Matt. You hit the hoe on the head.
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Matt. You hit the hoe on the head.
[QUOTE=Matt574;3313127]Is there an exceptional dearth of half-way attractive local talent these days? It's never been a great area with a lot of options but the pickings seem especially few and fairly hideous for quite some time. Has everyone gone below the radar or is it simply a long drought?[/QUOTE]I've found some UTR attractive girls who really aren't out there for every customer but more of a "beneficial relationship". Beyond that, there is definitely a hole to be filled in the normal scene.
[QUOTE=EGrayUpState;3328995]I've found some UTR attractive girls who really aren't out there for every customer but more of a "beneficial relationship". Beyond that, there is definitely a hole to be filled in the normal scene.[/QUOTE]I've been doing the UTR thing as well. Its a lot work as time availability is limited but the quality of experience is better.
(please don't email me asking for #'s. My 2 UTRs are not looking for more business and they picked me, not the other way around) .
I got really tired of the same old set an appt, show up and get radio silence or wait 10 minutes which turned into an hour.
My usual availability is mornings 7 am. Noon, and most girls don't seem to answer the phone before noon.
Albany usually has a dry spell Jan until July when track season kicks in and we start getting "visitors".
[QUOTE=DCGuy;3333235]I've been doing the UTR thing as well. Its a lot work as time availability is limited but the quality of experience is better.
(please don't email me asking for #'s. My 2 UTRs are not looking for more business and they picked me, not the other way around) .
I got really tired of the same old set an appt, show up and get radio silence or wait 10 minutes which turned into an hour.
My usual availability is mornings 7 am. Noon, and most girls don't seem to answer the phone before noon.
Albany usually has a dry spell Jan until July when track season kicks in and we start getting "visitors".[/QUOTE]This is why I've been pretty much on radio silence. I'm tired of the disappointments, games and hassles. UTR has its issues but overall it's been working better for me.
[QUOTE=EGrayUpState;3284693]Just because you say it's fantasy, just like if you say "No illegal activities, no sex", that doesn't somehow protect it or make it legal. It's what you are actually doing, not necessarily how you get to it. In the end, money is exchanged for sex regardless of what sort of meaningless disclaimer you use.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more.
The best is " I'm not affiliated with law enforcement of any kind, are you? " a police officers job is to lie and deceive. That's how they make their busts. Just bc you say your not a cop doesn't make it true. It's crazy how many do this and accept it as fact!! Boggles my mind the incompetence of some. Mafia went down bc the feds were commiting crimes along side them to get the dirt on them.
It's just how it's done.
Besides they will always believe the law enforcement agent before the one accused of breaking the law!!
My list of holiday gripes:
-Can we please delete the "Strip club category" from this Albany board. What a waste of time and money they are, especially in this area. Why would you want to pay for a sweaty girl to dance on a pole or even worse, come and tease you with no final reward? You can watch porn for free online and end up with the same outcome in your hand hahahaha.
-Guys that talk about "my friend" or "I had a dream" when doing reports, OH. LEO has no idea who you are talking about and we all envy your "friends" and "your dreams".
-The method of expressing money, what is this, Bitcoin " 2"?
-Aren't you shocked by the pics of the people arrested for prostitution busts when you see them. I always ask "really. Are they are working girls" YIKES.
-Guys that ask for contacts without ever doing reports. Makes you wonder doesn't it, are they just giving it a shot or is it something nefarious?
-Guys that ask for info and say they will TOFTT and post a report that never comes? Lie to your wife / spouse, not to the rest of us here.
-Guys that post the kind of stuff above because they are simply bored on the holiday? Hahahahahahahaha.
Would be good to delete the Strip club reports category though!
I see no need to continue here, I will no longer utilize backpage. The hobby has taken a turn for the worst, IMHO, BE CAREFUL.
[QUOTE=Cetacean;3442128]I see no need to continue here, I will no longer utilize backpage. The hobby has taken a turn for the worst, IMHO, BE CAREFUL.[/QUOTE]Dude, what happened?
