QUOTE=Cabsauv1997;3019091]Don't seem to be able to edit my post, sorry. I only shared the twitter so you'd see that she's claiming going off to school. I contacted her and she said she was staying. I think when she saw that I could see she was posting conflicting info, she flaked. Also recently deleted her snapchat.[/QUOTE]I think you were blocked. I'm still seeing Snaps from her on a regular basis. If you indicated you were following her on social media by discussing info she didn't tell you, she probably figured out who you were and blocked you.

Starkey.

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;3020806]Had an M&G scheduled and then she cancelled the morning of. Then a couple of hours later she starts texting that she really wants to reschedule ASAP. Now she seems to have cold feet. I can't tie her down. That's why I was just trying to see if anyone has actually been able to actually meet. I'm starting to think she's a tease. But I'm with you. She's smoking hot and seems ready to go. It's the only reason I've made so much effort. I'll keep you posted.

Starkey.[/QUOTE]Brother Stark,

This is new and crucial intel. NOW I'm thinking one of two things: this girl is either a UTR pro, or just likes jerking guys around instead of jerking them off. The last minute cancellations, followed by the protestations that she "really wants to reschedule" is a warning bell to me. I chased a similar little bunny a few years back to no avail. If she is UTR, she'll go for the John in the Hand over the Meet for Coffee John in the Bush in an instant.

I think you need to rely on your local brothers for additional insight, but for what it's worth, this one now seems like mostly effort, and very little, if any, reward.

I hope I'm wrong, and I look forward to your post that proves me so.

Scott.

This is an old post I found by looking for more hints about how to keep under the radar. I wonder what the 3 years later assessment is. I feel I am taking a calculated risk b / c not being in the bowl means a certainty of not having any even barely adequate sex, and I can't really go to my grave that way. I am taking all the precautions I've learned from you masters, but I mess up times too. See my post in the LA thread about ModelMilf.

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;1812235]I want to start my post off by quoting the TV show The Wire:

'The thing is, you only got to fuck up once. Be a little slow, be a little late, just once. And how you ain't going to never be slow, never be late? You can't plan for no shit like this man, it's life. '

Well I finally was a little slow, a little late. Ironically just like AliasSM I left behind a potential damaging piece of evidence of my escapades.

My SO was cleaning my shorts and she found a hotel card (not a key) with the address and that had a room number written on it. It was actually left over from when I saw my Euro Baby many weeks ago. Most likely in the after-glow of that heavenly experience, I didn't properly clean out all my pockets of papers. So my SO discovered the card yesterday morning and confronted me on it. I denied, denied, denied. The card just had the hotel address and a room number written on there, but it didn't contain my name or have any date. It was a dangerous piece of circumstantial evidence, but it fell short of a "Smoking Gun" because it still couldn't place me at a time and place. The hotel itself was 30-40 miles away, so it wasn't exactly a place I could go easily on a lunch break or something (to her knowledge at least).

I simply I said I didn't recognize the card. I might have picked it up or been given it as a scratch piece of paper since the backside was blank. I denied any knowledge of the hotel and said I had a faint recognition of even having the card. When you get caught with evidence against you, THE FIRST 10. 15 MINUTES ARE CRITICAL! I acted calm but not dismissive either. I said I simply didn't remember getting the card and I could have even got it when I was with her out somewhere. I then suggested she do a google maps of the hotel. After that, I'm guessing that suggestion and my overall demeanor put her at ease. Her mood changed again to more upbeat. And then throughout the rest of the day she was actually in a very good mood and I was obviously careful not to ruin it. It hasn't been 24 hours so I don't know if I'm completely out of the woods, but after the first 10. 15 minutes, she never brought it up at all throughout the entire day. And she's the type of person who can't hide their emotions, so when she's mad / angry / disappointed, you'll know. As others have said, most SOs want to believe you. Denial will get you very very far but if you panic in that first 10. 15 minutes, the issue may not be pushed aside so easily.

Just like AliasSM, I've been seeing escorts and AMP girls off and on for close to a decade. I was never ever in serious danger of getting caught by SO. LEO was probably the biggest threat for exposure. But I've been in the Sugar World for just under 2 years and I finally had a very close call. I'd like to welcome new guys like John Handcock, but you should be warned as soon as you step into the sugar bowl, you've activated a hidden time bomb. The detonation time may be unknown, but it will go off at some point. That is certain. You just have to hope when it does, you just get hit with shrapnel or a non-lethal wound and it doesn't take off a limb or blow your head off. Meaning at some point, you're going to be a little slow and little late and you're going to leave some crucial evidence behind. It might be in the form of a hotel receipt, a condom, sugar phone, chat text, designer finger nail, a psycho SB, a STD from barebacking, and etc. There's so many moving parts that it's pretty much impossible to play this game for any length of time and not get scathed in some way or another.

Yes the sugar world has a bit of glitz and glamor of banging college hotties and young MILFs and having you're own personal stable. But before you jump in head first, you need to decide if you're married, are you willing to risk your marriage for this lifestyle? If you're in the sugar for more than 3-4 months, you have a 50% chance of exposure and / or suspicions by your SO. If you're in the game for more than a year, it goes up to damn near 90. Most of us are just happy if we can keep the suspicions low enough so the SO can look the other way. But one critical mistake can throw that out the window.

My point is Mr Handcock or any others new to the bowl, if you have a happy marriage that you don't want to tarnish, stay away from the bowl. This is a seductive but a very high risk activity. I think sometimes some of us vet members here need to do a better job of cautioning our new arrivals. The challenges aren't just in the pursuit of the SB pussy but also not destabilizing your home life in the process. If you have a home life that you want to preserve unscathed, think very long and hard before you decide to be a sugar daddy.[/QUOTE]

I am a couple months into the bowl with one regular SB and dabbling with other pots (and a SO who's not dumb). I want to know if there is better / newer advice. I have a prepaid burner and a encrypted / onioned email.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1819239]How I do it. I have a small kit of my SD accessories. It is packed in a small zipper case like you use for storing thumbdrives. It is very discreet.

Then when I get home I immediately go to the garage. No one dares set foot in the garage because that is where work gets done. LOL So this is primarily my domain. The closest anyone in my family goes to the garage is to throw something out there through the back door. But there are really high shelves in there loaded with all kinds of boxes and junk.

No one especially my short wife could reach these shelves. But up on one shelf is a nondescript cardboard box which I put my kit, and I have to step on the riding mower seat to get to it. And then I can barely get to it. You could not ever put a ladder there because the mower is in the way. Which no one would dare touch also. Then on the mower seat is a small towel to indicate if anyone has touched the seat.

