VIP / VIP2 & the lowlife coward responsible for driving them out of SD
First & foremost: One would assume / hope, that the Admin / moderator's who spend their valuable time policing this forum, are hobbyists to some degree in their own right. I only say this, because hopefully one of them is an AMP hobbyist and can hopefully relate and empathize with what we hobbyist have lost here!? All I'm asking for, is hopefully a little empathy / fairness, for everything that has transpired here in this AMP sub-forum and on the outside, these past few months, driving VIP / VIP2 out of business and out of San Diego.
[QUOTE=PenguinsAndieg;5997428]Can someone explain WTF is going on? Up until about 2 months ago I avoided AMPs until all this NLBC talk had me curious. Pretty sure I left with a small crush on Mina after my second visit there. For the next week or so I couldn't stop fantasizing about her smile. I Was also really looking forward to having some time with Yoona after briefly meeting her in passing.
Are you saying the arrest report someone posted about is true? Even worse, are you saying someone on this forum helped orchestrate the sting and shut them down for good?
I may be oblivious (or just plain dumbass) because I haven't been able to figure out all these shill accounts that get paid. Like RCDK mentioned earlier, there's a well established core of reliable posters that I usually scan for. If I don't see their name I tend to skip over.
Stay safe gents and happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Please read JuvyNiled (post #433), he pretty much nailed it in his spot on assessment.
And FWIW, you and me both (regarding VIP / Mina), brother! This is exactly what we're saying happened and went down! The AAMP's and this 1 shill with all of his untold countless multiple USA shill accounts (I'd be willing to guesstiimate around 20+ currently, and counting), working in concert here, to accomplish their objective. And what they did here, and what they did on the outside (terrorizing these girls), is f-ing disgusting and needs to be dealt with. Or this is what they will continue to do anytime there is any new competition here taking away business revenue away from them. The fact that there are so many member's here, who actually feed into this 1 pathetic asshole / coward, and what he's doing / done, is quite astounding!
The bottom line: Nobody, & I repeat, NOBODY, here in San Diego, (AMP or AAMP), could compete with the level of service that VIP / VIP 2 was providing to us hobbyist, and the lost revenue was hitting them in their pocket books big time, so they resorted to both sabotage and vandalism and attacked them in every way possible until they finally succeeded in driving them out of town.
The disgusting low level (criminal terror) this thug stooped to, driving VIP out of town. And cost us hobbyist (some of us) some of the most amazing times we've ever experienced (and that includes independents and travelling abroad for me anyway).
So what did this lowlife COWARD POS do? He went out not once, but twice (in the early morning am All masked up dressed in black) around 2-3 am And armed with a pipe, and smashed in the big front window and front door, terrorizing the 3 girls as they were sleeping in their front quarters, less than 10 feet away. This happened on 2 different nights and cost the VIP owner's over $2 k to repair the damages. I've watched both videos many times. And when you think about Mina, and Lisa, and Cici. And all the other girls, who had to work / live in fear, for what, giving us the most amazing service (threesomes) many of us have ever experienced!? And that's not mentioning all of the calls / letters to the LEO / Social Services / Fed's forcing them to do their welfare checks to investigate the human sexual trafficking / underage girls constantly being anonymously reported.
I can tell you this: These girls at VIP read everything here, & they really appreciated the support / wonderful reviews, but despised this 1 A-hole (Dude / Ryan / Jizalot and Jaguar-all 1 in the same) just to name a few of his countless USA accounts. Go back to December of 21 and read these guys posts and connect the dots. It's crystal clear his M. O. And what his objective was. Thinking he's being overly clever; but he's clearly not. He started with 108 when they were getting popular and monopolizing all the business / reviews here, saying they were unsafe and all the traffic would get them busted (did everything towards 108 until VIP took this hobby to the next level providing most insane service we've ever seen in San Diego County. Which took 108 off his cross hairs.
