Safe Mongering in Honolulu

[QUOTE=Chris1961]Having visted MPs several years back I was always nervous about the place being raided while I was there. Which took some of the intensity away from the experience.

As I look at revisting MPs again I am somewhat hesitant for fear of LE busting the place and explaining to my wife why she needs to bail me out of jail.

Does LE prefer a certain time of day for these raids or is it entirely random? And how often can one establishment be raided. Say in a years time? I prefer to enjoy the MP experience during daytime/business hours versus late at night just because it seems to make sense that LE would raid a MP when it is most busiest.

Just curious as I am fearful of the potential embarassment if I am at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Great forum![/QUOTE]I don't think there is technically a safe period as this hobby has much risk no matter the time, but as far as most raids, they typically happen at night after dark and typically before 2am. That of course is my own opinion.

[QUOTE=Chris1961]

As I look at revisting MPs again I am somewhat hesitant for fear of LE busting the place and explaining to my wife why she needs to bail me out of jail. [/QUOTE]
The topic of a customer's potential for being arrested during a raid on a relaxation/massage business was discussed on the forum before you became a member. To help place your mind at ease, the general consensus was that a customer almost surely won't be arrested if he doesn't have any current warrants, he isn't found to possess something illegal, and he isn't foolish enough to confess to doing something illegal.

[QUOTE=Chris1961]Having visted MPs several years back I was always nervous about the place being raided while I was there. Which took some of the intensity away from the experience.

As I look at revisting MPs again I am somewhat hesitant for fear of LE busting the place and explaining to my wife why she needs to bail me out of jail.

Does LE prefer a certain time of day for these raids or is it entirely random? And how often can one establishment be raided. Say in a years time? I prefer to enjoy the MP experience during daytime/business hours versus late at night just because it seems to make sense that LE would raid a MP when it is most busiest.

Just curious as I am fearful of the potential embarassment if I am at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Great forum![/QUOTE]See posts #49, 52 and 61 in this thread for more information. Technically LE can conduct a raid anytime they want, day or night. But it would make more sense for LE to conduct these raids at night because the LE Morals Squad works the night shift and most of the providers are working at the AMPs at night. LE can raid an AMP as often as they want as long as they have Probable Cause to believe that a violation of the law has been committed. LE AMP arrest usually occurs as follows:

1) One or two undercover LE officers will go to an AMP and try to get the provider they are with to commit a violation and then arrest them immediately if a violation is committed.

2) LE will conduct an extended investigation of an AMP, with undercover officers visiting the AMP several times and obtaining violations from as many providers as they can. They maintain their undercover status and do not tell the providers they are LE after these visits. After each visit if they have obtained a violation, they will note the name the provider uses, their physical description and the details of the violation. When LE feels they have enough violations they will conduct a RAID of the AMP and arrest those providers who committed violations.

Two years ago I did a month in jail. What happened is I jummped in a car. The man told me he wanted a blow job and he had 50 dollars. I didn't respond. Then I told him to park. He told me I was under arrest.

Then two weeks ago I got arrested again. The man came in my room. I offered him a massage. He got completley naked. I massaged him for 15 minutes. He kept talking about how his girlfriend is cheating on him. Then I asked him for a donation. He offered me 200, and we didn't even talk about sex. Then he asked me if my breats were real. I said yes and took off my dress to show him. Then he licked my nipples. Then I asked him what he wanted to do. I don't remember if I said anything about a blow job, but he was sitting naked in my bed and he had licked my nipples, and I still never said I was charging him for a blow job, he had already given me money, so why would I promise to do the blow job in exchange for the money I already had in my purse.

Just posting this, because I've been noticing a gradual loss of this and the dangers of it it in Hawai`i.

When Mongering in Hawai`i some people may believe that, since its a major metropolitan area that messing over one person or the chances of getting caught by someone is very low. What they fail to realize is that this is an ISLAND, with Honolulu being the ONLY major area. So people from all locations of the island are connected through Honolulu at some time. Anyone who has just moved to the area and is planning on staying for longer than 3-5 years and still plans on mongering should try and be as discrete as possible. I've been quietly doing this for almost 20 years, I don't post much cause I like to keep a low 'footprint'.