Anyway you get the idea. I can reach up there and grab my kit in less than five seconds and be gone. By the way it is the last thing I take in my car and the first thing I put away when I come home. Don't want it left in the car.

It is working so far.

Revvo[/QUOTE]

I had one POT do this to me and I finally realized they were just cat fishing. They can have their fun.

[QUOTE=FScott;3020946]Brother Stark,

This is new and crucial intel. NOW I'm thinking one of two things: this girl is either a UTR pro, or just likes jerking guys around instead of jerking them off. The last minute cancellations, followed by the protestations that she "really wants to reschedule" is a warning bell to me. I chased a similar little bunny a few years back to no avail. If she is UTR, she'll go for the John in the Hand over the Meet for Coffee John in the Bush in an instant.

I think you need to rely on your local brothers for additional insight, but for what it's worth, this one now seems like mostly effort, and very little, if any, reward.

I hope I'm wrong, and I look forward to your post that proves me so.

Scott.[/QUOTE]

So, first off thanks to all that contribute. I wouldn't have ever joined SA without this forum. If you think you can't get er done, here's my experience. First I'm 59 claiming 52. Married, and yea I claim it on the site. I'm physically very fit but no Brad Pitt, (average looks). I have had all kinds of pots, great success bringing several babys out for drinks and ending the night with her bobbing for spluge. (in the car). I have a semi regular who has her own place, I've been with the hottest 18 year old You can imagine. This girl was hesitant to go for a hotel date right up, but car fun, oh yes indeed. Had her saying "fuck me daddy" over and over while I stroked her pussy into an electric orgasm. I have found the 18-20 crowd love the idea of getting to know someone, especially an older daddy in the privacy of an automobile. Mind you it has to be positioned correctly, it's an option I offer them if there a bit hesitant. Seams the 18-21 year old Crowd will suck dick like it was shaking hands, regular business. I'm working on an 18 year old That wants me to take her to her total limit. She's not a super baby, a little chunky, cute face, but wants to dominated in the worst way. I can't wait to have her tongue in my ass. Again thanks for all the posts, good hunting my friends.

[QUOTE=SouthShoreAlex;3021916]So, first off thanks to all that contribute. I wouldn't have ever joined SA without this forum. If you think you can't get er done, here's my experience. First I'm 59 claiming 52. Married, and yea I claim it on the site. I'm physically very fit but no Brad Pitt, (average looks). I have had all kinds of pots, great success bringing several babys out for drinks and ending the night with her bobbing for spluge. (in the car). I have a semi regular who has her own place, I've been with the hottest 18 year old You can imagine. This girl was hesitant to go for a hotel date right up, but car fun, oh yes indeed. Had her saying "fuck me daddy" over and over while I stroked her pussy into an electric orgasm. I have found the 18-20 crowd love the idea of getting to know someone, especially an older daddy in the privacy of an automobile. Mind you it has to be positioned correctly, it's an option I offer them if there a bit hesitant. Seams the 18-21 year old Crowd will suck dick like it was shaking hands, regular business. I'm working on an 18 year old That wants me to take her to her total limit. She's not a super baby, a little chunky, cute face, but wants to dominated in the worst way. I can't wait to have her tongue in my ass. Again thanks for all the posts, good hunting my friends.[/QUOTE]Do you find the best place for a car date is? I heard someone say church parking lot in the daytime.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3021927]Do you find the best place for a car date is? I heard someone say church parking lot in the daytime.[/QUOTE]Thats a trick in itself, I like the church idea. If it's a drink out I always scout a remote spot to park so if it goes there, I'm good. Daytimes can be tough, my last adventure was in a parking lot of overflow commuters. Figured most wouldn't be back till end of business. I'm always scouting when just out driving, good spots are gold.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3021927]Do you find the best place for a car date is? I heard someone say church parking lot in the daytime.[/QUOTE]Thousands of pages of secret squirrel shit as how to eva! De and escape detection and its now car dates. Guess that totally erases any trail to a motel unless you use the motel / hotel parking lot.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;3012516]...They will probably eventually invent a sex robot to do what she does, but she should be the pattern for the programming...[/QUOTE]BTW doesn't your dick get sore to the point of bleeding after prolonged sucking or does it depend on the technique? Some women have to be told to keep their teeth out of the way!