[QUOTE=MrMuffMan;5997624]OK, I suppose it's time for me to clear some of this up. Pennguin, NLBC has been sold once again and that is why it is closed. The police did pay a visit on Tues. 6/21, but they did not "shut it down". As a matter of fact they continued operating until Sat 6/25, when an offer was accepted for the sale. I believe they will be reopening soon but with all new talent. The girls we all know and love who used to work there (Kiki, Yuna, Mina, Lisa, Daisy, Amber etc.), will sadly no longer be available to us mongers here in SD (although The MuffMan will still be able to see some of them, Lucky me) Sorry guys, you can thank some of your fellow SD mongers for "running them out of town". If anything ever changes in the future, I will let you know.
PoonTang is correct. There has been an organized "coup", (I know that's the incorrect use of the term, but sounds about right for this for some reason), to destroy them and run them out of town. A certain monger on this board (who does have many handles) has been conspiring with, let's just say their competition, to try to ruin them. There have been criminal acts committed, as well as false accusations leveled against them with the authorities. This "monger" has been very sloppy however. I've seen the surveillance footage that PoonTang has eluded to as well. We not only have a face, we now have a positive identification and a name. I'm sure he's reading this, and will probably send me another PM from one of his other handles "fishing" for info, like he did last time I brought some of this up. I'm not going to use the "retribution" rhetoric, like PoonTang did. I would prefer to say we're looking at all legal and ethical avenues, as like I mentioned, criminal acts were committed, and work with the authorities to bring this person to justice.
Mr MuffMan.[/QUOTE]Many of us here, lost one of the most amazing, mind blowing fantasy hot Disneyland we've ever experienced. And I lived in S / E Asia for 2+ years.
Whatever I may, or may not do, will be on the up and up. I want to make that perfectly clear! I wouldn't dare ever behave in the low life despicable criminal manner, this pathetic coward did. And that's exactly what this person I've seen on camera is: A fat truck tire for a waistline, ugly gray haired POS COWARD. Who's not a Doctor in real life, but he plays one here on the internet. And all that fine dining this person has to do with with the ladies to get laid. It's no wonder, he's got to pay for sex and shill for Cris. And SDAG. None of these girls would ever agree to see him, othewise!
[QUOTE=RChangDatyKing;5998716]Mr. Muffman and PTJohnny- thank you both for posting current and accurate information regarding VIP / NLBC. I too was a fan of Mina and all the VIP / NLBC girls and hate to see them go. Yes, please keep us all updated if Mina returns.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dwykz619;5998720]With all the BS happening with NLBC / VIP, I found it disturbing that "fellow" (and I use that term loosly) mongers have caused them to leave town. I have my suspicions as well, but it was fairly obvious from recommendations and they way you would stroke your own ego with multiple handles and such. But I digress.
I may not report too often, but I'm fairly new to the board, and have used this resource and offered my own experience and insight to help others if asked. That ended when my info was offered and caused the end of a great long term relationship I had with an escort that was built from 2008. Unless it's a mutual acquaintence, my info is for my eyes only. You're going to have to earn it or TOFTT.
But Like I said. It may not matter to some of you guys. Just know the ones I have contacted, know you are appreciated and I salute you guys who make it safe for all of us.
For those guys who caused this, "Karma's a *****". And she will piss and shit all your house and grave. Unless you're into that sort of thing.[/QUOTE]FWIW: If I seen passionate and angry over what went down and what these innocent girls were put through; it's because I am! I've received many PM's from a few of the really awesome "nice reputable trusted guys" here, and I've exchanged a lot of Intel with these member's, helping them and providing them with contact information / intel with these girls / VIP / VIP2 to try and help them along. I don't need anybody's approval / validation here, these girls know who I am & when they came into town and arrived on the scene, I was a loyal customer and they became my only go to action in town.
And I was greatly rewarded of my loyalty, with perks! I'm sure not too many other guys got to enjoy; the unicorn type services. As well as the on about half a dozen different occasions, when VIP2 was under supposedly under renovation (NEWS ALERT: THEY WERE'NT).
I was given Carte Blanche VIP2 privileges and would have the entire place to myself along with 2 girls who would make the drive over from VIP in SV around 11 p,m. And 2 other times when Cici over there alone and met me. Complete with candles, champagne and music.
So fuck yeah, if I'm feeling "pretty mother fucking far from ok" at the moment- It's because I am! We will never, ever, get this level of VIP Disneyland service back.
