"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I have had many stripper bunnies, especially from strip joints that offer private lap dances. It isn't much of a step for a girl from rubbing her snatch all over your crotch to taking it to a hotel room. One-night stands this way are fun but a more permanent and usual SB arrangement can be made for usually a much lesser per visit cost.

I have found that the key to finding a good stripper bunny is attitude. Strippers are like most girls: some are greedy, brazen, cold, jaded and difficult. Others are reasonable, pleasant, sweet and easy-going. One good thing about SB hunting in strip clubs is that you can get to know a stripper pretty easily face to face and give her a test run in the back room.

This particular stripper bunny was very nice. I bought her a drink. We talked at length. Enjoyed a few cum rubs in the back. She was very agreeable to trying a LT SB arrangement. I was pretty sure about exactly what body / personality package I was buying.

It was very good from the start. She was experienced, skilled and enjoyed pleasing as well as being pleased. She gives me some of the best DT I have ever had and anything I want to try is on the table. She will lick fuck and suck me any way I want. She knows she could make more with one-night stands. She also knows that a regular no-bad-surprises arrangement is a good deal for her.

I love it when she does hot lap dances for me. There are no rules like in the club so I can pretend I am a customer and she can take out my cock, tease it and suck it and take as long as she likes because we don't have to stop when the song is over or pony up more cash for another song. An hour of wild lap dancing/hot teasing costs a very small fraction of what it would cost at a strip club and after that I can fuck her brains out.

Life is GOOD my brothers.

[QUOTE=CoolRaj;2969173]Hello All- I wanted to share my today's experience. I contacted to a 19 year college student. Beautiful pic. Scheduled a location for M&g around 65 miles away my place. About 2 hour to date time, she messaged me to paypal me $5 for gas. I just wonder how she can't have $5 for gas. I knew something wrong, either scam or trying verify something. I asked, are you verifying something. She said yes. I gave her 5 $ via paypal. After sometime she said another 10 $ as the previous amount didn't help her much. I said, tell me where you are and I will fill your gas or book a uber. She wasnt ready. So I said I can't give and canceled though the picture was very beautiful.

I believe that was a scam not sure what was that. That's why I am interested a thread in Boston so that we can inform each other about these girls.[/QUOTE]If you do get someone to start a thread in Boston make sure you guys post links to the profiles. See the Cincinnati and Knoxville threads as an example.

[QUOTE=CoolRaj;2969173]Hello All- I wanted to share my today's experience. I contacted to a 19 year college student. Beautiful pic. Scheduled a location for M&g around 65 miles away my place. About 2 hour to date time, she messaged me to paypal me $5 for gas. I just wonder how she can't have $5 for gas. I knew something wrong, either scam or trying verify something. I asked, are you verifying something. She said yes. I gave her 5 $ via paypal. After sometime she said another 10 $ as the previous amount didn't help her much. I said, tell me where you are and I will fill your gas or book a uber. She wasnt ready. So I said I can't give and canceled though the picture was very beautiful.

I believe that was a scam not sure what was that. That's why I am interested a thread in Boston so that we can inform each other about these girls.[/QUOTE]Sorry to say it was a total scam. She was unlikely to meet you. NEVER provide cash before a meet. Either arrange an Uber, or taxi if they can't get to you and you're certain they're real.

The key to remember is that there are plenty of SB's out there. If one starts this sort of game, then move on to the next and don't let it bother you.

We need to all fully out the scammers.

[QUOTE=CoolRaj;2969173]Hello All- I wanted to share my today's experience. I contacted to a 19 year college student. Beautiful pic. Scheduled a location for M&g around 65 miles away my place. About 2 hour to date time, she messaged me to paypal me $5 for gas. I just wonder how she can't have $5 for gas. I knew something wrong, either scam or trying verify something. I asked, are you verifying something. She said yes. I gave her 5 $ via paypal. After sometime she said another 10 $ as the previous amount didn't help her much. I said, tell me where you are and I will fill your gas or book a uber. She wasnt ready. So I said I can't give and canceled though the picture was very beautiful.

I believe that was a scam not sure what was that. That's why I am interested a thread in Boston so that we can inform each other about these girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;2969347]I have had many stripper bunnies, especially from strip joints that offer private lap dances. It isn't much of a step for a girl from rubbing her snatch all over your crotch to taking it to a hotel room. One-night stands this way are fun but a more permanent and usual SB arrangement can be made for usually a much lesser per visit cost. I have found that the key to finding a good stripper bunny is attitude. Strippers are like most girls: some are greedy, brazen, cold, jaded and difficult. Others are reasonable, pleasant, sweet and easy-going. One good thing about SB hunting in strip clubs is that you can get to know a stripper pretty easily face to face and give her a test run in the back room.[/QUOTE]Stripper takeout hunting is one of my favorite pastimes, because I like the certainty of seeing what I'll be getting, and the uncertainty of knowing whether I can talk her into leaving the club with me. If I set up a date with an SB I met online, there is a bit of uncertainty as to whether I'll like her as much as her online pics, and a little too much certainty in the sense that I know if I do like her it's going straight to the FC every time.

Although I wouldn't say stripper hunting is easy, depends on what you're going for and where. In certain cities, and / or hole in the wall type clubs, yes. Some clubs more or less operate like stealth brothels anyway. But my preference is for hunting in the most upscale clubs where the girls are already making a few hundred per night minimum, and they aren't going to give up that kind of income and go home with you (not to mention risking getting fired) unless you've gotten them sufficiently interested in the sex itself. One of the "perfect storm" balances is when you're lucky enough to find a traveling stripper working at an upscale club -- higher quality pussy, but she doesn't have the fear of losing a long-standing job or source of income so she's likely to be more adventurous. Sometimes they just want a fuck buddy when they are dancing in a particular city to show them around or hang out with.

I would say overall my cost per fuck with strippers might be about the same or perhaps even lower than with SBs. Buying them out of the club can be expensive but schedule follow up dates on their night off. If they like you they'll hang out just for fun, sometimes even buy you the drinks. Girls in upscale clubs can get $300+ in a single VIP room fleece job session and turn down random offers for $1 k+ to fuck guys outside the club pretty much every day of the week. Some of them have surprisingly affluent / self-funded lifestyles, so they have to really want to fuck you to do it for a couple of hundred, it's more or less just to compensate them for the income they are going to lose by not staying at the club.

