Sugar Babies and Arrangements 2. 0

[QUOTE=VaVouyer;3462969]Seems to me, GPS is spreading on SA like the flu. Maybe it's the just the ones I've talked to or maybe they charge old guys more but most seem to want $2+ and start at $3. Maybe I'm a cheap bastard but I think 1. 5 or around there is pretty good coin for 30-45 minutes of something you most likely enjoy anyway. My paid membership is running out again (3rd time I've renewed, always with gaps in between) and probably won't renew but who knows. I change my mind like the wind.[/QUOTE]Then someone is paying it.

Depends on which SB you are talking to I think. I think 1. 6-2 is fine if you know how to talk to them, but you are right on the age / looks front. It's been said before here an in the Richmond thread these aren't UTR or backpage, you need a different approach. Also unless you are limiting yourself on purpose, the 30-45 min is too short imo. You should be able to talk them into something longer, like 2 hrs.

[QUOTE=VaVouyer;3462969]Seems to me, GPS is spreading on SA like the flu. Maybe it's the just the ones I've talked to or maybe they charge old guys more but most seem to want $2+ and start at $3. Maybe I'm a cheap bastard but I think 1. 5 or around there is pretty good coin for 30-45 minutes of something you most likely enjoy anyway. My paid membership is running out again (3rd time I've renewed, always with gaps in between) and probably won't renew but who knows. I change my mind like the wind.[/QUOTE]

Daisy. Dukes. VA (remove the spaces and periods, I don't want this to come up on a search).

Advertises she doesn't want a hotel and $. After a cup of coffee, she went to the FC for a couple of hours for $.8.

VaV, You are spot on! GPS is the main reason I left SA months ago and went main stream hunting. In the UTR world, 150-160 (Only cause ATMs spit out 20's) is my high end rate for an hour. Yes, I've gone to 200 at times, but they're rare. Multi hour, msog, threesum, ATM, etc. The filthier they get, the more I take care of them. As Villain states in his response, someone is paying it that's why they ask it.

Of the UTR pics I posted, none were over 150 with half being 100 or less.

Get your hunt on!

Salty.

[QUOTE=VaVouyer;3462969]Seems to me, GPS is spreading on SA like the flu. Maybe it's the just the ones I've talked to or maybe they charge old guys more but most seem to want $2+ and start at $3. Maybe I'm a cheap bastard but I think 1. 5 or around there is pretty good coin for 30-45 minutes of something you most likely enjoy anyway. My paid membership is running out again (3rd time I've renewed, always with gaps in between) and probably won't renew but who knows. I change my mind like the wind.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ViktorVaughn;3463004]Then someone is paying it.[/QUOTE]Good point VV. Like I said, maybe I'm a cheap B. I've talked to a few that hold firm on wanting a monthly and a LT arrangement too, usually the older ladies (30+ which is what I would prefer) that have had a similar arrangement before. I'd think that's more likely in a LA or NY market than Hampton Roads but who knows. Mostly just still occasionally looking on SA because I can until my membership runs out but pretty happy w / my current situation.

I really don't think there are many guys that pay that amount regularly unless they are hideous with weird expectations.

I'm sure some guys have paid that on occasion and later had buyers remorse or just were looking for a once in a lifetime thing.

I think what is more common is that girls see what other girls claim they make on SB blogs. There is much exaggeration of what they are getting paid just like many guys on sites like this exaggerate their conquests.

Many girls join SA thinking they can get that and either reset their expectations or leave the site.

[QUOTE=VaVouyer;3463106]Good point VV. Like I said, maybe I'm a cheap B. I've talked to a few that hold firm on wanting a monthly and a LT arrangement too, usually the older ladies (30+ which is what I would prefer) that have had a similar arrangement before. I'd think that's more likely in a LA or NY market than Hampton Roads but who knows. Mostly just still occasionally looking on SA because I can until my membership runs out but pretty happy w / my current situation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SaltyDog2016;3463101]VaV, You are spot on! GPS is the main reason I left SA months ago and went main stream hunting. In the UTR world, 150-160 (Only cause ATMs spit out 20's) is my high end rate for an hour. Yes, I've gone to 200 at times, but they're rare. Multi hour, msog, threesum, ATM, etc. The filthier they get, the more I take care of them. As Villain states in his response, someone is paying it that's why they ask it.

