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Jantana
[QUOTE=Clinton Bush]I understand you wouldn't want a amateur pretending to be a cancer doctor and giving out candy pills so unlicensed practice of heath care is a felony.
Seems like unlicensed practice of massage shouldn't be a felony though. What is the worst that could happen? Someone is rubbed the wrong way? Why that is a felony is beyond me.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you Bush. It's one thing for someone to pretend to be a doctor, and something entirely different to pretend a body rub is a massage. Hard to understand. Hey, they reduces her bond from $5000 and $2500 to $1500 and $1000. I wonder what that is all about. Bill Ho
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[QUOTE=Clinton Bush]I understand you wouldn't want a amateur pretending to be a cancer doctor and giving out candy pills so unlicensed practice of heath care is a felony.
Seems like unlicensed practice of massage shouldn't be a felony though. What is the worst that could happen? Someone is rubbed the wrong way? Why that is a felony is beyond me.[/QUOTE]
I know someone who is a massage therapist. She had to go to school to become licensed. She had to be trained on all the different muscles, tissues, joints, etc. Those of us who are generally healthy physically could easily overlook others who have various injuries and other medical issues. It would be very easy to injure someone who was not in the best of health. It`s no different then a pharmacist having to receive some of the same training that a doctor receives as far as medicine is concerned. A pharmacist is doing more then just putting your pills in a bottle. They have to know which drugs will cause a bad reaction if mixed with another drug you may be taking. They also have to know how all those drugs affect different parts of your body. They could really fuck someone up if they did not know what they were doing. A licensed massage therapist is doing more then just rubbing your body and that is why it is a felony not to be licensed.
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[QUOTE=Hard Working 19]I certainly hope no one relies on this drivel for legal advice.[/QUOTE]
I am not a lawyer so I never intended this to be legal advice. I simply repeated the law as I know it. There are some women on craigslist or bp who make it clear in their ads that they offer body rubs only, no massages. Some will even state that they are not licensed for massage. There is a very good reason they put this in their ads. But apparently you think you know better. Well please explain why you think someone who is not licensed can be charged with "practicing health care without a license", which is ALWAYS a felony. LE uses this tool when they raid an AMP. If an employee at an AMP offered sexual services, what happens? She gets arrested, charged with a misdemeanor and is bailed out within a few hours ready to do the same thing over again. If she gets charged with a felony, that can be used to deport her and maybe even shut the business down. It`s almost the same as when mobsters and other criminals are charged under the RICO act. Break a law or two, whats the penalty? These days not much. But if the government can show you are running a continually illegal enterprise they can group all of your crimes together and the penalties are much more severe, including deportation if you are in this country illegally.
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[QUOTE=Bill Ho]I agree with you Bush. It's one thing for someone to pretend to be a doctor, and something entirely different to pretend a body rub is a massage. Hard to understand. Hey, they reduces her bond from $5000 and $2500 to $1500 and $1000. I wonder what that is all about. Bill Ho[/QUOTE]
I saw that her bond was reduced. She obviously at this point has had her first court date and the judge for whatever reason reduced her bond. Maybe it was because she had no previous arrest record. The judge has the authority to reduce the bond on the prostitution and unlicensed health care charge but he has no authority to make immigration decisions, that is for a separate judge to decide. She certainly has some legal problems at this point
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[QUOTE=SpeedRacer29]I am not a lawyer so I never intended this to be legal advice. I simply repeated the law as I know it. There are some women on craigslist or bp who make it clear in their ads that they offer body rubs only, no massages. Some will even state that they are not licensed for massage. There is a very good reason they put this in their ads. But apparently you think you know better. Well please explain why you think someone who is not licensed can be charged with "practicing health care without a license", which is ALWAYS a felony. LE uses this tool when they raid an AMP. If an employee at an AMP offered sexual services, what happens? She gets arrested, charged with a misdemeanor and is bailed out within a few hours ready to do the same thing over again. If she gets charged with a felony, that can be used to deport her and maybe even shut the business down. It`s almost the same as when mobsters and other criminals are charged under the RICO act. Break a law or two, whats the penalty? These days not much. But if the government can show you are running a continually illegal enterprise they can group all of your crimes together and the penalties are much more severe, including deportation if you are in this country illegally.[/QUOTE]
I may be wrong, but it seems that most of the bust at AMPs were due to practicing massage without a license. Doesn't sound like drivel to me.
