The Prickyard

This girl has her head together, Sasha you ROCK!

P.S., she has freckles.

BG,

[QUOTE=SashaDear;3017544]I've never seen or even spoken to this guy before. But I do not think it is too much to ask for the things I am spending tons of money on for you guys to be replaced in exchange for a few bucks off your session. Especially when you guys are the ones using all of those products and making a mess in my bathroom and not cleaning up after yourselves, leaving me to clean your mess and go spend tons of money on all of these products for you guys. I also have other items on my wishlist not related to the things you guys use, because there are several gentlemen that like to give ladies gifts. Instead of making them guess what I might like, a wishlist is an easy way for a gentleman to get a lady a gift that he knows she will like. It's respect and common courtesy. If you don't like the things a lady has on her wishlist, and don't like her asking to have replaced the products she spends her money on for you, then find another provider who won't accept any gifts. And good luck with that, because everyone likes gifts. I'm just offering to take the price off your session instead of asking for free gifts on top of the session and on top of buying these things for you and cleaning up after your mess.[/QUOTE]

As some of you know by now, I had an issue with a provider. I will leave names out of it (initials are KC). She has a fairly good reputation and is a favorite MILF for many mongers. However, I had an issue with her and, based upon the #of PMs I received, so have several others.

My question is this:. Would you meet with her in public? The reason I ask is that she reached out to me and suggested just that. I responded with a "No", but am now council on this. She claims that she does not know who I am based upon my name on this board. She suggested we grab a drink and see if we can't resolve this.

I do not see an upside to that. The way I see it, if she was going to pay me back she would have by now. Even if she made restitution I would never engage in recreational activities with her again. If she does not know who I am, does that mean there are so many others that she has screwed over that she can't recall all of them?

I honestly do not see any upside to meeting in public or private.

Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=Sapper5;3031525]As some of you know by now, I had an issue with a provider. I will leave names out of it (initials are KC). She has a fairly good reputation and is a favorite MILF for many mongers. However, I had an issue with her and, based upon the #of PMs I received, so have several others.

My question is this:. Would you meet with her in public? The reason I ask is that she reached out to me and suggested just that. I responded with a "No", but am now council on this. She claims that she does not know who I am based upon my name on this board. She suggested we grab a drink and see if we can't resolve this.

I do not see an upside to that. The way I see it, if she was going to pay me back she would have by now. Even if she made restitution I would never engage in recreational activities with her again. If she does not know who I am, does that mean there are so many others that she has screwed over that she can't recall all of them?

I honestly do not see any upside to meeting in public or private.





Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]I would not, not knowing who you are talking about it is always a risk if you have had issues with someone. Move on to another lady who appreciates you.

[QUOTE=Sapper5;3031525]As some of you know by now, I had an issue with a provider. I will leave names out of it (initials are KC). She has a fairly good reputation and is a favorite MILF for many mongers. However, I had an issue with her and, based upon the #of PMs I received, so have several others.

My question is this:. Would you meet with her in public? The reason I ask is that she reached out to me and suggested just that. I responded with a "No", but am now council on this. She claims that she does not know who I am based upon my name on this board. She suggested we grab a drink and see if we can't resolve this.

I do not see an upside to that. The way I see it, if she was going to pay me back she would have by now. Even if she made restitution I would never engage in recreational activities with her again. If she does not know who I am, does that mean there are so many others that she has screwed over that she can't recall all of them?

I honestly do not see any upside to meeting in public or private.

Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]My initial thought is yes because I always like to give the lady a chance to redeem themselves and it is their livelihood that has been impacted. Believe it or not there are enough members of the local hobby who read this board, that may or may not be members of the board, that can seriously impact a providers business by letting others know that they have done them and others wrong in some manner. She obviously has felt the impact or she wouldn't have reached out to you. Here is were the problem lies.

It seldom does any good to reach out and see if they can find someway to right the wrong. Examples are Sexyred, Star Baby, Lisa etc. It really depends on the character of the individual and the character of the ones I mentioned is, well to say it the best way, they have no character only their selfishness and fuck you attitude.

So for the sake of being a good person and being a better person than her and showing compassion my answer would be Yes. Just be aware that it may not stop her actions but at least you can say you tried. That sometimes is worth the price of admission.

[QUOTE=Sapper5;3031525]As some of you know by now, I had an issue with a provider. I will leave names out of it (initials are KC). She has a fairly good reputation and is a favorite MILF for many mongers. However, I had an issue with her and, based upon the #of PMs I received, so have several others.

My question is this:. Would you meet with her in public? The reason I ask is that she reached out to me and suggested just that. I responded with a "No", but am now council on this. She claims that she does not know who I am based upon my name on this board. She suggested we grab a drink and see if we can't resolve this.

