Just thought I'd give my $0.02
You guys all brought up very good points. Sometimes we need others to give us an objective view of the situation. As a single guy (by choice) in my early 30's, I dated a lot of late 20's and early 30's asian girls that would bring up financial status during a conversation. Interesting enough most would bring that up before I "test drove! " At least with AMPs, you know what you're getting into. The ultimate question is will you get past her profession and treat her like how she wants to be treated outside of AMP. Or will you feel jaded with just a kiss good night after you spend a franklin or two on dinner and a night out?
My luck(so far) with providers
It seems once you get to be known as a good guy who they can trust your chances increase of fostering a relationship. Two years ago I started seeing a provider on the side. She was the one who started the relationship. She went back to Korea in December 07, but my luck continued. Her coworkers now took an interest in me. It seems like when one thinks you are a good guy and she talks about you to her coworkers others follow. I have been seeing one of her coworkers for over a year. We go out after she gets off, I buy her stuff she needs, she always pays me back, I lend her money, she lends me money, I bring her dinner, she cooks me dinner, and of course we sex off the clock. I know she has feelings for me but she is trying to resist them. I am moving soon and have ask her to go with me. She can not decide what to do. She has been in the business about five years and seems to be good at it and makes a ton of money. However like most asians she has a gambling problem which I am not to thrilled with and I am moving to Las Vegas!
Good luck to you all!
Don't get me wrong I ain't no saint!
I to am a gambler but this girl goes into a trance when she gambles. I don't even want to be around her and often walk off and leave her alone! The other night she called me when she got off and wanted me to pick her up and take her to the casino, she doesn't drive. I complied and before I could even park the car she was already at it! About 4 am I got tired and told her I was going to the room and for her to call me when she wanted to go home. Well at 7am I got up to go look for her, she was gone. Later that day I called her she said she did not want to wake me up and took a cab home. When I asked her how she did all she said was " I lost alot of money". I asked nothing more. Pretty scaring stuff. Another one I been seeing told me she started with 500 at blackjack and won 10k. The next night she went out with her friends and asked me to come along. I watched her lose 6k of that 10k. More scaring stuff. I am seeing the first one this weekend. She got me three nights comped at her favorite hotel/casino where she is a highroller. I am sure I will have more horror stories to tell on Monday! They make big money but they spend every penny of it and more. A friend of hers owes somebody 200k she lost gambling. That is a 1000 boom boom sessions at 200 a pop! That pussy be hanging down to her knees by then!
I've been there...somewhat, my findings over ten years
Ok after my divorce, over the last ten years I've had vacation/off time relations with five providers in addition to having one move in for three months downtime and her away from work home. I wasn't looking for another mistaken marriage, so kept it casual. What I found was two of the five were liars and con-artists just looking for someone to use, but one of which trusted me enough to have me sometimes hold $10-12k of hers (she was a local fav and was easily pulling down $15k/month). One was sincere, but with a small child back in Korea was ONLY focused on the green card from me (or anyone) and bringing her child here to live. The other two were good people, never asking anything from me, and they didn't have any issues with gambling, drugs, booze, or smoking (rare). These semi-relationships tended to last 10-18 months before running their course. [I'd visited these ladies as they moved for work to SF, NY, and DC].
I no longer visit FS AMPs and have been seeing a 36 yr old R&T provider with kids (8-15yo) who recently opened her own store. Her husband was a major abusive jerk and deserted the family high and dry after their divorce. In my mind, although it's easy enough to get into a relationship with a younger FS provider, anything longer you're most likely will have better chances with a lady from a R&T place. You can find a honest LTR, but like everything YMMV, so use the bighead.
Best of luck and be safe. Notnoob.
Follow up on my previous post on my experience with providers
None of the providers I'd had a thing with outside of work were forced to be there, it was about making money and providing for their family:
1. (35) Was a liar and found out later she was still married in Korea. Her goal was to build up a $150k stake before returning to her husband. (so-so).
2. (28) Divorced with five year old child living with family in Korea. (very nice person, but focused on the green card).
3. (35-38? ) Divorced with 13 year old child living with family in Korea. (Top notch, honest, no vices, after we split heard she got married and moved to CT).
4. (28) Never married, failed business in Korea, lost a ton of money and owed more than $120k and even more to her family. Supported elderly parents and newly married brother (20). (paid off her loans and was making serious money, but was looking for a husband so they could open their own FS store and rake it in). Moved to NY, last I heard. (major liar, jerk, as in I need a $2500 purse, $700 shoes, and $350 sunglasses).
5. (36) Met her off and on at several places before we finally got together. Very, very slow to get into anything like a relationship ( 4 years).
I'm a fairly average looking guy, was 40-50 during this time, and have a better than average income.
Thanks for prepping the battlefield - You all were so correct
Gents/Brothers
You all were right! A lot has changed in my life since April to include an expensive move among among other things. So, my "girl" stop calling me three times a day to about twice a week to this past month never.
