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[QUOTE=TwistedBrother; 1296707]Am guessing this is related to one of those "other" sites?
[url]http://www.freep.com/article/20111013/NEWS07/111013061/Feds-Prostitution-ring-set-up-sex-parties-gave-goodie-bags-best-services-awards?odyssey=tab[/url]
|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE[/QUOTE]Its actually 3 of the local sites (one that closed down 3 or 4 years ago).
Bad days ahead for those guys.
[QUOTE=TwistedBrother; 1296707]Am guessing this is related to one of those "other" sites?
[url]http://www.freep.com/article/20111013/NEWS07/111013061/Feds-Prostitution-ring-set-up-sex-parties-gave-goodie-bags-best-services-awards?odyssey=tab[/url]
|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE[/QUOTE]This sounds like an AES party from earlier this year. I had heard they held a raffle for services.
Wonder if the other ops are off in hiding now because of this.
[QUOTE=Eq Twink; 1296721]This sounds like an AES party from earlier this year. I had heard they held a raffle for services.
Wonder if the other ops are off in hiding now because of this.[/QUOTE]It sounds more like they are taking down all the Michigan boards, past and present. It is probably safe to say that the 2 that were released on bond have turned against the 3rd since he is being held without a bond until Nov 14th.
[QUOTE=Eq Twink; 1296721]This sounds like an AES party from earlier this year. I had heard they held a raffle for services.
Wonder if the other ops are off in hiding now because of this.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=John Wise;1296823]This is not going to be good.[/QUOTE]This is the scary part according to the Detroit News:
At a party through the AES site held June 22 at Fairlane Bowl, $10 gift bags were handed out with chocolates; gold, black or green tickets; and underwear belonging to the "service providers," the affidavit read.
The colored tickets designated free one-hour or 30 minutes appointments with the providers.
Informants, e-mails, PayPal accounts and other records led authorities to the suspects, who were under surveillance.
The case was investigated by the FBI and the Southeast Michigan Crimes Against Children Task Force.
[QUOTE=John Wise;1296823]This is not going to be good.[/QUOTE]Look for alot of new ads on backpage now that the two boards are gone.
[QUOTE=TwistedBrother; 1296707]Am guessing this is related to one of those "other" sites?
[url]http://www.freep.com/article/20111013/NEWS07/111013061/Feds-Prostitution-ring-set-up-sex-parties-gave-goodie-bags-best-services-awards?odyssey=tab[/url]
|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE[/QUOTE]As a suggestion, it may be best not to post hot links to major media sites. When you do that they can find out where their hits are coming from.
I suggest that when one does this, they break up the hot link like this; what I do is split the "t" in "[url]http[/url]". Then you copy in paste the link in a new browser window. When you copy it, you then backspace to make the link complete.
ht tp://www.freep.com/article/20111013/NEWS07/111013061/Feds-Prostitution-ring-set-up-sex-parties-gave-goodie-bags-best-services-awards?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
Otherwise, you are advertising to the world (media) to see. Yes, they may be aware of it, but why make it any easier for them. They love stories like this.
I believe I mentioned this before. Anytime you post a hot (active) link to another site, where that link arrived from shows up on the sites logs. As the pointed out the powers that be are aware of this site but why draw added attention? ("hey check it out sam, looks like we got some people at that ho monger site all excited") Simply putting a space anywhere in the link will break it (again, as the pointed out). If you're too stupid to realize why your browser returned an error when you hit the link then you probably don't need to follow it anyways.
[QUOTE=Deckape; 1296930]As a suggestion, it may be best not to post hot links to major media sites. When you do that they can find out where their hits are coming from.
I suggest that when one does this, they break up the hot link like this; what I do is split the "t" in "
[url]http[/url]
". Then you copy in paste the link in a new browser window. When you copy it, you then backspace to make the link complete.
Ht [url]tp://www.freep.com/article/20111013/NEWS07/111013061/Feds-Prostitution-ring-set-up-sex-parties-gave-goodie-bags-best-services-awards?odyssey=tab[/url]|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE.
Otherwise, you are advertising to the world (media) to see. Yes, they may be aware of it, but why make it any easier for them. They love stories like this.[/QUOTE]
Continuing the updates: there is a better written, much more detailed story on thus in today's Detroit News. It specifically names the two sites and the men involved. I'm not posting a link, but it is easy to find.