Of the UTR pics I posted, none were over 150 with half being 100 or less.

Get your hunt on!

Salty.[/QUOTE]Salty you're right, time to leave SA. My problem is probably because I like to "shop" but just haven't been motivated to actually hunt since I'm pretty content with my situation lately. It's an old guy thing. LOL Like I said, I've talked to a few just because I still have a membership a few more days and all it's done is convince me that a renewal of my SA membership is not in my future.

Our ever changing her name girl has now wandered onto Whats Your Price. Miss meat curtain herself, Rockell578544 from SA.

[QUOTE=SaltyDog2016;3463101]VaV, You are spot on! GPS is the main reason I left SA months ago and went main stream hunting. In the UTR world, 150-160 (Only cause ATMs spit out 20's) is my high end rate for an hour. Yes, I've gone to 200 at times, but they're rare. Multi hour, msog, threesum, ATM, etc. The filthier they get, the more I take care of them. As Villain states in his response, someone is paying it that's why they ask it.

Of the UTR pics I posted, none were over 150 with half being 100 or less.

Get your hunt on!

Salty.[/QUOTE]Are these real utr girls? Nice pics; must be a full time job LOL. Pass on some of the wisdom / approach magic. I'm afraid I'd just come across as a creepy older guy.

So, looking at a new SB. V*m*a*l*I Take out the stars to look her up. Chatted a bit, during talks she says she expects 3-4 per meet. Do believe she is legit, already sourced various social media profiles with long history. So, my question is would you guys go for it, at that donation level? I'm on the fence, regardless of how attractive she is. Anyone else chatting her up?

Doc, imo - 3-400 is absurd. That's Vegas rates for an absolute knockout offering everything. Not in 757. We as a community need to bring these ladies back to reality and stop giving ridiculous rates. Just my two cents.

Salty.

[QUOTE=Doc2016;3464298]So, looking at a new SB. V*m*a*l*I Take out the stars to look her up. Chatted a bit, during talks she says she expects 3-4 per meet. Do believe she is legit, already sourced various social media profiles with long history. So, my question is would you guys go for it, at that donation level? I'm on the fence, regardless of how attractive she is. Anyone else chatting her up?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Doc2016;3464298]So, looking at a new SB. V*m*a*l*I Take out the stars to look her up. Chatted a bit, during talks she says she expects 3-4 per meet. Do believe she is legit, already sourced various social media profiles with long history. So, my question is would you guys go for it, at that donation level? I'm on the fence, regardless of how attractive she is. Anyone else chatting her up?[/QUOTE]Its really not what other guys think. Is this in your price range and what are you getting for it is what matters. If the 2 don't line up in your favor then rethink it. If she is something that you have to absolutely have to give ago then go for it. This can be a learning experience whether its good or bad its your experience. The morale of yhe story if there is one is never spend more than you can afford.

MDS,

Please see the recent post in the UTR thread with the Villainous words of wisdom. And yes, they're all real UTRs. I think one is on SA though.

Salty.

[QUOTE=MyDarkSide;3464284]Are these real utr girls? Nice pics; must be a full time job LOL. Pass on some of the wisdom / approach magic. I'm afraid I'd just come across as a creepy older guy.[/QUOTE]

Any know what happened to Alexa? Although she lacked personality I didn't realize how good I had it with her. I would like to reconnect with her but She changed numbers.

Salty, I do agree with ya. I look at it as a challenge. If I get that number upfront, then I leave it up to a meet to see if I can charm it down. I was on a date awhile back where we ended up in an overnight fc that didn't cost a dime, other than dinner. That was a fun time. For a girl to get in that range, she better have a helluva skill set.

[QUOTE=SaltyDog2016;3464884]Doc, imo - 3-400 is absurd. That's Vegas rates for an absolute knockout offering everything. Not in 757. We as a community need to bring these ladies back to reality and stop giving ridiculous rates. Just my two cents.

Salty.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3464170]Our ever changing her name girl has now wandered onto Whats Your Price. Miss meat curtain herself, Rockell578544 from SA.[/QUOTE]Stay away from this girl. Nothing but trouble.

