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Watch their left arm, and the contents of your right pocket fellas.
Hide the things you don't want loosing.
Think same happened to me with Kayla, lost my flashlight the same day I saw her, didn't notice till later same day. Haven't seen here since to ask but don't really want the drama that would result from it. Ill consider it a tip and not have any interactions with her.
Nothing but occasional SW from what I seen predawn and midday, mostly local leos parked at Florida and Clara, not hiding just noticable. Heard from 2 different people that locals using camry as unmarked. Also seen more cnty and staties in the area. Be safe everyone.
Cruised the loop today. Things have been really slow since the police chase fiasco a while back. Uncle is around a lot! Be Careful.
Anyone know lizzie. Seems low drama with good practices. She's a 7 or better on my scale. Found in normal places early (or late, depending) just after sunrise. I have digits to trade for something good. This area is closer to home than my other haunts I'd like more options in this area.
Also, I'm not as familiar with this area as others so if anyone has a couple safe parking spots please pm me. Its not advised to go to their spots but I've had no other good options, one spot did not feel safe the other was way far away.
I also have digits in DB and orl.
Thanks guys stay safe.
[QUOTE=Dwnunder1; 1781270]Anyone know lizzie. Seems low drama with good practices. She's a 7 or better on my scale. Found in normal places early (or late, depending) just after sunrise. I have digits to trade for something good. This area is closer to home than my other haunts I'd like more options in this area.
Also, I'm not as familiar with this area as others so if anyone has a couple safe parking spots please pm me. Its not advised to go to their spots but I've had no other good options, one spot did not feel safe the other was way far away.
I also have digits in DB and orl.
Thanks guys stay safe.[/QUOTE]They use different names. May know her. What does she look like?
[QUOTE=DeeLand76;1781389]They use different names. May know her. What does she look like?[/QUOTE]Early 20s black hair, cute, about a buck twenty five. Clean. Pale. Huge purse. Only asks for a Jackson and doesn't disappoint. No drama no complaining.
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Second success story. Now have 2 digits to trade. Her reviews on the last 2 pages are right on.
On another note. I'm trying to get digits because I got to tell ya fella's. Trying to be inconspicuous on this loop is an epic fail. First time around I got hooted at 3x. Second loop Some BSW dam near stands in front of me and despite my 'no thank you's she will not accept that it IS NOT her I'm looking for. Third time around I get suspicious looks from other slow drivers that I've already passed at least once. Total time lapsed. 5 minutes. I might as well be driving the ice cream truck with the jingle blairing. I make the loop bigger just to waste time, hoping at least one of my hooters, or some of the stationary people who have seen me 4 times now have gone away.
It takes an hour to get noticed in daytona. And you can go all day in orlando. Deland is whack. But a fun little spot. I got shown a new parking spot too, if I can find it again. Suggestions and digit trades still welcome.
Over and out.
Yeah I think I encountered this one just today a little earlier. Except she said her name was Christina or something. Didn't finish the job, wanted to go back to "her place", then started telling me to go to these different spots she knows of. No thanks. Then she started asking me what kind of phone I had. I told her it's broken. LOL Then she asked for more money. Ugh. Big freakin waste of time, just a junky. Would probably be pretty cute otherwise if she laid off the smack. But yeah, hide all your stuff with these SW.
[QUOTE=Dwnunder1; 1762115]So after many trips through D-land My friend made his first contact in the area. Last night about 10 in the usual places he found Jacki, curly black hair 20 something semi cute nice figure nice skin. Except on her face. She said she started smoking crack and her face broke out so she had put some kind of cream all over it. Said it tasted horrible so if my friend could help her out with the job, cause it was on her hand too. She did pretty good face only but kept stopping, complaining, re adjusting herself. Previous to the gig she was asking to hang out afterward, claimed she was lonely, this tipped my friend off to beware. Because he's a smart mother effer. So sure enough. She makes her way to the old left arm on your right hip position where her hand can glide up the outside of your pocket without you caring one bit, because now she's really getting into her job, and responding ever so dramatically to my friends playing with her nether region, where she seemed numb not 2 minutes earlier.
My friend knows the contents of his right pocket is 1 lighter 1 pocket knife 1 phone and 5 crispy one dollar bills. She wanted more money from the start so if letting her rob him was the way to get her to finally get into her work, who was he to stop her, he thought.
