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[QUOTE=Bossman1969;5107008]Never saw her. But I guess that some monger did not want to pay so she took care of him.[/QUOTE]Did you bother to read the article? The woman stated that the guy she shot was a "friend" from Chicago whom she had known a long time. If she was renting her pussy, he was likely her handler or a facilitator and I assume there was a dispute over money (often is in these cases) so she shot him.
Welcome to the dark side of the are&B / rap lifestyle.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5107327]Maybe the feds targeting the owner / masseuses isn't fair since they had no case against the customers, but I would never feel sorry for a CAMP owner or masseuse anywhere. Do you realise how much money these places rake in? A paltry $31 k fine is pocket change. Also, this was Jupiter, Florida, home to a lot of rich guys who probably tip very well. That parlor likely made millions before it was shut down[/QUOTE]The amount of money a parlor makes varies widely on the amount of traffic, and I will leave it at that.
The point is that the johns in Jupiter didn't even get a fine. The owners, who could hopefully (easily) afford the fine, had their passports and bank accounts frozen. If you think getting your bank account frozen is just punishment when you haven't even been convicted of a crime, then I don't know what to say. If you think having your bank account frozen for months before prosecutors can secure a watered down conviction, I don't know what to say about that either. 100 hours of community service is not a walk in the park for anyone who has to work.
These AMPs are generally not pushing their services on anyone, nor are they taking advantage of their customers. They are privately negotiating and contracting in consensual services among adults and the complaints being filed and prosecuted are by people who do not apply the law equally. It's a disgrace.
[QUOTE=TheWiseacre;5107804]The amount of money a parlor makes varies widely on the amount of traffic, and I will leave it at that.
The point is that the johns in Jupiter didn't even get a fine. The owners, who could hopefully (easily) afford the fine, had their passports and bank accounts frozen. If you think getting your bank account frozen is just punishment when you haven't even been convicted of a crime, then I don't know what to say. If you think having your bank account frozen for months before prosecutors can secure a watered down conviction, I don't know what to say about that either. 100 hours of community service is not a walk in the park for anyone who has to work.
These AMPs are generally not pushing their services on anyone, nor are they taking advantage of their customers. They are privately negotiating and contracting in consensual services among adults and the complaints being filed and prosecuted are by people who do not apply the law equally. It's a disgrace.[/QUOTE]I agree that the law is a disgrace, but I will never feel sorry for a CAMP girl. They make more money per month than most mongers do. If they don't like it, they can take a leaky, slow boat back to China where they can realise their true worth: little to nothing. I prefer balance, which shows both sides of the coin. How many CAMP ladies have shorted mongers on time, jackhammered their dicks, can't give even a half-assed massage, or otherwise didn't give a shit? We call that the vast majority.
I admit that I didn't read the article in full at first, re: freezing accounts, but seems most of the fines were around $6 k or so with maybe an additional $1 k paid to avoid community service. We know they'll shell out the extra $1 k for that (pocket change). So, those women perform 60 or so hand jobs at their new CAMP, their debt is gone and they're fully back in the game. Wow, what suffering (joke)!
Don't know how much you know about China but, as a foreigner, if you had pissed off the Chinese government for even a minor offence, your ass wouldn't get off nearly as easy. Still want to feel sorry for these "poor" CAMP girls? Experience the reverse in their country and then comment.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5109226]I agree that the law is a disgrace, but I will never feel sorry for a CAMP girl. They make more money per month than most mongers do. If they don't like it, they can take a leaky, slow boat back to China where they can realise their true worth: little to nothing. I prefer balance, which shows both sides of the coin. How many CAMP ladies have shorted mongers on time, jackhammered their dicks, can't give even a half-assed massage, or otherwise didn't give a shit? We call that the vast majority.
I admit that I didn't read the article in full at first, re: freezing accounts, but seems most of the fines were around $6 k or so with maybe an additional $1 k paid to avoid community service. We know they'll shell out the extra $1 k for that (pocket change). So, those women perform 60 or so hand jobs at their new CAMP, their debt is gone and they're fully back in the game. Wow, what suffering (joke)!
Don't know how much you know about China but, as a foreigner, if you had pissed off the Chinese government for even a minor offence, your ass wouldn't get off nearly as easy. Still want to feel sorry for these "poor" CAMP girls? Experience the reverse in their country and then comment.[/QUOTE]Hard to see why you think that CAMP workers have so little value that. They are able to make more than most mongers? Seems like they have figured out supply and demand pretty well, and are able to create a life around that value equation. And most of them, I suspect, left China to get a better life. I know a fair amount about China (have spent weeks there, have employed people there, have many Chinese immigrant friends, etc.) and it's very obvious to me why their citizens might seek a life in a different country.
We should all have great empathy for those who fall under prosecutorial abuse. We should all expect and seek equal protection under the law, even for groups that you do not feel sorry for on a personal level. We do not assign legal value on immigrants in this country based on how they might be treated in a different country. If you have such little respect for AMP workers based on your experience, and you think they are overpaid for delivering less-than-expected services, then please do not patronize them.
[QUOTE=TheWiseacre;5109473]Hard to see why you think that CAMP workers have so little value that. They are able to make more than most mongers? Seems like they have figured out supply and demand pretty well, and are able to create a life around that value equation. And most of them, I suspect, left China to get a better life. I know a fair amount about China (have spent weeks there, have employed people there, have many Chinese immigrant friends, etc.) and it's very obvious to me why their citizens might seek a life in a different country.