I guess when she found out I didn't want to buy her car, an apartment and a $3000 tennis bracelet and she told me she had customers that offered lots of things..I guess..I couldn't justify my love for her...LOL!
Also after reading about her on this website about things she did with customers but wouldn't do with me..just upset and every now and then she would tell me to hurry up or I was taking too long like I was customer..I never thought a woman six years older than me would rock my world but life is good. I'm over 12 hours away from her so I can't meet or see her and I will not cal her.
Some of you warned me about gambling..didn't believe until she suggested I go to a Casino with her co-workers also her intention to quit next month was placed on hold indefinetly due some "emergency" and the thought that she missed her son's high school graduation in the USA further showed me she is all about the money.
Yes, I know you all told me about this I'm glad you did because my head is up..all the free sex I guess would eventually come to an end..oh well. This 45 Year old woman looks early 30's but oh well..afterall she did drop out of high school in korea so not much to offer me and she does not have citizenship only a green card..she "needs' to study.
It was awesome but I guess all good things come to an end
cheers!
[QUOTE=Tryan123]As long as she needs to. Basically, unless you can replicate her income, she will not stop anytime soon. Maybe they say they need money to open their own place, and then they can stop, but there is little you can do when it comes time to keep the regular customers happy.
Not that this is a bad thing at all, but certainly worth thinking about, particularly if you are going to be emotionally attached.[/QUOTE]
Don't take it so seriously
When I lived in New York, I had a semi-regular Chinese massage therapist.
She'd do the HJ, and then tease at more with a brief kiss. Then one day, after I'd convinced her to take off her clothes for a massage, the next thing you know, she rolled over and was trying to pull my cock into her, saying "Fuck me, fuck me" in a way that reminded me of the movie "Full Metal Jacket" when they're getting ready to blast that sniper. Needless to say, I now have a woody as I type this.
Anyway, for the next few sessions, I'd go in, bang before and after a massage and I'd only tip 20 bucks. After awhile, she put me off, looking for bigger tips.
But she moved to another city, and I'd still call her now and then. One night, she put her boss on the phone. Her boss, in her early 30s, decided by phone alone to come visit me.
So we screwed a little at my place. A few months later, I met her at a hotel in Chicago, and that was a fuck marathon. Awesome. And then she fed me and massaged me.
And she came out to where I live now, and it was the same thing. She's married to a big Midwestern gringo, but apparently, he doesn't do it for her.
Once she asked me to marry her.
"Why would I marry you?" I said. "If you cheat on your husband, you'll cheat on me." She laughed.
She says even when I'm married to another woman, she and I will always be very special friends.
true for the koreans, Viets, not so much for the chinese
The Koreans have easier access to visas, they are likely educated to at least HS (they have a good system) My experience is that most Chinese are here illegally, indentured likely, little or no education.
[QUOTE=Notnoob]None of the providers I'd had a thing with outside of work were forced to be there, it was about making money and providing for their family:
1. (35) Was a liar and found out later she was still married in Korea. Her goal was to build up a $150k stake before returning to her husband. (so-so).
2. (28) Divorced with five year old child living with family in Korea. (very nice person, but focused on the green card).
3. (35-38? ) Divorced with 13 year old child living with family in Korea. (Top notch, honest, no vices, after we split heard she got married and moved to CT).
4. (28) Never married, failed business in Korea, lost a ton of money and owed more than $120k and even more to her family. Supported elderly parents and newly married brother (20). (paid off her loans and was making serious money, but was looking for a husband so they could open their own FS store and rake it in). Moved to NY, last I heard. (major liar, jerk, as in I need a $2500 purse, $700 shoes, and $350 sunglasses).
5. (36) Met her off and on at several places before we finally got together. Very, very slow to get into anything like a relationship ( 4 years).
I'm a fairly average looking guy, was 40-50 during this time, and have a better than average income.[/QUOTE]
And, why not go to the source?
Not to disparage AMP girls (I use and enjoy them just fine)
But:
Actually want one to marry?
AMP is not the place to prospect.
Like Asians, go to Asia and get one. Infinitely less trouble getting a visa for her, as the embassy does thoroughly check. Get one nice and fresh, and train her yourself.
Want something to fuck one in a while? Then an AMP girl will do just fine, just have your $$ ready. Not saying that they won't treat you sweet, just remember that they always have an agenda.
Asian Women Are Addictive
I just wish to again thank those of you who have posted here and have unashamedly and with sincerity conveyed your experiences. I especially admire those first posters that 2 and a half years ago manned up to express their feelings.
I cannot make excuses for what I did or my actions other being very nieve, lonely and stupid.