I do not see an upside to that. The way I see it, if she was going to pay me back she would have by now. Even if she made restitution I would never engage in recreational activities with her again. If she does not know who I am, does that mean there are so many others that she has screwed over that she can't recall all of them?

I honestly do not see any upside to meeting in public or private.

Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]It seems clear from your post that you don't want to resolve this. If you don't want to lay this to rest, then why meet with her?

However, you will be forfeiting the right to complain about her past actions. She's offered to try and fix this. Either you meet with her, with the sincere intent of finding a mutually acceptable resolution, or you drop the subject.

Unless she says something completely unreasonable (assuming you meet her in public), she wins either way. No matter what, your bad experience has to be buried and forgotten.

Thank you to everyone for their I put on this topic. I have decided to not meet with the provider. I will now be letting this issue go, chalking up my financial loss to a hard lesson learned.

Good luck to all and play safe.

S5.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3032077]It seems clear from your post that you don't want to resolve this. If you don't want to lay this to rest, then why meet with her?

However, you will be forfeiting the right to complain about her past actions. She's offered to try and fix this. Either you meet with her, with the sincere intent of finding a mutually acceptable resolution, or you drop the subject.

Unless she says something completely unreasonable (assuming you meet her in public), she wins either way. No matter what, your bad experience has to be buried and forgotten.[/QUOTE]I don't post much, don't know the provider in question, and I'm not even hobbying anymore. I'm here more for curiosity than anything else. But you're ignoring his real concern, I. E. , possibly being set up, or her knowing his identity for retaliation in some way. What about his experience should make him trust her now? He doesn't want to see her again regardless of anything she does to make it right. He was wronged and nothing actually "changes" that. Her offer to meet, as he said, had no offer of actual restitution, just to work it out. He has a right to be suspicious, and she still has the history of being sketchy and dishonest. Period. Is there really a long term case of someone changing her stripes on here? I can't think of one. Some cases of a provider being "better" for a time, then back to their old ways is all I've ever seen. Have faith all you want, but as long as the history is there and known, hobbyists are better off for the warning.

[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3032346]I don't post much, don't know the provider in question, and I'm not even hobbying anymore. I'm here more for curiosity than anything else. But you're ignoring his real concern, I. E. , possibly being set up, or her knowing his identity for retaliation in some way. What about his experience should make him trust her now? He doesn't want to see her again regardless of anything she does to make it right. He was wronged and nothing actually "changes" that. Her offer to meet, as he said, had no offer of actual restitution, just to work it out. He has a right to be suspicious, and she still has the history of being sketchy and dishonest. Period. Is there really a long term case of someone changing her stripes on here? I can't think of one. Some cases of a provider being "better" for a time, then back to their old ways is all I've ever seen. Have faith all you want, but as long as the history is there and known, hobbyists are better off for the warning.[/QUOTE]Not sure where you're getting all of that. He's seen her in the past. How is meeting in a public place going to reveal his real identity? All it does is connect the face to the online handle. Is he worried she's going to wrestle his wallet away from him in Arby's? From his post he didn't indicate any worry about a set up. He just stated he doesn't see the point.

The point is, there was some kind of disagreement. Apparently, 1 or more times she asked him, apparently a regular, to advance her money for the next session, but never provided the prepaid session.

[B]1. You don't advance money to a provider, never, for no reason.

2. It doesn't matter what is promised, you should not expect to receive it, because you don't advance money to a provider, never, for no reason.

3. If the provider really, really needs the money, either give it to her knowing you will never get it back, or go back to rule #1.[/B]

Some people don't understand this and then they get upset when they advance money to a provider and she forgets about the debt.

The provider in question has asked to try to resolve this. For all you or he knows, she really wants to make it right. Sure we can all assume that she won't change her ways, or make good on the debt, but you can't continue to trash the person without sitting down with her and hearing her out.

He fucked up. He made the first mistake. His mistake enabled her to fuck up. All he had to do was say, "I don't have the money for that. Sorry. " Maybe she intended to honor the debt and forgot. Maybe she forgot who she owed the debt to. Maybe she never intended to honor it, but wants to stop the negative publicity.

Regardless of why, she has said, "let's sit down and work this out. " If he's not willing to let her try to pay him back, he can't continue to complain about her not paying him back.

Is that so hard to understand?

[QUOTE=Sapper5;3031525]She claims that she does not know who I am based upon my name on this board. She suggested we grab a drink and see if we can't resolve this.
If she does not know who I am, does that mean there are so many others that she has screwed over that she can't recall all of them?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3032346]But you're ignoring his real concern, I. E. , possibly being set up, or her knowing his identity for retaliation in some way. What about his experience should make him trust her now?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3032455]Not sure where you're getting all of that. He's seen her in the past. How is meeting in a public place going to reveal his real identity? All it does is connect the face to the online handle.
The point is, there was some kind of disagreement. Apparently, 1 or more times she asked him, apparently a regular, to advance her money for the next session, but never provided the prepaid session.