We should all have great empathy for those who fall under prosecutorial abuse. We should all expect and seek equal protection under the law, even for groups that you do not feel sorry for on a personal level. We do not assign legal value on immigrants in this country based on how they might be treated in a different country. If you have such little respect for AMP workers based on your experience, and you think they are overpaid for delivering less-than-expected services, then please do not patronize them.[/QUOTE]I only patronize or continue to patronize the CAMP girls who deserve it and don't try to cheat mongers by shaving time, jackhammering and the like. Nobody minds an honest worker, but the majority have become greedy thieves.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5109854]I only patronize or continue to patronize the CAMP girls who deserve it and don't try to cheat mongers by shaving time, jackhammering and the like. Nobody minds an honest worker, but the majority have become greedy thieves.[/QUOTE]I strongly agreed! The majority have become greedy thieves and I was one of their victims that was cheated once.
OhNoOsho - [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkL5pbT0u08[/URL].
J the philosopher - [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iutKapmd-Ms[/URL].
Basedescortcel - [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8RiZvOh97w[/URL].
Trick Lessons Podcast - [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUeNZJO6O0o[/URL].
Pares Ratliff - [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZtRQxwOY4A[/URL].
NY EXPOSED - [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exi7gR_r7uo[/URL].
Hope this helps didn't know if you guys were aware of these channels. These guys talk about the hobby and give good information.
[QUOTE=Database;5122042]OhNoOsho - [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkL5pbT0u08[/URL].
J the philosopher - [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iutKapmd-Ms[/URL].
Basedescortcel - [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8RiZvOh97w[/URL].
Trick Lessons Podcast - [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUeNZJO6O0o[/URL].
Pares Ratliff - [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZtRQxwOY4A[/URL].
NY EXPOSED - [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exi7gR_r7uo[/URL].
Hope this helps didn't know if you guys were aware of these channels. These guys talk about the hobby and give good information.[/QUOTE]LOL monger youtube.
[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9094477/Atlanta-mayor-asks-help-solving-alarming-crime-wave.html[/URL]
Crime in the atl is out of control!
[QUOTE=MartyBass864;5136725][URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9094477/Atlanta-mayor-asks-help-solving-alarming-crime-wave.html[/URL]
Crime in the atl is out of control![/QUOTE]It's obvious, the Atlanta Mayor is not up to job and needs to step aside.
[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5136873]It's obvious, the Atlanta Mayor is not up to job and needs to step aside.[/QUOTE]Too busy running her mouth to properly govern.
2020 man! Now we have Super Gonorrhea??
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/12/27/super-gonorrhea-may-be-spreading-from-antibiotic-overuse-for-covid-19-coronavirus/[/URL]
[QUOTE=MartyBass864;5136725][URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9094477/Atlanta-mayor-asks-help-solving-alarming-crime-wave.html[/URL]
rime in the atl is out of control![/QUOTE]Yes, the murder rate is up across the US in major cities about 36%. Atlanta has one of the larger increases as it is up around 57% from last year. Like most changes of this nature there are likely multiple causes. Once I go through a pat down and into one of the popular strip clubs on day shift I don't give it a thought. Might be a bit more cautious on night shift. Knock on wood, but in roughly 75 day shift visits I have never had a single person threaten me and I am an elderly white man typically in a black club. Only witnessed once real fistfight during the day and it was at Follies. As mentioned several times on the board, if your visiting a west side club (Wax, etc.) then watch your step outside the club in the gas stations and convenience stores. I would extend that same caution over to Moreland Ave. I was changing shirts behind the Citgo at the intersection of 285 and Moreland when a man in full camo with a a bow and arrow suddenly appeared and headed straight toward me. He told me to be careful in that area. He was deer hunting in about 1. 5 acres of kudzu covered trees and brush that bordered this busy industrial area. Had already killed a 12 pointer in that spot and said there was a bigger one he was targeting. He disappeared into the woods and I headed up the street to Blaze. So you can add that to the list of attractions assuming you can get permission to hunt these spots in the Metro area. Not what I was expecting to see on Moreland Ave at 5:30 PM.
[URL]https://www.vox.com/2020/8/3/21334149/murders-crime-shootings-protests-riots-trump-bid[/URL]
[QUOTE=MartyBass864;5136725][URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9094477/Atlanta-mayor-asks-help-solving-alarming-crime-wave.html[/URL]
Crime in the atl is out of control![/QUOTE]Crime in Atlanta has made international news! Or is it that there is no news in Great Britain as they are all locked down?
[QUOTE=JMAbacus;5137389]I was changing shirts behind the Citgo at the intersection of 285 and Moreland when a man in full camo with a a bow and arrow suddenly appeared and headed straight toward me. He told me to be careful in that area. He was deer hunting in about 1. 5 acres of kudzu covered trees and brush that bordered this busy industrial area. Had already killed a 12 pointer in that spot and said there was a bigger one he was targeting. He disappeared into the woods and I headed up the street to Blaze. So you can add that to the list of attractions assuming you can get permission to hunt these spots in the Metro area. Not what I was expecting to see on Moreland Ave at 5:30 PM.
