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[QUOTE=Gator145;1342580]Anytime a monger has a bad experience with anybody on the Ave be sure and post it so that others can avoid a similar situation. There is no shame in being a victim. For everybody out there please have a safe and happy holiday.[/QUOTE]BINGO! That is the purpose of these boards. Share info good or bad. Hey, everyone, has bad dates or runs into new scam routines by these girls. We all start somewhere and the occasional bad date or bad experience is normal. It is how we learn. Show me a long-time monger that has NEVER had a bad date or bad situation and I'll show you a bald faced liar.
So post away!
I had a bad run in with Katie about a month / 5 weeks ago. Near the 7-11 on the Ave. She was standing on the corner of the intersection when I saw her. I made a pass by and picked her up. We drove around the block and she told me we could use her place and stupid me agreed to it. We got indoors and went up stairs and she asked for the money I gave it to her and she said she had to use the restroom / latrine in my parlance. I waited for 5 minutes and she never came out. Told me I had to leave so since I am not looking for any trouble I left and found a Regular who I have been dating for years told her what happened and what I did about it. Mistake I made was letting her pick the venue where she wanted to go. But I got her back I carry two sets of money real bills and fake ones. The fake ones came from Iraq when I was there in 2005-2006. She got the fake ones so I played her GOOD. A week goes by and I see her on the corner. I rolled down the window and she came up. All I said in my normal tone of voice How Do You Like Fake Money *****. She looked at me and started to curse at me so I drove off and went to my friend Liz's home near Bridge and Pratt Area. By the way I have been mongering for over a decade 16 years now and this Is my first post to this site.
Cookie Jar is the MAN and Love the pictures SIR.
Good Hunting Fellow Mongers.
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82nd Airborne Division.
Operation Enduring Freedom October 2002-September 2003.
Operation Iraqi Freedom September 2005-June 2006.
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When Katie tries to get you to take two girls, it is often without the other girl's knowledge. When I was trying to pick up Joy, Katie said that they were real good friends and preferred to work together. I later asked joy about that. She knew nothing about that, had no desire to work with her and said she barely knew her.
[QUOTE=Gator145;1342580]Although I can't be sure, I think she is trying to get other girls to work the same way as she does. I have seen her "teaming" up and offering two for one.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fhjims124;1345456]. I have been mongering for over a decade 16 years now and this Is my first post to this site.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your service.
CookyJar
I may have noticed a pattern. When a girl selects the second. The first girl tries to kick back and let
(make) the second girl do all the work. You really need to be on your game when hanging out with two. Too much concentration for me. And its not just the performance. There being two of them, it is easier for them to distract you. Thereby end up loosing hopefully just your cigarettes. And not your cash as well.
Passedby the K on Friday afternoon as dictated by my little head, I drove up and down couple of times but unfortunately I only saw scammer Kate mentioned in this thread. I skept the first time I saw her because of the past reviews and experience that I had with her before. The second time I saw her my little head completely dominated the big. She smiled at me, it came to my mind that she probably changed, my little head wants to test and really wants to kiss girls lips so I let her hop in to my car. We talked, she was nice, agreed for. 2 BBBJ. After we finished the business she asked me to drive her up to Tioga stn. When we were there, suddenly she asked another. 2 because she probably saw my other money when I got the. 2 in my pocket (another big mistake) and I said I already gave her what we agreed.
She said she is not going to get out of the car until I give her the other. 2. WTF. She also said she is going to get the attention of the police if she sees one passby. I tried to drive away from the K but she grabbed the steering wheel, until I was forced to park again on the side. I was nervous of possible accident I would create if I continue driving and was also scared of the attention / street show if she really call the police, never been in trouble with cops in my entire life other than traffic tickets which I always fully paid. But inspite of the situation I was determined that I will not give her the money that she was asking for. So, I grabbed all my important stuff, my work phone, ho phone, laptop and my nice jacket. I went out of my car, walked towards Tayoga stn where she woudn't see me then I waited until she got out of my car. I know she totally ransack my car, because I saw the back seat folded and my stuff on the third row got messed up. By the way I was confident that there was no valuable stuff in the car when I left her inside (I admit it was another stupidity when I left her inside my car).
