General Reports

I think the board is a huge benefit, considering the way things are structured here it would be very difficult for somebody to post a self-review or such and get away with it like they do on other boards. Based on the fact that it takes 25 posts and six months to become a senior, an out-of-towner is unable to post a self review without facing extreme criticism. I think the girls should be able to post on here in the advertising section at least, I can't see why they would be posting any place else on the board. I think it would be useful for the girls to read bad reviews so they know how not to treat somebody. I find this site the safest to use with the most reliable information. The fact that a negative review cannot be flagged and deleted is priceless. When I write a review I attempt to give an account of what happened, and let the reader decide good or bad. I do my best to paint a picture so you can decide if you want to choose a girl or not. For example, if I write the girl has a massive amount of acne on her ass crack, I leave that to you to decide if you want to stare at that for 30 minutes. I must admit, many reviews I read give a fair enough account of the situation to make me render a decision whether or not to make a visit. I wonder how many members are here in Orlando contributing to the board.

[QUOTE=VerySlowly]I just received a PM from "Chica Chaser" and he was concerned about when to write about the girls and whether
to tell girls about this board.

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I follow the same basic rules as my friend VS. If I have a bad experience, I will think about it a bit before I post. I try to keep my emotions in check and give an objective review. If I have a good experience and the lady is interested in some marketing assistance, I will ask her first.

I don't talk to providers about the Forum very often. The time that I did, I've been sorry because she continues to hang out without adding much value in my humble opinion.

All of our tastes and experiences vary. Some are adventurers and some just like to hang out in a low-key mode. Some like 'em big and some like spinners. Some like a wide variety. That's fine with me. I enjoy reading about the adventures. I rarely judge unless I see an obvious and potentially nasty situation like when someone new to the Forum is recommending a freak with baggage.

I generally have great experiences in local AMP's. It must be my trusting face and magnanimous personality. I try not to get too specific in my AMP reviews to protect the innocent.

Hey VS....are you referring to the provider I was trying to help you connect with?? Sorry if the experience wasn't up to snuff!! I try to share special treats only with Senior Members when I feel I can put the WOF Seal of Approval on them.

WOF

[QUOTE=VerySlowly]I just received a PM from "Chica Chaser" and he was concerned about when to write about the girls and whether
to tell girls about this board.

How do the rest of you feel about these issues? It will be interesting to have other opinions on the subject, if you have different points of view thats great. I would also like to hear from the women on this subject as well----VS[/QUOTE]Hey VS,

Thanks for your reply and to everyone. My rule of thumb has been to report most of my meetings in the most detail I can (good and bad) as knowledge is power. I travel every week coast to coast and have the opportunity to sample the local flavor in many, many areas so I was trying to get a feel for asking the girl if she wanted to mentioned, something I could apply in all areas and situations.

In other areas of the forum there have been admonishments to "don't tell the ladies about this forum" but I am of the opinion that if they don't perform (ROB, rushers, scammers, bad attitudes, etc) they will be written about pubilcly. Keeps them accountable and they suffer the decrease in business. Of course, a great girl will also get reported and recieve the benefits of the increased business. Just like in any business.

So I think I will continue reports in manner I have been doing. I have hardly ever asked questions either publicly or via PM as like is always said RTFF. I am really glad to have a discussion like this amongst ourselves and I look forward to others comments.

I think the guides need more updating. I will work on that when I get the chance but here you will find pieces of good advice. Thanks to the contributors and vet's
[QUOTE=VerySlowly]Maybe 5 years ago or so I was riding the north trail. An extremely beautiful woman was walking on the sidewalk just down from the Parliament house. She was wearing a black cocktail dress, stockings and high heels as if she had just left a party in Winter Park.
My first reaction was to warn her about the area of town she was in, so I pulled into a business in front of her and she came to the drivers side window and asked me "Do you want a date" I replied "hop in we'll talk" she said "can I touch you" and I replied " you can do whatever you want, it's a free country". She proceeded to reach in and touch the top of my thigh no where near "MR. Johnson". She then said "what do you want, I don't do anything for under a hundred, do you have a hundred" Remember now, I wanted this woman bad but I know better and I said hop in the car and we'll work something out. She says " I haven't got time for this and walks away.
Now I'm going nuts and I back out and go around the block to try another attempt and.........Just as I got around the block I see her getting in a white crown victoria with tinted windows and an antenna on the back, I almost S**t.
In thinking about it later she used all the classic sting moves,I'm sure there were marked PD's all around me and one wrong word and I would have been surrounded.