[URL]https://www.vox.com/2020/8/3/21334149/murders-crime-shootings-protests-riots-trump-bid[/URL][/QUOTE]What the fuck?
It's called Urban Hunting. There's a couple youtube channels I watch of some guys in GA that do the same thing. If you walk behind some shopping plazas that have heavily wooded areas, there are some spots where guys have cams set up to track deer to hunt.
[QUOTE=MartyBass864;5136725][URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9094477/Atlanta-mayor-asks-help-solving-alarming-crime-wave.html[/URL]
Crime in the atl is out of control![/QUOTE]Sad but true. I carry a subcompact pistol in my backpack at all times. Maybe it's time to carry my full size on my hip at all times as well. Except when going into a strip club or on a plane of course, LOL. (Remember you need a conceal carry permit for this to be legal.).
I have to share a recent story. I invited an escort to a hotel and because of all the dangerous stories lately, had my pistol tucked behind the small of my back. Not so much because of her but in case she had a handler or some other nefarious character along. She walks in and everything is good. She then goes to hug me and I hadn't put away the pistol yet so she jumps wondering what's going on when she feels it. I had to quickly explain and put it away real quick and gave her the donation asap! Everything worked out in the end, just wanted to share an amusing experience.
[QUOTE=MartyBass864;5144755]Mr. Brooks at the Wendy's incident sealed his own fate, the officers did what they needed to do to protect themselves. The mayor and the District Attorney rushed to judgement and neither officer will be convicted of any crime. The mayor has emboldened the citizens to challenge the officers at every turn. The officer's have rightfully decided to do the bare minimum. Prior to 2020 , I had been to Atlanta twice. In 2020 I went to Atlanta 4 times (follies in March, the tilted kilt (April) strokers and the new follies in December. I have money to spend and that I want to spend, but I refuse to spend it in Atlanta. To be blunt I am scared. Riots. The bottle boys and now they want to disarm people at the mall? (they installed medal detectors) nope not for I. I will be avoiding atlanta till they get things under control.[/QUOTE]Not to argue all the dynamics of the social issues regarding crime and and law enforcement but the bare minimum policy as you call it is now in effect in upstate SC. Spoke with a young officer yesterday at the gym that along with a group of his similar minded coworkers, have all resigned in the past couple months. Bizarre as it might seem, they were criticized for making too many arrests. The criticism was ongoing on a weekly basis. The arrests ran the gamut, but included plenty of convicted felons, weapons charges, and of course some drug seizures. Officers not reprimanded spent their shifts sitting in parking lots and making almost no arrests. So the unspoken message was don't seek out or initiate anything that leads to an arrest. Surprised me at first, but its simply a shift based on the political climate. Won't stop me from getting down to Atlanta although my advanced age and poor health have me waiting for some declining positivity rates before I take the plunge.
[QUOTE=MartyBass864;5144755]Mr. Brooks at the Wendy's incident sealed his own fate, the officers did what they needed to do to protect themselves. The mayor and the District Attorney rushed to judgement and neither officer will be convicted of any crime. The mayor has emboldened the citizens to challenge the officers at every turn. The officer's have rightfully decided to do the bare minimum. Prior to 2020 , I had been to Atlanta twice. In 2020 I went to Atlanta 4 times (follies in March, the tilted kilt (April) strokers and the new follies in December. I have money to spend and that I want to spend, but I refuse to spend it in Atlanta. To be blunt I am scared. Riots. The bottle boys and now they want to disarm people at the mall? (they installed medal detectors) nope not for I. I will be avoiding atlanta till they get things under control.[/QUOTE]What crime did Mr. Brooks commit that was egregious enough for deadly force? Drunk sleeping in his car in a Wendy's drive-thru? Getting free from two police officers after being tased and attempting to flee? On foot? While intoxicated? Are the cops always right because they wear the blue and carry a badge? If so, Internal Affairs wouldn't even exist within any law enforcement division. I know that it's a dangerous job, but some people do not have the ability, temperament, or judgement skills under pressure to wear a badge or carry a gun.
[QUOTE=GameCockToo;5145361]What crime did Mr. Brooks commit that was egregious enough for deadly force? Drunk sleeping in his car in a Wendy's drive-thru? Getting free from two police officers after being tased and attempting to flee? On foot? While intoxicated? Are the cops always right because they wear the blue and carry a badge? If so, Internal Affairs wouldn't even exist within any law enforcement division. I know that it's a dangerous job, but some people do not have the ability, temperament, or judgement skills under pressure to wear a badge or carry a gun.[/QUOTE]Yes, he fired a lethal weapon at the police officers. Now you may want to argue that it could not fire a 3rd time but I contest that law enforcement should not be required to remember when being shot at just how many shots a weapon has discharged. As the Kimmer used to say, "Pay attention children, if you point a weapon at a police officer, they may shoot you dead. ".
[QUOTE=GameCockToo;5145361]What crime did Mr. Brooks commit that was egregious enough for deadly force? Drunk sleeping in his car in a Wendy's drive-thru? Getting free from two police officers after being tased and attempting to flee? On foot? While intoxicated? Are the cops always right because they wear the blue and carry a badge? If so, Internal Affairs wouldn't even exist within any law enforcement division. I know that it's a dangerous job, but some people do not have the ability, temperament, or judgement skills under pressure to wear a badge or carry a gun.[/QUOTE]I watched the entire video; you obviously did not or are extremely biased. You failed to acknowledge that the drunken ass clown fired at the cop. As for cops that can't handle the job, there are plenty and they need to go.