It remains to be seen how serious the trouble will be for these guys, but the sites are closed for good. Might be a good time to take a vacation to somewhere cooler, IMO.
Stay safe.
[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1296970]Continuing the updates: there is a better written, much more detailed story on thus in today's Detroit News. It specifically names the two sites and the men involved. I'm not posting a link, but it is easy to find.
It remains to be seen how serious the trouble will be for these guys, but the sites are closed for good. Might be a good time to take a vacation to somewhere cooler, IMO.
Stay safe.[/QUOTE]Here is the link ht [url]tp://www.detroitnews.com/article/20111014/METRO/110140407/1409/Feds-say-prostitution-ring-used-websites--sex-parties-to-hook-up-clients[/url]
[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1296970]Continuing the updates: there is a better written, much more detailed story on thus in today's Detroit News. It specifically names the two sites and the men involved. I'm not posting a link, but it is easy to find.
It remains to be seen how serious the trouble will be for these guys, but the sites are closed for good. Might be a good time to take a vacation to somewhere cooler, IMO.
Stay safe.[/QUOTE]I wonder who shut down these sites, whether it was LE or site operators, and what became of the information stored on these sites. This has the potential to ensnare thousands of people into this mess.
[QUOTE=Black Escape;1297018]I wonder who shut down these sites, whether it was LE or site operators, and what became of the information stored on these sites. This has the potential to ensnare thousands of people into this mess.[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.livingstondaily.com/assets/pdf/C61805621014.PDF[/url]
[QUOTE=Scow72;1297194][url]Http://www.livingstondaily.com/assets/pdf/C61805621014.PDF[/url][/QUOTE]The investigation was long and detailed, despite the guys' attempts to keep LE out of the business. I guess it just reinforces the old adage: be careful who you trust, and NEVER write anything down. Two rules I've violated myself but will be much more vigilant about.
One issue about which I wonder-what are the odds they start going after individual members? I don't recall them doing that in the Miami Companions case, but who knows?
[QUOTE=Scow72;1297194][url]Http://www.livingstondaily.com/assets/pdf/C61805621014.PDF[/url][/QUOTE]Why did you post this in reply to my previous post? I read the document and it didn't address my question. Thanks though.
[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1297214]The investigation was long and detailed, despite the guys' attempts to keep LE out of the business. I guess it just reinforces the old adage: be careful who you trust, and NEVER write anything down. Two rules I've violated myself but will be much more vigilant about.
One issue about which I wonder-what are the odds they start going after individual members? I don't recall them doing that in the Miami Companions case, but who knows?[/QUOTE]I would think they would only do it if they thought there was a good case. In all honesty, they have done a huge amount of damage to the whole "hobby" by shutting down the boards. That alone will end careers and motivate many to find another hobby.
[QUOTE=Johny Mac;1297399]I would think they would only do it if they thought there was a good case. In all honesty, they have done a huge amount of damage to the whole "hobby" by shutting down the boards. That alone will end careers and motivate many to find another hobby.[/QUOTE]They don't call it the world's oldest profession for nothing. As long as there are attractive women with financial needs and men with disposable income, 'the hobby' will continue. As someone else stated, look for a lot more postings on BP, etc. Until another board or two pops up, or maybe some SPs moving back to SCs, MPs, and contacting their regulars directly (expect your hobby phones to start blowing up soon.)
[QUOTE=TwistedBrother;1297433]Sorry, but I don't follow you.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Plumber2;1297074]Thaifood? That is pretty wild.[/QUOTE]Thaifood was the operator of EV and he was arrested. I don't know if the AES guy was Who or #Guy, I never met them, or the 3rd guy.
Reading between the lines and using utmost paranoia, I would suspect that the "attacker" that has been plaguing the 3 sites this summer / fall was actually the FBI.
They finally popped the AES ops a couple weeks ago, which is why that site went down for so long, and held him until he rolled over on Thai.
Did he cut a deal with the Feebs to get out after rolling over? It would be a shame if so, since AES is the source of the original complaints and raffled off prosititution services at their parties.
Thai always maintained that he had a plan in place that would protect the member information should he go down.
Somehow I don't think he was thinking it through to this level of scrutiny.
I was part of AES and EV. I went to one of their meet and greets. The media Exaggerated because the Meet and Greet I went to was nothing like what I read about.
Sounds to me from some of the news stories we can expect some sort of mass outing. At the very least, the emails attached to board log-ins.