If you visit BACKPAGE and see the many ads for VanVranken stating NEW young girls etc. Be aware that it's false. Same woman as always nothing new.
[QUOTE=SilverBaron;3455264]I don't know how others feel about it, but I tend to want to avoid patronizing models who run in a crew or are involved in some sort of partnership with other models. I've seen this happen time and time again where models who once worked together have a falling out and start talking smack about one another on the web. Hobbyists then line up to take sides and get mixed up in situations that they should probably stay out of. The drama then spills over into a site that is supposed to be here to provide reviews, information and tips to help fellow hobbyists stay safe and determine which models are valid and legit and which ones we should avoid. Hobbyists have enough problems trying to avoid models who will rob us, provide poor service or may have chemical issues. We certainly don't need to take on their drama as well! I don't know about you guys-but I have enough of my own problems without getting mixed up in personal issues between models. For this reason-I avoid "crews", partnerships, cliques and models that run in packs! I've never seen any of these partnerships end amicably.[/QUOTE]Models. Is that what we're calling them now? LOL.
[QUOTE=WarrenAJeffers;3456416]Models. Is that what we're calling them now? LOL.[/QUOTE]I never suggested that others should refer to them as models. It's my own personal preference. Given the troubles a lot of hobbyists on here have had getting decent, safe service-I simply don't find the term "providers" suitable for me. Yet I think it sounds better then "biotches", which was the term used by the fellow hobbyist whose post I replied to. I had hoped that others would have gotten more out of what I wrote than my use of the term "models". Unfortunately, I was wrong. The mistake is mine and I own it.
[QUOTE=SilverBaron;3456769]I never suggested that others should refer to them as models. It's my own personal preference. Given the troubles a lot of hobbyists on here have had getting decent, safe service-I simply don't find the term "providers" suitable for me. Yet I think it sounds better then "biotches", which was the term used by the fellow hobbyist whose post I replied to. I had hoped that others would have gotten more out of what I wrote than my use of the term "models". Unfortunately, I was wrong. The mistake is mine and I own it.[/QUOTE]From what I posted about, that original post, I believe my use of the term [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] was proper. It was not about providing or modeling, but about one which trying to control a provider who does not need that [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]
No harm, no foul.
My only intention was to point out that getting mixed up in all their drama is just a complete waste of time. I have more pressing concerns in my life. I don't want to make their problems my problems unless their issues affect me personally. And I can't see where any of us as hobbyists are affected by how these girls treat or try to control each other. Life is just too short for me to concern myself with that nonsense. But I would never presume to tell anyone else how to live. If it matters that much to you, fine. Whatever floats your boat.
Stay safe.
[QUOTE=SilverBaron;3463780]No harm, no foul.
My only intention was to point out that getting mixed up in all their drama is just a complete waste of time. I have more pressing concerns in my life. I don't want to make their problems my problems unless their issues affect me personally. And I can't see where any of us as hobbyists are affected by how these girls treat or try to control each other. Life is just too short for me to concern myself with that nonsense. But I would never presume to tell anyone else how to live. If it matters that much to you, fine. Whatever floats your boat.
Stay safe.[/QUOTE]Maybe you read too much in my orig. Post. I am not mixed up or really care one iota, but was just pointing out the idiocy of it all, and at most, I guess to point out that others may want to be wary of such a control freak, chocolate, that is, whomever she is.
[QUOTE=Freedom2B;3464985]Maybe you read too much in my orig. Post. I am not mixed up or really care one iota, but was just pointing out the idiocy of it all, and at most, I guess to point out that others may want to be wary of such a control freak, chocolate, that is, whomever she is.[/QUOTE]There are a lot of people to be wary of in the hobby. B. S. Comes in all forms, all sizes, shapes and colors and from every possible direction. If I feel I have a legit reason to avoid her, I will.
The fact that she may be a control freak doesn't speak to whether or not her service is good or bad. Any hobbyists looking to hook up with her should first seek the answers to these questions:
Is her environment safe? Is her price reasonable? Does she upsell? Is she promising services that she does not provide? Does she have chemical issues?