And anyone who really got to know some of these girls- they were true genuine sweethearts, and very kind heart-ed people.
What I will say is this, (I'm only pontificating hypothetical's here): It would be very easy (much easier than the ugly criminal tactics used against an AMP / VIP), to disrupt an illegal business operation (prostitution) in a residential community (condominium / town-homes), taking place right next door to families / children, governed by HOA's / Office management,. It really wouldn't take much for neighbors to start taking notice, with all the foot traffic coming and going along with the ads and reviews documenting everything. Especially if someone was on the inside and privy to highly protected information. I know for a fact, that Cris, and that agency that uses 4 letter's, operate, is such places.
FWIW: I'm now, a level 3 HX member.
Cheers LOL.
RE: It is Okay to Support Your Team. So Long As It Is The Truth
[QUOTE=MaximusKahn;6029012]I can't speak for others but I seem to be attracted to, and find, the spas and women who don't want me to tell our secrets. I'm very much into UTR action.
I'm also anonymous at the spas and on this site, and have never been asked to post.
IMHO, any "report" or post that is a first hand experience and genuine I can appreciate.
It is easy to suspect any report that is grossly over the top to be a shill. For that matter any report that is leaning towards warning others about something is equally suspicious. A monger can give an honest poor report with out making it sound like a warning.
We can all apply the "YMWV" lenses to a report we read and make our own judgment as to it's validity.
Many Mongers are known by the girls by name and by their handle here, thus also making me suspicious of their motives and intent. But even if a monger knows the girls, spa owners, mms, they can still give a honest positive report that is useful. So long as it is first hand knowledge by their own experience.
One style of report that always makes me laugh are the guys who tell us where where they "plan" to go, or praise the places they have to check out, and never follow up. Or the ones who toss out a lot of names and say any one will make you happy without giving personal details of their own experiences with them. These guys are clearly shilling for a thrilling in some way.
They also tend to be the piggy back posters, who reinforce what other post. Or parrot back what others have said adding nothing new.
If someone knows the girls personally, reports positively and gets a little back, I'm okay with that so long as the report is honest.
And so long as they don't keep flooding the site with repeats, piggy back, or parrot posts.[/QUOTE]I mostly agree with this. I would say I was a shill for VIP and NLBC, I'll admit it. My definition of a shill is someone promoting a certain business or product. But I never got anything for free, or was paid, or anything like that. I'm simply good friends with one of the owners, so I tried to help by promoting their product. Every review I did though was firsthand, 100% honest and all those girls were absolutely incredible! Many many senior members here will back me up on this, as they too had amazing experiences with these girls. I would also receive many PM's from newer mongers, thanking me for my recommendations, and telling me how they had such an incredible experience with one of the girls. So, the way I see it, I was helping out both the girls and our monger community, it was a win / win situation.
What I never do though is discourage mongers from going to other spas. And that's where I have a real problem. There are a couple mongers here (well one I guess is no longer here, although he's already resurfacing with new handles. And we all know who the other one is and his 10+ handles. And yes, IMO, it's TWO different people), who literally would say things like, if you go to VIP in Spring Valley, you risk being mugged or getting arrested. What the hell is that? And one of these "mongers" conspired with the "competition" to commit criminal acts and leveled false accusations against them with the authorities (we have proof of this). So yeah, that's kinda where I draw the line.
Mr MuffMan.
You might want to take a step back and chill bro.
[QUOTE=PoonTangJohnny;6032089] The bottom line: Nobody, & I repeat, NOBODY, here in San Diego, (AMP or AAMP), could compete with the level of service that VIP / VIP 2 was providing to us hobbyist, and the lost revenue was hitting them in their pocket books big time, so they resorted to both sabotage and vandalism and attacked them in every way possible until they finally succeeded in driving them out of town. [/QUOTE]For the right price, yeah. You can find way better services in San Diego. That's the beauty of hobby; The never ending unicorn hunt. Never say never in this field man. That's the dumbest shit you can actually say to veteran hobbyists LOL.
But seriously though bro, don't you dare worry about their money. It's probably the least thing you need to actually worry about.