[QUOTE=CoolRaj;2969173]I believe that was a scam not sure what was that. That's why I am interested a thread in Boston so that we can inform each other about these girls.[/QUOTE]If you follow a few basic rules that get discussed in this thread, you won't need to discuss individual girls to avoid scams. By just following the golden rule of Fuck First Pay Later (which implies never, ever advancing payment), you would have avoided this one, whether or not you colluded with other SDs. Plus by showing her she can get away with it, you've only increased the chances that she'll try it again with someone else, or maybe she'll hit you up again with fake pics under a different profile. No matter how many SDs you warn, there will always be more she can go after.

She is possibly not even local to Boston, she might roam various cities under a few dozen different profiles, so putting the word out to Boston brothers wouldn't likely have little effect. She might not even be a she. Or if she did produce a female voice over a phone, it could be her boyfriend behind the scam.

The only effective strategy against scam behavior is to stick to the golden rule. If we could get all SDs to do this, scammers would go away.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2969798]Stripper takeout hunting is one of my favorite pastimes, because I like the certainty of seeing what I'll be getting, and the uncertainty of knowing whether I can talk her into leaving the club with me.[/QUOTE]YES. The thrill of the hunt is so much more exciting when done live, especially when the target is taking her clothes off for you and rubbing naked all over you in a private room.You get a very good look at the merchandise before you decide to buy.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2969798]Although I wouldn't say stripper hunting is easy, depends on what you're going for and where. In certain cities, and / or hole in the wall type clubs, yes. Some clubs more or less operate like stealth brothels anyway. But my preference is for hunting in the most upscale clubs where the girls are already making a few hundred per night minimum, and they aren't going to give up that kind of income and go home with you (not to mention risking getting fired) unless you've gotten them sufficiently interested in the sex itself. One of the "perfect storm" balances is when you're lucky enough to find a traveling stripper working at an upscale club -- higher quality pussy, but she doesn't have the fear of losing a long-standing job or source of income so she's likely to be more adventurous. Sometimes they just want a fuck buddy when they are dancing in a particular city to show them around or hang out with..[/QUOTE]We all have different preferences. That's what makes the world go 'round. I prefer hole in the wall clubs. You can find some gems there. They don't make a lot of money so it is relatively easy to convince them to take the action to a hotel. The negotiation afterward for regular gigs is also a lot easier than with upscale strippers, and, if you are selective, you can find some very attractive meat at a low cost per "pound. " .

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2969798]I would say overall my cost per fuck with strippers might be about the same or perhaps even lower than with SBs. [/QUOTE]My experience precisely.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2969798]Buying them out of the club can be expensive but schedule follow up dates on their night off. If they like you they'll hang out just for fun, sometimes even buy you the drinks. Girls in upscale clubs can get $300+ in a single VIP room fleece job session and turn down random offers for $1 k+ to fuck guys outside the club pretty much every day of the week. Some of them have surprisingly affluent / self-funded lifestyles, so they have to really want to fuck you to do it for a couple of hundred, it's more or less just to compensate them for the income they are going to lose by not staying at the club.[/QUOTE]This is one of the reasons I prefer the "choice" strippers in lower scale clubs. I like the challenge but I don't like the challenge to be too difficult or expensive. Just call me a value shopper for SBs.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2969807]If you follow a few basic rules that get discussed in this thread, you won't need to discuss individual girls to avoid scams. By just following the golden rule of Fuck First Pay Later (which implies never, ever advancing payment), you would have avoided this one, whether or not you colluded with other SDs. Plus by showing her she can get away with it, you've only increased the chances that she'll try it again with someone else, or maybe she'll hit you up again with fake pics under a different profile. No matter how many SDs you warn, there will always be more she can go after.

She is possibly not even local to Boston, she might roam various cities under a few dozen different profiles, so putting the word out to Boston brothers wouldn't likely have little effect. She might not even be a she. Or if she did produce a female voice over a phone, it could be her boyfriend behind the scam.

The only effective strategy against scam behavior is to stick to the golden rule. If we could get all SDs to do this, scammers would go away.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with JeezLizard and I should have avoid that. Just $4 so thought she should not be scamming though I have suspicion. Thanks again for all the information.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2969807]If you follow a few basic rules that get discussed in this thread, you won't need to discuss individual girls to avoid scams. By just following the golden rule of Fuck First Pay Later (which implies never, ever advancing payment), you would have avoided this one, whether or not you colluded with other SDs. Plus by showing her she can get away with it, you've only increased the chances that she'll try it again with someone else, or maybe she'll hit you up again with fake pics under a different profile. No matter how many SDs you warn, there will always be more she can go after.

She is possibly not even local to Boston, she might roam various cities under a few dozen different profiles, so putting the word out to Boston brothers wouldn't likely have little effect. She might not even be a she. Or if she did produce a female voice over a phone, it could be her boyfriend behind the scam.

The only effective strategy against scam behavior is to stick to the golden rule. If we could get all SDs to do this, scammers would go away.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2969565]Sorry to say it was a total scam. She was unlikely to meet you. NEVER provide cash before a meet. Either arrange an Uber, or taxi if they can't get to you and you're certain they're real.

The key to remember is that there are plenty of SB's out there. If one starts this sort of game, then move on to the next and don't let it bother you.[/QUOTE]Hi BikeRider. Thanks a lot for the suggestion and encouragement. Basic thumb rule, no money before f*.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2969492]If you do get someone to start a thread in Boston make sure you guys post links to the profiles. See the Cincinnati and Knoxville threads as an example.[/QUOTE]Sure sir. I will do that.

Well she did contact me and said she was having car trouble. Now she did have issues the first time we met too. So we did not meet Saturday. But she said she wanted to reschedule. Yeah. Yeah. She texts the next day and says she should have her car back Monday if I would like to meet that eve. Ding ding. I said ok. We had a nice 2 hour dinner. Have made plans for Saturday eve. This will not be a fast process but I think once in. She is in for the long haul. She communicates well. Too. Not 24 hr later oh what you texted me? BS. Spas far as body. She is built exactly like Bella Thorne. Photo attached in case you do not know who Bella is.