As for Brooks, there's one less shit stain on the streets, and that's what really matters.
Ability. Opportunity jeopardy. The police had the right and obligation to terminate brooks when he punched one or both of them. The removal of the taser only added to his level of dangerous. Brooks took a very simple dui arrest and turned into a major incident. Instead of congratulating the cops for defending themselves and removing a clearly violent and dangerous individual, they made the cop the bad guys and taught the masses to verbally and physically fight the cops every step. So the cops have learned it does not pay to engage with Any suspect for any reason, so they don't. Traffic stops are down 44% in Atlanta. . because it doesn't pay to be pro active. With all that currently is going on in Atlanta I will advoid atlanta. I carry a gun everywhere I go, but I don't want to use it and it seems my chances greatly increase in Atlanta because of lack of police intervention. So I will just stay home. Brooks, Brown, king, Blake, garner all have 1 thing in common they resisted a lawful arrest. We do not need police reform, we need to reform and educate a certain % of the population. Maybe 13.
Those lazy entitled 13 percenters are at it again? Have you sat inside of a live classroom in an inner city public school lately? The public school system, especially in the inner city is absolute trash! They don't teach those kids anything barely beyond Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves and Christopher Columbus discovered America nonsense.
They need to teach those kids critical thinking skills amongst many other things. You are correct about 1 thing though. Those 13 percenters do need to be reformed and educated (about the American criminal (supposedly justice) monetary system and how it works). The school system in itself is racially biased and its handicapping the 13 percenters. They're not learning any real life skills in school and most of them graduate or are pushed out of high school and are scratching their asses the very next day, trying to figure out what to do next.
The media is also hugely to blame for this nonsense. First, they have you sheeple afraid to come outside because of the Budweiser virus. Then, a few weeks or months later, they have y'all marching in the streets for "Black Lives Matter". I saw the Rashard Brooks video and George Foreman or whatever his name is video. Not 1 of those instances had anything to do with racism. They were just 2 stupid black men that wouldn't follow orders and resisted arrest the whole time.
The media painted that whole narrative of police killing black men, because the people above and behind the scenes who pull the strings, wanted to show themselves how easy it is to make you sheeple go backwards and forward to their every command. Many of those so-called protesters are government plants, put there to enrage the masses. The people above and behind the scenes are looking down at you mindless sheep from the 50th floor of their skycraper and laughing at you sheeple as you are afraid to be closer than 6 feet next to your fellow man.
They have you sheeple like ventriloquist dummies moving backwards and forward to their every command. And let me not talk about the foreigners who come to America as asylum seekers (Syria, Afghanistan, etc) and they give them free housing and education. Yet, you have these fucking homeless downtown that can't even get a free tent from the gubment. To tell you the truth, this whole American justice, criminal monetary system is rotten from the core / top down.
Do you not see how much pork the Coronavirus stimulus relief bill has in it. These fuckers are sending millions of dollars to countries like Cambodia to feed the sea whales over there or some shit. They're giving "shithole countries" millions while giving American individuals a measly $600 each. Really? Can that even pay a month's rent in Atlanta? Smdh. Before you sheeple talk about the miseducation and reformation of the 13 percenters, you need to talk about the miseducation and reformation of the American government that created and continues to create the lost, confused, pants sagging 13 percenters through media, music industry, education system which the American government controls. They've been doing this ever since Christopher Columbus set his thieving foot on Red America!
Lastly, before I leave to go do some 13 percenter hood rat shit, I'd like to touch on that Coronavirus relief bill nonsense. Yo, this has got to be the world's dumbest economically ran country that I've ever seen. This country is in like a gazillion dollar debt and these fools are giving away money as if it's growing on trees. Well, it must be since their giving millions to "shithole countries" and hundreds to individual Americans.
I've never seen so much wreckless loose spending in my entire life. If it wasn't for the American military and it's enforcement of the universal use of the American dollars (which is backed by nothing and printed freely and wildly by the US government) you sheeple in America would be eating out of the trash can. The Asians corner the market with cheap quality goods while the Americans flood the market with expensive junk and wreckless spending habits. No wonder the 13 percenters are like what they are now. Look who's educating or miseducating them.
Someone who thinks that fixing an economy can be done by printing free money and giving pennies to individuals. Yes, I'm 10,000 dollars past due on my mortgage, so I'm gunna print up these free worthless American dollars in my basement. Spend 90% of it at the strip club making it rain, then spend the remaining 10 percent on my past due mortgage. Smdh. This is exactly what the American government is doing. And these are the people that are suppose to educate and reform the 13 percenters? LOL. OK. Like father, like son.
Those 13 percenters are only the by product of the 80 percenters who are continuously poisoning them with purposeful miseducation, criminal monetary system injustice, purposeful media misinformation and narratives, music industry trash, etc. Just look and listen to a NBA ball player, like LeBron James when he's giving a public speech. That knee grow talks with a 5th grade level education. "We was going to press them on the defensive end". LeBron James is a product of the shitty inner city public school system. He's making millions and not even the coaches or media workers can teach him proper grammar and diction before he takes his illiterate ass on T talking about Black Lives Matter.