LESSON A- She was hot but not dressed provocatively. ( cops cannot entice you with their clothing)
B- She tried to get me to say what I wanted (form of sex)
C- She pretended to touch me but didn't.
D- She tried to get me to agree on a price( If you agree to a price even if you didn't personally offer that price you are still screwed)
E-She tried to put extreme pressure on me but when I wouldn't play she walked which was another form of pressure ( hey I still wanted it and went around the block to try again)
F- I got lucky, who knows if I would have gotten stupid and said something stupid and spent the night in jail , I like to think I wouldn't have but this chick was outstandingly beautiful.
Learn,Learn , Learn and you won't go to jail--VS[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jethrow1]I suggest that anyone who has not done so go and do this now.
Go to the valuable advice and frequently asked questions and go all the way back and read forward, there no that long, will take less time than your arrest would take.

Also read the s/w section.

Read all of them several times until it sinks in. You will hear guys in here say
RTFF, read the fucking forum, the answer to most questions short of do we know someone will be there and some times someone has even reported on her.

At the top right of each thread page there is a search button, use it for specific questions or girls.

Remember anything worth doing is worth doing well.

This is a dangerous hobby with many risks to self, family, friends, jobs and all concerned, so be careful[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NobodyYouKnow]Don't know that the check on her is necessarily to check for a wire - that could be anywhere on her these days - but to show a certain sexual availability without the exchange of cash. I believe the theory is that "feeling each other up" would constitute entrapment if it's actually a sting. The "are you a cop" question is a waste of time. If she is, she'll say no. If she isn't, she'll also say no.

My idea of a cop check requires time and patience. If I see them out at different times, and in different places, and in different states of dishevealment, then I'm reasonably certain they're a SW. But I have time and patience, so it's not a big deal for me. The few times I've encountered a female undercover, I knew immediately. I won't give away my secret, but just think of how a SW looks, dresses, acts and smells. Now think about how a non-street person compares to that.

IMO, the only thing that should be discussed thru a window is "Hey, want a ride?" or other innocent banter designed to get her into your car. The conventional wisdom is that no cop will get into a situation where they're not in control, and decline your invitation for a ride. And if you do happen to stop and talk to an undercover, they'll be curious and ask questions. Decline to answer them, and wish them a safe night and drive away.

I don't know how green a newbie you are, and since I'm just kibitizing here in the Orlando section, I'll leave it to the Orlando folks to give you the low-down on the home field. But my rules are fairly simple, and mostly universal:

0. Do nothing to attract undue attention to yourself or your vehicle. Drive in a consistant manner and obey the rules of the road. Have your DL, registration and proof of insurance handy. In fact, if you drive an utterly boring beige station wagon, that would be great.

1. [b]Always[/b] scope out the area first. You're looking for Uncle Leo's presence, and you game plan accordingly. If there's heavy presence - a shooting or other violent act brings them out - you'll probably want to cancel, or relocate to another area. If it's a light presence, good hunting! If it's moderate, excercise due caution.

2. Less hard and fast rule is that when I see my third cop car, then it's time to pack it in and go home. Of course, my home stroll is considerably smaller than OBT, so adjust accordingly. I always assume that if I see them, they see me and make note of it, and come to the conclusion that I'm out on the prowl if they see me often enough.

3. Develop your spidey sense and learn to listen to it. If a certain chick doesn't look right, or if you get her in your car and it doesn't seem right, or there's too much drama or whatever, let her out.

4. Getting her out can be harder than getting her in. There are ways of getting them out, some more fraught with danger than others, but that's something you need to work out to your own comfort level.