[QUOTE=Doc2016;3464298]So, looking at a new SB. V*m*a*l*I Take out the stars to look her up. Chatted a bit, during talks she says she expects 3-4 per meet. Do believe she is legit, already sourced various social media profiles with long history. So, my question is would you guys go for it, at that donation level? I'm on the fence, regardless of how attractive she is. Anyone else chatting her up?[/QUOTE]Doc, I tend to agree w / Salty because the more people that pony up 3-4, the more they think they can charge and get those prices. That said, as JH mentioned. It's your call. She'd have to be total GFE and do some really naughty things for me to ever consider it. Your finances may be totally different than mine although even if I made twice what I do, not sure I'd go there.

Salty,

Agree 100%, these ladies in our area are overvaluing the price of pussy, let's be honest here. The reason it's happening because the one and done guys are saving up, shooting their load paying $300-400 then retreating. It's not like they are repeating at these amounts. Then when guys like us who are grinders come in girls think we are paying these absurd amounts as well. Just my opinion and I also wish we as a community would stop over paying and bring these chicks back to reality as well.

[QUOTE=SaltyDog2016;3464884]Doc, imo - 3-400 is absurd. That's Vegas rates for an absolute knockout offering everything. Not in 757. We as a community need to bring these ladies back to reality and stop giving ridiculous rates. Just my two cents.

Salty.[/QUOTE]

Gents just bought my one month membership.

Can you suggest any filtering techniques or way to sort through the rubbish??

Hopefully this works out!

Great conversation! All are correct in that $3-4 is a way too much and I think BG (and the other brethren) are correct that GPS usually comes from a monger (usually an occasional player) saving up his money for that one shot at a girl who does shit he's only seen in movies. He is willing to pay it because it's only going to be once. The smartest providers that depend on making money to support themselves can usually be reasoned with on the issue and if not, they will see the error of their ways when regulars stop coming or they can't build a fan base at a higher price point. Even in the underground, the marker drives the price and Villainomics (hat tip to Viktor Vaughn) applies. If they stick around long enough, they eventually get it. Forgot a couple of variables: monkey and getting tossed out of your place. Desperation can really drive prices down. My $. 02.

CB.

[QUOTE=BlakGekko;3466512]Salty,

Agree 100%, these ladies in our area are overvaluing the price of pussy, let's be honest here. The reason it's happening because the one and done guys are saving up, shooting their load paying $300-400 then retreating. It's not like they are repeating at these amounts. Then when guys like us who are grinders come in girls think we are paying these absurd amounts as well. Just my opinion and I also wish we as a community would stop over paying and bring these chicks back to reality as well.[/QUOTE]

Good points made by all. Like I said, I was on the fence about it. I agree that the guys that gladly pay higher ruin it for everyone else. Seems that amounts have been trending up lately from my experience, which agrees with what a lot have posted here. I do appreciate the backup though.

[QUOTE=Borris7923;3466802]Gents just bought my one month membership.

Can you suggest any filtering techniques or way to sort through the rubbish??

Hopefully this works out![/QUOTE]Try these alone or combine them.

1. I used to eliminate anything over moderate. I've been able to talk modertes down to $.

2. Most success was with students or those a bit older with kids (single parents). Either way they tend to be cash strapped.

3. Since I was a p4 p kinda guy I would search phrases like FWB, NSA, freak, etc.

4. I would search proffesions like "dancer, stripper, hooter's, waitress, etc. ".

The two people I know of with the greatest success on SA are Scorpio and Black Gekko. Perhaps they can provide some better advice. I'm since trying my hand using FB.

Hope this helped.

Vinny.

[QUOTE=VChase;3468226]Try these alone or combine them.

1. I used to eliminate anything over moderate. I've been able to talk modertes down to $.

2. Most success was with students or those a bit older with kids (single parents). Either way they tend to be cash strapped.

3. Since I was a p4 p kinda guy I would search phrases like FWB, NSA, freak, etc.

4. I would search proffesions like "dancer, stripper, hooter's, waitress, etc. ".

The two people I know of with the greatest success on SA are Scorpio and Black Gekko. Perhaps they can provide some better advice. I'm since trying my hand using FB.

Hope this helped.

Vinny.[/QUOTE]Never talk money until there is a M&G.