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2965427]All things we know but always need to be reminded of. Women do integrate much more comprehensively rather than compartmentalize. We had been texting a bit for a few days before so I am sure your correct in your assessment of her pulling all the info together =. We had communicated about 2 mths ago and she was wanting $3500 month. Saying that is what her former SD gave her. Honestly after meeting he in person. I am pretty sure she is not full of BS. Not just from a looks stand point but her personna she could command that. And I do not mean in an overpowering way. But she has a calming ease to her. But few of us and match that number. At that time I just thanked her and said I unfortunately do not have that level of support. I then reached back out about a week ago and re engaged her. Obviously she had one of the golden daddys. Good experience and good money. I am a good "daddy" and decent money but not that category. I promised her $1500 mth to count on and some extras as I can so will need up being around 2 k. She said she will be reasonably available for me and most of our time once we get acquainted enough will be overnights. So lets see how it all pans out.[/QUOTE]

Anybody had any dealing with this girl, she seems odd. I don't want to be robbed.

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2972974]Well she did contact me and said she was having car trouble. Now she did have issues the first time we met too. So we did not meet Saturday. But she said she wanted to reschedule. Yeah. Yeah. She texts the next day and says she should have her car back Monday if I would like to meet that eve. Ding ding. I said ok. We had a nice 2 hour dinner. Have made plans for Saturday eve. This will not be a fast process but I think once in. She is in for the long haul. She communicates well. Too. Not 24 hr later oh what you texted me? BS. Spas far as body. She is built exactly like Bella Thorne. Photo attached in case you do not know who Bella is.[/QUOTE]Wow, I thought, that's the SB? I'm moving to Richmond. LOL.

Richmond, 25 on SA. Tattoo Queen to the extreme. I was very surprised when I opened the door. Too much a diva for me and when she says she is not an escort, she is right.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;2975295]Richmond, 25 on SA. Tattoo Queen to the extreme. I was very surprised when I opened the door. Too much a diva for me and when she says she is not an escort, she is right.[/QUOTE]Hey Lonely Brother.

If she's not an escort, isn't that a good thing? Cryptic postings are the same as no post at all, in my opinion. A little more verbage would be useful. USASG doesn't charge by the word, and if you've read back in this journal / thread, you will know we like to be verbose!

Bring it,

Scott.

[QUOTE=FScott;2975922]Hey Lonely Brother.

If she's not an escort, isn't that a good thing? Cryptic postings are the same as no post at all, in my opinion. A little more verbage would be useful. USASG doesn't charge by the word, and if you've read back in this journal / thread, you will know we like to be verbose!

Bring it,

Scott.[/QUOTE]The main point of my post was to inform everyone she is loaded with ink. As for as behind closed doors went, I saw her for femdom services which was ok. Will not repeat as she talked too much about her current hard times and I'm no fan of all that ink. Bleached blonde, over tanned, burnout out old cheerleader look. No sex on the menu presented to me. YMMV.

[QUOTE=BaldEagle;2975054]Anybody had any dealing with this girl, she seems odd. I don't want to be robbed.[/QUOTE]Risk of getting robbed shouldn't really be an issue in sugaring. Meet her at a restaurant / coffee shop, etc.

If she's inviting you straight to her place or coming straight to yours for the initial meet&greet, she's just an escort anyway, and yes there's a robbery risk there but if escorts are what you want, you'll get them cheaper on BP.

An SB will want the meeting to take place somewhere there are security cams and not somewhere too private. Privacy is for the FC after the initial meet.

The last week several of my babies have all asked for funds out of the blue. Even two POT's I was chatting with on SA came out and asked for funds.

Is it the weather?

This girl advertised on Craig's List. There is a a lot of junk there: fake ads; jaded pros, overpriced ugly gals, no-shows. But I still like SB hunting there because finding a gem every once in a while makes up for all the hassles.

She had never done this before. 19. Fresh and sweet. A friend suggested this to her as a way to make a little extra money. I was firmly but nicely authoritative. Do as I tell you. Strip. Kneel. Lick under my balls. All around my ass. Put your tongue in my ass. Tongue fuck my ass while stroking my cock. That's it, keep it up until I tell you to stop.. Lick my cock. Suck the tip. Slide your lips all the way slowly to my balls. That's a good girl. Stay all the way down to my balls. Use your tongue. Now, suck all the way up and all the way down. Slowly. That's a good girl. A little faster. Use that tongue. Get my cock good and hard. Faster. Suck that dick like it was your last meal. Oh, fuck yeah. Suck it like a naughty girl. Sloppy. Fast. Fuckin A. Suck it. Suck it. That's it. When I cum hold it in your mouth. Dribble the cum back over my cock. Suck it off again. Dribble it on my cock. Suck it off again. Keep doing that until I tell you to stop. Now I am going to hold your nose. Show me the cum on your tongue. Swallow. Lick your lips. Smile. Good girl.

This girl is my obedient suck and fuck toy. She does whatever I tell her. She doesn't know any better. This is the way this arrangement has worked from the beginning. Imagine anything you ever wanted to tell a girl to do and I have done it. On your knees. Spread your cheeks. That's a good girl. Take my hard cock up your tight little ass. Squeeze it. Play with your clitty. . show me how naughty sluts take it up the ass. Bark like a doggie. Now cum all over that big hard cock. Have a hot ass cum. That's it. Yeah!. Goooood girl.

In the beginning of our getting together she hardly said a word. Just did as I said. Oddly enough she is still sweet and rather shy, but she has told me on many an occasion she really likes taking orders from me and doing whatever pleases me. It makes her hot. She never had an orgasm before meeting me. Now she cums. A lot. Screams. Squirms. Squeals. Spasms. Squirts. And gives me a big warm smile.

Life is good my brothers.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;2977390]This girl advertised on Craig's List. There is a a lot of junk there: fake ads; jaded pros, overpriced ugly gals, no-shows. But I still like SB hunting there because finding a gem every once in a while makes up for all the hassles.