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3021040]This is an old post I found by looking for more hints about how to keep under the radar. I wonder what the 3 years later assessment is. I feel I am taking a calculated risk b / c not being in the bowl means a certainty of not having any even barely adequate sex, and I can't really go to my grave that way. I am taking all the precautions I've learned from you masters, but I mess up times too. See my post in the LA thread about ModelMilf.[/QUOTE]I was about to write up a new post on this topic when I read your timely post with JohnGSmith's very relevant post from a few years ago. JohnGSmith was right on the money when he said a year in the bowl will put you at a 90% risk of getting busted. I have been very active (1 to 2 FCs a week) in the bowl for a year now, and the two years prior in the escort (incall) scene. Married 28 years, past 23 with zero intimacy. Basically went 20 years as the loyal husband. Enough was enough but didn't want to go the divorce route. Had some near misses the past 3 years on getting busted but made a critical mistake 10 days ago by leaving my computer on in my home office on the 2nd floor of our home. Worse was not changing my password. Left on an overnite trip to a city two hours away to see one of my regular SBs (very hot 18 yr old) and a POT for a m & g the following morning. As I am checking in to the hotel get a text and then a phone call from the SO. She had found just a few incriminating items on my computer, one of which had me dead in the water. BUSTED. My SO calmly suggested I drive the two hours back home "to talk" (I did). When I got home she had printed out copies of incriminating evidence and placed them on the table. I elected to say very little and let her talk. The infidelity aspect bothered her but the real anger seemed to be her finding out my # 1 SB who was 20 years old, six years younger than our daughter She had already called our daughter to fill her in on my sugar bowl activity, and since she lives locally I know that she and I will be having a delicate father / daughter conversation about this. Meanwhile my SO made me promise to cancel my SA account and not to see "Sarah" anymore. Although she continued to be pissy here and there the next couple of days she actually surprised me by not making my life miserable. If anything we have actually got along better. So where do I go from here? Before I go "anywhere" I had my IT buddy (he is one of 2 friends who knows of my secret life) set up better security barriers on my computer, including putting my xfiles and excel contact info on an password protected thumb drive. But seriously where do I go from here? I wish I could negotiate an open marriage but I just don't think I could sell it, even to an SO who made the statement 10 days ago " I am not required to have sex with you" (to which I should have said "but am I only required to have a sexual relationship with you? Admittedly I did jump back into the FC twice this week, rescheduling with the hot 18 year old and once with a former favorite escort (27 year old) I hadn't seen for over a year who texted me out of the blue. She has her own place and requires minimal funds from me, but our sex was just not as good as what I get from the 18 -22 SBs. I know the evening hotel FCs will be fewer and farther in between. I will no doubt wean the FC frequency down to 2 to 3 times a month, probably stick with a couple of current SBs and look for talent closer to home (less time away from the house) but know that increases the risk as well. My IT buddy keeps telling me I should just lock in on one SB who is older (30-40) who could be a LTR. He is probably right but I am afraid I have an addiction to the 18-22 year old pussy. Just sayin'.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;3023612]I was about to write up a new post on this topic when I read your timely post with JohnGSmith's very relevant post from a few years ago. JohnGSmith was right on the money when he said a year in the bowl will put you at a 90% risk of getting busted. I have been very active (1 to 2 FCs a week) in the bowl for a year now, and the two years prior in the escort (incall) scene. Married 28 years, past 23 with zero intimacy. Basically went 20 years as the loyal husband. Enough was enough but didn't want to go the divorce route. Had some near misses the past 3 years on getting busted but made a critical mistake 10 days ago by leaving my computer on in my home office on the 2nd floor of our home. Worse was not changing my password. Left on an overnite trip to a city two hours away to see one of my regular SBs (very hot 18 yr old) and a POT for a m & g the following morning. As I am checking in to the hotel get a text and then a phone call from the SO. She had found just a few incriminating items on my computer, one of which had me dead in the water. BUSTED. My SO calmly suggested I drive the two hours back home "to talk" (I did). When I got home she had printed out copies of incriminating evidence and placed them on the table. I elected to say very little and let her talk. The infidelity aspect bothered her but the real anger seemed to be her finding out my # 1 SB who was 20 years old, six years younger than our daughter She had already called our daughter to fill her in on my sugar bowl activity, and since she lives locally I know that she and I will be having a delicate father / daughter conversation about this. Meanwhile my SO made me promise to cancel my SA account and not to see "Sarah" anymore. Although she continued to be pissy here and there the next couple of days she actually surprised me by not making my life miserable. If anything we have actually got along better. So where do I go from here? Before I go "anywhere" I had my IT buddy (he is one of 2 friends who knows of my secret life) set up better security barriers on my computer, including putting my xfiles and excel contact info on an password protected thumb drive. But seriously where do I go from here? I wish I could negotiate an open marriage but I just don't think I could sell it, even to an SO who made the statement 10 days ago " I am not required to have sex with you" (to which I should have said "but am I only required to have a sexual relationship with you? Admittedly I did jump back into the FC twice this week, rescheduling with the hot 18 year old and once with a former favorite escort (27 year old) I hadn't seen for over a year who texted me out of the blue. She has her own place and requires minimal funds from me, but our sex was just not as good as what I get from the 18 -22 SBs. I know the evening hotel FCs will be fewer and farther in between. I will no doubt wean the FC frequency down to 2 to 3 times a month, probably stick with a couple of current SBs and look for talent closer to home (less time away from the house) but know that increases the risk as well. My IT buddy keeps telling me I should just lock in on one SB who is older (30-40) who could be a LTR. He is probably right but I am afraid I have an addiction to the 18-22 year old pussy. Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]Don't think you need any advice. The so already has the goods that can be used anytime. Changing your security just shows that your guilty and covering tracks. The horse is already out of the barn, to latec to shut door now. Two options I see since your addicted. End the marriage or stay and play till she decides to drop the hammer.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;3023612]I was about to write up a new post on this topic when I read your timely post with JohnGSmith's very relevant post from a few years ago. JohnGSmith was right on the money when he said a year in the bowl will put you at a 90% risk of getting busted. I have been very active (1 to 2 FCs a week) in the bowl for a year now, and the two years prior in the escort (incall) scene. Married 28 years, past 23 with zero intimacy. Basically went 20 years as the loyal husband. Enough was enough but didn't want to go the divorce route. Had some near misses the past 3 years on getting busted but made a critical mistake 10 days ago by leaving my computer on in my home office on the 2nd floor of our home. Worse was not changing my password. Left on an overnite trip to a city two hours away to see one of my regular SBs (very hot 18 yr old) and a POT for a m & g the following morning. As I am checking in to the hotel get a text and then a phone call from the SO. She had found just a few incriminating items on my computer, one of which had me dead in the water. BUSTED. My SO calmly suggested I drive the two hours back home "to talk" (I did). When I got home she had printed out copies of incriminating evidence and placed them on the table. I elected to say very little and let her talk. The infidelity aspect bothered her but the real anger seemed to be her finding out my # 1 SB who was 20 years old, six years younger than our daughter She had already called our daughter to fill her in on my sugar bowl activity, and since she lives locally I know that she and I will be having a delicate father / daughter conversation about this. Meanwhile my SO made me promise to cancel my SA account and not to see "Sarah" anymore. Although she continued to be pissy here and there the next couple of days she actually surprised me by not making my life miserable. If anything we have actually got along better. So where do I go from here? Before I go "anywhere" I had my IT buddy (he is one of 2 friends who knows of my secret life) set up better security barriers on my computer, including putting my xfiles and excel contact info on an password protected thumb drive. But seriously where do I go from here? I wish I could negotiate an open marriage but I just don't think I could sell it, even to an SO who made the statement 10 days ago " I am not required to have sex with you" (to which I should have said "but am I only required to have a sexual relationship with you? Admittedly I did jump back into the FC twice this week, rescheduling with the hot 18 year old and once with a former favorite escort (27 year old) I hadn't seen for over a year who texted me out of the blue. She has her own place and requires minimal funds from me, but our sex was just not as good as what I get from the 18 -22 SBs. I know the evening hotel FCs will be fewer and farther in between. I will no doubt wean the FC frequency down to 2 to 3 times a month, probably stick with a couple of current SBs and look for talent closer to home (less time away from the house) but know that increases the risk as well. My IT buddy keeps telling me I should just lock in on one SB who is older (30-40) who could be a LTR. He is probably right but I am afraid I have an addiction to the 18-22 year old pussy. Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]There have been many brothers that have just mysteriously stopped posting in this thread, and I have to believe it's because many of them got caught and there wasn't enough left of them to post what happened. LOL. So congrats on reporting back.

I agree with JGS that getting caught is pretty much inevitable unless the addiction is controlled, by that I mean cutting ties with SBs for enough months or weeks that her subconscious awareness (believe me they all have it) is quelled.

I think the bowl can only work, long-term for a few types of situations:

1. You're single and have the right combination of game and / or disposable income.
2. You have an SO but also enough discipline to put it down periodically, forget about it, go on with life, and start up again later.
3. Open marriage.
4. You really want a divorce, but can't motivate yourself to initiate it and thus want to dissolve it the old fashioned way, and can afford the financial devastation of this approach.