We can easily get 2-4 degrees of separation between us and almost anyone on this island. I've found out that one of the girls I've been dating lives about 15min walk away from my house. (Its been tempting to invite her to come over instead of picking her up in DT.) Found out that another good friend of mine knows this same girl, who I also pick up in DT (she doesn't know YET about what her friend is doing.) If you kinda notice, there isn't a large amount of local girls on the street. If anything they are in the MP and Clubs. Street girls seems to be Haoles, and Popolo. The locals are more in places where they aren't widely noticed. Still when picking anyone up, just make sure you and provider are nice to each other and discrete. You might find out later that a friend of yours went to school with the provider. (That was a little scarey. When that happened.)

When Mongering in the DT area, I'd suggest using a 'low key car' nothing that would stand out and make people notice. Nothing really shabby, also nothing really 'expensive'. Almost at the start of every school/college break, you start to see a bunch 'kids' using their street rides to pick up the girls. I'd advise against it, as such things are very noticeable, but some of the girls down there are more impressed with money and maybe, just maybe cause you look rich, they would be more unwilling to drop their prices for you.

I prefer to keep a bit of 'seed money' (maybe about .20) on me and head to a bank machine after I pick up a girl. If I get a girl, and they don't mind me heading to a bank machine, I use the in between time to make sure they aren't LE, they aren't too drugged up, make sure they aren't totally insane, and make sure they are FEMALE. Until I managed to the mahu radar up to complete speed, I like to make sure that a girl is a girl. Strangely enough, the mahus are the ones who are offended if you ask if they are a girl, and the girls are more than willing to give you proof that they are female. If they aren't, usually by saying you have maybe .1 or .2 on you and giving it to them will keep them satisfied if you have to drop their ass off for the ride. I'd say its better to just give them a little for their 'time' and get rid of the bad ones.

(Getting on Soap Box majorly now)
One thing I'd like to let people know is that we should really not discuss people's personal lives and names here. In the "A's Fan Club", people are starting to talk about people and their personal lives. I'd take some care in doing so. For if you drop enough hints, someone will be able to notice you. I think that the Barber Shop might like the business, but the individual people might not like the attention. So if you do go down, don't try and get much play from them. (From what it sounds most of them have BF, Fiancee, or are married.) Also, people are talking about MK and we should really be careful of talking about people this way. While it is fun to gossip, and do what ifs. I don't think we need to bring too much attention to this site. We probably know that the LE are monitoring it, and speaking about people in certain ways means you can be noticed. With some of the info that people have posted here, any Magnum PI would be able to track some of the people here, find their name.

At first glance this may sound like a cheap plug but its not.

Many of you know who the indie girls are, because ppl talk about us. That saves you all the embarrasment of the raids and so on, like the brother mentioned in the looong (but informative)post.

Although many of you hate the screening process, its only once and generally after that its smooth sailing for last minutes, text appts etc. I know many of us girls that are indie take appointments this way. Even the indie MT who occassionally offers HE to her 'good ones' is safer it seems.

My clients know I live in a nice area, very visible to my neighbors = no drama. Nice furniture, clean house, fresh towels... etc. I have been to other providers places here and witnessed the same.

Times get hard, I go back to the corporate world, not SWing, not bashing them... they are doing what they feel is necessary and I wish them safety. But if you are concerned about getting robbed, busts, crackpipes, divorce, losing the kids, house, job... that seems like a rather high price to pay. Much higher than the 50-200 or so bucks you save by going the more dangerous route.

In the end I know its adrenaline too (I feel the same way when I have a new client come over) and the chase and all... but it seems interesting that in a thread titled 'safe mongering' this hasnt really been brought up.

again, this wasnt a cheap plug for me :) but for all the indie girls from the west side to the east side...