[B]1. You don't advance money to a provider, never, for no reason.[/B]

He fucked up. He made the first mistake. His mistake enabled her to fuck up. Regardless of why, she has said, "let's sit down and work this out. " If he's not willing to let her try to pay him back, he can't continue to complain about her not paying him back. Is that so hard to understand?[/QUOTE]She really doesn't know him as he indicated in his original post. Only a handle on the board and a phone number for contact. Once she meets him and puts a handle, face, phone number and circumstances discussed during the meeting together she may go back to her memory and notes and be able to fill in the blanks and know his true identity. Yes many long term providers have notes about mongers if you don't think they do then check what you are smoking. Let's say he is one of the unlucky hobbyists that charged services on a CC and then she upped the charges and added more later. Does the CC have a real name and the meeting helps her to remember? Let's say she has a friend follow him after he leaves the public establishment, it's happened. To many possible surprises. So there is some type of risk in meeting her.

In regards to giving money in in advance to a provider, never, for no reason. I have seen three mongers post this on the board and the advice is sound. However a high percentage of mongers have given financial advances in one way or another if they truly believe the provider will return the favor with services or actual repayment. This is especially true if the monger has a good relationship with the provider, or should I say, [B]THINKS[/B] there is a good relationship with the provider. I have won and lost in regards to [B]THINKING[/B] my relationship with the provider was sound. I guess you can say I have Fucked Up because I have lost more $ than I have won. That's because my heart was thinking and not my big head and hindsight is like a bad horror movie.

If she is going to make restitution with him, then she needs to make restitution to all those that she scammed money from including the provider who paid for the photo shoot and hotel and never was reimbursed for KC's portion. If a provider is harmed in any way by another provider then I think it's the same as a monger hurting a provider or vice versa. It's just plain and simply wrong. His warnings are valid and he has the right to say them even if he doesn't meet her. She made the final choice to scam him after he fucked up and advanced her money. Life is full of choices and she made a bad choice last and she has to live with it.

KC's history is poor as a lendee, so like I said in my original post, treat her just like any other BP provider, pay for the service and don't give her any financial advances or CC's. She's probably not all bad, just not trustworthy.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3032885]She really doesn't know him as he indicated in his original post. Only a handle on the board and a phone number for contact. Once she meets him and puts a handle, face, phone number and circumstances discussed during the meeting together she may go back to her memory and notes and be able to fill in the blanks and know his true identity. Yes many long term providers have notes about mongers if you don't think they do then check what you are smoking. Let's say he is one of the unlucky hobbyists that charged services on a CC and then she upped the charges and added more later. Does the CC have a real name and the meeting helps her to remember? Let's say she has a friend follow him after he leaves the public establishment, it's happened. To many possible surprises. So there is some type of risk in meeting her.[/QUOTE]As for the risk of meeting her, sure. I would say it's a lot less than the risk of meeting anyone for a session, but it could happen. The question is, is it worth it to a long time provider to send someone after him, or to launch some attack? Probably not. She appears to want to salvage a tarnished reputation. She can't take any action without making things worse.

[QUOTE]In regards to giving money in in advance to a provider, never, for no reason. I have seen three mongers post this on the board and the advice is sound. However a high percentage of mongers have given financial advances in one way or another if they truly believe the provider will return the favor with services or actual repayment. This is especially true if the monger has a good relationship with the provider, or should I say, [B]THINKS[/B] there is a good relationship with the provider. I have won and lost in regards to [B]THINKING[/B] my relationship with the provider was sound. I guess you can say I have Fucked Up because I have lost more $ than I have won. That's because my heart was thinking and not my big head and hindsight is like a bad horror movie.[/QUOTE]Here is the error: Believing the provider will return the favor with services or repayment.

Most mongers have a minimal relationship with providers. Even a regular, unless it's a SD / SB arrangement, it's just a little bit of time, alone with her. Do you hang out with her friends and relatives, go to movies or out to dinner with her, or spend 8 or 10 hours a week, hanging out and talking? Usually the answers are all "no. " It's a few texts or calls for setup, meet, chat, fuck, clean up, chat and leave. Nothing in that exchange is useful to decide if she's a good credit risk.

The fuck up isn't in giving the money. The fuck up is expecting to get the money back. Flip it. How many providers will give a free session on the promise to get paid double next time? How many drug dealers give their product away and say "you can pay me double next time?" Think the casino will float you $500, unsecured, until payday?

Loaning a provider money is a bad decision. Expecting a good outcome from a bad decision is faulty thinking.