Me, I'm in the second group. Managing addiction of any sort takes a lot of self-discipline and is not fun. Sometimes the "bummer effect" of forcing myself to terminate my website subscriptions and stop texting girls is so difficult, that I think it has a long term therapeutical benefit -- it conditions my mind to accept the unpleasant side of the hobby, and that serves as a constant reminder that if I let my addiction get out of control, the withdrawal is just going to be more difficult to endure.

Imagine a heroin addict that, for whatever reason, developed the will power to occasionally just put it down. However, doing so makes him sick -- to the point that once he is well, he thinks twice about picking up the pipe or the needle again. He realizes this might be a good thing -- by going on less frequent binges and with lower doses, he won't have to tolerate such a traumatic withdrawal. Eventually with practice he finds a good balance where he can dabble here and there, but back out before he gets too deep. The ups and downs of the use and withdrawal cycle never completely disappear, but become so undramatic that it becomes more like a sustainable way of life than a monkey on his back.

This is what I call addiction management. This is where I am with it all, except instead of heroin it's hot young pussy. I don't get as much of it as I'd like to of course, but I also don't have to deal with the extremes of the darker side of the hobby (I. E. Giving up my LTR, or watching my financial status erode after assigning my dick the job of chief financial officer of my life).

I recommend this whenever its an option, but for those who are just in sexless marriages I'd say get out of the marriage first. You have a valid case for getting out of the marriage with minimal damage (alienation of affection or whatever) -- the courts will understand this. Then use your single status (with your rightful finances still intact) to bang lots of hot young pussy. If for some reason its impossible to motivate oneself to do this, its a likely an indication of a greater emotional attachment to the SO, which is a real trouble sign because it means if the shit hits the fan, the devastation will be both monetary and emotional.

For those who don't feel they are up to developing the self-discipline for addiction management I described, but want to keep their marriage intact, I would HIGHLY recommend sticking to escorts. The bowl is infinitely more risky to a married guy than escorts, overall, notwithstanding the escorts that masquerade as SBs but basically function as an overpaid regular BP girl.

For your particular situation Stormy I'd suggest staying alert / cautious / careful. The behavior you described about getting along better is very common after a situation like this, but it does not foretell smooth waters ahead necessarily. Every situation is different but women have a tendency to be understanding at first, but then hard feelings begin to fester as they plan and scheme their optimal $$$ ExitStrategy $$$. You know your situation better than anyone but wanted to mention that's an incredibly common short-term pattern of behavior on the cheated on wife's part.

Agree with both you and JHC and appreciate the guidance. (if caught and unwilling or unable to disavow future dalliance, I see no way his SO sticks) Putting me in a dilemma. I have a SO I want to stay with, actually, and my SB who looks promising as a LTR (discreet finance is the challenge). I'm not the type to easily switch ladies. Given the SB is exclusive on an allowance, how do I switch her off and on like a faucet to enable me to ground myself with the SO? My SO has suspected me many times when I had done nothing (perhaps more as a threat / reminder than a fact-based suspicion).

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3023769]There have been many brothers that have just mysteriously stopped posting in this thread, and I have to believe it's because many of them got caught and there wasn't enough left of them to post what happened. LOL. So congrats on reporting back.

I agree with JGS that getting caught is pretty much inevitable unless the addiction is controlled, by that I mean cutting ties with SBs for enough months or weeks that her subconscious awareness (believe me they all have it) is quelled.

I think the bowl can only work, long-term for a few types of situations:

1. You're single and have the right combination of game and / or disposable income.
2. You have an SO but also enough discipline to put it down periodically, forget about it, go on with life, and start up again later.
3. Open marriage.
4. You really want a divorce, but can't motivate yourself to initiate it and thus want to dissolve it the old fashioned way, and can afford the financial devastation of this approach.

Me, I'm in the second group. Managing addiction of any sort takes a lot of self-discipline and is not fun. Sometimes the "bummer effect" of forcing myself to terminate my website subscriptions and stop texting girls is so difficult, that I think it has a long term therapeutical benefit -- it conditions my mind to accept the unpleasant side of the hobby, and that serves as a constant reminder that if I let my addiction get out of control, the withdrawal is just going to be more difficult to endure.

Imagine a heroin addict that, for whatever reason, developed the will power to occasionally just put it down. However, doing so makes him sick -- to the point that once he is well, he thinks twice about picking up the pipe or the needle again. He realizes this might be a good thing -- by going on less frequent binges and with lower doses, he won't have to tolerate such a traumatic withdrawal. Eventually with practice he finds a good balance where he can dabble here and there, but back out before he gets too deep. The ups and downs of the use and withdrawal cycle never completely disappear, but become so undramatic that it becomes more like a sustainable way of life than a monkey on his back.

This is what I call addiction management. This is where I am with it all, except instead of heroin it's hot young pussy. I don't get as much of it as I'd like to of course, but I also don't have to deal with the extremes of the darker side of the hobby (I. E. Giving up my LTR, or watching my financial status erode after assigning my dick the job of chief financial officer of my life).

I recommend this whenever its an option, but for those who are just in sexless marriages I'd say get out of the marriage first. You have a valid case for getting out of the marriage with minimal damage (alienation of affection or whatever) -- the courts will understand this. Then use your single status (with your rightful finances still intact) to bang lots of hot young pussy. If for some reason its impossible to motivate oneself to do this, its a likely an indication of a greater emotional attachment to the SO, which is a real trouble sign because it means if the shit hits the fan, the devastation will be both monetary and emotional.

For those who don't feel they are up to developing the self-discipline for addiction management I described, but want to keep their marriage intact, I would HIGHLY recommend sticking to escorts. The bowl is infinitely more risky to a married guy than escorts, overall, notwithstanding the escorts that masquerade as SBs but basically function as an overpaid regular BP girl.

For your particular situation Stormy I'd suggest staying alert / cautious / careful. The behavior you described about getting along better is very common after a situation like this, but it does not foretell smooth waters ahead necessarily. Every situation is different but women have a tendency to be understanding at first, but then hard feelings begin to fester as they plan and scheme their optimal $$$ ExitStrategy $$$. You know your situation better than anyone but wanted to mention that's an incredibly common short-term pattern of behavior on the cheated on wife's part.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3024252]Agree with both you and JHC and appreciate the guidance. (if caught and unwilling or unable to disavow future dalliance, I see no way his SO sticks) Putting me in a dilemma. I have a SO I want to stay with, actually, and my SB who looks promising as a LTR (discreet finance is the challenge). I'm not the type to easily switch ladies. Given the SB is exclusive on an allowance, how do I switch her off and on like a faucet to enable me to ground myself with the SO? My SO has suspected me many times when I had done nothing (perhaps more as a threat / reminder than a fact-based suspicion).[/QUOTE]Keeping with my belief that the four situations outlined in prior post are the only hopes for successful long term play in the bowl, I would say it should be possible to switch one SB on or off (just know that by staying exclusively with one your likelihood of getting caught increases the longer you're with her). I guess I would just tell the SB that due to domestic issues, you need to make some changes and that it's going to be cash-and-carry for the foreseeable future. If she's had an SD before, she's likely been down that road and the concept likely won't be new to her. Then hit an ATM machine or whatever before each date.