She had never done this before. 19. Fresh and sweet. A friend suggested this to her as a way to make a little extra money. I was firmly but nicely authoritative. Do as I tell you. Strip. Kneel. Lick under my balls. All around my ass. Put your tongue in my ass. Tongue fuck my ass while stroking my cock. That's it, keep it up until I tell you to stop.. Lick my cock. Suck the tip. Slide your lips all the way slowly to my balls. That's a good girl. Stay all the way down to my balls. Use your tongue. Now, suck all the way up and all the way down. Slowly. That's a good girl. A little faster. Use that tongue. Get my cock good and hard. Faster. Suck that dick like it was your last meal. Oh, fuck yeah. Suck it like a naughty girl. Sloppy. Fast. Fuckin A. Suck it. Suck it. That's it. When I cum hold it in your mouth. Dribble the cum back over my cock. Suck it off again. Dribble it on my cock. Suck it off again. Keep doing that until I tell you to stop. Now I am going to hold your nose. Show me the cum on your tongue. Swallow. Lick your lips. Smile. Good girl.

This girl is my obedient suck and fuck toy. She does whatever I tell her. She doesn't know any better. This is the way this arrangement has worked from the beginning. Imagine anything you ever wanted to tell a girl to do and I have done it. On your knees. Spread your cheeks. That's a good girl. Take my hard cock up your tight little ass. Squeeze it. Play with your clitty. . show me how naughty sluts take it up the ass. Bark like a doggie. Now cum all over that big hard cock. Have a hot ass cum. That's it. Yeah!. Goooood girl.

In the beginning of our getting together she hardly said a word. Just did as I said. Oddly enough she is still sweet and rather shy, but she has told me on many an occasion she really likes taking orders from me and doing whatever pleases me. It makes her hot. She never had an orgasm before meeting me. Now she cums. A lot. Screams. Squirms. Squeals. Spasms. Squirts. And gives me a big warm smile.

Life is good my brothers.[/QUOTE]Sure wish I could find 1 like that. You make us all jealous.

A lot of bills are due at the start of the month and mist rent. It's always a good time to look for take out at a strip club. Similar motives for babies I'm sure.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2977227]The last week several of my babies have all asked for funds out of the blue. Even two POT's I was chatting with on SA came out and asked for funds.

Is it the weather?[/QUOTE]

A SB I've been seeing says that a SD filmed her and posted / shared it on a forum about the sugarbowl. Sounds like a forum / conversation I want to be a part of (in addition to this one, obviously). Any ideas where that would be? PM me if you prefer.

Thanks,

B25.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;2977390]This girl advertised on Craig's List. There is a a lot of junk there: fake ads; jaded pros, overpriced ugly gals, no-shows. But I still like SB hunting there because finding a gem every once in a while makes up for all the hassles.

She had never done this before. 19. Fresh and sweet. A friend suggested this to her as a way to make a little extra money. I was firmly but nicely authoritative. Do as I tell you. Strip. Kneel. Lick under my balls. All around my ass. Put your tongue in my ass. Tongue fuck my ass while stroking my cock. That's it, keep it up until I tell you to stop.. Lick my cock. Suck the tip. Slide your lips all the way slowly to my balls. That's a good girl. Stay all the way down to my balls. Use your tongue. Now, suck all the way up and all the way down. Slowly. That's a good girl. A little faster. Use that tongue. Get my cock good and hard. Faster. Suck that dick like it was your last meal. Oh, fuck yeah. Suck it like a naughty girl. Sloppy. Fast. Fuckin A. Suck it. Suck it. That's it. When I cum hold it in your mouth. Dribble the cum back over my cock. Suck it off again. Dribble it on my cock. Suck it off again. Keep doing that until I tell you to stop. Now I am going to hold your nose. Show me the cum on your tongue. Swallow. Lick your lips. Smile. Good girl.

This girl is my obedient suck and fuck toy. She does whatever I tell her. She doesn't know any better. This is the way this arrangement has worked from the beginning. Imagine anything you ever wanted to tell a girl to do and I have done it. On your knees. Spread your cheeks. That's a good girl. Take my hard cock up your tight little ass. Squeeze it. Play with your clitty. . show me how naughty sluts take it up the ass. Bark like a doggie. Now cum all over that big hard cock. Have a hot ass cum. That's it. Yeah!. Goooood girl.

In the beginning of our getting together she hardly said a word. Just did as I said. Oddly enough she is still sweet and rather shy, but she has told me on many an occasion she really likes taking orders from me and doing whatever pleases me. It makes her hot. She never had an orgasm before meeting me. Now she cums. A lot. Screams. Squirms. Squeals. Spasms. Squirts. And gives me a big warm smile.

Life is good my brothers.[/QUOTE]Dude, you need to be writing porn novels LOL. Reading this made little Johnny hard as hell LOL.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2969798]Stripper takeout hunting is one of my favorite pastimes, because I like the certainty of seeing what I'll be getting, and the uncertainty of knowing whether I can talk her into leaving the club with me. If I set up a date with an SB I met online, there is a bit of uncertainty as to whether I'll like her as much as her online pics, and a little too much certainty in the sense that I know if I do like her it's going straight to the FC every time.

Although I wouldn't say stripper hunting is easy, depends on what you're going for and where. In certain cities, and / or hole in the wall type clubs, yes. Some clubs more or less operate like stealth brothels anyway. But my preference is for hunting in the most upscale clubs where the girls are already making a few hundred per night minimum, and they aren't going to give up that kind of income and go home with you (not to mention risking getting fired) unless you've gotten them sufficiently interested in the sex itself. One of the "perfect storm" balances is when you're lucky enough to find a traveling stripper working at an upscale club -- higher quality pussy, but she doesn't have the fear of losing a long-standing job or source of income so she's likely to be more adventurous. Sometimes they just want a fuck buddy when they are dancing in a particular city to show them around or hang out with.

I would say overall my cost per fuck with strippers might be about the same or perhaps even lower than with SBs. Buying them out of the club can be expensive but schedule follow up dates on their night off. If they like you they'll hang out just for fun, sometimes even buy you the drinks. Girls in upscale clubs can get $300+ in a single VIP room fleece job session and turn down random offers for $1 k+ to fuck guys outside the club pretty much every day of the week. Some of them have surprisingly affluent / self-funded lifestyles, so they have to really want to fuck you to do it for a couple of hundred, it's more or less just to compensate them for the income they are going to lose by not staying at the club.[/QUOTE]Most of my SB's have been strippers in the Richmond area. They are the best.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2977227]The last week several of my babies have all asked for funds out of the blue. Even two POT's I was chatting with on SA came out and asked for funds.