[QUOTE=PoonTangJohnny;6032089] But despised this 1 A-hole (Dude / Ryan / Jizalot and Jaguar-all 1 in the same) [/QUOTE]Regardless of how direct and straightforward Ryan writes, I highly doubt Ryan had any malicious intent toward VIP? What the fuck is this accusation? He seems to be the most stable person I've seen on this forum so far, who isn't fully swung by emotions when writing reports / posts.
[QUOTE=PoonTangJohnny;6032089]And I was greatly rewarded of my loyalty, with perks! I'm sure not too many other guys got to enjoy; the unicorn type services. As well as the on about half a dozen different occasions, when VIP2 was under supposedly under renovation (NEWS ALERT: THEY WERE'NT).
I was given Carte Blanche VIP2 privileges and would have the entire place to myself along with 2 girls who would make the drive over from VIP in SV around 11 p,m. And 2 other times when Cici over there alone and met me. Complete with candles, champagne and music.
So fuck yeah, if I'm feeling "pretty mother fucking far from ok" at the moment- It's because I am! We will never, ever, get this level of VIP Disneyland service back.[/QUOTE]I mean, Can you not hear what you are saying? You're literally obsessed and completely biased. Step back and chill bro. You are literally going through some heavy withdrawal shit man.
We were the clients, they were the awesome providers. We all had good times with them but things have changed. Some of you might still be banging the infamous girls personally on the side, but seriously, who cares??
Show is over, why do we need to still talk about this dead business on the forum and get fucking mad about it? If they resurface, nice! Do let us know! If they don't, that's fine too. But let's not talk like we have some weird ass obligations to end this aggression. Let them handle their business, don't be their pawns.
Lots of Real Contributors
[QUOTE=SDJaziKing;6033098]Like, how did you guys even notice all this? Just by doing a simple math, I come to an only conclusion; we have insanely few 'real' members who actually contribute on the forums. It's pretty fucking sad actually.[/QUOTE]Actually, there are lots of real and contributing members but you just need to know who they are and find those with your similar tastes and avoid the clone accounts.
I don't think the judgement is out on you yet. Your very first reviews was for a poor AAMP group and you mentioned you are a longtime lurker who recreated an account to post about Cris. Some may say you created the "clone" account to boost her business with your reviews for her group.
Thank you guys for speaking up!
To all of you member's quoted below: I just wanted to express my sincerest thanks / gratitude, for all of you speaking up here. We hobbyist's, lost a very wonderful group of girls (VIP) and the dynamic services and a level of excitement, that just doesn't come along very often. We who were lucky enough to enjoy and experience this ride for ourselves. WE KNOW, what a hot fantasy ride this was, and more importantly, what we lost, needlessly!
This should, never be allowed to happen again. I'm pissed, and I won't be taking a step back! It's just not how I was raised (core values) and who I am. I'm old school- I much more prefer discussing things / issues, man to man. But unfortunately, we live in the day of the internet, and cowards. Where people like this, shill / competition, can do pretty much whatever they want, with anonymity. Until they blow their cover that is. Which is exactly what this person did, when he went to VIP2 casing their joint out. It's all on video, and he wasn't wearing a mask this time, like the 2 late nights of terror when he smashed in the front window / door at VIP SV. As the girls were sleeping literally within a few feet away.
I want thank you guys, for showing compassion, in regards to what the sweet girls (innocent victims) were put through, and most of all, didn't deserve. This was 100% done by a competition! This was vindictive and pure evil.
[QUOTE=JuvyNiled;6031111]I know you guys probably think these are just overzealous supporters, but you should guy be aware that this forum is frequented very often by bookers and pimps. As I have stated to others privately, I will say it here now. I'm pretty certain that was a booker or someone affiliated with management. They have a strong incentive to get you to check out their business, and at some point it started becoming really unethical.
They didn't put up reports for their more popular members for obvious reasons. The reports would always come for usually newer girls or girls whose business was likely slowly down. And this would be okay to do in my opinion. If they were accurate reports. But they weren't. All the girls did not look like their pictures, and they would always say, "we don't post real pictures to protect their identities". Yeah okay that's great, but they LITERALLY look nothing like the picture that was posted.