Don't look at how much they are looking for if you're confident in yourself.

I don't filter by lifestyle expectations, but will let them know in my first message that they are above what I can afford, but will still like to talk.

They either:

A) don't reply.

B) reply asking how much I can afford.

C) say that isn't really they expect.

D) say they didn't even pay attention to that.

Or.

E) continue the conversation with no mention of expectations.

I move on with A and B, but find I can continue the discussion with no problem with C, D and E.

[QUOTE=GenXer;3469367]Never talk money until there is a M&G.

Don't look at how much they are looking for if you're confident in yourself.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3469889]I don't filter by lifestyle expectations, but will let them know in my first message that they are above what I can afford, but will still like to talk.

They either:

A) don't reply.

B) reply asking how much I can afford.

C) say that isn't really they expect.

D) say they didn't even pay attention to that.

Or.

E) continue the conversation with no mention of expectations.

I move on with A and B, but find I can continue the discussion with no problem with C, D and E.[/QUOTE]I make it clear in my profile what I'm looking for, and I ask them to read my profile and get back to me if that's what they are looking for.

As far as $, I start with 1. 5 unless I'm really into her and she's that type that don't see many guys at the same time and have something special about her, curvy ass, big titts in good shape.

But most of the time I tell them if we click I'll add some more. Also I do at least 2 hours or more, sometimes it can reach 4 hours. So I kind enjoy the date, not hit and run.

[QUOTE=ChuckyB;3466885]Great conversation! All are correct in that $3-4 is a way too much and I think BG (and the other brethren) are correct that GPS usually comes from a monger (usually an occasional player) saving up his money for that one shot at a girl who does shit he's only seen in movies. He is willing to pay it because it's only going to be once. The smartest providers that depend on making money to support themselves can usually be reasoned with on the issue and if not, they will see the error of their ways when regulars stop coming or they can't build a fan base at a higher price point. Even in the underground, the marker drives the price and Villainomics (hat tip to Viktor Vaughn) applies. If they stick around long enough, they eventually get it. Forgot a couple of variables: monkey and getting tossed out of your place. Desperation can really drive prices down. My $. 02.

CB.[/QUOTE]See I'm confused, maybe because I'm old. You use the term provider, regulars, monkey. I connect those terms to pros and utr. Now I personally don't consider these sb's. Because they put a profile up on sa mongers seem to want to consider them a sb LOL. I view 300-400 not a bad deal for any non sex worker (pros, utr, strippers, swers) who spends multiple hours to all night not a bad value. Most BP girls get 200 an hour and watch the clock and mongers gladly pay that and whine because they didn't get full hour and was rushed. If your paying a girl with regulars, has thst monkey on her back or equates time with price then guess what. Not a true sb. Just an old mans opinion.

[blue]Because "SB's" are hookers. Just because you pay them more for more time doesn't not make them a hooker. What makes them not a hooker is if you don't have to give them tangible shit to fuck them.

A2[/blue]

To me, what makes an SB different from UTR's and Escorts is choice. Most Escorts and UTR will have sex with anyone if they have the correct $s in their hand. They don't care about your job, your looks, your charisma. They will feel the same about the next guy in line as well.

An SB in my view, still makes a decision on who she will spend time with based upon, looks, attitude, charisma, etc and $s. She will not sleep with just anyone for money and don't go to just the highest bidder. This is why sharing SBs doesn't apply. Any girl that can be "Shared" does not fit "my definition" of an SB. "My definition" still allows for SBs to have multiple SD's if they still are selective and only have sex with SD's that meet their criteria.

I don't judge. Escorts and UTR'S have their place. They make it much easier and efficient for many men who don't have the time or desire to "seduce" a woman to get laid.

If the definition of a sex worker is someone that gets compensated for sex than most married women would fit that category. Which I might argue is true! Lol

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3470595]See I'm confused, maybe because I'm old. You use the term provider, regulars, monkey. I connect those terms to pros and utr. Now I personally don't consider these sb's. Because they put a profile up on sa mongers seem to want to consider them a sb LOL. I view 300-400 not a bad deal for any non sex worker (pros, utr, strippers, swers) who spends multiple hours to all night not a bad value. Most BP girls get 200 an hour and watch the clock and mongers gladly pay that and whine because they didn't get full hour and was rushed. If your paying a girl with regulars, has thst monkey on her back or equates time with price then guess what. Not a true sb. Just an old mans opinion.