Stay safe, and come see me soon....

tried and true
--Crissy
[url]http://crissy.ultraescort.com[/url]

[QUOTE=Kolonahe]Indies are definitely safer. No "managers" to get beefs with, no LE around the corner (if they are, much easier to just drive on by), safer environment, and easier when the na'elle's come up. When I'm going to an indie like popolgirl or tammie, I can always claim to be delivering something, or be on a service call. Much easier to watch the back and bail if need be.

Also, there's usually less concern regarding std's from shared needle users, concerns regarding hygiene, the old bait and switch, getting mobbed, etc.

Be safe, and aloha.[/QUOTE]Hi All, so besides Eros, CVibes, and OahuE, are there any other reliable listing for these "Indies" to provide some measure of assurances and safety for all? Of course we still have to regularly visit LifeF and Doc's to ensure we are being safe. Otherwise, abstinence makes for a regular with Rosey Palm. Alohaz, "O"

Dated "Sandy" the other day. A local MILF. She told me that there is a blond in the DT area who is HIV positive. Said this blond provider would tell a potential client about her HIV status & perhaps insist on double bagging but that's all she would say. She would not be more specific about this blond's identity but I just wanted to pass along the 411 FWIW.

[QUOTE=Localpopoki]Dated "Sandy" the other day. A local MILF. She told me that there is a blond in the DT area who is HIV positive. Said this blond provider would tell a potential client about her HIV status & perhaps insist on double bagging but that's all she would say. She would not be more specific about this blond's identity but I just wanted to pass along the 411 FWIW.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up LP.

I had heard that the WSW's name was Linn as in Linda.

I have never come across any Linda's but I am careful of Blonde SW in the DT area.

[QUOTE=Puinsai808]

I had heard that the WSW's name was Linn as in Linda.

I have never come across any Linda's but I am careful of Blonde SW in the DT area.[/QUOTE]
In September, I posted the following message:

[quote=Kapalua]

There is an old streetwalker (maybe in her forties or fifties) named Linda who works downtown, usually on or in the vicinity of North Kukui Street. She is haole, has blond hair (possibly dyed), has many years of experience as a streetwalker, and often looks tired and glum. Three other streetwalkers, who have previously been reliable sources of information, recently (and independently of each other) said that she has a serious communicable disease. Although I don't know this as a proven fact, downtown hobbyists may want to take it into consideration -- and, at the least, make sure to always use a condom if being serviced by that provider. [/quote]

There was an interesting news report in the Honolulu Advertiser yesterday regarding some STDs in Hawaii:

[url]http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090121/NEWS15/901210368/1001/localnewsfront[/url]

[QUOTE=Kapalua]There was an interesting news report in the Honolulu Advertiser yesterday regarding some STDs in Hawaii:

[url]http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090121/NEWS15/901210368/1001/localnewsfront[/url][/QUOTE]This quote should be noted, just after the 6th paragraph.

"It's clear there are people having unprotected sex out there."

Be careful Braddahs

Ever wonder how offten our ATF's, or any AMP girl for that matter, goes to get a legit check up and tested? Where would they go?

[QUOTE=Cleanman]Ever wonder how offten our ATF's, or any AMP girl for that matter, goes to get a legit check up and tested? Where would they go?[/QUOTE]

Well, regarding your first question, who knows...

As far as where do they go, they have free testing at several places on the island. I believe someone posted a list once before.

I've been to both the Waipahu and Diamond Head free STD clinics.

They were pretty respectful.
Primal Needs

[QUOTE=Cleanman]Ever wonder how offten our ATF's, or any AMP girl for that matter, goes to get a legit check up and tested? Where would they go?[/QUOTE]

I know a few girls who go monthly but I think the average is every 3 months which is a little far fetched if you ask me they should all get checked weekly. I get tested every month even if no tickling my of atfs tako hoe was done.