[QUOTE=MartyBass864;5146417]Ability. Opportunity jeopardy. The police had the right and obligation to terminate brooks when he punched one or both of them. The removal of the taser only added to his level of dangerous. Brooks took a very simple dui arrest and turned into a major incident. Instead of congratulating the cops for defending themselves and removing a clearly violent and dangerous individual, they made the cop the bad guys and taught the masses to verbally and physically fight the cops every step. So the cops have learned it does not pay to engage with Any suspect for any reason, so they don't. Traffic stops are down 44% in Atlanta. . because it doesn't pay to be pro active. With all that currently is going on in Atlanta I will advoid atlanta. I carry a gun everywhere I go, but I don't want to use it and it seems my chances greatly increase in Atlanta because of lack of police intervention. So I will just stay home. Brooks, Brown, king, Blake, garner all have 1 thing in common they resisted a lawful arrest. We do not need police reform, we need to reform and educate a certain % of the population. Maybe 13.[/QUOTE]A tazer is not a lethal weapon. And when some white kid can go into a school and kill dozens of people or blow up a bomb in a crowd then kill a cop while on the run. That's not enough to have cops fearful enough to commit murder but a black man running for them pissing on themselves. Full grown men with firearms surrounded by other full grown men similarly armed scared of one black man. I can provide you video evidence proof on how much cops go out of their way to not kill other white citizens but get trigger happy when it's a minority. These see the facts. Just like y'all want to point out facts when it supports your argument don't ignore the facts that support the alternative.
[URL]https://youtu.be/V-vGp5uOjL4[/URL]
I couldn't find the one I seen earlier but this is similar. In the one in thinking of they stop this guy for a different reason then he tells the female officer he has a licensed firearm in the trunk of the vehicle. They never had any reason to ask him to step out the vehicle until that. The scary ass female officer told the male officer she didn't feel comfortable. The black guy asked to speak to a supervisor for his safety because she was already acting suspect. After he made that request she pulled out her pistol and pointed out at the guys head. These are the type of officers y'all defending. Dude could have lost his life over nothing. So miss me with that fearful for their lives bs. I've seen plenty of videos where people put themselves in the position to be confronted by law enforcement just so they can exercise their rights. Yah its black folks don't have that luxury. Maybe our family might get a big pay day while some people like y'all defend the senseless murder or bring up our past like that somehow justifies our murder.
[QUOTE=NewDude;5144691]APD is one of the highest paid police departments in the country. When sworn in the mayor of Atlanta provided a raise for all officers before any other legislation was passed. Accountability and satisfactory performance is determined by the mayor's standards. [/QUOTE]I'll agree with the latter statement, and therein lies the problem. The mayor's standards blow with the political winds. If you think it's just about the money, which isn't that great at an average of $43.2 k / year according to the BLS (and that's 13% below the national average, by the way, according to [URL]Indeed.com[/URL]), then you're dead wrong, which is literally the consequences these officers potentially face. When the mayor neuters the police force by firing them for performing their duties and defending themselves in the line of duty, second-guessing split-second decisions in life-threatening situations that she's never had to face, going on live TV the next day critiquing those actions and saying they make her sick before any investigation has been performed, then you're not going to have a motivated police force, regardless of the stellar pay you're claiming, which I also disagree with. I'll tell you whose actions make me sick, and it's the Mayor's. The DA Paul Howard already got what he deserved and got the boot by the voters for his part in bringing charges against those officers, who will no doubt eventually be exonerated. Lance-Bottoms is paying the price now for her actions, and hopefully will get the boot as well for throwing those officers under the bus.
There are plenty of police reforms that need to take place and plenty of bad officers, but this was not an example of that. If you saw the way these officers handled that arrest, they did not initiate or escalate the situation, and were very respectful. The mayor used this solely for personal political gain at the expense of the police.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5145915]I watched the entire video; you obviously did not or are extremely biased. You failed to acknowledge that the drunken ass clown fired at the cop. As for cops that can't handle the job, there are plenty and they need to go.
As for Brooks, there's one less shit stain on the streets, and that's what really matters.[/QUOTE]Since when is a used taser a lethal weapon? Breaking news: Fleeing suspect kills 2 police officers with 1 used taser while running away and firing backwards all while being inebriated. Give me a break! Protect and Serve? And they fired weapons and rounds and actually struck a car of a motorist. Now if he had their firearm? Definitely lawful shooting. If he was such a danger, call for backup immediately, surround him immediately, not have a 30 minute conversation. Really? In the majority of cases, Cops are not suppose to be the judge and jury or are they? Yes! I AM biased and apparently, and so are some are you. Biases come from life experiences, so everyone has them. My bias comes from being pulled over several times a year for driving an expensive car and that's my suspected crime.
Shit stain? LOL. Again, if he was a "shit stain", arrest immediately. Don't give me his offenses or blotter after the fact for a justification.