I will say that what you'd like to do is basically incompatible with my strategies for managing addiction, because staying with one SB long-term basically feeds the addiction. This is because you're forming additional behavioral patterns and habits that are dependent on your circumstances with that one person. When you jump from girl to girl, you are less prone to develop habits -- habits that are easier for your SO to learn and use to your disadvantage. Men are creatures of habit by nature and women are masters of exploiting those habits to our disadvantage. By never staying in the comfort zone for too long, you avoid her mental targeting system from locking onto your behavior. Women stay humble when you keep them guessing, it's when they've figured you out that they know they have the upper hand and start playing that hand against you.

Unlearning existing behavior can be hard. Pushing ourselves outside our comfort zones is not fun. We just want to get laid, we don't want to necessarily think up ways to challenge ourselves. But in my opinion it's necessary for someone doing this that wants to keep their marriage or relationship in tact. That's one reason I like to take breaks from it entirely from time to time, chasing SBs while making sure things at home are adequately taken care of can be a lot of work.

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;2933149]Not sure she was VeronicaSA. But definitely went by Veronica. She has deactivated her account. This girl's real name is Haley. She's brunette spinner, very tan, who used to dance at Pure Pleasure (she's been discussed on other forums before, so she is really more UTR). She's hot as balls, a great lay, and laid back personality. She is real college student and I really like her. But last time I saw her I caught her trying to lift one of the room keys while I was cleaning up in the bathroom. Guess she planned on coming back later. To do who knows what. I called her on it. She came clean, but then went dark. I also found a social media account where she discusses her shoplifting habit. Recently I think she reconciled with her loser boyfriend. Oh well. I will miss banging her.

Stay Safe.

Stark.[/QUOTE]This is why I love this site! So I had a meet and greet with Veronica from SA whose real name is Haley. Stark, you are correct she is hot as balls. She was asking for $$$ which I thought was high but for a hot chick like her I was willing to pay it. I did see in a previous review that she was at one time offering CFS for $. I guess prices went up. She seemed like such a wonderful person. I was getting ready to set up our next date and close the deal. However, after hearing how she tried to lift your room key I am going to have to pass on her. I was going to set up our next meeting at my place but I don't want to give her my address. I also found her facebook page and one picture had a bunch of money on her bed with two hand guns. She told me how she used to date a guy who went to jail and how she would visit him twice a week. I think I am going to have to go dark on her. Thanks Stark for saving me a lot of money. I would love to bang her but I don't like drama. I guess back to square one.

Scott,

I agree and red flags went up as soon as that happened. Which is why I posted to see if any of the brothers had actually closed the deal and met with her in person. That's really all the additional effort I have made. That, and a text message every couple of days. She's hot, so if the price is right, I don't mind if she is UTR. But my recent approach with her has changed. I know she drives, so my new strategy has been to get her to come to me. At this point I'm certainly not driving to NOVA or DC to be stood up. I'll keep you posted.

Stark.

[QUOTE=FScott;3020946]Brother Stark,

This is new and crucial intel. NOW I'm thinking one of two things: this girl is either a UTR pro, or just likes jerking guys around instead of jerking them off. The last minute cancellations, followed by the protestations that she "really wants to reschedule" is a warning bell to me. I chased a similar little bunny a few years back to no avail. If she is UTR, she'll go for the John in the Hand over the Meet for Coffee John in the Bush in an instant.

I think you need to rely on your local brothers for additional insight, but for what it's worth, this one now seems like mostly effort, and very little, if any, reward.

I hope I'm wrong, and I look forward to your post that proves me so.

Scott.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3021087]I am a couple months into the bowl with one regular SB and dabbling with other pots (and a SO who's not dumb). I want to know if there is better / newer advice. I have a prepaid burner and a encrypted / onioned email.[/QUOTE]Just to add my $. 02 here, the original quote referenced on this post was by a fellow Club Member that went by Revvo. I had known Revvo from a strip club discussion / review site and actually told him about this site. Those of us who have been here a good while may remember Revvo has being one of the more prolific and successful fishers of babies on here. I think he traveled regularly and had babies in every port so to speak. Then one day, he just stopped posting so I can only assumed that he got busted by the SO, even with all his precautions. If you have a SO with whom you wish to stay, this activity is definitely not for the faint of heart.

I want to revive this? In the thread, as I have a POT (20 HCP) who has offered her place when her roommate is away on the weekend. As I have the SO the weekend is not typically a good time for me, but I likely could manage it once or twice. What's the risk with the SB, though, of going to her place?

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2125713]Since my budget is lower these days I have told the SB Pots that I Like to relax in a nice home environment and prefer their place if they live alone, once they are comfortable with me. I want them to get the extra money instead of the Hotel chain. They will think about the extra money, so factor that into your offer. Most will not like it but I have had success there.

Case in point: With one of my ATFs I went out of town to meet her for dinner. The understanding was we would go to the FC all night if we felt a connection. She was OK with her home but friends talked her out of it and she required a hotel the 1st visit. After dinner I asked if she wanted to spend some quiet time together and she said yes, so I told her that I was stepping out to make a reservation. She said not to worry and she felt safe to invite me to her home. And home we went.

Married FC: usually means a hotel. I always pick a dirt cheap one since you will only be spending a few hours together. One of my SBs likes public / car sex but I will not do that. I'm too old and can't be caught on a public indecency rap.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3021087]I am a couple months into the bowl with one regular SB and dabbling with other pots (and a SO who's not dumb). I want to know if there is better / newer advice. I have a prepaid burner and a encrypted / onioned email.[/QUOTE]So, this may be a stupid question, but what is an "onioned" email. As far as security goes, I'm always looking for a better way. I try and keep communications to my phone, using a dedicated browser (firefox) and (email / yahoo). I keep both applications as well as play store and settings locked with a decent app locker app. I keep the settings and play store locked just so she can't download a tracker on my phone. (not at all likely, she's not tech oriented but better safe than sorry) I tell pots texting doesn't really work that well for me, so lets stick with the site or e-mail. It's ok 95% of the time. If I have to put the burner in play, that fucking thing is like walking around with a rubber in your pocket. Kryptonite. When I'm on the prowl, I keep everything hidden deep in my golf bag. My walmart prepaid was declined, their not allowing such sites to use there service. Had to hit a seldom used bank card on a real bank account. Shredded the statement. Fuck you thought police walmart. It's hard to keep it completely airtight, it only takes one fuck up and the jigs up. Get in the proper habit of checking all your shit twice. For me, the risk is worth the reward, 18 year old Pussy, girls who like the fuck toy role. You won't find it on BP.