[QUOTE=Cleanman]Ever wonder how offten our ATF's, or any AMP girl for that matter, goes to get a legit check up and tested? Where would they go?[/QUOTE]

I know several providers. They rarely get tested unless they develop symptoms.
In general don't count on them getting checked regularly. Only in countries with legal prostitution like Mexico or Germany can you count on STD test, and only in establishments, not with SWs.

[QUOTE=Member#3973]I know several providers. They rarely get tested unless they develop symptoms.

In general don't count on them getting checked regularly. Only in countries with legal prostitution like Mexico or Germany can you count on STD test, and only in establishments, not with SWs.[/QUOTE]The Koreans that are part of the "AMP" system in other countries are great about testing. I know when I was in Korea and Guam that the girls were tested weekly and others (depending where they worked) were on a schedule and went NO LONGER then a month between tests and you could even ask for their papers to check. Also the Filipinas in Korea were scheduled regular checkups for the bars they worked at. I understand it was an "unwritten" agreement with the American bases to get the girls regularly tested, even though the base would deny any involvment or even wanting to recognize that that sort of thing would go on downtown near the bases! If you went into a bar and suddenly a regular girl that use to work there is gone and you know she wasnt due to go home yet, you knew one of 2 things happened. Either she ran away or she came down with something and was sent home! SO at least in these countries the bar owners took some sort of responsability to keep the spread of STD's in check.

[QUOTE=Primal Needs]Well, regarding your first question, who knows...[/QUOTE]That's was my point...we don't know...I wonder why they don't make it a SOP to go get a check every two weeks, especialy if it's done else where.

WE Know about the free clinics, but they don't go, but I would think the AMP industry (if i can call it that) would have some of their own regular doctors in the area to have the AMP workers checked regularly. I would think it would be better for business if the customers knew that was the policy.

[QUOTE=Gherkin]Last time I was on the mainland, I had an anonymous comprehensive STD panel done at [url]www.tstd.org[/url] -- no Q-tips involved. Just pee into the container, and give them some blood. 3 days later, results available online. I think it was about $250. They needed a name to send to the lab, but they said to invent one. The lab, which was just an ordinary diagnostic lab, wasn't interested in checking ID at all - very anonymous. Results are obtained on the web via a tracking number that you get when you sign up. They required that I phoned in before getting access to the web site, just so they could read me some sort of disclaimer. Once again, anonymous other than the tracking number (I used a payphone). I paid with a visa giftcard that I bought for cash at Target.

Gherkin[/QUOTE]I checked this internet site out, tSTD. It just as brother Gherkin reported above. Easy to do, no name, no hassels. $250.00. Just not in Hawaii so you have to do while on mainland.

Try the Diamond Head free STD clinics. It is right near the diamond head crater. I have used it a couple of times. They do good work.

[QUOTE=Driskill]Try the Diamond Head free STD clinics. It is right near the diamond head crater. I have used it a couple of times. They do good work.[/QUOTE]But they ask for ID and aslk questions about partners, Yes?

Well, they will ask for a name and address, and if I recall correctly, an ID the first time you visit. However, their records are confidential, so I would not worry about giving my name. And they will ask about sexual partners.
Not sure what will happen if you claim you do not have an ID.

They will give you a bunch of free condoms :-)

[QUOTE=Cleanman]But they ask for ID and aslk questions about partners, Yes?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Member #3973]Well, they will ask for a name and address, and if I recall correctly, an ID the first time you visit. However, their records are confidential, so I would not worry about giving my name. And they will ask about sexual partners.
Not sure what will happen if you claim you do not have an ID.

They will give you a bunch of free condoms :-)[/QUOTE]Yes, went there long time ago and was asked for ID and partners name\s.

[QUOTE=Cleanman]Yes, went there long time ago and was asked for ID and partners name\s.[/QUOTE]

What do they do if you don't have names cuz it's all ho's?

[QUOTE=H Mobius]What do they do if you don't have names cuz it's all ho's?[/QUOTE]

I just told them I had some one-night stands with girls who lives on the mainland. Then they did not ask for details ;-)

If anyone's been to Club Sandy in the past few months and have any unusual symptoms please private message me. Trying to figure this out.