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[QUOTE=Clinton Bush]ISeems like unlicensed practice of massage shouldn't be a felony though. What is the worst that could happen? Someone is rubbed the wrong way? Why that is a felony is beyond me.[/QUOTE]
Actually, if you don't know what you're doing in providing certain types of massage services and related therapies (deep tissue, shiatsu, stretching, cupping, etc.) you can really hurt someone. Some massages can be extremely firm and very painful, if what you want to accomplish is to break down the knotted muscles, and you can cause injury if it's done improperly Also, it can be very dangerous to provide massage services to people with certain conditions. Pregnant women, for instance, can be induced to miscarriage if the therapist doesn't know what he/she is doing.
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Jantana
[QUOTE=Piratical]Actually, if you don't know what you're doing in providing certain types of massage services and related therapies (deep tissue, shiatsu, stretching, cupping, etc.) you can really hurt someone. Some massages can be extremely firm and very painful, if what you want to accomplish is to break down the knotted muscles, and you can cause injury if it's done improperly Also, it can be very dangerous to provide massage services to people with certain conditions. Pregnant women, for instance, can be induced to miscarriage if the therapist doesn't know what he/she is doing.[/QUOTE]
The only question remaining seems to be, where does the "massage without a licence" charge come from, when all of her ads and her web site only talk about providing "body rubs"? Is this something new? Body Rub without a licence? Bill Ho
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[QUOTE=SpeedRacer29]I am not a lawyer so I never intended this to be legal advice. I simply repeated the law as I know it. [/QUOTE]
You previous post made an absolute statement: "Nothing illegal about giving someone a body rub and getting paid for it. But you need a license to give a massage whether or not you charge for it." Florida statutes define massage as: "the manipulation of the soft tissues of the human body with the hand, foot, arm, or elbow, whether or not such manipulation is aided by hydrotherapy, including colonic irrigation, or thermal therapy; any electrical or mechanical device; or the application to the human body of a chemical or herbal preparation." Jantana's arrest was for manipulating the soft tissues of the human body without a license. She could call it a body rub or anything else she wanted and think she was not in violation of the law but as her arrest and the arrest of many others in the past proves that is not the case. No one has pointed out an advertisement where she claimed to provide massage and in fact her business cards identify her as a 'body rubber'. And just for you information, unlicensed practice of massage is not always a felony.
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Saw Devine..
Cute girl. Quick visit. We got right to business cause it was a short session. Decent body too. She posed and spread for me a bit, BBBJ (not the best I've had), to CG, doggie, asked if she would BBBJTC and she started to but complained about the condom taste and finished with a HJ. Not the best, but a nice release.
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[QUOTE=Bill Ho]The only question remaining seems to be, where does the "massage without a licence" charge come from, when all of her ads and her web site only talk about providing "body rubs"? Is this something new? Body Rub without a licence? Bill Ho[/QUOTE]
At some point, maybe by accident, she probably used the word massage. Or maybe the ULE used that word and she simply agreed to it and that was all that was needed to make an arrest. She needs a good lawyer.