[QUOTE]If she is going to make restitution with him, then she needs to make restitution to all those that she scammed money from including the provider who paid for the photo shoot and hotel and never was reimbursed for KC's portion. If a provider is harmed in any way by another provider then I think it's the same as a monger hurting a provider or vice versa. It's just plain and simply wrong. His warnings are valid and he has the right to say them even if he doesn't meet her. She made the final choice to scam him after he fucked up and advanced her money. Life is full of choices and she made a bad choice last and she has to live with it.[/QUOTE]Every person who has been wronged by her has the option to seek their own settlement. Some probably wrote it off long ago. If this has been going on for years there are probably some who are beyond restitution. Showing up 3 years after the funeral and offering someone in the family a free session, isn't likely to go over well. Others have moved away, changed numbers, etc. Restitution for all isn't a possibility.

Several years ago a "friend" called, desperately needing $60. He had a good story and promised to repay me in 3 days. I gave him the money.

Note the word I used, "gave. " My decision wasn't whether he was a good loan risk, I'm not a bank, not an insurance company. My decision was, could I afford to lose that money?

It turned out as expected and I got even more than I expected. No, I never got a penny back, but I got a few really creative stories about why the 3 days had turned into 3 weeks and then 3 months. As an added bonus it removed a whining addict from my life. I never asked him for the money and if I ran into him tomorrow I wouldn't bring it up. However, when a mutual friend brought up a related issue about the guy, I shared my experience (he was a slow learner, he was out about $500).

If the guy reached out to me and offered to meet to discuss the issue, that offer has to become part of the story. If his name ever pops up in conversation again, I can't leave the fact of the offer out of my story. Did I go? If so, what was the offer? Did he follow through? Do I think he has changed?

While I don't believe people are going to change, I do believe in honesty. Which means I believe his story has to change from "I advanced her money and she never followed through", to "I advanced her money and she never followed through. However, after I posted about it she offered to meet and work it out, but I refused. ".

[QUOTE]KC's history is poor as a lendee, so like I said in my original post, treat her just like any other BP provider, pay for the service and don't give her any financial advances or CC's. She's probably not all bad, just not trustworthy.[/QUOTE]That's the advice everyone needs.

Well said Freckle Freak, we know we try to be good people. I'll pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today?

BG,

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3032001]My initial thought is yes because I always like to give the lady a chance to redeem themselves and it is their livelihood that has been impacted. Believe it or not there are enough members of the local hobby who read this board, that may or may not be members of the board, that can seriously impact a providers business by letting others know that they have done them and others wrong in some manner. She obviously has felt the impact or she wouldn't have reached out to you. Here is were the problem lies.

It seldom does any good to reach out and see if they can find someway to right the wrong. Examples are Sexyred, Star Baby, Lisa etc. It really depends on the character of the individual and the character of the ones I mentioned is, well to say it the best way, they have no character only their selfishness and fuck you attitude.

So for the sake of being a good person and being a better person than her and showing compassion my answer would be Yes. Just be aware that it may not stop her actions but at least you can say you tried. That sometimes is worth the price of admission.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BigGuyUAteMe;3033284]Well said Freckle Freak, we know we try to be good people. I'll pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today?

BG,[/QUOTE]Thank you to everyone for your input. I am guilty of providing the money as an advance. I have accepted the consequences of those actions. I do want to be clear that multiple attempts were made on my part to rectify this situation (as far back as 4 months ago). It was not until I outed her here until she made any attempt to try to work something out.

I am not meeting her. The money is gone. I will never see her again, and I simply wanted the board to know to never trust her with an advance.

S5.

[QUOTE=BigGuyUAteMe;3033284]Well said Freckle Freak, we know we try to be good people. I'll pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today?

BG,[/QUOTE]That's what you said the last time, and the time before, and the time before. I never even took a bite of the burger because you put American cheese on the damn thing! You know I only like Swiss cheese because it looks like it has freckles.

So, as a newcomer. I'm curious if the recommendation is to have a burner for all calls, texts, emails, Internet, data, etc. ? Or do you just use it for calls / texts?

I'm assuming, all cost aside, the aforementioned is the way to go, but is there a true risk to a personal device being used to access this site, BP, CL, and send emails from an "anonymous" account? If this isn't the right forum, my apologies, I wasn't sure where to ask. Thanks!

Shit! Just found out according to scientific studies, my type are exclusively found in the DZ. Here all along I just figured it was me.

[URL]https://youtu.be/vwbKYcBdVyk[/URL]

Sincerely Signed,

The Biggest Prick in the Yard (well when I show my ugly ass up).

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3034666]That's what you said the last time, and the time before, and the time before. I never even took a bite of the burger because you put American cheese on the damn thing! You know I only like Swiss cheese because it looks like it has freckles.[/QUOTE]We all know your true preference is fromunda cheese.