Luckilly, she didn't break anything in my car. Or probably I didn't find it yet. So, fellow mongers do yourself a favor, avoid picking up scammer Kate if you don't want to get in trouble. Be safe.
Vms
This is the Kate I was talking about, just to make sure you fellows recognize her.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=96797&d=1269915204
[QUOTE=Vms124; 1360525]Passedby the K on Friday afternoon as dictated by my little head, I drove up and down couple of times but unfortunately I only saw scammer Kate mentioned in this thread. I skept the first time I saw her because of the past reviews and experience that I had with her before. The second time I saw her my little head completely dominated the big. She smiled at me, it came to my mind that she probably changed, my little head wants to test and really wants to kiss girls lips so I let her hop in to my car. We talked, she was nice, agreed for. 2 BBBJ. After we finished the business she asked me to drive her up to Tioga stn. When we were there, suddenly she asked another. 2 because she probably saw my other money when I got the. 2 in my pocket (another big mistake) and I said I already gave her what we agreed.
She said she is not going to get out of the car until I give her the other. 2. WTF. She also said she is going to get the attention of the police if she sees one passby. I tried to drive away from the K but she grabbed the steering wheel, until I was forced to park again on the side. I was nervous of possible accident I would create if I continue driving and was also scared of the attention / street show if she really call the police, never been in trouble with cops in my entire life other than traffic tickets which I always fully paid. But inspite of the situation I was determined that I will not give her the money that she was asking for. So, I grabbed all my important stuff, my work phone, ho phone, laptop and my nice jacket. I went out of my car, walked towards Tayoga stn where she woudn't see me then I waited until she got out of my car. I know she totally ransack my car, because I saw the back seat folded and my stuff on the third row got messed up. By the way I was confident that there was no valuable stuff in the car when I left her inside (I admit it was another stupidity when I left her inside my car).
Luckilly, she didn't break anything in my car. Or probably I didn't find it yet. So, fellow mongers do yourself a favor, avoid picking up scammer Kate if you don't want to get in trouble. Be safe.
Vms.
This is the Kate I was talking about, just to make sure you fellows recognize her.
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=96797&d=1269915204[/url][/QUOTE]First of all-this girl has been a nightmare and a bad date for at least 10 years. I dated her way back, when she actually was very good looking-even then, she was a lousy date and a pain in the ass to deal with.
There have been numerous reviews posted of her in the past year, warning of the exact same scenario that you went through. I suggest that you read up on this board as to how to properly handle the situation when a girl either refuses to get out of the car or demands money. You called her "scammer Kate (Katie)"-she is more like "bad news Katie". Back in December, YOU posted that you had once had a bad experience with her--why in the world would you think something had changed.
You made the mistake of not realizing that YOU ARE IN CONTROL and YOU have the upper hand. The previous mongers who had the same problem called her bluff--you let this little piece of crap intimidate you and psych you out.
If you don't quickly learn how to handle yourself when visiting Kensington to pick up hookers, then you could end up with a lot worse problem than getting arrested.
This is serious, life and death shit. You are in a high-crime, drug-infested area where one dumb-ass move could easily lead to the end of your life.
Go back and read the 22 Rules for mongering, or whatever it is called--you need to wake up fast, bro.
The absolute worst thing to do was to leave your vehicle-you are so lucky that it wasn't severely damaged. If you have a wife or SO, how would you explain the insurance claim that you would have had to file?
Again-read the reports on this site about how to handle situations like this:
From the great SuperE.
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?5976-Supereloquent-s-Reports-Philadelphia&p=966303&highlight=Katie#post966303[/url]
From fbtom.