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[QUOTE=Hard Working 19] And just for you information, unlicensed practice of massage is not always a felony.[/QUOTE]
And just for YOUR information..............unlicensed practice of massage falls under the broader charge of "unlicensed practice of a healthcare professional" and in Florida that is ALWAYS a felony. LE uses this tool to shut down problem AMPS. They have also used it to go after people who are injecting others with Botox. As has been stated by me and others, you could seriously hurt someone if you don`t know what you are doing. It`s no different than every home builder, electrician, plumber, roofer, cement contractor, etc. has to be licensed to operate a business. They must prove they can work safely and are knowledgeble of the local building codes. And depending on what work is being done, and the county it is being done in, they may be required to obtain a permit from the county before any job is started. The funny thing is, how many people who look thru the yellow pages for something as simple as a landscaper to cut down a tree in their yard will make sure that persons ad says "Licensed & Insured"? But they don`t seem to care if the person walking on their back, or kneading their muscles has any clue as to what they are doing. For those of you who have had the pleasure of getting a massage from Teri in Hyde Park (I count myself among the lucky) I guarentee you left there feeling totally relaxed and rejuvinated. Why? Because she has been trained and licensed for massages. Being on the receiving end of someone who has not been trained or licensed could leave you bent up like a pretzel and in extreme pain.
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[QUOTE=SpeedRacer29] And just for YOUR information..............unlicensed practice of massage falls under the broader charge of "unlicensed practice of a healthcare professional" and in Florida that is ALWAYS a felony. LE uses this tool to shut down problem AMPS. [/QUOTE]
Once again, you are talking out of your ass. Please read the following, especially section (2) near the end.:
480.047 Penalties.--
(1) It is unlawful for any person to:
(a) Hold himself or herself out as a massage therapist or to practice massage unless duly licensed under this chapter or unless otherwise specifically exempted from licensure under this chapter.
(b) Operate any massage establishment unless it has been duly licensed as provided herein, except that nothing herein shall be construed to prevent the teaching of massage in this state at a board-approved massage school.
(c) Permit an employed person to practice massage unless duly licensed as provided herein.
(d) Present as his or her own the license of another.
(e) Allow the use of his or her license by an unlicensed person.
(f) Give false or forged evidence to the department in obtaining any license provided for herein.
(g) Falsely impersonate any other licenseholder of like or different name.
(h) Use or attempt to use a license that has been revoked.
(i) Otherwise violate any of the provisions of this act.
(2) Any person violating the provisions of this section is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
History.--s. 16, ch. 78-436; s. 2, ch. 81-318; ss. 10, 12, 13, ch. 85-280; s. 58, ch. 89-374; s. 4, ch. 91-429; s. 414, ch. 97-103; s. 158, ch. 97-264.
[QUOTE=SpeedRacer29] Putting the "donation" somewhere other then directly in her hand was for her benefit. Because she did not quote you a specific price, had you been LE you could not have arrested her for agreeing to exchange sex for money. If your donation had been in an envelope and she did not look inside and/or count it there is no way to prove in court she knew there was money in the envelope. Your "donation" could have been anything.[/QUOTE]
Do you really think about what you are going to write before you sit down and begin tapping on the keyboard? If it were that easy, every prostitute in Florida would be using that tactic. "But your Honor, I was fucking Mr. Smith for free, not for the $200 in the envelope. I didn't even know there was money in it since I never touched it or looked in it."
[QUOTE=SpeedRacer29]What kind of "hints" did you give? When I see someone new I always make physical contact with the girl during the TS such as touching her tits or ass. LE is not allowed to do this and as such once you have made the first move, she will be more comfortable with you and offer any extras that may be available.[/QUOTE]
Check and see if Orlando based MBI allows it's agents to grab suspected prostitutes breasts. "The director of MBI defends his agent's behavior and claims the masseuse pulled up her shirt. “It is a technique folks engage in this industry to determine whether or not this is a law enforcement officer,” MBI director Phil Williams said."
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Another Agency Scam
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Nice try, they didn't scam me. I NEVER let a girl leave the room with the money and it never goes out of arm's length till the session is over. She got the "I'm ok, don't worry about me call." I should have known that whenever a girl gets that call, don't even bother continuing. I gave her the cash and she TRIED to say I have to give it to my boss. I said "YEAH RIGHT", snatched the cash out her hand, and left, after telling her I'd be reporting her attempt at her little scam.