[QUOTE=CheapTrick;3039673]I had the pleasure of a meet and greet with her last night. Originally requested QV, but just enjoyed our time riding around in my car, no complaints about going over time. Kitty felt tight via my fingers with no hygiene issues. Everything was offered but will totally enjoy all her pale skin, freckles and long red hair on our next visit. Very sweet girl who does have needs. Just needs help to get back on her feet in the right direction. Sounds like she has been often taken advantage of lately. No issues with boyfriend, who was outside when I arrived. Only negative was the awful location and condition of her hotel.[/QUOTE]She's never going to be "back on her feet" as long as her and her bf keep shooting the profits up their arms, or wherever they're shooting them, at some point we need to have a conscious to answer to. If you want her to get back on her feet, next time you pick her up, drop her off at rehab.

[QUOTE=Bob0324;3039791]She's never going to be "back on her feet" as long as her and her bf keep shooting the profits up their arms, or wherever they're shooting them, at some point we need to have a conscious to answer to. If you want her to get back on her feet, next time you pick her up, drop her off at rehab.[/QUOTE]Oh really. Rehab. On your dime? Please. Guys bargain for a limited thing. So do the chicks. We pay them to leave. They don't care about our lives. Just what's in the wallet. What they do with the money is their business, not ours.

[QUOTE=Covenant60;3040684]Oh really. Rehab. On your dime? Please. Guys bargain for a limited thing. So do the chicks. We pay them to leave. They don't care about our lives. Just what's in the wallet. What they do with the money is their business, not ours.[/QUOTE]The Prickyard because that's where this discussion belongs.

[QUOTE=Covenant60;3040684]Oh really. Rehab. On your dime? Please. Guys bargain for a limited thing. So do the chicks. We pay them to leave. They don't care about our lives. Just what's in the wallet. What they do with the money is their business, not ours.[/QUOTE]No, on [B]YOUR[/B] dime and every other taxpayers dime. Don't you get it Covenant, by the way that means agreement, and your agreement is to pay taxes and your tax dollars will be supporting the 1 in 5 babies born with opiate effects. You are absolutely correct in the fact that they don't care about our lives only their next fix. But I do care where my money is going and it's not going to her because I'm not going to enable her addiction. Don't you get it covenant, most needle pushing providers are also much more susceptible to collect and pass along things you really don't want to take home to momma! So based on all the risks of seeing an "H" addict and the cost to the taxpayers the best place for anyone to drop her off is at a rehab facility. What they do with their money is not our business, unless it's being shot up in their arms! Then we need to learn to not enable them.

Maybe you should start reading the news, see the link below. You also might want to try educating yourself about the newest plague in these United States, heroin addiction! You are paying for it in one way or another, welcome to the real world!

[URL]http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/08/13/data-show-high-rate-opiate-affected-newborns/88561134/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Covenant60;3040684]Oh really. Rehab. On your dime? Please. Guys bargain for a limited thing. So do the chicks. We pay them to leave. They don't care about our lives. Just what's in the wallet. What they do with the money is their business, not ours.[/QUOTE]If you pay attention to the world we live in there's kids in their mid 20's dying every day due to addiction, heroin and crack take away their ability to reason and make proper decisions, the only thing they can think of is their next fix, knowingly seeing an addict is no better than seeing a minor or a trafficked sex slave. Their not in control of their situation, I'm all for pay for play when it's between consenting adults in their right state of mind.

Sorry, I'm not familiar in the process of moving reports to the prickyard.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3040712]No on your dime and every other taxpayer. Don't you get it Covenant, by the way that means agreement, and your agreement is to pay taxes and your tax dollars will be supporting the 1 in 5 babies born with opiate effects. You are absolutely correct in the fact that they don't care about our lives only their next fix. But I do care where my money is going and it's not going to her because I'm not going to enable her addiction. Don't you get it covenant, most needle pushing providers are also much more susceptible to collect and pass along things you really don't want to take home to momma! So based on all the risks of seeing an "H" addict and the cost to the taxpayers the best place for anyone to drop her off is at a rehab facility. What they do with their money is not our business, unless it's being shot up in their arms! Then we need to learn to not enable them.

Maybe you should start reading the news, see the link below. You also might want to try educating yourself about the newest plague in these United States, heroin addiction! You are paying for it in one way or another, welcome to the real world!

[URL]http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/08/13/data-show-high-rate-opiate-affected-newborns/88561134/[/URL][/QUOTE]If you pay attention to the world we live in there's kids in their mid 20's dying every day due to addiction. Heroin and crack take away their ability to reason and make proper decisions, the only thing they can think of is their next fix, knowingly seeing an addict is no better than seeing a minor or a trafficked sex slave. They're not in control of their situation, I'm all for pay for play when it's between consenting adults in their right state of mind.