She stopped after she had gotten what she wanted and moved it to 2 different places on her person, from her shirt to her shoe, to ask if we could go get a drink and come back because the cream had gotten in her mouth (since it was caked on her face) and tasted horrible. My friend then said listen, finish up here and do a good job and I'll take you through drive through and get you whatever you want. (on the sly my friend checked the contents of his pocket to make sure he was not about to be stabbed with his own pocket knife.) only the money was missing. After a job well done. In some dark alley in some dark corner of deland he'd never been in before. He told her if she wanted to keep the money she stole she could get out of the car right now. She argued. He told her everything she had done. She went from defensive to pathetic, looking like she about to cry, out come the sob stories, he had to lean over and open the door for her, not falling for that crap, you want to rob me you can get out now, he said, she finally got out and slammed it behind her.
She kept fumbling in her purse and making him nervous but he said he would repeat. Getting some in a new town, yet having the skill to know your being robbed, as long as you get what you want in the end, is actually pretty fun.
Watch their left arm, and the contents of your right pocket fellas.[/QUOTE]
Cruised through around 9am.
Saw a WSW. 130 lbs, dark hair, pale. 30ish.
Also saw another WSW, BBW, pink hair, age.
Popo was in trailer park.
No fun for me.
This will sound strange but I'm new to the area but can any one the streets that make up the loop and the best places to go.
Good news is the loop was alive predawn time, nearly 1/2 dozen SW all kinds. The bad is that ogres were within talking distance 10ft max. Later in the week I cruised in afternoon and I saw 2 SW. 1 def managed by store but no ogre in site. Cruised perimeter and I see 2 orgres. 1st on side st with clear view of SW. 2nd at front of house on cell. Deciding to keep on going I hook a left towards dunkin to get a cup and I see a 3rd ogre hiding on side of bldg thats behind dunkin on a cell with an umbrella. Guess they wised up and started to have lookouts for local uncle. Reason I can tell 1 of the girls was managed cause she talked to ogres but before she didn't. She's white, thin, short dark hair. And she had a recent mug shot for possession.
[QUOTE=ExCaptHookerT6;1795893]This will sound strange but I'm new to the area but can any one the streets that make up the loop and the best places to go.[/QUOTE]Look for a crap trailer park. Fair warning though don't be cruising up and down the streets cause its not that big and you will get noticed. Other than that check google maps.
Hi, I've been lurking for a while, but finally made an account. I just wanted to give a heads up about the loop, if what I have to say is allowed.
Between the very end of February and the end of March, I was streetwalking in that area. I lost my home and had pretty much no other option. I got to know quite a few of the girls out there, and needless to say I didn't like what I saw. I know that most of you are pro's and this is just common sense, but I just wanted to say, from the girl's point of view, PLEASE use extreme caution.
Every single one of the girl's that I met, including the one who talked me into being a SW, had stories of robbing the guys that picked them up. They all had these elaborate schemes and plans, etc. Of how to get over on guys. I was not, and am not, that kind of person, so as soon as I made enough money to get on my feet and out, I did. The girl that was "showing me the ropes" so to speak, had this god-awful abscess on her arm from shooting up. (I later took her to the hospital to have it drained.) But she would meet back up with me laughing her ass off saying she was getting over on guys telling them her sob story about how she was bit by a spider and she needed antibiotics oh-so-badly. Whether or not the guys truly believed her, or knew it was just part of the hustle, it was just really wrong to me to take advantage of someone's compassion. (Needless to say, I just wasn't cut out for the SW aspect of adult fun.) 99. 999% of what comes out of these girls' mouths is complete BS.
I only met two other girls who were like me. Legitimately fallen on hard times, drug-free, and honest. I know it's easy to judge what these girls are doing, but believe it or not, some of us were truly just trying to get back on our feet. Trust me, I used to think SW's were nothing but disgusting drug-addicts, but having to be out there myself, I realized what I should have realized anyway, not to judge until you walk in someone else's shoes. I definitely am not judging the girls that are out there strictly to support a drug habit, either. I want to be clear on that. As the people they were when I knew them, they were extremely nice and welcoming to me. Like I said, I am just an extremely honest person, so I couldn't relate to them on the "hustle" part.