Is it the weather?[/QUOTE]Must be the weather. LOL. I have had the same experience this week.

I'm very new to the SB / SD thing. Thanks to this Forum I have gained some insight else I'd be clueless. Based on the advice received here I did take a premium subscription to SA. Thank God for it I did manage to work up a good short list of SBs that are in regular touch and many of them I did manage to move them out to keep in touch over text and snapchat. Overall my biggest frustration is that the amount of baby sitting these sugar babies need. OMG. If patience is not your thing you will have a touch time. It is like fishing in a pond. Many a time we chat actively and make plans to have a date in the next few days. I will go through the process of taking time off from work and other commitments. And, when the time and day comes your SB would either go radio silent or bail out saying that her car broke down or she is not feeling too well or something like that. Damn. Among all these experiences I had one SB who was only 19 was ready to meet right away. She was like 55 miles away and she was even willing to come to my place. I suspected that this had to be a UTR. Then I offered to meet her at a coffee shop mid point and drove to that place thinking that she would not show up. Surprise. She did show up and she seemed genuine. She also did not talk about any Sugar. She said she would love to be my SB slave. And, I was like why don't we sit in my car and chat a little bit as the coffee shop was closing for the night. As I was trying to make some small conversation in the back of my car she surprised me by quickly grabbing my face and planting kisses. Soon she dropped off all her clothes and would have had sex right there. I had to restrain myself with great difficulty as it was still a public parking lot and I ended up having an amazing bbjcim. After cleaning up and a bit of chatting she realized it was past 11 pm and she needed to get back home. In a hurry she said that she hopes to see me later. Still we didn't discuss any sugar. T felt bad that I didn't really plan to exchange sugar during the M&G but I was able to come up with. 40 which I said is for the Gas. After couple days a lot of sexting happened. She was sending me pics of her in the shower and so on. Agreed to go on a date w her this week. She asked if there would b any sugar. Offered $. 5 per meet. Accepted w / o any negotiation. Date and time was fixed. Active exchange of texts until the point I was actually driving to the meeting place. Then she sent the dreaded text. Sorry Car broke down please lets reschedule. Damn. I was insistent that its OK I can come pick her up. She said that she is in a location that she can't meet. Anyways, after couple of exchanges she went radio silent. I'm clueless as to what the fuck happened. Perhaps she will come around after some time. One never can be sure. And, I'm now coming to accept the fact that SBs are weirdly wired. Its hard to deal them logically. Spontaneity clicks. Esp when they are looking for a connection. And, if you catch them at the right moment they are daring, trusting and willing to go all the way.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;2978856]I'm very new to the SB / SD thing. Thanks to this Forum I have gained some insight else I'd be clueless. Based on the advice received here I did take a premium subscription to SA. Thank God for it I did manage to work up a good short list of SBs that are in regular touch and many of them I did manage to move them out to keep in touch over text and snapchat. Overall my biggest frustration is that the amount of baby sitting these sugar babies need. OMG. If patience is not your thing you will have a touch time. It is like fishing in a pond. Many a time we chat actively and make plans to have a date in the next few days. I will go through the process of taking time off from work and other commitments. And, when the time and day comes your SB would either go radio silent or bail out saying that her car broke down or she is not feeling too well or something like that. Damn. Among all these experiences I had one SB who was only 19 was ready to meet right away. She was like 55 miles away and she was even willing to come to my place. I suspected that this had to be a UTR. Then I offered to meet her at a coffee shop mid point and drove to that place thinking that she would not show up. Surprise. She did show up and she seemed genuine. She also did not talk about any Sugar. She said she would love to be my SB slave. And, I was like why don't we sit in my car and chat a little bit as the coffee shop was closing for the night. As I was trying to make some small conversation in the back of my car she surprised me by quickly grabbing my face and planting kisses. Soon she dropped off all her clothes and would have had sex right there. I had to restrain myself with great difficulty as it was still a public parking lot and I ended up having an amazing bbjcim. After cleaning up and a bit of chatting she realized it was past 11 pm and she needed to get back home. In a hurry she said that she hopes to see me later. Still we didn't discuss any sugar. T felt bad that I didn't really plan to exchange sugar during the M&G but I was able to come up with. 40 which I said is for the Gas. After couple days a lot of sexting happened. She was sending me pics of her in the shower and so on. Agreed to go on a date w her this week. She asked if there would b any sugar. Offered $. 5 per meet. Accepted w / o any negotiation. Date and time was fixed. Active exchange of texts until the point I was actually driving to the meeting place. Then she sent the dreaded text. Sorry Car broke down please lets reschedule. Damn. I was insistent that its OK I can come pick her up. She said that she is in a location that she can't meet. Anyways, after couple of exchanges she went radio silent. I'm clueless as to what the fuck happened. Perhaps she will come around after some time. One never can be sure. And, I'm now coming to accept the fact that SBs are weirdly wired. Its hard to deal them logically. Spontaneity clicks. Esp when they are looking for a connection. And, if you catch them at the right moment they are daring, trusting and willing to go all the way.[/QUOTE]Its called being a 19 yo kid. Expect this from the young ones. Sounds like you had a great experience for very minimal price so chalk it up to a win. Probably was utr but you had a good time.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;2978856]I'm very new to the SB / SD thing. Thanks to this Forum I have gained some insight else I'd be clueless. Based on the advice received here I did take a premium subscription to SA. Thank God for it I did manage to work up a good short list of SBs that are in regular touch and many of them I did manage to move them out to keep in touch over text and snapchat. Overall my biggest frustration is that the amount of baby sitting these sugar babies need. OMG. If patience is not your thing you will have a touch time. It is like fishing in a pond. Many a time we chat actively and make plans to have a date in the next few days. I will go through the process of taking time off from work and other commitments. And, when the time and day comes your SB would either go radio silent or bail out saying that her car broke down or she is not feeling too well or something like that. Damn. Among all these experiences I had one SB who was only 19 was ready to meet right away. She was like 55 miles away and she was even willing to come to my place. I suspected that this had to be a UTR. Then I offered to meet her at a coffee shop mid point and drove to that place thinking that she would not show up. Surprise. She did show up and she seemed genuine. She also did not talk about any Sugar. She said she would love to be my SB slave. And, I was like why don't we sit in my car and chat a little bit as the coffee shop was closing for the night. As I was trying to make some small conversation in the back of my car she surprised me by quickly grabbing my face and planting kisses. Soon she dropped off all her clothes and would have had sex right there. I had to restrain myself with great difficulty as it was still a public parking lot and I ended up having an amazing bbjcim. After cleaning up and a bit of chatting she realized it was past 11 pm and she needed to get back home. In a hurry she said that she hopes to see me later. Still we didn't discuss any sugar. T felt bad that I didn't really plan to exchange sugar during the M&G but I was able to come up with. 40 which I said is for the Gas. After couple days a lot of sexting happened. She was sending me pics of her in the shower and so on. Agreed to go on a date w her this week. She asked if there would b any sugar. Offered $. 5 per meet. Accepted w / o any negotiation. Date and time was fixed. Active exchange of texts until the point I was actually driving to the meeting place. Then she sent the dreaded text. Sorry Car broke down please lets reschedule. Damn. I was insistent that its OK I can come pick her up. She said that she is in a location that she can't meet. Anyways, after couple of exchanges she went radio silent. I'm clueless as to what the fuck happened. Perhaps she will come around after some time. One never can be sure. And, I'm now coming to accept the fact that SBs are weirdly wired. Its hard to deal them logically. Spontaneity clicks. Esp when they are looking for a connection. And, if you catch them at the right moment they are daring, trusting and willing to go all the way.[/QUOTE]One thing that has worked reasonably well for me in the past regarding flaky behavior is simply to adopt a zero tolerance policy for flakiness, poor reliability, etc. And communicate that policy loud and clear without ever acting pissed.