[QUOTE=Bob0324;3040744]If you pay attention to the world we live in there's kids in their mid 20's dying every day due to addiction. Heroin and crack take away their ability to reason and make proper decisions, the only thing they can think of is their next fix, knowingly seeing an addict is no better than seeing a minor or a trafficked sex slave. They're not in control of their situation, I'm all for pay for play when it's between consenting adults in their right state of mind.[/QUOTE]Good point All for pay for play when it's consenting adults I the right state of mind.

[QUOTE=Bob0324;3040744]If you pay attention to the world we live in there's kids in their mid 20's dying every day due to addiction. Heroin and crack take away their ability to reason and make proper decisions, the only thing they can think of is their next fix, knowingly seeing an addict is no better than seeing a minor or a trafficked sex slave. They're not in control of their situation, I'm all for pay for play when it's between consenting adults in their right state of mind.[/QUOTE]Do you seriously mean to say that you honestly believe there is no difference between having commercial sex between an addict and a child victim of human trafficking? You my friend have lost the fucking plot. Before you try to lecture me on the subject of addiction understand that I have a lot of experience on both sides of that issue. People need to be responsible for the choices, especially addicts. There is no shortage of services available to them in Indianapolis, there are 10, count them, TEN, NA meetings in Indianapolis TODAY. If they want to get help it's a phone call away.

Making apologies for addicts, treating them as children who aren't responsible for what they do is the thing that kills them. Letting them deal with the natural consequences of their choices is the thing that gets that horse to drink the water.

[BLUE]You can tell people that you don't want to see addicts if you wish but if you ever post some shit like this comparing them to children that are being victimized by the most evil people in society again I'm running you. It's not that I'm censoring you, I simply will not tolerate somebody pulling bullshit like that out on the forum in order to win a stupid fucking argument because somebody doesn't agree with him.

Note: This last bit was in blue[/BLUE]

A2.

[QUOTE=Admin2;3041049]Do you seriously mean to say that you honestly believe there is no difference between having commercial sex between an addict and a child victim of human trafficking? You my friend have lost the fucking plot. Before you try to lecture me on the subject of addiction understand that I have a lot of experience on both sides of that issue. People need to be responsible for the choices, especially addicts. There is no shortage of services available to them in Indianapolis, there are 10, count them, TEN, NA meetings in Indianapolis TODAY. If they want to get help it's a phone call away.

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A2.[/QUOTE]If you're an addict the only thing you think will help you is a fix.

[QUOTE=Bob0324;3041080]If you're an addict the only thing you think will help you is a fix.[/QUOTE]Of course that's true. I have always assumed that 90% of chicks that I have seen are using something which is why they're hooking in the first place. Many of us can be described as addicts as well. So far, no girl in my car has given me directions to a Sex Addicts Anonymous meeting to help me with my problem.

Heroin users pose different issues. Are they going to nod in my car? Are they going to die in my presence? Are they more desperate to rip me off? Stuff like that.

If you don't want to see them that's cool. Others may not care and that's cool, too. I myself am not in the "Save a Ho" business. If you are, good luck. You'll need it.

[QUOTE=Covenant60;3041490]Of course that's true. I have always assumed that 90% of chicks that I have seen are using something which is why they're hooking in the first place. Many of us can be described as addicts as well. So far, no girl in my car has given me directions to a Sex Addicts Anonymous meeting to help me with my problem.

Heroin users pose different issues. Are they going to nod in my car? Are they going to die in my presence? Are they more desperate to rip me off? Stuff like that.

If you don't want to see them that's cool. Others may not care and that's cool, too. I myself am not in the "Save a Ho" business. If you are, good luck. You'll need it.[/QUOTE]I just seek the ones that are not slaves to anything or anyone, and there's plenty of them out there. Usually will cost $$ or more per visit though. Have I seen girls that were addicts? Of course I have, however; I will not knowingly see or continue to see any though.

[QUOTE=Bob0324;3041527]I just seek the ones that are not slaves to anything or anyone, and there's plenty of them out there. Usually will cost $$ or more per visit though. Have I seen girls that were addicts? Of course I have, however; I will not knowingly see or continue to see any though.[/QUOTE]That's fine. I'm sure unicorns are real. (smile).

[QUOTE=Covenant60;3041571]That's fine. I'm sure unicorns are real. (smile).[/QUOTE]There is a BIG difference between where you decide to play then other members (no judgement) but don't assume that ALL providers are the same. I have said that before and I will say it again. There are reputable providers that aren't using drugs or need someone to " save " them. Please. Some of us have our shit together. Few and far between but we are out there and sure as hell aren't " unicorns " .

[QUOTE=Admin2;3041049]Do you seriously mean to say that you honestly believe there is no difference between having commercial sex between an addict and a child victim of human trafficking? There is no shortage of services available to them in Indianapolis, there are 10, count them, TEN, NA meetings in Indianapolis TODAY. If they want to get help it's a phone call away.