5. Repeat after me: I ain't a damn taxi. She may want to go to several places, and have you drive her. Tell her that she gets one drop-off, and that's it.

6. It is always better to go home empty handed than to end up in a difficult situation. And some nights you [b]will[/b] go home empty handed. 'tis the nature of the beast.

7. Be paranoid. If you think that car behind you is following you, maybe it is. Make a couple of turns to see if that's true. If it isn't, you've eased your mind. If it is, then you can game plan accordingly. And it might be Uncle Leo. Or another monger waiting his chance, hoping that it's sooner than later.

8. Don't get talked into doing something that seems to be a bad idea. When in doubt, consult items 0, 2, 6, and 7.

9. When in doubt, you need to stay safe.

Please note that I'm sure there are other rules that I've expounded upon in other posts that I've mis-remembered.[/QUOTE]
References:
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=608910#post608910[/url]

This forum came to life after being comatose for months! YEA!

At the risk of repeating myself... Here are 13 rules I have compiled out of my positive (and lame) experiences mongering on the streets. My apologies to senior members who have seen them before. A request to newbies: PLEASE tell us of omitted rules which would have helped you avoid being ripped off or busted! Newbies teach us all of "cracks" out there we might fall into...

Here are my 13 rules:

[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=595181&postcount=639[/url]

Giani

Viagra and Valtrex, both blue, coincidence?

Idle minds will wander!

Guy

Providers and Hobbyists, I have a scenario I would like to run past you and tell me what you think. The reason for this scenario of mine is that I am tired of not getting the time and services I request from the providers after the initial agreement. Please keep in mind I mean no harm by this, just planting a seed at the beginning of the session.

I walk into the room, we exchange pleasantries, and as I am getting more comfortable I say, "Oh shit, I forgot to leave my pistol in the car. I'll just stick it in my boot".

That is all I say unless she presses the issue. The pistol does not have to be loaded so to avoid the possibility of her having me in an uncompromising position at my most vulnerable moments. My question is, do you think the provider would be intimidated enough not to try any shady business knowing she could face a potential problem if she does? I do realize one possibility is that she would ask me to go back to my car to ditch the piece and come back, but hopefully by than we will both be naked and she would see I am a nice guy and only there for a good time and just say Fuck it. Again if she presses the issue, I would than have to decide if she is worth the walk back to my car. At least I will get a peak of her goods and a sense of her attitude before anything is exchanged. Many a time the girl in person is not the one in the photo but I proceed anyway, at least I could reconsider based on the first impression she gave me and have the option of leaving without incurring the loss. I usually have a back-up ready to go due to being stood up after driving out to the location.

My weakness is the variety of it all, and with that you run one of the many risks including upselling and clockwatching. I am just trying to have an edge on getting what I request so I can at least enjoy the reason for taking all the risks. Please let me know what you think.

[QUOTE=Torlando]Providers and Hobbyists, I have a scenario I would like to run past you and tell me what you think. The reason for this scenario of mine is that I am tired of not getting the time and services I request from the providers after the initial agreement. Please keep in mind I mean no harm by this, just planting a seed at the beginning of the session.

I walk into the room, we exchange pleasantries, and as I am getting more comfortable I say, "Oh shit, I forgot to leave my pistol in the car. I'll just stick it in my boot".

That is all I say unless she presses the issue. The pistol does not have to be loaded so to avoid the possibility of her having me in an uncompromising position at my most vulnerable moments. My question is, do you think the provider would be intimidated enough not to try any shady business knowing she could face a potential problem if she does? I do realize one possibility is that she would ask me to go back to my car to ditch the piece and come back, but hopefully by than we will both be naked and she would see I am a nice guy and only there for a good time and just say Fuck it. Again if she presses the issue, I would than have to decide if she is worth the walk back to my car. At least I will get a peak of her goods and a sense of her attitude before anything is exchanged. Many a time the girl in person is not the one in the photo but I proceed anyway, at least I could reconsider based on the first impression she gave me and have the option of leaving without incurring the loss. I usually have a back-up ready to go due to being stood up after driving out to the location.