[QUOTE=MartyBass864;5146417]Ability. Opportunity jeopardy. The police had the right and obligation to terminate brooks when he punched one or both of them. The removal of the taser only added to his level of dangerous. Brooks took a very simple dui arrest and turned into a major incident. Instead of congratulating the cops for defending themselves and removing a clearly violent and dangerous individual, they made the cop the bad guys and taught the masses to verbally and physically fight the cops every step. So the cops have learned it does not pay to engage with Any suspect for any reason, so they don't. Traffic stops are down 44% in Atlanta. . because it doesn't pay to be pro active. With all that currently is going on in Atlanta I will advoid atlanta. I carry a gun everywhere I go, but I don't want to use it and it seems my chances greatly increase in Atlanta because of lack of police intervention. So I will just stay home. Brooks, Brown, king, Blake, garner all have 1 thing in common they resisted a lawful arrest. We do not need police reform, we need to reform and educate a certain % of the population. Maybe 13.[/QUOTE]In your world, if you resist being arrested, you should be killed? Or does thinking just apply to non-white citizens? Well shoot the guy in the video, he's resisting and disrespecting the police officers!
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/youre-treating-like-black-person-doctor-arrested-airport-unruly-behavior-says-stunt-211145318.html[/URL]
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner[/URL]
Brooks was intoxicated, actively resisted a lawful arrest (he punched the officers) and was armed with a weapon (the taser) if the officers reasonably felt they were in jeopardy of serious bodily injury or death. They were authorized and trained to meet that threat with deadly. Force. Like the 6 officers fired and tried in Baltimore after the Freddie gray incident, these officers will be cleared of any wrong doing and get issued a rather large check. I hope the police start cracking more heads in the atl, so I can feel confident about returning to the city. Covid doesn't scare me. Thugs do.
[URL]https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2021/01/05/no-officers-to-be-charged-in-shooting-of-jacob-blake-in-Kenosha[/URL]
[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;5146554]Those lazy entitled 13 percenters are at it again? Have you sat inside of a live classroom in an inner city public school lately? The public school system, especially in the inner city is absolute trash! They don't teach those kids anything barely beyond Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves and Christopher Columbus discovered America nonsense....
[/QUOTE]There should be a "like" button on here. It's early in the year, but I'd wager this post will stand up for the duration of the year as post of the year. Lots of truths in this post, but I've been saying for years people need to wake up and look at the reckless spending that's going on in this country- it's going to be our ruination.
Outstanding post JMAP!
I'm so glad you brought up that point. Just a week or two before Paul Howard called a taser a deadly weapon. Let's make something very clear. If you fight with the police at the Very minimum you're going to take an ass whooping. If you get a weapon from a officer then you are going to have a problem with lead poisoning. Are all police officers bad no should bad cops be Prosecuted Hell yes. I grew up in the Atlanta metro area back in the 80's a rap artist had a song about an Atlanta officer they called pac-man because he didn't arrest the dope boys he just took their drugs. There will always be good cops and bad cops but in the end most just want to do some good and go home. As for Queen Keisha that little girls death is on her head as she told the police to do nothing. I'm afraid that the socialist scum will get their wish and defund the police and regular citizens will pay the price.
CNN: Officer who shot Jacob Blake will not face charges, district attorney says.
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/05/us/jacob-blake-police-shooting-kenosha-emergency/index.html[/URL]
So this man was running away with a knife. What did the cop fear? That the man was going to throw the knife back like some martial arts movie and hit him bullseye in the heart? The cops excuse is some complete ass pull defense. He shot to kill point blank period. Dude was just lucky the cop sucks at his job. You know shooting. My problem only has to do about the use of deadly force. Again my previous post. White guy with an assault rifle.
Cop politely asks the citizen Sir can you please put that gun down? Thank you. Black guy with a tazer, a knife, fucking unarmed, being black. Oh shit cop pisses on himself and empties his clip. I swear this shit sounds so retarded until you rewind the tape and actually see it in action.
On another note let's go away from the black vs cops thing. What y'all think about Daniel Shaver, the white guy at the hotel nearly pissing on himself afraid of dying. Huh? Was that not a use of unnecessary lethal force? The cop was not only acquitted but was secretly allowed back in the force long enough to collect disability and / or a pension. Talk about fucked up. But we don't need police reform huh.
[URL]https://youtu.be/OflGwyWcft8[/URL]
In case someone needs to refresh their memory.
[QUOTE=Worf359;5147698]I'm so glad you brought up that point. Just a week or two before Paul Howard called a taser a deadly weapon. Let's make something very clear. If you fight with the police at the Very minimum you're going to take an ass whooping. If you get a weapon from a officer then you are going to have a problem with lead poisoning. Are all police officers bad no should bad cops be Prosecuted Hell yes. I grew up in the Atlanta metro area back in the 80's a rap artist had a song about an Atlanta officer they called pac-man because he didn't arrest the dope boys he just took their drugs. There will always be good cops and bad cops but in the end most just want to do some good and go home. As for Queen Keisha that little girls death is on her head as she told the police to do nothing. I'm afraid that the socialist scum will get their wish and defund the police and regular citizens will pay the price.[/QUOTE]You can get an Amen and an Awomen!
[URL]https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/union-atlanta-police-officers-frustrated-by-low-manpower-problem[/URL]
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5147349]None of that matters. Shit stain avoided a lawful arrest and escalated the situation. No need to try to choreograph exactly what you think should happen.[/QUOTE]I will continue to give my thoughts, opinions, and choreography, whether you agree or not. That's what we all do on this board.