Making apologies for addicts, treating them as children who aren't responsible for what they do is the thing that kills them. Letting them deal with the natural consequences of their choices is the thing that gets that horse to drink the water.
A2.[/QUOTE]There are 12 meetings on Saturday in the Indianapolis Metropolitan area and there are also some in the suburbs as well. See the list below. There is a difference between addict escorts and other trafficking victims because drug addicts have a choice and victims don't. However it is well known that some traffickers use drugs to keep control of their victims. Then they dump them on the streets when they are no longer bringing in the dollars. This makes them both victims and addicts. I personally know of three recovering addicts who became addicts and escorts by this means. Many addicts are who start at a young age, in their teens, are still emotionally and psychologically children even as a young adult if they have always used because it has been shown that a heavy user doesn't move past the emotional and psychological age of when they started using. This is why rehab is so important because their addict behavior and emotional age has to be changed through a process of reintegration into society. An addict can become clean but they often relapse because they haven't learned the tools to survive in the real world and they are still emotionally the same age as when they started using.

Don't apologize for addicts but don't enable them either. As the population of addicts grows so does the cost to society as a whole. This is just one persons opinion who has many years of experience with addicts, not really trying to win an argument.

[QUOTE=Covenant60;3041490]Of course that's true. I have always assumed that 90% of chicks that I have seen are using something which is why they're hooking in the first place. Many of us can be described as addicts as well. So far, no girl in my car has given me directions to a Sex Addicts Anonymous meeting to help me with my problem.

Heroin users pose different issues. Are they going to nod in my car? Are they going to die in my presence? Are they more desperate to rip me off? Stuff like that.

If you don't want to see them that's cool. Others may not care and that's cool, too. I myself am not in the "Save a Ho" business. If you are, good luck. You'll need it.[/QUOTE]Probably true on the 90% of Backpage chicks, but not true at all if you are talking about all the reviewed legitimate providers. [B]Once again you get what you pay for.[/B] If you need to get your rocks off and only have $50 - $100 then any addict escort will do it hands down. A legitimate provider won't provide services for $50 - $100 because they don't need a fix today! Covenant go ahead and see your addict escorts just like many do, but just remember the dealer they run to after your visit is expanding their customer base on a daily basis and soon will be talking to your kids friends and eventually your kids at the nearby educational facility they attend! Then it becomes your problem because the epidemic is growing rapidly.

As far as SAA is concerned, it's a great place to pick up chicks. Some are addicts some aren't.

[QUOTE=Covenant60;3041571]That's fine. I'm sure unicorns are real. (smile).[/QUOTE]I would have thought someone as defined as yourself would have known that they are real. Unicorn Definition: A bisexual person, usually though not always female, who is willing to join an existing couple, often with the presumption that this person will date and become sexually involved with both members of that couple, and not demand anything or do anything which might cause problems or inconvenience to that couple.

Hope this helps your sex education. Now hopefully you can educate yourself in regards to addiction.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3042016]Probably true on the 90% of Backpage chicks, but not true at all if you are talking about all the reviewed legitimate providers. [B]Once again you get what you pay for.[/B] If you need to get your rocks off and only have $50 - $100 then any addict escort will do it hands down. A legitimate provider won't provide services for $50 - $100 because they don't need a fix today! Covenant go ahead and see your addict escorts just like many do, but just remember the dealer they run to after your visit is expanding their customer base on a daily basis and soon will be talking to your kids friends and eventually your kids at the nearby educational facility they attend! Then it becomes your problem because the epidemic is growing rapidly.

As far as SAA is concerned, it's a great place to pick up chicks. Some are addicts some aren't.[/QUOTE]Cool. I think most escorts even the ones you pay $$ for are addicted to something. Something that makes them hook. I don't think chicks who are clean and sober wake up one day and decide to suck dicks for a living. Maybe I'm Wrong. Maybe a couple have decided on that as a career. But yeah my goal is to get my nut. At a reasonable price. With as little hassle as possible. If they are addicted to boy or hard, that's part of the deal and the decision they and I make. We are all adults with problems. Good luck to us all, stay safe, and happy hunting.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3042020]I would have thought someone as defined as yourself would have known that they are real. Unicorn Definition: A bisexual person, usually though not always female, who is willing to join an existing couple, often with the presumption that this person will date and become sexually involved with both members of that couple, and not demand anything or do anything which might cause problems or inconvenience to that couple.

Hope this helps your sex education. Now hopefully you can educate yourself in regards to addiction.[/QUOTE]I meant unicorns in the fairy tale sense. Go ahead and bust my balls if you want. I know plenty about addiction, believe me. We disagree on nuances I think.