My weakness is the variety of it all, and with that you run one of the many risks including upselling and clockwatching. I am just trying to have an edge on getting what I request so I can at least enjoy the reason for taking all the risks. Please let me know what you think.[/QUOTE]Torlando,

I cannot describe the many, many ways in which this is a horrible idea. It could lead to you getting arrested, beat up, or God forbid, killed. We all hate upselling and clockwatching, but this is not the answer. Just make a note, tell others via reviews, and don't visit her again.

Again, just please don't do this.

- Wlord

[QUOTE=Torlando]Providers and Hobbyists, I have a scenario I would like to run past you and tell me what you think. The reason for this scenario of mine is that I am tired of not getting the time and services I request from the providers after the initial agreement. Please keep in mind I mean no harm by this, just planting a seed at the beginning of the session.

I walk into the room, we exchange pleasantries, and as I am getting more comfortable I say, "Oh shit, I forgot to leave my pistol in the car. I'll just stick it in my boot".

That is all I say unless she presses the issue. The pistol does not have to be loaded so to avoid the possibility of her having me in an uncompromising position at my most vulnerable moments. My question is, do you think the provider would be intimidated enough not to try any shady business knowing she could face a potential problem if she does? I do realize one possibility is that she would ask me to go back to my car to ditch the piece and come back, but hopefully by than we will both be naked and she would see I am a nice guy and only there for a good time and just say Fuck it. Again if she presses the issue, I would than have to decide if she is worth the walk back to my car. At least I will get a peak of her goods and a sense of her attitude before anything is exchanged. Many a time the girl in person is not the one in the photo but I proceed anyway, at least I could reconsider based on the first impression she gave me and have the option of leaving without incurring the loss. I usually have a back-up ready to go due to being stood up after driving out to the location.

My weakness is the variety of it all, and with that you run one of the many risks including upselling and clockwatching. I am just trying to have an edge on getting what I request so I can at least enjoy the reason for taking all the risks. Please let me know what you think.[/QUOTE]If you tell the girl you have a pistol, loaded or not. You are opening the door for a number of issues. She may grab the gun and try to use it, steal it, or hand it off to someone else if she gets the chance. I would have to say that this is not a smart move. There is a lot of reason this could go wrong. Plus, in flordia by you having a gun. She has a get out of free jail card if she wanted to attack or kill you. She can claim that you tried to attack, rob, or rape her. You have the wepon so the law works againt you and for her.

[QUOTE=Torlando]Providers and Hobbyists, I have a scenario I would like to run past you and tell me what you think. The reason for this scenario of mine is that I am tired of not getting the time and services I request from the providers after the initial agreement. Please keep in mind I mean no harm by this, just planting a seed at the beginning of the session.

I walk into the room, we exchange pleasantries, and as I am getting more comfortable I say, "Oh shit, I forgot to leave my pistol in the car. I'll just stick it in my boot".

That is all I say unless she presses the issue. The pistol does not have to be loaded so to avoid the possibility of her having me in an uncompromising position at my most vulnerable moments. My question is, do you think the provider would be intimidated enough not to try any shady business knowing she could face a potential problem if she does? I do realize one possibility is that she would ask me to go back to my car to ditch the piece and come back, but hopefully by than we will both be naked and she would see I am a nice guy and only there for a good time and just say Fuck it. Again if she presses the issue, I would than have to decide if she is worth the walk back to my car. At least I will get a peak of her goods and a sense of her attitude before anything is exchanged. Many a time the girl in person is not the one in the photo but I proceed anyway, at least I could reconsider based on the first impression she gave me and have the option of leaving without incurring the loss. I usually have a back-up ready to go due to being stood up after driving out to the location.

My weakness is the variety of it all, and with that you run one of the many risks including upselling and clockwatching. I am just trying to have an edge on getting what I request so I can at least enjoy the reason for taking all the risks. Please let me know what you think.[/QUOTE]

I think your gun plan would scare the girl so much that she wouldn't give you the type of service you are looking for. Unless you are into master/slave scene.