Example: 20 year old SB keeps texting me asking when I will be in town next, so I say "Wed", great she says she's so excited to see me again. Then Wednesday comes, and after I'm in town and have pretty much freed up the entire evening for her, she says "my work schedule changed and I have to be there by 8 so I can only spend a couple of hours with you before I go to work". My response is "let's do this some other night when you don't have to work then". Notice I didn't say "can you call your boss and fix your schedule?" I just canceled outright, zero negotiation. Suddenly, she's able to call her boss and fix the issue so she can go in later. Then, after our fuck sessions are over and I finally do take her to work, she gets in the parking lot and decides to call in sick and not go to work at all (almost like she made up her mind she was going to flake on someone that day, it just turned out I wasn't willing to be the victim).

In other words I don't go to the extreme of saying "look, if you can't manage your life well enough to show up reliably for your dates on time, I'm just going to book another SB", but at the same time I make it clear I'm a busy guy and that once I've agreed to a time and place I'm good for it, and that I expect the same from her. Yes it takes some willpower to walk away from pussy sometimes, but just in case she flakes, I try to have a few backup contacts that may or may not be available at the last minute, and failing that I'll find the nearest strip club and hunt there. I'd rather do that then show them that they can jerk my schedule around as they please. But never get pissed or show anger, it would just scare them off.

I also try to confirm with them ahead of time to be sure they are free and clear and can show up when they say they will be there. Fairly often they do the same with me, I'm sure some of them have had their share of flaky SDs.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;2978856]I'm very new to the SB / SD thing. Thanks to this Forum I have gained some insight else I'd be clueless. Based on the advice received here I did take a premium subscription to SA. Thank God for it I did manage to work up a good short list of SBs that are in regular touch and many of them I did manage to move them out to keep in touch over text and snapchat. Overall my biggest frustration is that the amount of baby sitting these sugar babies need. OMG. If patience is not your thing you will have a touch time. It is like fishing in a pond. Many a time we chat actively and make plans to have a date in the next few days. I will go through the process of taking time off from work and other commitments. And, when the time and day comes your SB would either go radio silent or bail out saying that her car broke down or she is not feeling too well or something like that. Damn. Among all these experiences I had one SB who was only 19 was ready to meet right away. She was like 55 miles away and she was even willing to come to my place. I suspected that this had to be a UTR. Then I offered to meet her at a coffee shop mid point and drove to that place thinking that she would not show up. Surprise. She did show up and she seemed genuine. She also did not talk about any Sugar. She said she would love to be my SB slave. And, I was like why don't we sit in my car and chat a little bit as the coffee shop was closing for the night. As I was trying to make some small conversation in the back of my car she surprised me by quickly grabbing my face and planting kisses. Soon she dropped off all her clothes and would have had sex right there. I had to restrain myself with great difficulty as it was still a public parking lot and I ended up having an amazing bbjcim. After cleaning up and a bit of chatting she realized it was past 11 pm and she needed to get back home. In a hurry she said that she hopes to see me later. Still we didn't discuss any sugar. T felt bad that I didn't really plan to exchange sugar during the M&G but I was able to come up with. 40 which I said is for the Gas. After couple days a lot of sexting happened. She was sending me pics of her in the shower and so on. Agreed to go on a date w her this week. She asked if there would b any sugar. Offered $. 5 per meet. Accepted w / o any negotiation. Date and time was fixed. Active exchange of texts until the point I was actually driving to the meeting place. Then she sent the dreaded text. Sorry Car broke down please lets reschedule. Damn. I was insistent that its OK I can come pick her up. She said that she is in a location that she can't meet. Anyways, after couple of exchanges she went radio silent. I'm clueless as to what the fuck happened. Perhaps she will come around after some time. One never can be sure. And, I'm now coming to accept the fact that SBs are weirdly wired. Its hard to deal them logically. Spontaneity clicks. Esp when they are looking for a connection. And, if you catch them at the right moment they are daring, trusting and willing to go all the way.[/QUOTE]Dude, you got hot free sex with a 19 yo. All I can say is congratulations, and I hope I am so lucky.