Also, I'd say about three to four of the girls that I met had oral herpes (told to me from the girls themselves) , but they were not inflamed at the time, so please use caution when it comes to those BBBJ's, because they were definitely not disclosing that fact to the guys. Not only are they risking the guys' health, but also that of their spouses / partners, and down the line, other SW's who provide BBBJ's.
Anyway, stay safe guys, and girls, and have fun.)
[QUOTE=BlueEyedGirl99; 1812611]Hi, I've been lurking for a while, but finally made an account. I just wanted to give a heads up about the loop, if what I have to say is allowed.
Between the very end of February and the end of March, I was streetwalking in that area. I lost my home and had pretty much no other option. I got to know quite a few of the girls out there, and needless to say I didn't like what I saw. I know that most of you are pro's and this is just common sense, but I just wanted to say, from the girl's point of view, PLEASE use extreme caution.
Every single one of the girl's that I met, including the one who talked me into being a SW, had stories of robbing the guys that picked them up. They all had these elaborate schemes and plans, etc. Of how to get over on guys. I was not, and am not, that kind of person, so as soon as I made enough money to get on my feet and out, I did. The girl that was "showing me the ropes" so to speak, had this god-awful abscess on her arm from shooting up. (I later took her to the hospital to have it drained.) But she would meet back up with me laughing her ass off saying she was getting over on guys telling them her sob story about how she was bit by a spider and she needed antibiotics oh-so-badly. Whether or not the guys truly believed her, or knew it was just part of the hustle, it was just really wrong to me to take advantage of someone's compassion. (Needless to say, I just wasn't cut out for the SW aspect of adult fun.) 99. 999% of what comes out of these girls' mouths is complete BS.
I only met two other girls who were like me. Legitimately fallen on hard times, drug-free, and honest. I know it's easy to judge what these girls are doing, but believe it or not, some of us were truly just trying to get back on our feet. Trust me, I used to think SW's were nothing but disgusting drug-addicts, but having to be out there myself, I realized what I should have realized anyway, not to judge until you walk in someone else's shoes. I definitely am not judging the girls that are out there strictly to support a drug habit, either. I want to be clear on that. As the people they were when I knew them, they were extremely nice and welcoming to me. Like I said, I am just an extremely honest person, so I couldn't relate to them on the "hustle" part.
Also, I'd say about three to four of the girls that I met had oral herpes (told to me from the girls themselves) , but they were not inflamed at the time, so please use caution when it comes to those BBBJ's, because they were definitely not disclosing that fact to the guys. Not only are they risking the guys' health, but also that of their spouses / partners, and down the line, other SW's who provide BBBJ's.
Anyway, stay safe guys, and girls, and have fun.) [/QUOTE]So you don't do it anymore AND your warning us about the girls. I like you, want to hook up? =]
[QUOTE=BlueEyedGirl99; 1812611]Hi, I've been lurking for a while, but finally made an account. I just wanted to give a heads up about the loop, if what I have to say is allowed.
Every single one of the girl's that I met, including the one who talked me into being a SW, had stories of robbing the guys that picked them up. They all had these elaborate schemes and plans, etc. Of how to get over on guys. I was not, and am not, that kind of person, so as soon as I made enough money to get on my feet and out, I did. The girl that was "showing me the ropes" so to speak, had this god-awful abscess on her arm from shooting up. (I later took her to the hospital to have it drained.) But she would meet back up with me laughing her ass off saying she was getting over on guys telling them her sob story about how she was bit by a spider and she needed antibiotics oh-so-badly.[/QUOTE]Truly one of the more interesting posts I've encountered here on the forum. You will pardon us, please, if some of us are a bit skeptical about your recent 'career', if only for the fact that your writing skills, alone, far surpass that which one would expect from a typical Provider. But as you have intimated, perhaps you are (were) quite unique in the profession.
As for the stories we Punters hear from SW's, most of us realize it's total BS. I've personally listened patiently to so many 'spider-bite' stories that I've come to expect a CDC advisory bulletin regarding a virtual Venomous Arachnid Pandemic at any moment. But I suspect you already know your clients also shoveled a lot of cow-flop your direction as well. In the end, it's all part of the game. And I don't know a single experienced Monger who also hasn't lost something of value to SW light-fingers, be it a phone, sunglasses, money. You name it. I recall one particular Lady of the Night so upset with me for some reason that she grandly made it a point to announce her imminent theft of 'something'. She then grabbed a half-empty pack of chewing gum as she bailed out the car door. I was devastated.