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Greetings everyone,
With all due respect, I just don't have the time tonight to write several pages describing this website's security, so here are the highlights:
- First, I don't have any info about you and I don't know anything about who you are. All you are to me is an anonymous email address, that's it.
- Second, the forum's server is located in Canada specifically to keep it outside of the reach of the USA legal system.
- Third, I don't live in the USA, and thus is would be extremely difficult and very expensive for anyone to even attempt to serve me with any legal documents.
- Fourth, my company is incorporated in Uruguay, which as very strict corporate secrecy laws.
- Fifth, and most importantly, in the 8 years I have been running my forums I have NEVER been contacted by ANY law enforcement organization, period. It's never happened, but if it ever did I would tell them to fuck off and that would be the end of the conversation.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
[QUOTE=Eq Twink; 1297591]Thaifood was the operator of EV and he was arrested. I don't know if the AES guy was Who or #Guy, I never met them, or the 3rd guy.
Reading between the lines and using utmost paranoia, I would suspect that the "attacker" that has been plaguing the 3 sites this summer / fall was actually the FBI.
They finally popped the AES ops a couple weeks ago, which is why that site went down for so long, and held him until he rolled over on Thai.
Did he cut a deal with the Feebs to get out after rolling over? It would be a shame if so, since AES is the source of the original complaints and raffled off prosititution services at their parties.
Thai always maintained that he had a plan in place that would protect the member information should he go down.
Somehow I don't think he was thinking it through to this level of scrutiny.[/QUOTE]All of the above makes complete sense to me.
Not sure where Eq is getting his info. From the news reports and the criminal complaint, I would say that all three were picked up on the same day (it was signed on the day they were picked up). Not sure why Thaifood was held, maybe he couldn't make bail. The two that got out on bail were a cpa and an attorney. The complaint reports more dirt on aes (numbersguy) than ev (thai) , but that doesn't matter because the feds are going to sweat them all to plea something.
So what does this mean for the members of the forum? Anything at all?
NG / Number guy / won't post his real name, is a dumbshit and deserves what he gets. I believe the Atty is the original Scorps and Thaifood is a great person who I hope leaves unscathed!
this sounds like a whodunit. but really, the butler did it!
anyhow, if i read correctly, the attorney was scorps and silver eagle, while the cpa was numbersguy and also aes owner. the salesman was the ev owner and thaifood. if so, then who was holland? (ironically, about five years ago, there was a huge discussion about if scorps was ran by an escort. mystery solved finally! lol). they should have seen it coming. the m&gs are what did them in...along with the **** girl. i always wondered why in such a secretive "hobby" would guys get together and let each one know who each is. even if nothing was done, pictures can be taken (and probably were) and license plates can be written (and probably were). as has been seen, it is really not that difficult for the le to become a member and see what goes on.
and why did the fourth unmentioned board also close down if it was not connected. or was it?
btw, from what i have read, this "prostitution ring" is blown way out of proportion. the news media loves it for their story, but much of it is just that. a story. ironically, the main purpose of the boards is ignored...the connecting of escorts to clients. these boards did what no others have. shutting the boards down has done more damage to the local "hobby" than arresting those three men. many escorts will be going out of business, and many clients (unless they have phone numbers) will no longer be able to have a large choice of escorts. i think i have already noticed an influx of new ads on cl and bp. yet without any sort of "reviews." will clients take the risk? is it worth it? are the new ads really le? and the question remains...will there be a new board?
hmmm. kinda interesting.
[QUOTE=Johny Mac;1299464]If so, then who was Holland? . Hmmm. Kinda interesting.[/QUOTE]Back when I knew Holland, he was a retired salesman living on the west side of the state in a tourist town whose name should be fairly obvious. Back then, he had no administrative connection to either of the boards. Of course, times change.
Nice guy (Holland) and an asset the boards integrity, I've met him, he has no board authority other than as a moderator in the forums.
up until last week, i was a member on all 3 boards. i started off on the boards almost a decade ago on the original sg. i am very saddened for what has happened to these men. however, i have no sympathy for the guilty parties that particpated in **** activites. honestly, they should have known better, and i won't even expound on the stupidity of the drug issue. i also have more questions in my mind then answers, and i believe alot more info will be forthcoming from the trials. part of me wonders if this is not a a spinoff of the issues from the arrest of a well known provider back in 2008, that had a hand in the closing of sg. i'm not 100% convinced all the dos attacks were from le. they have niether accepted responsibility or made any mention of masterminding those attacks. logically, it doesn't make sense. regardless, without proof that it was a banned member, another board looking to grow their base membership or the feds, there will be alot of women sol. i have counceled these ladies for years to expand their advertising to national boards and other resources other then putting all their eggs into one basket ie local boards. i i really hope these men have good lawyers and i am sending warm thoughts and prayers their way.