Great pointers there, Jeez. I feel sometimes flakiness is also because SBs are new to this and chicken out in the last minute. One other question. At times, some of these SBs go radio silent for a while, then message you later giving a lame excuse as to why they flaked out last time. Part of me would feel I should not accept her back with welcome hands and another part of me would try to go with the flow. What would be the best response to seal the deal with flaky SBs second time around?

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2978996]One thing that has worked reasonably well for me in the past regarding flaky behavior is simply to adopt a zero tolerance policy for flakiness, poor reliability, etc. And communicate that policy loud and clear without ever acting pissed.

Example: 20 year old SB keeps texting me asking when I will be in town next, so I say "Wed", great she says she's so excited to see me again. Then Wednesday comes, and after I'm in town and have pretty much freed up the entire evening for her, she says "my work schedule changed and I have to be there by 8 so I can only spend a couple of hours with you before I go to work". My response is "let's do this some other night when you don't have to work then". Notice I didn't say "can you call your boss and fix your schedule?" I just canceled outright, zero negotiation. Suddenly, she's able to call her boss and fix the issue so she can go in later. Then, after our fuck sessions are over and I finally do take her to work, she gets in the parking lot and decides to call in sick and not go to work at all (almost like she made up her mind she was going to flake on someone that day, it just turned out I wasn't willing to be the victim).

In other words I don't go to the extreme of saying "look, if you can't manage your life well enough to show up reliably for your dates on time, I'm just going to book another SB", but at the same time I make it clear I'm a busy guy and that once I've agreed to a time and place I'm good for it, and that I expect the same from her. Yes it takes some willpower to walk away from pussy sometimes, but just in case she flakes, I try to have a few backup contacts that may or may not be available at the last minute, and failing that I'll find the nearest strip club and hunt there. I'd rather do that then show them that they can jerk my schedule around as they please. But never get pissed or show anger, it would just scare them off.

I also try to confirm with them ahead of time to be sure they are free and clear and can show up when they say they will be there. Fairly often they do the same with me, I'm sure some of them have had their share of flaky SDs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lebruno;2979030]Great pointers there, Jeez. I feel sometimes flakiness is also because SBs are new to this and chicken out in the last minute. One other question. At times, some of these SBs go radio silent for a while, then message you later giving a lame excuse as to why they flaked out last time. Part of me would feel I should not accept her back with welcome hands and another part of me would try to go with the flow. What would be the best response to seal the deal with flaky SBs second time around?[/QUOTE]If they are just going silent in the communication before the M&G ever occurs, then I have a certain amount of tolerance with this, because juggling all the communications can be confusing (and I've sometimes done this myself, unintentionally). There have been a few times where one I was interested in went silent and I just let it go, then the next time I was in or near her city I sent her a note (and almost like clockwork it's back on again). So, there's that, which I don't hold against them. It's easy to get a text on your phone and forget to respond and the next thing you know you haven't talked to the person in a month, just the unfortunate reality of the smartphone era and texting.

But if I schedule a M&G, or a date with them, then it represents a significant investment of time / effort. If she flaked out completely at the last minute, then I'm done and I move on. If it's maybe a day ahead of time when she cancels, then I'd understand, shit happens. But I don't really have the patience to deal with girls that are going to flake out because they are nervous about meeting or whatever. I've met girls that were first-timers and if they are interested enough to meet me then they will, and if not then I don't want a part-time job trying to convince them they should. If a girl acts like that, then by giving her a second chance I just taught her I'm a pushover, and she's most likely going to do it again even worse in the future the way I look at it.

Of course this comes down to your own personal tolerance levels and to what extent you enjoy the cat and mouse effect. I like the hunt and the challenge but I don't consider flakiness an acceptable risk of the sport so to speak. So basically to answer your question, I personally wouldn't give them a second chance but that's not to say everyone should adopt my beliefs.

I'm just of the belief that rewarding bad behavior leads to more of same.

[QUOTE=Vasail;2958716]Just logged on for the first time in months. Good to see some of the old timers still here!

What an informative thread this is, gentlemen.

I have my fake FB page with fake pictures and fake profile. Never visit anyone in my real world from that page. Unlike a lot of you, I keep a tight stable and don't wander too much. I have a few friends here in RIC, a couple in MB and a few have scattered across the country. Only had one go rogue on me and had to be deleted.

One of my babies is bi and her friend was having some money problems. She suggested the three of us get together for some afternoon delight. I gave her some cash and she checked us into a local notel. She actually told the desk clerk we only needed the room for a couple hours. Since then the three of us have made it a regular thing. My SB is tall, thin with a beautiful face and ass. Pierced nipples are an added bonus. Her friend is five foot nothin and a true tight spinner. And a model to boot.

I don't deserve this, my friends.

FB is a fine place to keep your babies if you want to keep them for a while.[/QUOTE]Nice. I'm in RIC area also. Maybe we can exchange some info.

Just passed my 1st year anniversary playing in the bowl. It has its ups and down but after getting platonic coed after coed, I finally gave up and find a 23 yo on Backpage today and got some action after a month long drought.

Probably by September I might get the itch to get back in the chase but for now it is BP weekly. Why go back to the bowl? I just can't DATY with BP girls thinking who was there an hour earlier.

[QUOTE=Velroy;2954795]So i am sure this has been stated but summer has brought a flood of sb. I live in a very isolated part of Virginia and typically see most babies being an hour to 2 hour drive from me. So yeah, I am lucky to get 4 or 5 views a week. Now I am getting 20 to 30 and 5 to 10 messages.

I'm sure they are looking for a nice beach vacation or the lot but it sure is nice to see the options for once.[/QUOTE]Yes. I'm seeing theme thing. I'm in eastern VA.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2949824]They've always been around in one form or another, but over the last several months, across many different cities, I noticed an increase in married SBs on the SD sites. Sometimes they indicate their status accurately in their profile, sometimes not, but they usually reveal it within the first day or so of communication. I don't mean the traditional 30+ year old bored housewife with a seven year itch, I'm talking very hot 20-25 year olds (some who are barely past their honeymoon when they get the itch). There's never been a shortfall of married & cheating women on any dating site, but I don't remember encountering so many that I would otherwise be interested in as someone with SB potential.