Everyone is a f. King control freak to some degree and on some level. I'll base my decision whether or not to see a particular girl on valid, legit reviews. It sounds like you have an ax to grind.
With this girl-so you might not be the most objective person to take advice from.
[QUOTE=SilverBaron;3465383]There are a lot of people to be wary of in the hobby. B. S. Comes in all forms, all sizes, shapes and colors and from every possible direction. If I feel I have a legit reason to avoid her, I will.
The fact that she may be a control freak doesn't speak to whether or not her service is good or bad. Any hobbyists looking to hook up with her should first seek the answers to these questions:
Is her environment safe? Is her price reasonable? Does she upsell? Is she promising services that she does not provide? Does she have chemical issues?
Everyone is a f. King control freak to some degree and on some level. I'll base my decision whether or not to see a particular girl on valid, legit reviews. It sounds like you have an ax to grind.
With this girl-so you might not be the most objective person to take advice from.[/QUOTE]What the fuuk are you talking about. I was not angling regarding review of anyone or whether you should go for it or anything like that. Just pointed out a sociological observation.
OH I have no ax to grind. Do not know her, never went near that person. And never would for specific reasons, nor would I recommend my buddy to do so. NOW, it seems as if YOU may have some bias in favor of her. I guess you are just a fan of a person that would dog a gal who wants to be independent of a pimp wannabee as this manager type, Chocolate. And I can only now realize that your posts are an attack on me due to your bias. Guess what, you DID read way too much into my original post. That is very clear now. I care not what you do or your criteria. I just posted on the proclivity of certain persons who act a certain way. In this case, a control freak "manager". Sorry if you do not like my pointing out a possible psychotic flaw in your favored friend / associate / whatever.
[QUOTE=Freedom2B;3477942]What the fuuk are you talking about. I was not angling regarding review of anyone or whether you should go for it or anything like that. Just pointed out a sociological observation.
OH I have no ax to grind. Do not know her, never went near that person. And never would for specific reasons, nor would I recommend my buddy to do so. NOW, it seems as if YOU may have some bias in favor of her. I guess you are just a fan of a person that would dog a gal who wants to be independent of a pimp wannabee as this manager type, Chocolate. And I can only now realize that your posts are an attack on me due to your bias. Guess what, you DID read way too much into my original post. That is very clear now. I care not what you do or your criteria. I just posted on the proclivity of certain persons who act a certain way. In this case, a control freak "manager". Sorry if you do not like my pointing out a possible psychotic flaw in your favored friend / associate / whatever.[/QUOTE]I've never met her, either. And having read back several months over your previous postings-I suspect I know why you would never see her. Your postings tend to be highly judgemental of certain types of people which you clearly don't like. No one attacked you, Freedom. But-since you went there-referring to another human being as a "biotch" could be considered unusually cruel for someone who has to pay for it-don't you think? You just recently called another girl a "fatty". And I'm attacking YOU? From what I have read, you have a very long history here of posting extremely cruel and disrespectful comments toward certain people. And you call ME biased? You'd never hear me talking about another person the way you talk about these people-whether I like them or not. It's not my place to pass judgment on them. And-in case you didn't get my point the first time, let my state it a different way: These girls personal lives is NO business of yours. PERIOD! Unless it affects you personally! Yeah-somebody is psychotic. As well as obsessed. To quote you: "I just posted on the proclivity of certain persons who act a certain way". Those are YOUR words. I'm doing the same. Now-you have every right to think and feel any way you want to about certain people. But, please don't deceive yourself into believing that you yourself are perfect. I know for a fact that I am not. And-according to your posting history here-neither are you!