[QUOTE=NightOwl14;3041330]I know there's a conversation about this going on in the Prickyard, and I'm not trying to bring it back to this board, but there's something strange going on with her. Something doesn't completely add up. I really didn't see any evidence of drug use, but I'm not really sure I would know if I saw it (unless it was obvious). I did not go in her hotel room, so I can't comment on that (BTW, the boyfriend is rather harmless, and even waved at us when we left). I had a good time, but I don't think I will repeat based on my experience with her today, and conversations that are being held elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Didn't you see the report where the monger visited her and saw the needles by the sink? Addicts are not obvious because they don't want to scare you away, they just want your money to be able to visit their pharmacist. She couldn't answer your question about where did the money go because she was tripping and wasn't thinking straight. You see a gram of H on the streets in Indy runs about $200. A heavy user goes through a gram a day. So do the math. How much does it take a day to trip, pay for a hotel room, get a little food, pay for the cell phone, and buy raincoats? Oh wait heavy addicts don't want to spend the money on raincoats it's an unnecessary expense.

Sorry NightOwl you got addictscamed! Oh by the way addicts never lie when they tell you they just were checked out and they are clean!

[QUOTE=Covenant60;3042021]Cool. I think most escorts even the ones you pay $$ for are addicted to something. Something that makes them hook. I don't think chicks who are clean and sober wake up one day and decide to suck dicks for a living. Maybe I'm Wrong. Maybe a couple have decided on that as a career. But yeah my goal is to get my nut. At a reasonable price. With as little hassle as possible. If they are addicted to boy or hard, that's part of the deal and the decision they and I make. We are all adults with problems. Good luck to us all, stay safe, and happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Excuse me? Ya your WAY wrong. AGAIN. NOT all providers who are woman NOT chicks are not addicted to things. I do NOT do drugs. I do NOT drink. And I do this part time because well I like to suck a cock every once in a while. It's fun for me and FYI I don't DO this for a living and even the ones I know that do this for a living are clean and sober as well. And enjoy the hell out of what they do.

[QUOTE=Covenant60;3042021]Cool. I think most escorts even the ones you pay $$ for are addicted to something. Something that makes them hook. I don't think chicks who are clean and sober wake up one day and decide to suck dicks for a living. Maybe I'm Wrong. Maybe a couple have decided on that as a career. But yeah my goal is to get my nut. At a reasonable price. With as little hassle as possible. If they are addicted to boy or hard, that's part of the deal and the decision they and I make. We are all adults with problems. Good luck to us all, stay safe, and happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Three reasons why chicks escort.

One: To supply their addiction, most of them in this category are where the drugs are the addiction. Some however have other expensive addictions like gambling or shopping.

Two: To support their standard of living. This is the most common among the non-addicts. They want to either survive or obtain a higher standard of living than what their real career will allow.

Three: They actually like sex and might as well be paid for it, instead of giving it away for free.

I know of at least 20 local providers who fall into the Two or Three category and many times the number three influences the number two category. It also can influence the number one but not very often. CK is an example of a number one and number three and I hear she is now a recovering addict not an active addict. She still likes sex and is now working on her standard of living not drugs.

I think the amazing thing is why do men have to be the only ones who enjoy sex! It's awfully sexist and hypocritical to think that men are the only ones who like to fuck! Covenant you must be old school.

[QUOTE=Covenant60;3042023]I meant unicorns in the fairy tale sense. Go ahead and bust my balls if you want. I know plenty about addiction, believe me. We disagree on nuances I think.[/QUOTE]I ain't adding to the addiction argument as I have made my feelings clear in the past both on this board and in person to my monger friends. I will just say this. If you think unicorns are hard to find, try finding a red haired unicorn.

Sincerely Signed,

Still The Biggest Prick in the Yard.

P.S. A red headed unicorn will be in town this week.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3042049]Three reasons why chicks escort.

One: To supply their addiction, most of them in this category are where the drugs are the addiction. Some however have other expensive addictions like gambling or shopping.

Two: To support their standard of living. This is the most common among the non-addicts. They want to either survive or obtain a higher standard of living than what their real career will allow.

Three: They actually like sex and might as well be paid for it, instead of giving it away for free.

I know of at least 20 local providers who fall into the Two or Three category and many times the number three influences the number two category. It also can influence the number one but not very often. CK is an example of a number one and number three and I hear she is now a recovering addict not an active addict. She still likes sex and is now working on her standard of living not drugs.

I think the amazing thing is why do men have to be the only ones who enjoy sex! It's awfully sexist and hypocritical to think that men are the only ones who like to fuck! Covenant you must be old school.[/QUOTE]What fucktard started all this shit?

[blue]No idea but they started it on the right thread.

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[QUOTE=Bob0324;3042190]What fucktard started all this shit?

[blue]No idea but they started it on the right thread.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]I don't think they did. I think Freckle Freak moved it here.

[blue]Tip o the hat to FF then.

Thanks FF

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