What I don't like about them of course is the potential for drama from hubby discovering the naughty. Also, a couple of times I've researched them only to find out their age-appropriate hubby is some guy working his ass off to provide for her and make ends meet, and this brings out a sympathetic side of me that makes me not want to get involved in the situation.

What I do like about them is that the sugar is not their motivation, some aren't looking for it at all. They typically are in it for the excitement, the escape from their daily routine, and in some cases a porn-addicted hubby that doesn't fuck them often enough or show them the level of attention they'd prefer to have. They see it as sort of an upscale AM type "arrangement" where it's not so much about money as it is about simple escapism, and feeling the thrill of dating again (naturally, the terms "romance" or "intimacy" appear often in these discussions with them). The benefit for them, I have to assume, is they see an SD as someone who is less likely to be a creep or stalker (since an SD has something to lose, versus a guy that lives in his parents basement), and his financial success indicates a status higher than her current status (which appeals to most of them). I also think that they see SDs as more willing to play in secrecy, and thus safer prospects for the occasional trysts.

I've actually only taken one of these to the FC in recent weeks, and she actually wasn't an "admitted" married girl (I never asked but she has all the tell-tale signs). And honestly I will probably try to avoid them for the most part. But I do like to understand what makes women tick so I continue to interact with them about a potential meeting. I came close to meeting another one, but due to very restrictive scheduling possibilities on her part (usually a strong indication they are someone's wife), we weren't able to make it happen when I was in her city.

Anyone else noticed an increase in these? It seems like this year they are making up about 10-15% of the total girls I'm interested in meeting. It could be that the actual prevalence numbers are no higher than before, but for some reason there definitely seems to be more in the 20-25 year old bracket, with face and body that make them competitive with any unmarried SB.

Maybe the sugaring sites are being marketed more heavily with specific targeting toward young brides? Doesn't really seem to bode well for the long-term future of the family unit in this country I suppose.[/QUOTE]Yes. I have seen an uptick of married SB's myself. I contacted on and she stated that she was in an open relationship and we had a M&G but it did not work out.

Recently I too fell victim to the platonic coed syndrome. Its funny to find out that I am not alone in this. One of the 20 yo Platonic Coed that I'm working on claims to be a virgin and that she is saving her 'sex' for the one she would fall in love with. And, in her mind she expects someone to pay her at least 150 - 200 per visit for acting as an arm candy and go out as a dinner date. I'm like, seriously? You must be smoking something! Another, Coed told me candidly that she is not an animal to get physical and have sex right away. Then I asked her why does she think physical connection means just having sex. I told her for me being able to hold someone's hand is a physical connection. Asked her if she has a problem with that. She said of course not. Then I escalate and ask her how about cuddling. She giggles and says of course we can cuddle and that she loves to cuddle. I escalate further and ask her what's her thoughts about kissing. She sheepishly grins and says of course she has enjoyed kissing and that has always given her a good feeling. LOL. Then I was thinking with some work perhaps one could effectively convert many platonic SBs to SBs that ooze with passion and sex. LOL. Would love to hear from experts here what has been their experience with converting platonic Co-ed to fully comply with the FC code.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;2980282]Just passed my 1st year anniversary playing in the bowl. It has its ups and down but after getting platonic coed after coed, I finally gave up and find a 23 yo on Backpage today and got some action after a month long drought.

Probably by September I might get the itch to get back in the chase but for now it is BP weekly. Why go back to the bowl? I just can't DATY with BP girls thinking who was there an hour earlier.[/QUOTE]

Agree. I should say I was more lucky than doing anything in particular to bag that trophy. If there was any skill to this I would say being spontaneous and ever ready really helps. If I had not confirmed her request to meet right away I might have never had that chance. As a matter of fact, she has gone cold since then and I'm still trying to meet her for a second time!

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;2979019]Dude, you got hot free sex with a 19 yo. All I can say is congratulations, and I hope I am so lucky.[/QUOTE]

I only took the premium trial membership on SA. I can vouch that the investment is worth multiple times of what I paid based on the potential SBs that I managed to line up for M&Gs. Now my trial will be up for renewal shortly and I do not plan to do so as I have 2 confirmed SBs and about 2 dozen potential SBs that have share their phone numbers with me. Now I have not really gone about creating spreadsheets with SB details for future reference. Now, what exactly happens at SA when I lose my Premium membership status. Would I be able to still view all the private pics that was shared with me? And, what about all the messages that was exchanged. Would they still display after losing the premium status or no? Now, based on your reply I will need to decide if I need to duplicate the data from SA for offline record keeping. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;2980488]I only took the premium trial membership on SA. (Snip) Would I be able to still view all the private pics that was shared with me? And, what about all the messages that was exchanged. Would they still display after losing the premium status or no? Now, based on your reply I will need to decide if I need to duplicate the data from SA for offline record keeping. Thanks.[/QUOTE]You'll still be able to see the private pics. You won't be able to see the messages from the women.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2949824]They've always been around in one form or another, but over the last several months, across many different cities, I noticed an increase in married SBs on the SD sites.[/QUOTE]I can't speak for the SB sites because I fish for SBs in different pools like CL, dating sites and strip club takeout. There have always been plenty of married SB prospects on CL. They are generally older (30s and 40s), hornier and less financially demanding than younger, single SBs They also tend to be in it for more than just the dough. The married SB, "MILF Bunny", that I currently have in my lineup is a prime example. I will provide a pictorial update on her soon. She can't get enough sex. She is truly a nympho. We started out with an allowance but now she is hooked on the sex and the allowance has disappeared. She even pays for the hotel. There is no pretend romance here. She wants raw, hot kinky sex any way I want it. She wears me out. After a session with her I couldn't get hard for a million dollars. On occasion she has invited female friends to join the action and we have swung with other couples.

This was not my first married SB. I have had many. Just like with any SB or any woman for that matter they are all different. That's what keeps it fresh and exciting. But married SBs are much easier to get, more in tune with pure sex as the objective and easier on the wallet.

The drawback is that CL can be a challenging and frustrating place to hunt for all the reasons we well know. It requires patience and perseverance to deal with all the crud that comes with CL ads. But it has its rewards: inexpensive hunting; inexpensive arrangements and the pure hot sex on tap that most of us are seeking in the first place.