[QUOTE=SouthShoreAlex;3025699]So, this may be a stupid question, but what is an "onioned" email. As far as security goes, I'm always looking for a better way. I try and keep communications to my phone, using a dedicated browser (firefox) and (email / yahoo). I keep both applications as well as play store and settings locked with a decent app locker app. I keep the settings and play store locked just so she can't download a tracker on my phone. (not at all likely, she's not tech oriented but better safe than sorry) I tell pots texting doesn't really work that well for me, so lets stick with the site or e-mail. It's ok 95% of the time. If I have to put the burner in play, that fucking thing is like walking around with a rubber in your pocket. Kryptonite. When I'm on the prowl, I keep everything hidden deep in my golf bag. My walmart prepaid was declined, their not allowing such sites to use there service. Had to hit a seldom used bank card on a real bank account. Shredded the statement. Fuck you thought police walmart. It's hard to keep it completely airtight, it only takes one fuck up and the jigs up. Get in the proper habit of checking all your shit twice. For me, the risk is worth the reward, 18 year old Pussy, girls who like the fuck toy role. You won't find it on BP.[/QUOTE]The browser I use is Tor. There may be others. They bounce your email around the world to at least 4 separate servers, and none of those servers can see from whence the earlier or later messages are going, somehow. It is like peeling off layers of an onion. I also use hushmail, which specifically does not track you, while using only Tor. I have decided also to use only Tor when logging onto USASG. I wish I had done that in the beginning. Using a browser in 'private' mode is the other alternative, so cookies and bookmarks don't persist after the session. But I always am using my search function to look for names of illicit sites I have been on. It is amazing that you can think you are on one browser but you are actually on another one and lot into SA, for example. If someone were to go really NSA on you, they could look at the IP address from which you had logged into every site every time and figure you out. Most SOs can't do this, of course.

About the prepaid. This has been an ongoing issueon SA that I have posted about. I am not active on SA right now as I have my SB, but I think the way to go is to get a OneVanilla card (likely MasterCard is better than Visa) and try to go through the PayPal payment method on SA. It worked for me the last time.

[QUOTE=SouthShoreAlex;3025699]So, this may be a stupid question, but what is an "onioned" email. As far as security goes, I'm always looking for a better way. I try and keep communications to my phone, using a dedicated browser (firefox) and (email / yahoo). I keep both applications as well as play store and settings locked with a decent app locker app. I keep the settings and play store locked just so she can't download a tracker on my phone. (not at all likely, she's not tech oriented but better safe than sorry) I tell pots texting doesn't really work that well for me, so lets stick with the site or e-mail. It's ok 95% of the time. If I have to put the burner in play, that fucking thing is like walking around with a rubber in your pocket. Kryptonite. When I'm on the prowl, I keep everything hidden deep in my golf bag. My walmart prepaid was declined, their not allowing such sites to use there service. Had to hit a seldom used bank card on a real bank account. Shredded the statement. Fuck you thought police walmart. It's hard to keep it completely airtight, it only takes one fuck up and the jigs up. Get in the proper habit of checking all your shit twice. For me, the risk is worth the reward, 18 year old Pussy, girls who like the fuck toy role. You won't find it on BP.[/QUOTE]Straight talk works, and you can pay cash.

[QUOTE=Cabsauv1997;3017126][URL]https://twitter.com/unnnjeee[/URL][/QUOTE]I have been talking to this girl for sometime too, never did M&G wanted to go straight to FC, she asked me for 500 ! She is hot but not sure she is worth that. Got really great hottie 21 yrs college drop out but little crazy. I love to fuck this girl so tiny, for 3 each time.

I have done a lot lore girls ever since my last post, most are 18 to 20, one major disappointment is the one whos rejected me after settleing for a price said she has to be attracted to the person if she is going to sleep withsha is Prinjazz2017, well go look at her pics you will know what I mean.

She would be worth what she wanted her to pay me and I was ready for it too!!

She's obviously a pro, they don't interest me. I meet at a coffee shop parking lot. She wanted 5. She dropped to 4. I said I would think about it. Too many amateurs for 2-3 to consider a high volume. She was attractive.

Anybody here meet with ready4 u2 meetme in Richmond?

Sorry, I've been busy and have not posted since 2989377.

I ended up taking the waitress out the following night. After a few drinks I took her back to the FC and fucked her silly. She was not the best lay, but that pussy was like a vice grip on my dick. You really can't complain when you spent $25 on drinks and put multiple shots into a 22 yo. I was using the hotel room my job was paying for, so realistically I paid less than 10 bucks per shot on goal.

A couple nights later, I took her to dinner ($45) and we did the FC again. I did learn over dinner she had some school expenses and was just making rent payments monthly, but she never asked me for money other than help on a phone bill one time. I did about four more fuck dates with her and gave her a few Benjie's at the end of the month, when my tour of duty was up, because I kind of felt bad for her living month to month. I don't think her loser boyfriend was hitting the g-spot, and she wanted to be taken out and fucked good even more than she wanted the paper.

She remained active on SA during our arrangement, but had switched her location from the town we were in to Las Vegas. Not sure if she was taking a trip there later in the summer or trying to get a daddy out there to sponsor her.

SDX.

Can any of you brothers recommend where I can get a fairly anonymous STD test? The family doctor is out of the question for me. Are there any accurate ones where you take a sample yourself and the lab sends you the results via email? What is generally tested, urine or blood? How much do comprehensive STD tests usually cost?

Me and my new SB are planning on taking the rubber off, but both want to make sure we are clean first.

SDX.

[QUOTE=Tonyromova;3027242]Anybody here meet with ready4 u2 meetme in Richmond?[/QUOTE]I came close to meeting her found out she is almost a pro and too old for me, backed out.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;3027256]Can any of you brothers recommend where I can get a fairly anonymous STD test? The family doctor is out of the question for me. Are there any accurate ones where you take a sample yourself and the lab sends you the results via email? What is generally tested, urine or blood? How much do comprehensive STD tests usually cost?

Me and my new SB are planning on taking the rubber off, but both want to make sure we are clean first.

SDX.[/QUOTE]Planned Parenthood Health Centers. Some list their prices online. Denver, Co for instance is $121 without insurance.