[blue]Because "SB's" are hookers. Just because you pay them more for more time doesn't not make them a hooker. What makes them not a hooker is if you don't have to give them tangible shit to fuck them.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]

Vinny.

Thanks for the shoutout but I would be remissed if I didn't give the real SA credit and my initial succcess on the SA site to my pupil and brother Salty Dog! Sir Salty was the one that really put SA on the map here in are area. My success only began after a masterful and brilliant plan orchestrated by Salty himself called "Operation Shock and Awe" on Blak Gekko. LOL. It was a perfectly disguised plan where one night Salty crafted a generic message and sent it out on my behalf from his account to well over 100 chocolate beauties in the 757! I woke up the next morning to approximately 60 fucking text messages from women in the area! Without this move on Salty's part I would not be enjoying the success I've had. No other monger here would have thought to do such a thing nor share their SA account. So at the end of the day my initial success goes to Salty because he did the hard part getting them to Gekko World and sealing the deal is what me and Salty both do! Of course my man Scorpio is a grinder on SA and does well for himself. It's really not that hard to seal the deal if you got a little bit of game and stick to your budget and not overpay!

Big shout out to the badest active hunter in the 757 who yielding results at the moment we all only dream. #SaltyDog!

Stay thirsty my friend, happy hunting and be safe!

[QUOTE=VChase;3468226]Try these alone or combine them.

1. I used to eliminate anything over moderate. I've been able to talk modertes down to $.

2. Most success was with students or those a bit older with kids (single parents). Either way they tend to be cash strapped.

3. Since I was a p4 p kinda guy I would search phrases like FWB, NSA, freak, etc.

4. I would search proffesions like "dancer, stripper, hooter's, waitress, etc. ".

The two people I know of with the greatest success on SA are Scorpio and Black Gekko. Perhaps they can provide some better advice. I'm since trying my hand using FB.

Hope this helped.

Vinny.[/QUOTE]

I see C Teal resurfaced again on SA. Anyone enjoy her lately? Too Shelf material here boys. Has some issues but don't they all. Recommend a date if you're the patient type. PM me if you have any questions and your w senior member.

She's a cute 22 yo waitress in Chesapeake. I saw her last week thru WYP. I see she has a SA profile up now. A sweet girl that will see over 55 guys. Very vanilla and inexperienced in bedroom. Too toothy BBBJ and needed a little coaching to get her cowgirl down for the long ride.

She babysits most days and waits tables at nights. This one I do believe it when it she said she was new to all of this. I would repeat as she is coachable and no GPS. As I said, I meet her on WYP. $ offer there. I tipped her. 5.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3474903]She's a cute 22 yo waitress in Chesapeake. I saw her last week thru WYP. I see she has a SA profile up now. A sweet girl that will see over 55 guys. Very vanilla and inexperienced in bedroom. Too toothy BBBJ and needed a little coaching to get her cowgirl down for the long ride.

She babysits most days and waits tables at nights. This one I do believe it when it she said she was new to all of this. I would repeat as she is coachable and no GPS. As I said, I meet her on WYP. $ offer there. I tipped her. 5.[/QUOTE]I don't have her permission to give out contact info. She used Kik with me. I'll message her and see if she wants to share.

Hope she says yes we are all eager to visit her. LOL.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3475161]I don't have her permission to give out contact info. She used Kik with me. I'll message her and see if she wants to share.[/QUOTE]

Had lunch with a cute spinner type dark curly haired MILF from SA. She gets what it's about but she can't host and pretty much only available to play on weekends and maybe evenings (just the opposite of my free time) so if those two things aren't a show stopper for you, send me a PM for more info. You'll need an SA account (she has 4 pics there) and it's up to you to contact her there and make your own plans. She didn't ask me to do this, just thought I'd help anybody interested in a mid 30's ladies weed thru that first question of "will she or won't she". No GPS and loves 420 if that's your thing. I don't like hotels and all the baggage that goes along with obtaining a room and not really a 420 guy (nothing against it, just not my thing) so we just called it "a nice lunch".