Guys I NEVER GET SCAMMED, EVER. Why, because they don't get the cash till AFTER the session is completed. I leave it out in the open so they know I have it, but they don't get to touch it. These girls don't want to make a scene and neither do we. They provide the service, we pay them. The mistake I made from the onset was first of all going to this call in the first place. I always talk down the price, if they won't, then they're going to try to rip you off.
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[QUOTE=Hard Working 19]Once again, you are talking out of your ass. Please read the following, especially section (2) near the end.:
480.047 Penalties.--
(1) It is unlawful for any person to:
(a) Hold himself or herself out as a massage therapist or to practice massage unless duly licensed under this chapter or unless otherwise specifically exempted from licensure under this chapter.
(b) Operate any massage establishment unless it has been duly licensed as provided herein, except that nothing herein shall be construed to prevent the teaching of massage in this state at a board-approved massage school.
(c) Permit an employed person to practice massage unless duly licensed as provided herein.
(d) Present as his or her own the license of another.
(e) Allow the use of his or her license by an unlicensed person.
(f) Give false or forged evidence to the department in obtaining any license provided for herein.
(g) Falsely impersonate any other licenseholder of like or different name.
(h) Use or attempt to use a license that has been revoked.
(i) Otherwise violate any of the provisions of this act.
(2) Any person violating the provisions of this section is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
History.--s. 16, ch. 78-436; s. 2, ch. 81-318; ss. 10, 12, 13, ch. 85-280; s. 58, ch. 89-374; s. 4, ch. 91-429; s. 414, ch. 97-103; s. 158, ch. 97-264.
Do you really think about what you are going to write before you sit down and begin tapping on the keyboard? If it were that easy, every prostitute in Florida would be using that tactic. "But your Honor, I was fucking Mr. Smith for free, not for the $200 in the envelope. I didn't even know there was money in it since I never touched it or looked in it."
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OK............if it makes you happy, I am talking out of my ass. But the facts speak for themselves. Usually when a AMP gets busted someone is being charged with practicing health care without a license ( a felony). Perhaps it jumps from a misdemeanor to a felony when the offer of prostitution is involved. No different then a provider who is on felony probation getting busted for prostitution. That charge automatically gets upgraded to a felony. At that point its up to a judge to decide how the case proceeds.
As for the whole money in the envelope thing, I am correct there also. Look at all those ads on backpage, craigslist, etc.. How many girls subtitute words like hugs, lollipops, pieces of candy, smiles, roses, winks, etc. in place of the word dollars? Do you think they are just doing it to be cute? By doing that, and by insisting that you place the money anywhere but in her hand, a good lawyer can argue that she never offered to exchange sex for money. It may sound stupid to you and me, but technically and legally she never offered to commit prostitution. She never quoated a price, and by not looking in the envelope beforehand, she did not base the quality of your "date" on what may or may not have been in the envelope. Laws vary from state to state. In NC, you can be drunk, get into an accident and the police can`t charge you with DUI because they did not physically see you operate the car. I have witnessed this firsthand. NC law states that the police MUST see you operate the vehicle in a reckless manner before they can charge you with DUI. But in Florida the law states you can be charged with DUI if the cops find you in the drivers seat even if you are parked with the engine off. All they need is for you to be in physical control of the car. A good friend of mine who is a sheriffs deputy told me if you ever come out of a bar, find yourself too drunk to drive, sleep it off in the back seat. The cops can`t touch you. Why do you think so many people who are arrested get the charges thrown out? The cops know you did it, the judge is pretty sure you did it, the evidence points to you. But because the cops did not read you your rights before asking you any questions, or deny you access to a lawyer, a judge has no choice but to dismiss the charge. It`s a technicality, no different from the whole money in the envelope thing. All of us, including you, if we were to be arrested, we would all be looking for a technicality to get the charges thrown out. My ass is finished talking.
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Lisa
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