[QUOTE=SilverBaron;3478731]I've never met her, either. And having read back several months over your previous postings-I suspect I know why you would never see her. Your postings tend to be highly judgemental of certain types of people which you clearly don't like. No one attacked you, Freedom. But-since you went there-referring to another human being as a "biotch" could be considered unusually cruel for someone who has to pay for it-don't you think? You just recently called another girl a "fatty". And I'm attacking YOU? From what I have read, you have a very long history here of posting extremely cruel and disrespectful comments toward certain people. And you call ME biased? You'd never hear me talking about another person the way you talk about these people-whether I like them or not. It's not my place to pass judgment on them. And-in case you didn't get my point the first time, let my state it a different way: These girls personal lives is NO business of yours. PERIOD! Unless it affects you personally! Yeah-somebody is psychotic. As well as obsessed. To quote you: "I just posted on the proclivity of certain persons who act a certain way". Those are YOUR words. I'm doing the same. Now-you have every right to think and feel any way you want to about certain people. But, please don't deceive yourself into believing that you yourself are perfect. I know for a fact that I am not. And-according to your posting history here-neither are you![/QUOTE]Holy shite batman. You really are off base. My biooootch comment was about a manager who was alleged to be posting a fake ad dogging another provider who was trying to be independent of said female manager. My post was in response to a post (s) first placed regarding the issue by other posters. None of them was YOU. SO, yes, YOU are way off track. ANd now you wish to attack. I read your first two lines and decided to ignore the rest. I see you are a recent newbie poster here. Your cred is low with me.
By the way, yes, I am a picky fuckkker. If I were to seek, I would not fuuk pigs or hippos or gnarly faced persons. If moulah is involved there, there is absolutely no reason to pay ugly women for such stuff unless you yourself are hideous. I do not have that problem and the quality in upstate NY leaves a lot to be desired.
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It's long past time to shut you down. I just reviewed your posts, your obviously a chick or a guy who's had a complete ballectomy.
In any event, be gone
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[QUOTE=SilverBaron;3481995]The quality of providers in the area leaves a lot to be desired. But-that does not entitle you to abuse them, judge them unfairly or spend your time wasting theirs.
No matter how they look or whether or not they meet the standards of someone with a Narcissistic Personality Disorder. They are human beings, and as such (on that basis alone) deserve respect.[/QUOTE]No NPD here.
You are a fool. You act as if I am abusing them. To their face. You are a total fool. Start reading all the posters threads here. As if I am the only one pointing out fat, ugly, scrawny, picked skin, sloppiness, on and on. Are you for real? I speak in truthful statements, not political correctness. That is a fact and THAT is not being foolish here. When posters talk of back handed actions of a person, such as a pimp / mgr who is USING and truly abusing these persons / providers and taking from them, and then I refer with a Biottttch term (OH WOW< HOW ABUSIVE), which is the truth in fact, then you get all high and mighty? Maybe YOU have a Messianic Disorder. Go mind your own business and read the terms of service on here. You are in violation and now you have made me be in violation by responding to your nonsense. Go ignore yourself. I suppose if I use terms like slender, sexy, athletic-like-a-volleyball player, alluring, hott, and so forth, then you shall attack me or others as being shallow, objectifying, misogynistic, materialistic and other assorted DSM-V recognized disorders.
By the way, not sure what country you hail from, but in this country, Freedom of Speech still exists. Freedom of opinion also hails and those are not "entitlements". You are just a troll on this internet.
I have regularly posted about how to post on CL, be coherent, non threatening, and attempt to write a clear and concise request for a paramour. I will not share their digits. I worked long and hard, with numerous failures, in between. If you're too lazy, it's not my problem. Both my regulars screen and respond to respectful ads. Any pm for digits will no longer receive any response. They do not even want me sharing any information, that's why they're under the radar.
[QUOTE=Cetacean;3561581]I have regularly posted about how to post on CL, be coherent, non threatening, and attempt to write a clear and concise request for a paramour. I will not share their digits. I worked long and hard, with numerous failures, in between. If you're too lazy, it's not my problem. Both my regulars screen and respond to respectful ads. Any pm for digits will no longer receive any response. They do not even want me sharing any information, that's why they're under the radar.[/QUOTE]That's all very good, but if you're so happy with your 2 utr chicks, what ru still doing here?
[QUOTE=WarrenAJeffers;3562506]That's all very good, but if you're so happy with your 2 utr chicks, what ru still doing here?[/QUOTE]People pm me, being a respectable person, I respond. So, to answer your inquiry, that's why. And I agree with you. Are you an administrator?