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4137-Streetwalker-Reports&p=966269&highlight=Katie#post966269[/url]
Even on the slowest days, there are always better looking, better dates than Bad Katie.
I agree. I need to break a little. I learned a lot from this forum, but I guess it is different if you're in actual situation. I learned a lot from this experience. Thanks all for your advices.
[QUOTE=JerryGarcia; 1360536]First of all-this girl has been a nightmare and a bad date for at least 10 years. I dated her way back, when she actually was very good looking-even then, she was a lousy date and a pain in the ass to deal with.
There have been numerous reviews posted of her in the past year, warning of the exact same scenario that you went through. I suggest that you read up on this board as to how to properly handle the situation when a girl either refuses to get out of the car or demands money. You called her "scammer Kate (Katie)"-she is more like "bad news Katie". Back in December, YOU posted that you had once had a bad experience with her-why in the world would you think something had changed.
You made the mistake of not realizing that YOU ARE IN CONTROL and YOU have the upper hand. The previous mongers who had the same problem called her bluff-you let this little piece of crap intimidate you and psych you out.
If you don't quickly learn how to handle yourself when visiting Kensington to pick up hookers, then you could end up with a lot worse problem than getting arrested.
This is serious, life and death shit. You are in a high-crime, drug-infested area where one dumb-ass move could easily lead to the end of your life.
Go back and read the 22 Rules for mongering, or whatever it is called-you need to wake up fast, bro.
The absolute worst thing to do was to leave your vehicle-you are so lucky that it wasn't severely damaged. If you have a wife or SO, how would you explain the insurance claim that you would have had to file?
Again-read the reports on this site about how to handle situations like this:
From the great SuperE.
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?5976-Supereloquent-s-Reports-Philadelphia&p=966303&highlight=Katie#post966303[/url]
From fbtom.
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4137-Streetwalker-Reports&p=966269&highlight=Katie#post966269[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Vms124;1362306]I agree. I need to break a little. I learned a lot from this forum, but I guess it is different if you're in actual situation. I learned a lot from this experience. Thanks all for your advices.[/QUOTE]Ah not to be critical but a few suggestions.
Why would one be out mongering with their cell phone, work cell, monger phone, laptop, brief case and other valuables out in the passenger compartment of the car, let alone in the car at all? Lock that stuff in the trunk or leave it at home! [er. Unless you have an inside the compartment truck release. ]
I guess it is safe to assume that most girls if tempted are going to have wandering hands so avoid leaving money out or reachable while she has you completely under her spell. So keep money segregated: have only enough for the date you want in your pocket and hide the rest. This will help sharpen negotiating skills too, since you NEVER want to dip into the "other" funds while she is there. She'll demand more.
If the girl gets funky on her, toss her out of the car! I once had a girl pull that stuff on me, negotiations broke down and she wanted money just to get out of the car. I drove into a busy gas station. Parked the car and took the key and walked to the passenger door, opened it and in a VERY LOUD voice said,"Please get out of my car!" I had to escalate the volume and eventually that caught the attention of others there and created a scene which cause her to get out. Maybe not the best move, but a previous poster was right. [b]you need to take control! [/b] Shoot, call her bluff and drive to the police substation. The cops know her and that she's on the street, just make sure she doesn't "drop" in your car.
First part of successful mongering is to think with the big head before thinking with the little head, especially when Jr wants to drive. Every guy that posts here has his own set of rules and procedures he uses to stay safe. Perhaps it is a time for some upgrades with yours?
Learn from this lesson. You were lucky it didn't work out differently! So use to it go forward wiser and safer!
GOOD LUCK!
Gentlemen mongers,
I am usually one those who take the good with the bad which comes our way while we indulge in our hobby. But I am compelled to describe my recent incident for sheer drama that unfolded.