I hope you are truly back on your feet financially now, and believe me when I say, just your ability to communicate and your professed honesty will make more that a few of us wish we'd run into you BlueEyedGirl, if only once, while on the stroll.
Again, should you be who you claim to be, thank you for the interesting insights as well as the warnings.
- Rippa
Thanks for sharing with us BlueEyedGrl. It's always nice to hear something honest from the other side. Believe it or not we do care for our providers. Best of Luck to you.
I'm kind of LOL'ing about my grammar skills, here. Trust me, I know it's very hard to believe that someone who was walking out there would actually have gone to college, majored in English and Psychology, and had a 4.0 average. But, as it turned out, my husband dying, losing my home to foreclosure, living in my car, and losing my daughter in a matter of three months, all made me just make some really irrational decisions.
Three years ago would I ever have considered being out there? Absolutely not. But in my state of mind, I was like whatever it takes. The car was hot, and cramped, and I just needed a way to get going. And once I got it, I got gone. Haha. It really does bother me, though. I have gone back through the loop a few times since, and I see the same people, doing the same things, all as if no time has even gone by. It is like a black hole out there.
And I do know that the guys are full of BS a lot of the times, too. The one side-effect that I got from being out there was that I don't think I can ever get married again. Haha. It seems like there were nothing.but- married men out there lookin'. :P Maybe I'll just do a commitment ceremony if the situation ever comes up.
In any case, I know that it's hard to trust what people say on here, I will answer an questions in a PM. I'm not on here advertising, though. Things are actually going incredibly well for me now, and I'll just chalk up my past to being just that. My past.
Stay safe, guys and gals!
[QUOTE=BlueEyedGirl99; 1846309]I'm kind of LOL'ing about my grammar skills, here. Trust me, I know it's very hard to believe that someone who was walking out there would actually have gone to college, majored in English and Psychology, and had a 4. 0 average. But, as it turned out, my husband dying, losing my home to foreclosure, living in my car, and losing my daughter in a matter of three months, all made me just make some really irrational decisions.
Three years ago would I ever have considered being out there? Absolutely not. But in my state of mind, I was like whatever it takes. The car was hot, and cramped, and I just needed a way to get going. And once I got it, I got gone. Haha. It really does bother me, though. I have gone back through the loop a few times since, and I see the same people, doing the same things, all as if no time has even gone by. It is like a black hole out there.
And I do know that the guys are full of BS a lot of the times, too. The one side-effect that I got from being out there was that I don't think I can ever get married again. Haha. It seems like there were nothing. But- married men out there lookin'. :P Maybe I'll just do a commitment ceremony if the situation ever comes up.
In any case, I know that it's hard to trust what people say on here, I will answer an questions in a PM. I'm not on here advertising, though. Things are actually going incredibly well for me now, and I'll just chalk up my past to being just that. My past.
Stay safe, guys and gals![/QUOTE]From someone who knows, I do hope fortune and life smile back at you. I for one sometimes cannot understand the whys of what we do, but I have learned it is part of life. Having dark past, I will tell you that the best thing is to learn from it, and allow it to forge your into a stronger person. I do not know you, but I know. So with that in mind I wish you the best of luck, and may your hopes become reality.
WM
I decided just to swing by and check it out since I didn't see many reviews. The new location is in the old restaurant area of an abandoned hotel. Now that may sound bad, but it's really not. Just a little weird for a club location is all. Inside though it's pretty nice and more upscale than most the area clubs. I went at a slow time so I won't comment on the quantity of girls since it was way off peak but the two white girls that were there were cute and friendly. Contact dances were in the back behind curtains for $25 a song. Typical Florida rules with some roaming but I didn't get the impression that extras were on the menu. If you want a regular strip club experience, this is probably not a bad choice and better than the clubs in Orlando. For my money though I'll still drive to Cocoa.
Saw this lady, dark long hair, walking close to the Publix in Howland. Odd thing about her is that she was giving out the vibe as she swayed from side to side and looked at each and every vehicle that passed. I slowed down and looked, she smiled and waved.
Either this lady was juiced up on something powerful, she is lost, or she is not legit. Didn't take the chance and I suggest to avoid. From what I know that area is clean and heavily patrolled so trust your spider senses, and follow common sense.