[QUOTE=HobFix;3576709]Yeah I've read her postings. Complaining about how there's no place to provide her side of the story on reviews. Especially about hobbyist's hygiene and looks.[/QUOTE]In general, if you are seeing a provider and you stink like diesel fuel or body odor or very bad breath or etc. And you go looking like you are in need of a serious shower, you should expect a YMMV result. Think about it. They can be selective just as we can.
Who wants to fuck a bum except a desperate strung out H-addict?
Be clean, groomed, smell normal and not just flooded with some nasty cologne and dress up clean as well. Some apparently do not do the right thing.
[QUOTE=Freedom2B;3576779]In general, if you are seeing a provider and you stink like diesel fuel or body odor or very bad breath or etc. And you go looking like you are in need of a serious shower, you should expect a YMMV result. Think about it. They can be selective just as we can.
Who wants to fuck a bum except a desperate strung out H-addict?
Be clean, groomed, smell normal and not just flooded with some nasty cologne and dress up clean as well. Some apparently do not do the right thing.[/QUOTE]Getting the impression you're lecturing us low brows by telling us the obvious.
[QUOTE=HobFix;3577310]Getting the impression you're lecturing us low brows by telling us the obvious.[/QUOTE]No, and I am not the first to make a general reminder statement of what these providers may be putting up with and the message is to those who are NOT aware of this, do not gooom, take a shower first or change their old you-trow even. Sorry if you took anything personally in this general post. Not lecturing, just reminding or making the unaware, aware. Food for thought as THIS factor may be the cause of YMMV with some who seem dissatisfied with the meeting. And this may be why this "provider" good or not at what she does, was griping on some site about not being able to tell her side. If you remove all such factors going in, then she has no *****. Cleanliness and politeness counts a lot as they are humans also and I am sure most, and you know this. Some may not concern themselves with this aspect though and should. IMHO.
OK, this is the hobby equivalent of complaining about airline food, but WTF is up with the Asian ads that show impossibly gorgeous women to lure you in then switch to some random chick? I've answered ads more out of a desire to complain than to actually visit them. Sure, some of the girls who actually answer the ads may be good lucking, great fucks, or both, but come on, are they even 1/10 as sexy as the girls in the ads? BP bait and switch is a fact of life, but the Asians take to the level of an art form.
[QUOTE=RustyShaq;3706228]OK, this is the hobby equivalent of complaining about airline food, but WTF is up with the Asian ads that show impossibly gorgeous women to lure you in then switch to some random chick? I've answered ads more out of a desire to complain than to actually visit them. Sure, some of the girls who actually answer the ads may be good lucking, great fucks, or both, but come on, are they even 1/10 as sexy as the girls in the ads? BP bait and switch is a fact of life, but the Asians take to the level of an art form.[/QUOTE]You sound like me. I wish I could find an independent Asian, I believe that the culture prevents the possibility, especially for Asian born ladies. I've walked away more than once, then they lower the donation. I don't go back because I can engage with a pretty AA or Caucasian. Anyway, just another reason I stick with two utr ladies, and it's much safer.
[QUOTE=Cetacean;3707345]You sound like me. I wish I could find an independent Asian, I believe that the culture prevents the possibility, especially for Asian born ladies. I've walked away more than once, then they lower the donation. I don't go back because I can engage with a pretty AA or Caucasian. Anyway, just another reason I stick with two utr ladies, and it's much safer.[/QUOTE]I said once that I pity the smoking hot independent Asian girl who posts a legitimate ad on BP. Guys like us will skip right on by thinking it's another bait and switch.
Plus there's that one ad for a smoking hot Vietnamese girl which ended up being a scam. I still see it from time to time.
[QUOTE=RustyShaq;3706228]OK, this is the hobby equivalent of complaining about airline food, but WTF is up with the Asian ads that show impossibly gorgeous women to lure you in then switch to some random chick? I've answered ads more out of a desire to complain than to actually visit them. Sure, some of the girls who actually answer the ads may be good lucking, great fucks, or both, but come on, are they even 1/10 as sexy as the girls in the ads? BP bait and switch is a fact of life, but the Asians take to the level of an art form.[/QUOTE]They are probably not here in the USA anyways, WAY TGTBT. Otherwise, guys here would actually steal them away to a town far far away from where they "saved them" and marry them. If they looked that good. Love! Think about that.