I was in Philly this weekend for work and also to meet my cousin at Temple Univ. It was a nice balmy (though little wet) Sunday night and I was enjoying the pleasure of driving with my windows down, wind blowing my hair, and the music blowing my soul. I got done visiting my cousin at Temple by midnight and thought of swinging by the avenue to find someone nice to hang out at my 3 star hotel near airport. I was tired but didn't wanted to sleep, thus needed a reason to be awake. Calling my regulars didn't help as everyone was in deep slumber already.
While driving on avenue, as is evident from the recent reports from the regulars, our brothers in uniform were in full force, while the candy pickings were very slim. My car is little conspicuous and I didn't want to push my luck with the LE all around. Thus decided to have one make or break drive all the way south and go back to the hotel.
On Sergeant st, near the Jasper St crossing, I see someone who looks alright. I stop the car, she comes up, checks me out and comes inside. I see a good looking, oval face, with deep blue eyes (my poison) , clean white skin, proportionate body, about 5'5" in height, and dark hair. She wasn't wearing much makeup, so I could see a little rough face skin. She said her name is Jay, which I am sure was not the real name. I told her of my intention to go to my hotel to hang out for few hours and an offer or. 6. After little consideration, she agreed, saying that tonight is her night out after a long time. She mentioned she is 32 and has 4 kids, is from a large Italian family and gets a planned off from her family every week to come out to avenue. Sorry, I don't have a picture to accompany the story.
She was pretty good to talk to and we had lot of common interests (I mean, how often do you meet someone on avenue who can appreciate the movie "Usual Suspects"). It was way past midnight, and thus my brain was already in snooze mode and I made a cardinal mistake of not negotiating what was included in her services. *
Before we left, she did take me to a place to get her fix, taking half the promised amount from me, while leaving her bag & cell phone as collateral. When we reached hotel, she fixed her dose, and went to take a shower, coming out after 20 min. When I saw her wrapped in a fresh towel, then I realized she really had a great clean & slim body. Over the course of talking, I got to know she used to work at Bottoms up and later was a high priced escort operating out of Neshaminy Inn and other places. She got married young with a country singer living in Philly (and thought you can find that variety only in Nashville, LOL).
The talks continued and she started making plans for next set of dates, and how she wanted to hang out with me more & more (yeah, I do look THAT stupid!). On the other had she also kept telling that she was just a date and I was just a trick / customer.
The real drama started when the time came to become frisky. She declared I cannot touch her coochie with my fingers. Startled, I took that in stride, and asked how about a DATY. She totally backed off! Can't do that too. I ask, how about a kiss? She says, that's too emotional. WTF? Too emotional?
I do understand we all are this hobby for the grand finale, but for me, passion and connection is of very high priority. I didn't see any passion, even a mile away. By this point, I realized, the date is going too south and too fast. I was fast losing both my attention and the hardness. In interest of just finishing the whole damn business, I said just take off your t-shirt and let me jump straight to final round. She did take off her shirt and I saw that her left breast was of little different shape than the right. Possibly a botched boob job.
The final nail in the coffin came when I penetrated missionary and tried to hold her shoulders for balance. She says I cannot hold her shoulders or control her body like that.
If I die tomorrow, the only thing people will remember about me is that I was a very reasonable man. But this situation was beyond reason. I stood up, took the condom off and got dressed. She now realized that there is an acute danger to her remaining money and she could also be stranded so far away from her home base (though, I had no intention of doing any of that).
The moment both of us came into the car, her demeanor changed drastically to being the nasty ***** only a women of her class could be. She started shouting that her cop friend has already run my plates and she has all my info and I am going to jail (she was indeed talking to someone while in the bathroom, before we left the hotel). I didn't care much, so she toned up her antics and theater. My policy has always been that money temporary, but class and reputation is permanent. So, I tried to calm her that I have no intention of holding her remaining amount. That's too little to catch a fight with her or any of her lackies. But she was already on much higher brawl orbit and didn't stop pestering & peppering me the whole way.
Finally, we reached her spot and I dropped her, while being totally tempted to throw my coffee on her face. All her talk of her cop friend waiting for us and coming after me later on too, was well, just the talk of a stupid, scared, bitchy and nasty girl.