I have been visiting asian massage parlors for 30 years since I was in my twenties. I have always enjoyed the company of asian women because there is something about them that makes them different. Whether it is their culture, their eyes, cleanliness or natural aloofness, I just don't know. I have been with Thais, Koreans and Vietnamise. They all have an alure for my attention.
4 years ago I met a very attractive older Korean (early 50's) at a massage parlor here in town. We have probably 8 of these places here and I have been to almost all of them. Anyway, this lady knocked my socks off and we started getting along with each other in a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship. It continued to progress as time went on and became more serious. I knew she was in it for the money and I actually did not and still don't have a big problem with her occupation. I don't like what she does, but this is all she knows and I suspect that she has very little education in Korea. She knows no other way or is too lazy to make a living doing anything else. From what I could pull out of her, she came from a large family and according to her, her Father was a doctor and they traveled a lot around the world. I cannot understand how she got into the business and she has told me that she hides her occupation (as she is ashamed) from her family members who still live in Korea. She is very tight lipped when it comes to her past. I do know that she married an American and said she paid him $40, 000 so she could get over here. She eventually divorced this guy and married another American until his death in the late 90's. As things would have it she inherited his money and bought a home in another state where she vacations once or twice a year.
Our relationship became more serious as my wife and I have not gotten along for several years now as we stay separated most of the time.
I visit her at the massage parlor 3 to 4 times a month and I have had her out to the house 4 times. Each time paying her $1000 for a one night stand and then $1800 for a 2 nighter. I have spent 4 days with her at her home while she was on vacation last year at no charge. She has bought me clothing when we went shopping and bought me several lunches. The sex is the best I have ever had and for the most part we get along fine though she is hard to communicate with over the phone because of her heavy accent.
I told her that I love her and she tells me the same. We have talked to each other on the phone every day for the last year.
I started wising up last May when I had her over to the house. She was sitting in the kitchen and told me that her Brother had past away in Korea and that she needed to make some phone calls. Well, she went outside on the patio and I heard her laughing it up with someone on her cell phone. This was not anybody in her family and I got pissed off and didn't fuck her that night. The next day she confessed and told me it was a good customer that she called just to let him know she wasn't at work because she didn't want him traveling over there when she wasn't going to be there. I thought to myself why she would do this at my house and on my dime. I let it go.
The next problem I had was just after Christmas when I called her and she didn't answer. I left several messages and never heard from her until the next afternoon when she left a message saying she had been sick and throwing up all night. She didn't know it at the time, but I went to her work place the afternoon before and was told by the manager lady that she would not be back until the next day. I asked where she was and she told me she didn't know, but she borrowed her car to go wherever it was she went. I went by very early the next morning around 7:30 and the car had not returned. She and I got into it over this one. She lied and said she was out gambling all night, but did return around midnight.
The last incident just occured last week when she was returning from vacation and her plane was late. According to the airline company her plane landed earlier then what she told me. I had left a message on her voice mail to call me when her plane landed and she did not call until 2 hours after it had landed. Caught in another lie. So I don't know what she was doing.
I am so glad taht I stumbled onto this thread as it has made me face some cold realities. I am beginning to understand that these people can lie so very, very well. They can manipulate once they have mindfucked you. Once you have caught the "yellow fever" there is very little you can do to find a cure. It's just too damn bad that these people cannot find a normal life or maybe they would, but no one will have them. I never promised that I would marry her and maybe she is tired of my bullshit. She started screamming at me on the phone the other night when I confronted her about her plane landing late. She said she was tired of me questioning her about where she was, where she went, who she's with (afterall, I thought I was her BF). She got so mad that her voice even changed. Told me to never call her again then hung up.
I have been really depressed the last few days about the whole thing and have wondered if I have wasted my time with this woman. My thoughts are consumed by thinking of her each day. It's hard not to pick up the phone and call her. Maybe I need to go ahead and make the break because there is no end game to this one I realize. I think Big Red50 probably has the best solution to my problems and that is to "get back on the horse and go find another piece of pussy". LOL
Some advise from an ex-amp girl
Hi guys,
I am an Korean American ex spa worker. I have worked in the spas for 15 years and from my personal knowledge and experience I have found out that 9 out 10 times the girl is a con-artist and a liar. A lot of these girls used to brag to me about the men they were using either for money/material goods or a greencard. I also have been conned out of money from these girls who I thought were my friends. I unfortunately have a soft heart and would believe their sob stories and give them the financial help that they said they needed. When they were supposed to pay me back they couldn't be found. I have often told my clients if they want to date Asian girls to find the ones who don't work in a spa. In most Asian countries and especially Korea the mentality is they are out for themselves and they don't care who they step on or hurt to get what they want. I know a lot of them have told me that American men are a bunch of suckers and very easy to use. I myself no longer have any contact with spa workers since I've gone independent, but I no longer have to put up with all the drama from these girls.
Now don't get me wrong there are a few good girls out there but they are very rare and hard to find. Just be careful when hook up with a spa girl.