And the excessive amount of name changes for some girls. You guys are aware of why they do this right? If a girl has a bad rep or is simply not getting enough business, they keep rebranding the girl. And then they try to package the shit back to us as if we don't know any better. That's not good. If the girls don't look as good or don't provide good service, they should be punished with fewer customers until they do better.
Does Petra need a name change? No. Does Ash need a name change? No. Even Tatum, does she need a name change? No, because they either provide good service, look good, or both.
And then there were rumors that might have been true that this person was sabotaging operations at NLBC and VIP to promote Cris's girls. And that group literally sucks but they keep getting glowing reports here, even though the reports on TER are mediocre for the price.
This is all bad for mongers. It's very bad business.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SirBishop;6024451]I was told to stop "arguing" with those clones or I would be moderated. And that was the first month one of the clones appeared on the board. First question that hit me when I saw the notice of the removal, "how do you know which clone he is"? What I do know about websites is this. Every time you visit a site, your IP address, Device Name, User name, etc are captured in a log. What the public can't see in a post is the IP Address of the poster. Doesn't take much to gather data on the IP Address and associate it with a User then check the email address of that user. That's all part of the backend of this system. Easy to track people.
Now that I wake up every morning to bacon and can't but wonder of these admins are going to start researching and see if these new clones go back to a dude. Geolocation will certainly help them. No, this is not over by a long shot.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RolfTorren;6022968]Agreed. That Dude and his many clones effectively poisoned honest discussion here with self-serving disinformation. I'm now "moderated" because I dared to question the integrity of one such clone. So be it. Sure, we can all "just get along" so long as we all play fair. I think it was allowed tonfester for far too long. And its not over yet by a long shot.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JuvyNiled;6022942]That's great and all, but this former member was divisive as hell. Anytime anyone made an honest negative remark about the girls he represented, he would lash out at them. And not only that, they used to post negative reviews here and on TER until they got called out for it. And then he would create mediocre but slightly positive reviews for girls from non-SDAG or Cris's Crap group to make it seem like he was impartial. He would always make glowing review for girls that were CLEARLY not good and likely not getting enough bookings. If you can't understand that person's intentions now, then you're very naive.
This behavior is unacceptable. And the number of alternate accounts posting reviews and shilling the original ad is overwhelming. I am confident there are still several accounts that are tied to them simply based on the content. No one else is posting any kind of crap in favor of any the masseuses at Cris's group, because they are overpriced and not good to look at.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TrustyHairlip;6021767]I think the purpose of this forum is to provide accurate information and to be helpful to fellow mongers. It is not helpful when someone is being paid (paid in free service, or kickback or whatever) to post false reports in an attempt to increase business to a specific girl or group. Or, to do the opposite, and talk shit about a girl / organization in an attempt to hurt their business.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tijuaniko;6014123]Hello gentlemen. I'd like to start by saying that I very much appreciate this forum and the community that has grown around it. Here, we've been afforded an opportunity to seek out those things we are interested in and even to experience those others that perhaps we were never aware existed or could be of interest to us. I am grateful for the knowledge, experience, and anecdotes that are shared here and which have been very helpful in making my efforts more fruitful. Many of you already know that I am more than happy to share my own experiences when my time permits. Having said all that, I may now be risking taking a stance that may prove unpopular with some. That is, I don't fucking care who gets what for free, who pays less for what, or whether my mileage varies. It's part of the game we play and I am not troubled that others are more astute at receiving the aforementioned gifts from the phenomenal women we all seek. If anything, God bless them for getting freebies and gimmies. Not a single one of us would decline such an offer in exchange for a review that is honest but favorable. All I propose is that we take this forum for what it is, an opportunity to share and build community. If some members want to spend hours debating, arguing, and spewing hateful rhetoric then I will simply ignore it and mine the information that is useful for me from their comments. Believe me, I have never had a bad experience with any of the ladies or places that have been shared here favorably before. So who gives a shit what the transactional component of the arrangement was between a member and a provider? Please, just focus on the purpose of this forum and put suppositions and jealousy aside. Let's just get along and hope that we continue to be as fortunate through our shared information as we all have been already. Thanks for reading.[/QUOTE]