If there is any moral of the story, then that is the use of proper vetting process we employ before letting someone come in the car and during the negotiation. But, as I said before, every experience teaches us something about others as well as something about us too.
Thanks for reading and beware!
If anyone has ever had a worse experience than this, I will be very surprised. I had a very long run on Kensington this time in town. This date was near the end but I am posting it first to get it out there asap. On Monday, I spend most of the day and all night with Jessica. This would be our third all nighter in a row and I felt we were really connecting. She was OK during the day but after doing her meds at the hotel, she turned into the devil. I don't know if she has multiple personalities or more likely she just did to much drugs. It was the longest night of my life. From 8 pm till 4 am, I suffered through her freaking out. Everything from banging her head on the walls, screaming, slamming the door, punching herself in the head, swinging the metal stand you put your suitcases on at me to running around outside the hotel naked with just a blanket over her shoulders, flashing herself. The police arrived at the lobby. I am guessing they were called because of her. By then she was back in the room. Somehow I got her to quiet down until they had gone by telling her if she got locked up she would not see her daughter. I should have had them take her away. I spent the night avoiding being punched, having drinks and anything else around thrown at me and watching the clock wondering how long this could possibly go on. If I touched her to try and calm her down she only became more violent. She smashed a large mirror and pissed on the bed. I'm sure I'll be getting a bill for that. About 4 am she was coherent enough to declare that she wanted to go back to Kensington to try and get more dope. I promised to buy her some if she would stay calm till then. I carried our luggage out to the car. When she came out she had my laptop case and said she did not want me to forget it. Once she was safely out of the car on the ave, I told her I wasn't buying her anything and got the hell out of there. The next day, I grabbed my laptop case and it was very light, because it was empty. She stole mt $1000 computer.
I don't believe I can do Justus in this review to just how bad it was. I know some of you, after I post my reviews of our previous dates and her pics will be tempted to take a spin of the wheel. This is not a YMMV, it is playing Russian Roulette.
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[QUOTE=HungryCoyote; 1428983]If anyone has ever had a worse experience than this, I will be very surprised. I had a very long run on Kensington this time in town. This date was near the end but I am posting it first to get it out there asap. On Monday, I spend most of the day and all night with Jessica. This would be our third all nighter in a row and I felt we were really connecting. She was OK during the day but after doing her meds at the hotel, she turned into the devil. I don't know if she has multiple personalities or more likely she just did to much drugs. It was the longest night of my life. From 8 pm till 4 am, I suffered through her freaking out. Everything from banging her head on the walls, screaming, slamming the door, punching herself in the head, swinging the metal stand you put your suitcases on at me to running around outside the hotel naked with just a blanket over her shoulders, flashing herself. The police arrived at the lobby. I am guessing they were called because of her. By then she was back in the room. Somehow I got her to quiet down until they had gone by telling her if she got locked up she would not see her daughter. I should have had them take her away. I spent the night avoiding being punched, having drinks and anything else around thrown at me and watching the clock wondering how long this could possibly go on. If I touched her to try and calm her down she only became more violent. She smashed a large mirror and pissed on the bed. I'm sure I'll be getting a bill for that. About 4 am she was coherent enough to declare that she wanted to go back to Kensington to try and get more dope. I promised to buy her some if she would stay calm till then. I carried our luggage out to the car. When she came out she had my laptop case and said she did not want me to forget it. Once she was safely out of the car on the ave, I told her I wasn't buying her anything and got the hell out of there. The next day, I grabbed my laptop case and it was very light, because it was empty. She stole mt $1000 computer.
I don't believe I can do Justus in this review to just how bad it was. I know some of you, after I post my reviews of our previous dates and her pics will be tempted to take a spin of the wheel. This is not a YMMV, it is playing Russian Roulette.
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![/QUOTE]Was the hotel that Jessica defiled a big, round one on Penrose with a dinner across the street?