If you are using CL and Eros and getting burned than I suggest you check girls for reviews. Also look for a more professional class of girl.

I don't know what you girls you are meeting up with, but you may be getting attitude and poor performance by meeting with girls who post 250 an hr and you make a deal with them for less. They may feel like you should get quick service for the price you are paying.

I always look for reviews and haven't had any problems with my dreams because I do research before hand.

It sounds like you like variety like I do. Maybe you may have to not take on so many newly posted ladies and go with the ones who have long historys of reviews. You still get variety.

I understand their are many who come and go that are so tempting you have to jump on them.

That's a 50/50 shot if they don't have reviews. You may just have an unlucky streak happening because most the fresh fish I have sampled have treated me well. I treat them how I want to be treated from start to finish and I have had most treat me back the same way.

Good Luck,
BC

I think you're playing with fire there....I would tend to think this would freak out the provider and really see no upside to it. If it's a legit provider she's probably going to be very distracted for your session, and if it's a rip off situation your bringing a gun to the party may make it much worse.

But re-reading your question it looks like your primary complaint is not a rip off but receiving the full time or promised services....so what are you going to do if she trys to end early? Pull out the gun? That's insane!

But I also tend to avoid any "iffy" situations and stick to well known or well reviewed providers - so I never enter a place I don't know folks have come out of with a good experience. I think you're inviting a lot of trouble and validating LEO's assertion that prostitution increases crime...just my 2 cents.

No, I would never draw the weapon unless I felt my life was threatened and I intended on using it and that goes for anywhere at anytime. Since I carry and have in most of my sessions, all I wanted to do was make it known I carry, not even show it (that alone is a felony). You see, by getting ripped off by the ladies, I associate it to being robbed by a common thug. I was thinking that the mere fact she knows I have it may dissuade her from trying to cut the session short, or the infamous "I don't get on top" or "no, I don't do doggy style" and leave me disappointed and out my hard earned. I think having a detailed conversation ahead of time of what positions are acceptable and which aren't is ridiculous. I also think going into the session with a kitchen timer is also quite absurd. I never create an unpleasant environment for the ladies, if they are clockwatchers or upsellers, it's all them. Over the past 6 months I have met on average 6 new friends monthly. Being I like variety and the new kid on the block, I am susceptible to being ripped off (amongst other things). But the variety is the reason I play the game.

Off the top of my head three girls have left the worst impressions on me and I left the session wishing I did more. Remy, Madi, and Ivette. Of the three I dreamt only Madi, finished the job but only after begging her to, making it for an unpleasant time nonetheless. There were more I just forget their names. There was another I actually did something about it. She is an Incall in the Lake Mary area, she took my $$ and when I attempted physical contact she said "I don't do that for $$, only a massage". Now, here I am naked and basically pleading for it. She has my donation, and refusing service. I asked for it back, being the session was only 5 minutes into it. She refused so I said, to myself it was time to get out of there. On the way out, I snatched her cell phone off the dresser and told her for $$ I would give it back. I had one foot out the door and she ran over to me and gave me back my donation. Of course she got her phone back. Did I want her phone? No, but I figured she might and I was correct. I left there more satisfied than if the session would have went forward after me begging for it. In any case, I want what I pay for and expect no less. I never would draw the weapon unless I felt my life was threatened. I carry it mostly everywhere I go and I am disciplined. The difference in this case, she would know I have it on me and may save the shenanigans for the next patron.

As for the type of girls I see, that probably is part of the problem but that should not be. I seek out the new blood at $ for half or $. 5 for the whole. I don’t bargain or look to cut deals. I browse for the girls that are in my spending budget. If I changed my technique and seen only two girls a month but there were EROS providers at $$$. 5 an hour are you saying that wouldn’t happen? If it did, and the stakes where that much higher, and I was on the verge of losing that much loot, than I might just snap. I could see me leaving the room with her luggage under my arm! So, I play at the five dollar table instead of the high stakes tables. But does that mean I should be taken advantage of? I don’t think so, the rules of the game shouldn’t change just because the price does.