Kinda like why dudes fly to the phillipines and find a little cutie who may then look like a monkey by age 50, but by then, the 50 yr old dude with a 23 yr old hottie will then be 80 and needs glasses anyway!
They know it works. Triggers certain brains, they get their juices a flowin, then just got to have that, then they take what they can get and when they squirt they could care less at that point. Some others do care and walk away. Numbers game.
Since the change in policies, does BP allow the posters to put in their own location? Or is everything automatically Albany? I would like to know which girls are local to Schenectady without having to call a dozen.
I know there is always an angle, but what is the deal with a girl wanting to be paid with a money pak card? I always thought cash was king! But she wants a money pak card. She told me where to buy it, and how much to put on it. - First time I ran into this and looking for advice. - Thanks. Dave.
[QUOTE=Dave518;3747270]I know there is always an angle, but what is the deal with a girl wanting to be paid with a money pak card? I always thought cash was king! But she wants a money pak card. She told me where to buy it, and how much to put on it. - First time I ran into this and looking for advice. - Thanks. Dave.[/QUOTE]Hi Dave. Ron M from Chicago.
It's a classic scam. You put money on a gift card. Then she'll ask you what the code number is on the card over the phone. Once she has that number she has your money and you never get to see her. I've read in other states where guys fell for this scam. Any provider that wants a gift card as payment totally avoid.
[QUOTE=Dave518;3747270]I know there is always an angle, but what is the deal with a girl wanting to be paid with a money pak card? I always thought cash was king! But she wants a money pak card. She told me where to buy it, and how much to put on it. - First time I ran into this and looking for advice. - Thanks. Dave.[/QUOTE]Never heard of it, but I'm sure that it is somehow a scam.
[QUOTE=Dave518;3747270]I know there is always an angle, but what is the deal with a girl wanting to be paid with a money pak card? I always thought cash was king! But she wants a money pak card. She told me where to buy it, and how much to put on it. - First time I ran into this and looking for advice. - Thanks. Dave.[/QUOTE]And I bet after you get the card she'll want the number over the phone to verify and PRESTO the money is gone. Like the other guy said, cash is king.
Hammer.
Is the location automatically set as Albany, or are the Schenectady girls just not posting? I want to know where the girls are before I call them. - Dave.
[QUOTE=Dave518;3768594]Is the location automatically set as Albany, or are the Schenectady girls just not posting? I want to know where the girls are before I call them. - Dave.[/QUOTE]Some of the girls have wised up and are putting their location, menu and / or rules in a picture, but the site only allows the general area. I often text a number of girls and ask where they are, apologizing because of BP's nonsense.
Okay, so three out of my four ATFs are now pregnant. WTF is up with that? I am not into doing pregnant women, dammit!
One of them (a true UTR) tried to tell me I am the baby daddy as if the bag broke when we were doing it. Claims she had not been seeing anyone else, just me, etc. Uh huh, I took care of that a long time ago so its a physical impossibility.
Now I got to start all over again and the pickings are damn slim. Frustrating!
[QUOTE=Matt574;3771319]Okay, so three out of my four ATFs are now pregnant. WTF is up with that? I am not into doing pregnant women, dammit!
One of them (a true UTR) tried to tell me I am the baby daddy as if the bag broke when we were doing it. Claims she had not been seeing anyone else, just me, etc. Uh huh, I took care of that a long time ago so its a physical impossibility.
Now I got to start all over again and the pickings are damn slim. Frustrating![/QUOTE]Wow. What did she say when you told her you were fixed?
[QUOTE=IvyLeaman;3772447]Wow. What did she say when you told her you were fixed?[/QUOTE]Well I was pretty emphatic and said "It doesn't grow back" and that made her laugh and that was the end of it.