Be safe!
[QUOTE=WilliamMstrs; 1853264]Saw this lady, dark long hair, walking close to the Publix in Howland. Odd thing about her is that she was giving out the vibe as she swayed from side to side and looked at each and every vehicle that passed. I slowed down and looked, she smiled and waved.
Either this lady was juiced up on something powerful, she is lost, or she is not legit. Didn't take the chance and I suggest to avoid. From what I know that area is clean and heavily patrolled so trust your spider senses, and follow common sense.
Be safe![/QUOTE]Yeah. Howland is.definitely- not a SW area. At all. I really don't even know of any hot spots over here. I think that the whole SW thing has been born and bred in DeLand, for the most part. It's part of the reason I moved over here from over there. Much quieter. Deltona has a reputation for lots of drug activity and car theft, though. And you would think that the drug activity would = SW's, but it's more that people are using nice homes as grow houses, or stash houses, and then they do their work elsewhere. Then again, Deltona is HUGE, and where I live is barely into the city limits, so I don't know what lurks out there beyond my little bubble. Haha. Stay safe, guys!
Decided to check out the scenery on the loop around 11 pm Saturday. Not much activity. Went through 3 times and only saw one very rough looking WSW. As I was leaving 2 WSW who left the gas station there eyeballed me hard but they weren't much improvement. Slow night I guess.
And sometimes ya just got to say DAMN! Well, last night was one of those nights. In the less than a year since I moved into this area, I have managed to find a couple of real diamonds in the rough. Unfortunately, all too often such talent either ends up at the wrong end of a hypodermic needle, a pimp's fist or pregnant. Such was the case with my sweet "Pocahontas" this weekend. Due to business concerns, I have not had time to see her over the past three months, but Sunday evening while I was parked at the local neighborhood market in a vehicle she had never seen me in before, she walked right by, sticking out like a sore thumb. Only problem? It wasn't her thumb that was sticking out; it was the return on someone's deposit. Worse yet, she is living with the the-boys now, so even if she makes it to her delivery-date, she is probably going to end up leaving the package at a nearby fire station before the end of the year. How absolutely tragic! And to think, I had already spoken to Miss Joan about bringing my sweet little number down to O-town so Joan could teach her how to be safe, happy and in control of her life.
I managed to reestablish contact with one of the few truly good providers in the Deland area last weekend. She goes by the name of Shannon. If any of you mongers have ever had the pleasure of this lady's company, consider her back in the area. She is NOT walking so the only way to play is to call her. I have digits and will share only with trusted / senior members.
Curious if any of you guys who patrol the Deland area know of a gal by the name of 'Brenda' down there? Sorry, no photos, but a thick gal with large natural tits, usually kept her hair shoulder length or shorter and usually an auburn-dark red in color. Probably in her late 30's by now, used to live and work up in JAX as a Provider, but I know she has family down in Deland and she has moved back and forth several times. Believe her sister also was a player at one time as well. Oh, and she has striking greenish-gray eyes, if you ever met her you'd remember the eyes.
Very friendly lady at one time, but I lost touch with her a while back. Wondering if anybody knows of her whereabouts now, and you may PM for more details or info you'd care to share.
-- Rippa.
Anyone seen lizzie lately? Her number stopped working. Skinny brunette.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=SpecialOne8;1951233]I managed to reestablish contact with one of the few truly good providers in the Deland area last weekend. She goes by the name of Shannon. If any of you mongers have ever had the pleasure of this lady's company, consider her back in the area. She is NOT walking so the only way to play is to call her. I have digits and will share only with trusted / senior members.[/QUOTE]I live in the DeLand area and am looking for a legitimate provider.
Haven't been partaking for awhile but always window shopping and been seeing that cnty uncles have been having a show of force Fri. Nights about 2 out of 4 times I've cruised it hiding near park. Wouldn't be surprised they got a guy in the playground. Only saw 2 BSW by mart each time I've ran thru. No Kayla sighting think she may be sticking to predawn. Be careful and safe.