So, in retrospect, I wouldn’t draw the weapon. I would merely let her know I have it on me. My thought process is, by doing so may cut down the possibility of being taken advantage of. My question to all of you, do you think my thought process is correct or incorrect?

[QUOTE=TravelingVoye] But re-reading your question it looks like your primary complaint is not a rip off but receiving the full time or promised services....so what are you going to do if she trys to end early? Pull out the gun? That's insane![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Torlando]Providers and Hobbyists, I have a scenario I would like to run past you and tell me what you think. The reason for this scenario of mine is that I am tired of not getting the time and services I request from the providers after the initial agreement. Please keep in mind I mean no harm by this, just planting a seed at the beginning of the session.

I walk into the room, we exchange pleasantries, and as I am getting more comfortable I say, "Oh shit, I forgot to leave my pistol in the car. I'll just stick it in my boot".

That is all I say unless she presses the issue. The pistol does not have to be loaded so to avoid the possibility of her having me in an uncompromising position at my most vulnerable moments. My question is, do you think the provider would be intimidated enough not to try any shady business knowing she could face a potential problem if she does? I do realize one possibility is that she would ask me to go back to my car to ditch the piece and come back, but hopefully by than we will both be naked and she would see I am a nice guy and only there for a good time and just say Fuck it. Again if she presses the issue, I would than have to decide if she is worth the walk back to my car. At least I will get a peak of her goods and a sense of her attitude before anything is exchanged. Many a time the girl in person is not the one in the photo but I proceed anyway, at least I could reconsider based on the first impression she gave me and have the option of leaving without incurring the loss. I usually have a back-up ready to go due to being stood up after driving out to the location.

My weakness is the variety of it all, and with that you run one of the many risks including upselling and clockwatching. I am just trying to have an edge on getting what I request so I can at least enjoy the reason for taking all the risks. Please let me know what you think.[/QUOTE]I think you are asking for a lot of trouble. There will be an astute provider that will call the police as soon as you are gone and claim you raped her at gunpoint. She will have all the evidence. In any case, I imagine your choice of providers will diminish real fast. Word does get around. I've heard of guys doing some stupid things, but your idea is bone-headed.

I would be very scared and have a hard time relaxing. I have had men that visit that have advised me before they arrived that they professionally carry and asked if I had a problem with it. I am more comfortable with it being in the car. How would you feel if the tables were flipped? You would freak out. Tell them you are a bodyguard or something to that effect and they will know that you do not play games.

[QUOTE=Torlando]Providers and Hobbyists, I have a scenario I would like to run past you and tell me what you think. The reason for this scenario of mine is that I am tired of not getting the time and services I request from the providers after the initial agreement. Please keep in mind I mean no harm by this, just planting a seed at the beginning of the session.

I walk into the room, we exchange pleasantries, and as I am getting more comfortable I say, "Oh shit, I forgot to leave my pistol in the car. I'll just stick it in my boot".

That is all I say unless she presses the issue. The pistol does not have to be loaded so to avoid the possibility of her having me in an uncompromising position at my most vulnerable moments. My question is, do you think the provider would be intimidated enough not to try any shady business knowing she could face a potential problem if she does? I do realize one possibility is that she would ask me to go back to my car to ditch the piece and come back, but hopefully by than we will both be naked and she would see I am a nice guy and only there for a good time and just say Fuck it. Again if she presses the issue, I would than have to decide if she is worth the walk back to my car. At least I will get a peak of her goods and a sense of her attitude before anything is exchanged. Many a time the girl in person is not the one in the photo but I proceed anyway, at least I could reconsider based on the first impression she gave me and have the option of leaving without incurring the loss. I usually have a back-up ready to go due to being stood up after driving out to the location.

My weakness is the variety of it all, and with that you run one of the many risks including upselling and clockwatching. I am just trying to have an edge on getting what I request so I can at least enjoy the reason for taking all the risks. Please let me know what you think.[/QUOTE]Here is another what if, what if the new lady you are seeing turns out to be a cop, instead of being busted for a minor solicitation charge, you add a concealed weapon charge (if no permit exists) which makes it a felony charge.