[QUOTE=PunkedLife;5148018]CNN: Officer who shot Jacob Blake will not face charges, district attorney says.
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/05/us/jacob-blake-police-shooting-kenosha-emergency/index.html[/URL]
So this man was running away with a knife. What did the cop fear? That the man was going to throw the knife back like some martial arts movie and hit him bullseye in the heart? The cops excuse is some complete ass pull defense. He shot to kill point blank period. Dude was just lucky the cop sucks at his job. You know shooting. My problem only has to do about the use of deadly force. Again my previous post. White guy with an assault rifle.
Cop politely asks the citizen Sir can you please put that gun down? Thank you. Black guy with a tazer, a knife, fucking unarmed, being black. Oh shit cop pisses on himself and empties his clip. I swear this shit sounds so retarded until you rewind the tape and actually see it in action..[/QUOTE]Social experiment on cops.. Black Man With Gun vs. White Man With Gun.
Cop vs White man with gun.
Cop:"I need to see your I. D."
White Male:"No".
Cop:"Why not?
White Male:"Because I'm not doing any crime."
Cop:"Okay."
Cop vs Blackman with gun.
Cop: "Drop to the ground now".
Black male: Says nothing & complies immediately.
[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YXv2Pjtc3Zk[/URL]
[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5147323]Those police were called there, it's not like they were looking for trouble. And they were trying to make an arrest, and it had nothing to do with his offenses or blotter after the fact. His resisting arrest is what had to do with his offenses, and why the situation unfortunately turned deadly. I'm not going to sit here and say all the right decisions were made, but I'm also not going to sit here and say that I would have made all the right decisions in the heat of the moment either. The fact is Mr. Brooks created a life-threatening situation by wrestling with armed police officers, striking them, and taking their weapons and using them against them. The taser could have disabled those officers and then who knows what? Certainly there have been many officers killed in the line of duty where struggles just like this started. It's easy in hindsight to look at the video and say what could have been done, but in the heat of the moment with adrenaline going and your life on the line, you're not always thinking your clearest, and instincts do take over. It's unfortunate what happened but that situation was clearly created and escalated by Mr. Brooks, and for you to turn that around and make it the officers' responsibility is just wrong. Walk a mile if you dare....[/QUOTE]In the heat of the moment, anything and everything can happen and go wrong. Personally, I'm more to the point: If you're drunk driving, go to jail. Having a conversation with a drunk person is like having a conversation with an angry woman. Both are a waste of time when it's happening. Hell, in a tussle, "I" may have shot him in that same scenario. Knowing drunks like I do (LOL), I know how belligerent and aggressive they can become. We've all seen them. Some fall asleep, some want to fight. I'm not trying to find out which route the person's personality is going to take. That's just me. I guess they thought he would go peacefully. The character assessments come in afterwards, good or bad, which people latch onto to try and make a case or break a case.
[QUOTE=YeOldHornDawg;5148802]You can get an Amen and an Awomen![/QUOTE]Although tasers may be classified as lethal, most do not kill, unless the victim has a secondary incident because of the act of being tased. A lot of police departments (I dare not speak for all) taser each other during training, but hardly any of them shoot each other (without a vest), but I will look into that before stating it as fact. This deer season, I just might consider leaving my rifle at home. Stay safe. Don't drive drunk. Be lawful. Kiss the wife or provider.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=taser[/URL]+training+police.
[QUOTE=PunkedLife;5148018]CNN: Officer who shot Jacob Blake will not face charges, district attorney says.
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/05/us/jacob-blake-police-shooting-kenosha-emergency/index.html[/URL]
So this man was running away with a knife. What did the cop fear? That the man was going to throw the knife back like some martial arts movie and hit him bullseye in the heart? The cops excuse is some complete ass pull defense. He shot to kill point blank period. Dude was just lucky the cop sucks at his job. You know shooting. My problem only has to do about the use of deadly force. Again my previous post. White guy with an assault rifle.
Cop politely asks the citizen Sir can you please put that gun down? Thank you. Black guy with a tazer, a knife, fucking unarmed, being black. Oh shit cop pisses on himself and empties his clip. I swear this shit sounds so retarded until you rewind the tape and actually see it in action.
On another note let's go away from the black vs cops thing. What y'all think about Daniel Shaver, the white guy at the hotel nearly pissing on himself afraid of dying. Huh? Was that not a use of unnecessary lethal force? The cop was not only acquitted but was secretly allowed back in the force long enough to collect disability and / or a pension. Talk about fucked up. But we don't need police reform huh.
[URL]https://youtu.be/OflGwyWcft8[/URL]
In case someone needs to refresh their memory.[/QUOTE]Punked, nothing personal, but I want to use this post as an example. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and I am not disagreeing with you as a person, but want to rip the media a new one, specifically this CNN article. If all I read was this article I may likely draw the same conclusions. Bad cops do exist and do shoot people in the back as they run away, but that is not what happened.
The facts as I have gathered them:
Mr. Blake's ex called the cops when Mr. Blake showed up at her house and tried to take their children. Upon running his name through the criminal database the responding officers saw he had a history of domestic violence and an open FELONY arrest warrant. At that point it did not matter who was right or wrong in the current domestic dispute or if any crimes had been committed that day. Mr Blake was going to be taken into custody for an open warrant.