I paid $75 in Norfolk many years back. Male nurse did the swabs. I called in few days later to get my results. No paper trail. Some offer walk ins but most require appointment.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;3027256]Can any of you brothers recommend where I can get a fairly anonymous STD test? The family doctor is out of the question for me. Are there any accurate ones where you take a sample yourself and the lab sends you the results via email? What is generally tested, urine or blood? How much do comprehensive STD tests usually cost?

Me and my new SB are planning on taking the rubber off, but both want to make sure we are clean first.

SDX.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.stdcheck.com/[/URL]

You don't have to show I'd, you can use an alias. Results are delivered online using a code.

BigTigg.

[QUOTE=SouthShoreAlex;3025699]So, this may be a stupid question, but what is an "onioned" email. As far as security goes, I'm always looking for a better way. I try and keep communications to my phone, using a dedicated browser (firefox) and (email / yahoo). I keep both applications as well as play store and settings locked with a decent app locker app. I keep the settings and play store locked just so she can't download a tracker on my phone. (not at all likely, she's not tech oriented but better safe than sorry) I tell pots texting doesn't really work that well for me, so lets stick with the site or e-mail. It's ok 95% of the time. If I have to put the burner in play, that fucking thing is like walking around with a rubber in your pocket. Kryptonite. When I'm on the prowl, I keep everything hidden deep in my golf bag. My walmart prepaid was declined, their not allowing such sites to use there service. Had to hit a seldom used bank card on a real bank account. Shredded the statement. Fuck you thought police walmart. It's hard to keep it completely airtight, it only takes one fuck up and the jigs up. Get in the proper habit of checking all your shit twice. For me, the risk is worth the reward, 18 year old Pussy, girls who like the fuck toy role. You won't find it on BP.[/QUOTE]Get a MC / Visa gift card. You can buy them for up to $500. All you need is to register a zip code online and you don't have to use your own. I have a real residential address that I just found on Google Maps. I use that address and zip code for all my online hobbying activities. You can also use the gift cards when you are out to hide buying two movie tickets, larger than normal meal purchases, etc.

BigTigg.

Found a 19 year old looking for her first SA experience. She was home waiting to move back to the dorms for her 2nd year in college. Mommy and Daddy left for work and I picked her up to put in some work. She just wanted some online shopping money. So gift cards and no cash. She suggested FC for the first meeting. We had breakfast and got to the TiggaBounce. I've had a few 21 and below. She was bar far one of the best. The intimacy came natural for her. Multiple positions two rounds and two pops for me 5 Os for her and some great ego boosting compliments. Amazing body, 5'1, small cute butt and perfect perky C-cups. $50 Retail Store gift card, breakfast and got the room for free on points. It was a great morning.

So I've by far had my most luck on SA.

BigTigg.

I think when I read a profile on SA that says no physical intimacy just dates. Dinner and fun. Maybe trip but no sex. Maybe 2-3 x a month and they have ANY financial expectations. We should all just send them this message. Buuuwwwhahahhaha who's in! Hahahahahah.

In my state, I had to show I'd and the name and birthday had to match. Address was different and results were delivered anonymously. I had a fake birthday and it caused holy hell until I got it fixed.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;3027520][URL]https://www.stdcheck.com/[/URL]

You don't have to show I'd, you can use an alias. Results are delivered online using a code.

BigTigg.[/QUOTE]

My brief sugaring experience and endless SO experience lead me to this post on keeping the SO at bay. I believe that there are 3 levels of SO awareness of our hobby that we need to be thinking about.

1. Intuition. They have it. It can't be objectively proven, but I have seen it in action many times. I got very excited (internally) when I found the resources here and SA, and what incredible HYP was available. The SO was depressed for a week, enough to mention it and to mention that she was unable to explain why. I didn't help her out. Advice. Hide your emotional state as much as possible around activities in the bowl. Find a hot new POT. Just another day at the office.

2. Suspicion. The SO has this in spades b / c of an egregious episode in an earlier marriage. She suspects routinely, and speaks up about it, perhaps just to intimidate and remind. Other SOs I have had haven't voiced but I believe they had it. Advice. Know your SO and what she is sensitive about. Nights out with the boys? Don't do them if they raise her radar.

3. Evidence. If she gets here you are nearly sunk. Stonewalling denial can work only if there is a plausible and safe explanation ('I am not responsible for who dials my number. It could be a wrong number and I don't know who it is. Call it and see' You may be able to put the genie back in the bottle if you lay low from the bowl for a while. If there is *real* evidence (burner, electronic crumbs, receipts, even old fashioned lipstick / perfume / hair), the only way back is disavowal of future sugar activity. I know you. This is unlikely to happen and you are heading for some sort of separation. Advice. Here is where eternal vigilance is essential. You simply cannot allow any such evidence to accumulate. Always use encrypted browsers that don't store history. Don't use bookmarks or login tools. You have to have a good memory. If you have to save anything physically, do it on an encrypted flash drive you can take a hammer to if need be. More technically savvy SDs use the cloud. Check yourself once, twice, three times when you return to the SO.

My brief sugaring experience and endless SO experience lead me to this post on keeping the SO at bay. I believe that there are 3 levels of SO awareness of our hobby that we need to be thinking about.

1. Intuition. They have it. It can't be objectively proven, but I have seen it in action many times. I got very excited (internally) when I found the resources here and SA, and what incredible HYP was available. The SO was depressed for a week, enough to mention it and to mention that she was unable to explain why. I didn't help her out. Advice. Hide your emotional state as much as possible around activities in the bowl. Find a hot new POT. Just another day at the office.

2. Suspicion. The SO has this in spades b / c of an egregious episode in an earlier marriage. She suspects routinely, and speaks up about it, perhaps just to intimidate and remind. Other SOs I have had haven't voiced but I believe they had it. Advice. Know your SO and what she is sensitive about. Nights out with the boys? Don't do them if they raise her radar.

3. Evidence. If she gets here you are nearly sunk. Stonewalling denial can work only if there is a plausible and safe explanation ('I am not responsible for who dials my number. It could be a wrong number and I don't know who it is. Call it and see' You may be able to put the genie back in the bottle if you lay low from the bowl for a while. If there is *real* evidence (burner, electronic crumbs, receipts, even old fashioned lipstick / perfume / hair), the only way back is disavowal of future sugar activity. I know you. This is unlikely to happen and you are heading for some sort of separation. Advice. Here is where eternal vigilance is essential. You simply cannot allow any such evidence to accumulate. Always use encrypted browsers that don't store history, cookies, etc. Don't use bookmarks or login tools. You have to have a good memory. If you have to save anything physically, do it on an encrypted flash drive you can take a hammer to if need be. More technically savvy SDs use the cloud. Check yourself once, twice, three times when you return to the SO.