[QUOTE=GenXer;3474486]I see C Teal resurfaced again on SA. Anyone enjoy her lately? Too Shelf material here boys. Has some issues but don't they all. Recommend a date if you're the patient type. PM me if you have any questions and your w senior member.[/QUOTE]Might want to research her on the RIC board.

I chatted at length with her last night. She is overwhelmed from the messages she has got on SA in just one day. Both by the number and the content of some. Guys with nice sounding profiles were sending her vulgar messages. She quit responding to messages and hadn't logged back on since 5 pm.

I told her to do just like she did me and chat with someone long enough to see if they appeal to her. Those guys that she probably would not want to see will get bored pretty quick and move on to the next new face.

She said she was going to redo her profile to make it clear she wasn't a prostitute. One offer was for 1 k for overnight and she had several offers for 400 to 500 for dates as their first message to her. So I see why some of these girls quickly turn into GPS. Funny thing is she had her clear pic on WYP and only got 3 offers in a week. Then she puts a fuzzy pic on SA and gets overwhelmed. I forgot to tell her that a review on her got her most of those messages!

So for now she wasn't making a date from SA. The good news for me is that we are having lunch Saturday!

Interesting. She wouldn't even hit my radar, but I can see how some guys want the "girl next door" type. I'm also sure many girls get very attractive offers by scammers or guys that never plan to follow thru.

Too many girls, and more attractive girls to me are happy with 150 to 200 if you show them a good time, are a gentleman and respectful.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3476383]I chatted at length with her last night. She is overwhelmed from the messages she has got on SA in just one day. Both by the number and the content of some. Guys with nice sounding profiles were sending her vulgar messages. She quit responding to messages and hadn't logged back on since 5 pm.

I told her to do just like she did me and chat with someone long enough to see if they appeal to her. Those guys that she probably would not want to see will get bored pretty quick and move on to the next new face.

She said she was going to redo her profile to make it clear she wasn't a prostitute. One offer was for 1 k for overnight and she had several offers for 400 to 500 for dates as their first message to her. So I see why some of these girls quickly turn into GPS. Funny thing is she had her clear pic on WYP and only got 3 offers in a week. Then she puts a fuzzy pic on SA and gets overwhelmed. I forgot to tell her that a review on her got her most of those messages!

So for now she wasn't making a date from SA. The good news for me is that we are having lunch Saturday![/QUOTE]

That sounds like horrible news to me LOL sounds like you are about to be $1000 more poor.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3476383]I chatted at length with her last night. She is overwhelmed from the messages she has got on SA in just one day. Both by the number and the content of some. Guys with nice sounding profiles were sending her vulgar messages. She quit responding to messages and hadn't logged back on since 5 pm.

I told her to do just like she did me and chat with someone long enough to see if they appeal to her. Those guys that she probably would not want to see will get bored pretty quick and move on to the next new face.

She said she was going to redo her profile to make it clear she wasn't a prostitute. One offer was for 1 k for overnight and she had several offers for 400 to 500 for dates as their first message to her. So I see why some of these girls quickly turn into GPS. Funny thing is she had her clear pic on WYP and only got 3 offers in a week. Then she puts a fuzzy pic on SA and gets overwhelmed. I forgot to tell her that a review on her got her most of those messages!

So for now she wasn't making a date from SA. The good news for me is that we are having lunch Saturday![/QUOTE]

Gents,

Anyone had any experience with Ms. Worthy on SA. She's listed as Richmond, but from talking to her it seems she is in Ocean View. Seems real, but before I drive down for M&G want to see if anyone else has conversed with her.

Thanks!

Starkey.

This 33 year old in Va Beach is looking for some help today. I haven't seen her myself, just been chatting on SA with her. Unfortunately I'm in Richmond and not able to get to see her. I have no idea if she is legit.

She said she is not an escort and selling sex for money. But she asked that I pass on her need for help. So I just did and I told her she might find help from the right guy.

I had good message communications with BarefootattheBeach and she even gave me her phone number. We set up a time and place to meet yesterday. I arrived at the location, texted her that I was there, and after a half hour I left. She never showed and did not respond to my text asking her why she did not show. Conclusion: she is unreliable and not serious about making an arrangement. I recommend avoiding.