After multiple attempts to take Mr. Blake into custody with him resisting, Mr. Blake was tazed 2-3 times with no effect. I have not seen a tox report but think it obvious that Mr. Blake was feeling no pain. He then proceeded to attempt to flee the scene in his SUV. The kids were still inside. At that point the officers proceeded to physically remove him from the vehicle. When the officer laid hands on Mr Blake he pulled a knife and "moved his hand with the knife towards the officer. " The officer proceeded to "discharge his weapon until Mr. Blake dropped the knife. " I have seen people get shot. I can tell you with absolute certainty that 1-2 shots to center mass will disable motor skills of all natural / normal humans. Mr. Blake took 7 hits, point blank, to center mass before he dropped the knife. Again, I have not seen tox reports but that is not normal.
Now on to the CNN article. The first half presents very few of the above facts, out of sequence if they are mentioned. IMO it is presented in such a way to make the reader think that Mr. Blake was shot while fleeing the scene, alone and unarmed. Nothing they said is a lie, but they left out a lot of the important parts and shuffled the order to make it confusing. The second half goes on to explain that he did have a knife but again adds extraneous material like a quote from his lawyer saying that knives are legal and they added refuted statements (Mr. Blake admitted to having a knife) from witnesses saying he did not have a knife at all? What purpose does adding extraneous and refuted statements serve other than to sow confusion? It is never said or implied that Mr. Blake had a knife in his hand while resisting arrest when he tried to drive away with his kids in the back seat. Bits and pieces are there, jumbled, but not put together in any capacity to be clear and concise about what happened when the officer made the decision to shoot.
There is so much Polish on this turd it is blinding. The dirty cop shot the hero in the back and he was just trying to get away and not cause harm to anyone. Pretty much the same spin techniques that turn misdemeanor offenses into international human trafficking RICO crimes.
These events happen, and will continue so long as people have free will to do wrong to others. I would ask anyone / everyone to read the same police reports and watch the body cam videos (the same instruments used by the media) and write your own story with the available facts vs reading one that has already been spun to serve an alternative purpose.
[QUOTE=JunkSecond;5150248]Punked, nothing personal, but I want to use this post as an example. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and I am not disagreeing with you as a person, but want to rip the media a new one, specifically this CNN article. If all I read was this article I may likely draw the same conclusions. Bad cops do exist and do shoot people in the back as they run away, but that is not what happened.
The facts as I have gathered them:
Mr. Blake's ex called the cops when Mr. Blake showed up at her house and tried to take their children. Upon running his name through the criminal database the responding officers saw he had a history of domestic violence and an open FELONY arrest warrant. At that point it did not matter who was right or wrong in the current domestic dispute or if any crimes had been committed that day. Mr Blake was going to be taken into custody for an open warrant.
After multiple attempts to take Mr. Blake into custody with him resisting, Mr. Blake was tazed 2-3 times with no effect. I have not seen a tox report but think it obvious that Mr. Blake was feeling no pain. He then proceeded to attempt to flee the scene in his SUV. The kids were still inside. At that point the officers proceeded to physically remove him from the vehicle. When the officer laid hands on Mr Blake he pulled a knife and "moved his hand with the knife towards the officer. " The officer proceeded to "discharge his weapon until Mr. Blake dropped the knife. " I have seen people get shot. I can tell you with absolute certainty that 1-2 shots to center mass will disable motor skills of all natural / normal humans. Mr. Blake took 7 hits, point blank, to center mass before he dropped the knife. Again, I have not seen tox reports but that is not normal..[/QUOTE]After doing some research I do happen to agree with you. I haven't seen any video evidence myself but for the most part it seems like he was in the wrong. With that being said this is an isolated incident. The media tends to misconstrue their information to incite a reaction. But overall we do need reform. It's not just the killings. Although obviously that angers people more. It's the mentality that a lot of officers have, racist or not, that they are the law and what they say goes and they violate rights daily. Obviously they do it more to minorities and that is the main issue. How would you feel if you got pulled over by a cop for no reason, pulled from your vehicle for no reason or some made up shit like they smell weed for example, then these cops choose to make you lean against the hot hood of their vehicle or some more fucked up shit. Cops have been doing shit like this for ages. These small little acts just to fuckn with you and show you that your not shit. Some of these ended up in murders. Some of them were warranted while others were not. The only difference is the fact now that we have the advent of technology, we are seeing proof. Some of it like this case are overblown or just misinformation but now we can actually have this discussion with investigations. In the past George Floyd would have died and the cops would have made some shit up and everyone would have believed them. Now we have true accountability. But still the problem continues. I know you've probably heard this plenty of times already but I'll say it again. What happened yesterday evening at the capitol building would have been completely different if it were black protestors. Look what happened this past summer. Yes I understand there were rioters and destruction during those times. I'm not defending these individuals. Just like there were peaceful protesters yesterday but people only want to speak about the rioters. But the consequences were different as far as police and military numbers and what they chose to do once laws were broken. We can sit here and argue individual situations till we're blue in the face but it's more important to discuss the inequality as a whole between black people and well minorities in general vs white supremist. Yesterday was a clear example and I you may be able to defend a lot of bs but I truly don't see how someone educated can defend that shit. Its like this country becomes more of a laughing stock of the world as each day passes. I don't want to ever hear an American pass judgment on how another country is running their shit.