The Ashley Madison hack is a good example. I was on there long ago, had made no headway, and had forgotten about them, but unfortunately they hadn't forgotten about me. I also foolishly used a real work email as part of my profile. I know. But it was 10+years ago, before we all knew what online danger was. Amazingly, my work IT staff scanned the hack site and discreetly alerted (individually) each and every person at my work whose email address was on AM. I began to get emails from the hackers that they were going to expose me, send the info to my family, etc. , and all I had to do was get in touch and pay them off. I ignored them and eventually they gave up. But I was pretty nervous for awhile. This can happen to *any* online resource you use in sugaring or hobbying. Make sure nothing there can come back to your real life.

I've been asked by a number of people what I have in my profile and for help getting attention on SB websites. So I thought it best to just post it here. I've had two main profiles over the years and there were a few constant themes that women have complimented me on with examples.

In your profile, make sure it hits the following areas:

1. Be engaging and funny-- "Not only can I keep a secret, tie my shoes and chew gum at the same, eat with all of my (god-given) brushed teeth, entice you with my smile and faint scent of cologne. ".

2. Be specific with what you are looking for from her and what you bring to the table without using numerical expressions-- (meet twice a week, travel every now and then. Someone who's fun to be around, no drama with passion and has a little 007 street smarts, I cover all expenses and you will be taken care of in and outside of the bedroom).

3. Appeal to their mind and frustrations -- "It's time out for one-sided relationships and imbalanced expectations. It's time that you spent your time with someone who appreciates you, your faults, your strengths, your insecurities and your loyalty. ".

4. Downplay when appropriate / show humility but confidence -- "Ok, I'm not 6'2, but I have a big. Personality and I suck in my stomach really well".

5. Show you are not desperate, have some guile with guidelines - "I have no problem waiting for the right one and skipping those who can't even get gas to meet me at the date or have immediate eviction needs".

6. Encourage them to take initiative with some homework -So hit me up if I've piqued your interest and give me at least two reasons why you think we'll be a great fit".

Then.

Actively search and seek out POTS.

Be flirtatious without being crude and dirty old man "wow your pictures had a few thoughts run through my mind, but the relationship is too new to share those thoughts just yet, LOL".

Be engaging via email and move to texting as soon as possible.

Have pics to share. Via text only. Limit it to 3 and remind them that you are married (if appropriate) so you just use that to make sure everyone is happy with what they see.

Do not send dic pics! Don't ask for pics after the first 3 or 4 (until after you have met), make sure to get a full body pic.

*Super Important*.

Bring small gifts in a gift bag to the first date. Get your pattern down for what's in the bag, but include a Thank You card with about $40-$50 visa gift card inside. You can say it's for gas, etc. Remember they are looking for someone financially healthy, so dropping $50 for a M&G goes a long way. Especially since there are not any sexual expectations. Spending a little upfront will get you way more down the road.

Compliment in as many ways as possible the entire relationship. Even slide them in during conversation "Well, maybe we are getting such good service because they see how pretty you are and think you are famous or something (don't forget to laugh)".

This has worked wonders for me, "I've been told over and over, you make me feel so beautiful and special". That is always a sign that I've been successful.

BigTigg.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;3028523]I've been asked by a number of people what I have in my profile and for help getting attention on SB websites. So I thought it best to just post it here. I've had two main profiles over the years and there were a few constant themes that women have complimented me on with examples.

In your profile, make sure it hits the following areas:

1. Be engaging and funny-- "Not only can I keep a secret, tie my shoes and chew gum at the same, eat with all of my (god-given) brushed teeth, entice you with my smile and faint scent of cologne. ".

2. Be specific with what you are looking for from her and what you bring to the table without using numerical expressions-- (meet twice a week, travel every now and then. Someone who's fun to be around, no drama with passion and has a little 007 street smarts, I cover all expenses and you will be taken care of in and outside of the bedroom).

3. Appeal to their mind and frustrations -- "It's time out for one-sided relationships and imbalanced expectations. It's time that you spent your time with someone who appreciates you, your faults, your strengths, your insecurities and your loyalty. ".

4. Downplay when appropriate / show humility but confidence -- "Ok, I'm not 6'2, but I have a big. Personality and I suck in my stomach really well".

5. Show you are not desperate, have some guile with guidelines - "I have no problem waiting for the right one and skipping those who can't even get gas to meet me at the date or have immediate eviction needs".

6. Encourage them to take initiative with some homework -So hit me up if I've piqued your interest and give me at least two reasons why you think we'll be a great fit".

Then.

Actively search and seek out POTS.

Be flirtatious without being crude and dirty old man "wow your pictures had a few thoughts run through my mind, but the relationship is too new to share those thoughts just yet, LOL".

Be engaging via email and move to texting as soon as possible.

Have pics to share. Via text only. Limit it to 3 and remind them that you are married (if appropriate) so you just use that to make sure everyone is happy with what they see.

Do not send dic pics! Don't ask for pics after the first 3 or 4 (until after you have met), make sure to get a full body pic.

*Super Important*.

Bring small gifts in a gift bag to the first date. Get your pattern down for what's in the bag, but include a Thank You card with about $40-$50 visa gift card inside. You can say it's for gas, etc. Remember they are looking for someone financially healthy, so dropping $50 for a M&G goes a long way. Especially since there are not any sexual expectations. Spending a little upfront will get you way more down the road.

Compliment in as many ways as possible the entire relationship. Even slide them in during conversation "Well, maybe we are getting such good service because they see how pretty you are and think you are famous or something (don't forget to laugh)".

This has worked wonders for me, "I've been told over and over, you make me feel so beautiful and special". That is always a sign that I've been successful.

BigTigg.[/QUOTE]Pretty well thought out and a good profile does wonders when they actually do get around to reading it. Most that contact me I have to ask if they read the profile, redirect them back to profile and then if still interested to get back to me. Now both can really go overboard with the profile and once you do a m / g you find someone else did the profile for them because the person sitting across from ya couldn't have crafted it or nowhere resembles that person. Now I'm dead set against gifts at the m / g. Now if she had to travel a distance I find gas money ok. But a gift for showing is a no no. Now if your wanting to impress then accept their arrangement request without haggling if its in the budget. The arrangement is the most important to these girls, then personality. Had numerous girls tell me they stay in a lt arrangement because the money was good. That was the only reason they hung in there so long. Your right about thedic pic or treating them like a hooker. From reading the various sd threads you can see most have no idea as to what a true sb is so they treat them like a hooker. Anway pretty good advice with just some of my thoughts.