[QUOTE=Member #3973; 905315]Well, they will ask for a name and address, and if I recall correctly, an I'd the first time you visit. However, their records are confidential, so I would not worry about giving my name. And they will ask about sexual partners.

Not sure what will happen if you claim you do not have an I'd.

They will give you a bunch of free condoms. [/QUOTE]Was reading about stds and saying alot don't have symptoms. Might as well check to be safe. I m now wondering how soo many reports say stds are rampant. I guess these are from people who have unsafe sex since I'm positive these providers have more "partners" than any girl with a normal job. Do you think it would be weird if things were equal and there were men AMPs. I've heard from females that they go to japan for the male protitute clubs, but that's another story. Ha ha.

[QUOTE=Cleanman;762255]Ever wonder how offten our ATF's, or any AMP girl for that matter, goes to get a legit check up and tested? Where would they go?[/QUOTE]Good question. In Thailand and Philippines, the girls would do a weekly checkup at the doctors or they call it hygiene checkup. I think most of us go by the fact that if she looks healthy and no visible signs in her private area, they're good to go and we just DATY them as we please.

Has anyone gotten any std symptoms from Monica at Kison? The mileage she gets would definitely put her in a high risk category.

[QUOTE=Matisse;1111786]Has anyone gotten any std symptoms from Monica at Kison? The mileage she gets would definitely put her in a high risk category.[/QUOTE]I saw her about a month or so ago, BBFSCIP, absolutely no symptoms whatsoever, other than a strong desire to go back and do her again! ;)

[QUOTE=Member #3973; 905315]Well, they will ask for a name and address, and if I recall correctly, an I'd the first time you visit. However, their records are confidential, so I would not worry about giving my name. And they will ask about sexual partners.

Not sure what will happen if you claim you do not have an I'd.

They will give you a bunch of free condoms.[/QUOTE]Be sure you have lots of time on your hands. Waited several hours, pulling the number etc. Only to be told that you should be worried mostly if you have unprotected viginal intercourse. If you use condom every time you should be alright. The doc said oral sex basically safe for a male unless you got a cut in your mouth. But don't let me stop you from going, go just to check once a year if you in this hobby. Cause you never know.

[QUOTE=Candy Addict;1112387]I saw her about a month or so ago, BBFSCIP, absolutely no symptoms whatsoever, other than a strong desire to go back and do her again! ;)[/QUOTE]If monica never gets an std once in a while, then in my book, std's don't exist. (Being very sarcastic). My own opinion, if I want to do stuff she does, I'll get from my ex. Who is hot and such a good girl its rediculous, always working and with the kids. Just know since I came back from the std clinic, should she ever contract HIV, it takes 3 months or more to show up in a test and during that time she could be spreading it, other stds take several weeks to months to show up and can still spread so good luck fellaz.

Be safe

[QUOTE=Member #3973; 905315]Well, they will ask for a name and address, and if I recall correctly, an I'd the first time you visit. However, their records are confidential, so I would not worry about giving my name. And they will ask about sexual partners.

Not sure what will happen if you claim you do not have an I'd.

They will give you a bunch of free condoms. [/QUOTE]If you don't have I'd, the clinic won't take you. I saw this happen to a smokin hot chick who waited for almost an hour then was sent away.

[QUOTE=Carmello;1112536]Be sure you have lots of time on your hands. Waited several hours, pulling the number etc. Only to be told that you should be worried mostly if you have unprotected viginal intercourse. If you use condom every time you should be alright. The doc said oral sex basically safe for a male unless you got a cut in your mouth. But don't let me stop you from going, go just to check once a year if you in this hobby. Cause you never know.[/QUOTE]I don't know what kind of doc told you this but I think this deserves to be bumped, even though I know it's a very old thread.