[url]http://www.freep.com/article/20111017/NEWS05/111017051/Farmington-Hills-investment-adviser-gets-prison-Ponzi-scheme?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE[/url]
It does burn me up a bit to see Thai / EV binned in with what was going on over at AES and their parties.
The latest news stories are blurring the lines to make it seem like all the boards were the same for the M&G's.
It seems like the feebs are going for the crossing state / international borders for prostitution angle over anything else.
As for what happened to the unmentioned board. If they're smart they're keeping it off line for a while.
peyton, the charges are allegations at this point. i assume there must be enough evidence, but we won't see it. as for the **** girl, i also abhor it if it is true. remember. she was 17 not 13, and the question for me is. did those guys know her age? were they responsible for verifying age?
the article i read, stated the **** complaint was liabled agaisn't scorps.
although since the board was shut down they went after what they could. my guess is after the big news on the miami connections a task force was set up to investigate any open investigations. hence the old report became new again. someone saw it. man hours were put in and they found out crap. they are gone. and then latched on the as, and ev.
the funny thing is ev worked to keep drug use, std's and dangious people out of the membership and group. hence a safer place to play. i know thai. he is a good guy. i hope things work out well.
but with this industy. it doesn't matter if they are guilty. best thing he can hope for is a good lawyer and trial by judge. because in this industly cards are stacked against them with jury.
my thought on my thai was remanded might have something to do with, that his board was the only one charging a membership. hence profiting off it also.
[quote=johny mac;1299816]peyton, the charges are allegations at this point. i assume there must be enough evidence, but we won't see it. as for the **** girl, i also abhor it if it is true. remember. she was 17 not 13, and the question for me is. did those guys know her age? were they responsible for verifying age?[/quote]i hear what your saying johnny, really i do. hell, i have nieces that matured rather fast for their age and at 13 years old looked like they were 18. but there is such a thing as responsibility to keep your membership base safe by verifying when / if in doubt. i have never understood why there has never been a requirement for providing i'd to the admins of a board upon registration. there are several national boards that require a copy of your i'd when you register as a provider, and they are very strict about banning members that fail to produce it within 48 hours of joining. yeah its a pain in the ass, but i would much rather have to produce my i'd then to see this kinda shit hit the fan!
thaifood is a good guy and a great admin. he was always fair in his dealings with people. he had my back on more then one occassion, without expecting anything in return, and for that i owe him a debt of gratitude. i have to agree with the general consensus that its looking like the other 2 rolled and hung him out to dry. i seriously doubt that they will walk out of this without consequences, but they will probably receive a lighter sentence. karma's a *****, but the problem with karma is, your very rarely allowed a peek at the end result!
[quote=johny mac;1299816]peyton, the charges are allegations at this point. i assume there must be enough evidence, but we won't see it. as for the **** girl, i also abhor it if it is true. remember. she was 17 not 13, and the question for me is. did those guys know her age? were they responsible for verifying age?[/quote]age of consent in michigan is 16, with no "romeo and juliet" clause. which means there's no other penalty for age differences. in michigan an 80 year old can do a 16 year old and it's legal. providing no monetary compensation has been exchanged.
there is a romeo and juliet clause against prosecution for age 15 and under. i think it's 2 or 3 years but don't hold me on that one.
yes it will be interesting to see how this one plays out.
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with all the paranoia around here about being identified as member of those boards, the last i knew no one around here is charlie sheen. but if i'm mistaken, hey charlie could you pm please? the worst that can happen is that le tries to publicly embarrass you into doing something for their motives. yes for some this could cause a great deal of personal damage but it usually has backfired for le and the media in the past to the tune of big bucks and their own embarrassment. can anyone say synergy?
on a side note; this is exactly why i gave up on agencies many many years ago. everytime one got busted, a huge client list with names, numbers, and other info was seized during those bust. one that comes to mind was the one that got busted out of huntington woods years ago. if i remember it was like 10, 000 names and numbers and details on the disk that were seized? i'll surmise that mine was on there somewhere as well.