[QUOTE=Rippa;1954548]Curious if any of you guys who patrol the Deland area know of a gal by the name of 'Brenda' down there? Sorry, no photos, but a thick gal with large natural tits, usually kept her hair shoulder length or shorter and usually an auburn-dark red in color. Probably in her late 30's by now, used to live and work up in JAX as a Provider, but I know she has family down in Deland and she has moved back and forth several times. Believe her sister also was a player at one time as well. Oh, and she has striking greenish-gray eyes, if you ever met her you'd remember the eyes.
Very friendly lady at one time, but I lost touch with her a while back. Wondering if anybody knows of her whereabouts now, and you may PM for more details or info you'd care to share.
-- Rippa.[/QUOTE]I have had reoccurring dreams of Brenda a couple of times.
The dreams were probably four years ago.
In my dreams, she was a everything that a man could want, and a sweet gal.
I wish that I could dream of her again.
My dreams are now just a fading memory.
Seems like anytime l have a dream about an orange city SW I never have the dream again. They seem to disappear. Had this dream about Clover a while back. Said she was from Alaska. Wow great dream. They must be just passing through when in orange city. I think the only regular I ever noticed was one nicknamed tweek. Don't have to say how she got that name. Didn't look like a dream I'd like to have. If anyone knows somewhere in OC where more SW's like to hang I'd like to know. Thanks and play safe.
Not a happy hunting ground.
A few miles further north, and you will find good hunting.
[QUOTE=RoundnRound;2001999]Not a happy hunting ground.
A few miles further north, and you will find good hunting.[/QUOTE]Good hunting in Deland? IDK... I got a number for anyone looking for someone in Deland. I just spoke with her last night and she is ready to go...
PM me... but expect to trade contacts.
T-Man.
[QUOTE=Stripmong;1997331]Haven't been partaking for awhile but always window shopping and been seeing that cnty uncles have been having a show of force Fri. Nights about 2 out of 4 times I've cruised it hiding near park. Wouldn't be surprised they got a guy in the playground. Only saw 2 BSW by mart each time I've ran thru. No Kayla sighting think she may be sticking to predawn. Be careful and safe.[/QUOTE]I seen Kayla's pic at county... GRAND THEFT. MOTOR VEH. < $100,000 on the 3rd and she is still in custody. Now I'd like to do her but never got to. Always bad timing and shit. If anybody got her number PM me. I'll keep an eye out for her.
Her next court date: 02/27/2014 08:30 AM.
T-Man.
[QUOTE=Dwnunder1;1984698]Anyone seen lizzie lately? Her number stopped working. Skinny brunette.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Try her number again. She text me last night. She just got out and looks very different. 160 lbs different!!! But I'm still gonna do her! She sent me a pic. Very nice rack!
T-Man.
I scooped her about a week ago.
She had a nasty head cold, or something.
She tried to talk me into a visit with her to her pad.
Spidy sense alerted.
Declined the invite.
Experience has taught me to NEVER go visit at a girl's pad.
Made the loop with her in a quickness, no fun, and dropped her off with chump change for her time.
[QUOTE=Topherman;2003173]I seen Kayla's pic at county... GRAND THEFT. MOTOR VEH. < $100,000 on the 3rd and she is still in custody. Now I'd like to do her but never got to. Always bad timing and shit. If anybody got her number PM me. I'll keep an eye out for her.
Her next court date: 02/27/2014 08:30 AM.
T-Man.[/QUOTE]1 I'm talking about is short blonde hair with glasses. Likes the needle. Decent dream. Just saw one your talking about mugshot
and remembered her.
Always when you pass she waves at you and half the time ogres were close by.
[QUOTE=RoundnRound;2003302]I scooped her about a week ago.
She had a nasty head cold, or something.
She tried to talk me into a visit with her to her pad.
Spidy sense alerted.
Declined the invite.
Experience has taught me to NEVER go visit at a girl's pad.
Made the loop with her in a quickness, no fun, and dropped her off with chump change for her time.[/QUOTE]Smart thinking. Went there once, she's got cats watching every move and didn't bother hiding her spoon that looked alittle on burnt side.
When I went she had a female roommate so possibly hers, couldn't get out fast enough.
The 1 I've seen is short hair with glasses who goes by that name. Other one is her name and long hair who got busted on theft.
Been awhile since I've cruised the loop. Guess I got to brush up.
Kayla, w / short hair and glasses, is the one I scooped several days ago.
Made a morning cruise around 11 am through the loop.
Saw a car with those things on top cruising around.
That must have shut everything down for a bit.