You can catch herpes simplex I or II, gonorrhea, syphilis, and hpv (virus associated with oral cancer, cervical cancer, and genital warts) from BBBJ. You can theoretically also catch HIV and hepatitis but I don't know if there has been confirmed cases of oral transmission.

Even CBJ is not risk free. Herpes and HPV are skin infections and are transmittable in areas of the groin that arent covered by a condom.

And most people who are infected are asymptomatic.they don't show outward symptoms. Yet, they can still transmit the virus to you through asymptomatic shedding. That's why so many people are infected with herpes.

Do you wonder why up to NINETY PERCENT of the population will become infected with Herpes Simplex I by the time they reach 50's? Do you wonder why about TWENTY percent of the population are infected with Herpes Simplex II?

Then do the math. If a provider services only 2 dudes a day for 300 days of the year, that is 600 different men in just 1 year. Multiply that by the number of years she's been working, then add in all the men she has had sex with in her civilian life, and a decent provider could easily have 2000-3000 men in a few years.

So do you really want to do BB anything?

I got tested at Diamond Head clinic last month and called for the results of my tests recently. Only a couple of STDs seemed to be tested for with the urine, and syphilis from the blood test. The HIV test result was given 15 minutes at the time samples were taken last month. The wait for me was about 2 hours in total, since I did not go early when the clinic opened at 11:00 a. M. I know there are risks, but enjoy BBBJ and DATY too much for my only good.

I think I read somewhere there were at least 2 cases of HIV transmission through oral sex but not sure.

[QUOTE=ClintonPortis; 1296067]I don't know what kind of doc told you this but I think this deserves to be bumped, even though I know it's a very old thread.

You can catch herpes simplex I or II, gonorrhea, syphilis, and hpv (virus associated with oral cancer, cervical cancer, and genital warts) from BBBJ. You can theoretically also catch HIV and hepatitis but I don't know if there has been confirmed cases of oral transmission.

Even CBJ is not risk free. Herpes and HPV are skin infections and are transmittable in areas of the groin that arent covered by a condom.

And most people who are infected are asymptomatic. They don't show outward symptoms. Yet, they can still transmit the virus to you through asymptomatic shedding. That's why so many people are infected with herpes.

Do you wonder why up to NINETY PERCENT of the population will become infected with Herpes Simplex I by the time they reach 50's? Do you wonder why about TWENTY percent of the population are infected with Herpes Simplex II?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ClintonPortis; 1296067]I don't know what kind of doc told you this but I think this deserves to be bumped, even though I know it's a very old thread.

You can catch herpes simplex I or II, gonorrhea, syphilis, and hpv (virus associated with oral cancer, cervical cancer, and genital warts) from BBBJ. You can theoretically also catch HIV and hepatitis but I don't know if there has been confirmed cases of oral transmission.

Even CBJ is not risk free. Herpes and HPV are skin infections and are transmittable in areas of the groin that arent covered by a condom.

And most people who are infected are asymptomatic. They don't show outward symptoms. Yet, they can still transmit the virus to you through asymptomatic shedding. That's why so many people are infected with herpes.

Do you wonder why up to NINETY PERCENT of the population will become infected with Herpes Simplex I by the time they reach 50's? Do you wonder why about TWENTY percent of the population are infected with Herpes Simplex II?

Then do the math. If a provider services only 2 dudes a day for 300 days of the year, that is 600 different men in just 1 year. Multiply that by the number of years she's been working, then add in all the men she has had sex with in her civilian life, and a decent provider could easily have 2000-3000 men in a few years.

So do you really want to do BB anything?[/QUOTE]Finally. The voice of reason.

Please keep your discussions about safe sex and diseases on this thread. Please do not clutter other threads with these discussions.

Quote Originally Posted by Blake123 [View Original Post]

Hey guys, not meaning to be rude but we're all grown men here. Everyone knows the risks. No need for the lecture. If a monger wants BB, that's his business.

No offense, but I for one does not know all that they mentioned. I am pretty new to this scene so. Any 'warning' is appreciated.