"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Click the icon of two bodies on the upper right hand screen next to the chat box icon. A list of "people you might know should appear".

Fb's logarithym for how they generate this is a tightly held secret, but for the most part should be relatively common sense. I suspect if you clicked on a profile, then fb will recommend you as someone that the person might know.

If you never used your real name, have a burner phone layered with GV, never brought a SB back to your house, don't have pictures of you, your so, your kids and your dog in the profile pic, and set your privacy filters to the highest and strongest settings, you won't have a problem.

You may need to explain to your so why you changed your profile pics to just the dog, but that's better than getting stalked by a crazy SB.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;2957287]Unless another brother has information otherwise I can say IMO they cannot determine you visited their FB page. Not only did I research this topic a few years ago bc of similar concerns, I recently started a 2nd FB account under my SA name. I have viewed my original account page from my 2nd account and saw no notifications of being viewed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2957452]Based on what you've typed, I suspect she already knows. There are a lot of ways they can find us out, just like we find out things about them sometimes.

Back when I was married, it was a long time before FB or any of that, I was always amazed that most of these girls just knew, after a few weeks of regular banging. These were girls you'd call a mix of civvy and SB, basically niteclub pickups that are looking for a bf with a nice job and regularly complain about money problems (actual sugar help optional but appreciated). The thing is in the first week or so, they didn't care or inquire or think about it. After a couple of weeks they would get more attached and then soon after the friction always seemed to build up, resulting in them crying, saying "damnit I know you're married why don't you just admit it?" and stuff like that.

My point is if you see them regularly they build increasing attachment and interest in you. I think yours is at the point where she's just starting to wonder (but maybe already knows). So I don't see a big benefit in keeping her going, what's the worst that can happen if you tell her the truth? Very worst she says she is looking for an SD that can grow into a real relationship or something, at which point you cut her loose and just get a new one. But yeah it's okay that you lied about it before, just say something like you're still in denial about the whole thing and were not ready to cope with it on the surface until now or something to that effect. She might get pissed but I doubt it, and at least you've nipped any future uncomfortable attachment in the bud.[/QUOTE]Jeez. I have always felt I owe you a beer if we ever have the opportunity to meet, but I am now upgrading that statement to a steak dinner at the restaurant of your choice. Once again you have come through not only in a much appreciated timely fashion but with another "nail on the head" opinion. Thank you. Seriously.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2957434]For LI, almost certainly yes, to the best of my knowledge a LI user will see everyone that directly viewed them (unless they've made a change here). About FB, I'm not sure, there was a time that it was putting people that had viewed you repeatedly into "people you may know", so based on what I saw there, there could be enough for her to see your pic come up there. I'd like to give more certain answers here, but the nature of social media is that they are constantly making changes, so the way it worked the last time I experimented with them may not be the way they work tomorrow.

What I'd recommend is get in the habit of only looking at them in private mode in a browser (at a minimum), ensuring that whatever browser you are using isn't tracking you across those sites. To be really safe have a dedicated computer for your "play" activities or set up a virtual machine (depending how technical you want to get) to separate your SD fun from regular computing.

And this one is going to sting a little, but if you value your SO, I'd just call off any existing POTS that you may have accidentally revealed your identity to, because once they know who you are you can never take it back. There will be plenty of SBs in the future. But now you need to be extra careful, because a lot of the SBs you talk to have friends on the site you may also have already corresponded to, so you may be talking to one that you've stayed anonymous to, but then she shares a picture with one of her friends you talked to before that saw your LI or FB profile.[/QUOTE]I concluded pretty much the same. I was trying to get intel yesterday on a POT who's very public. Too public for my comfort, and maybe a ball-buster. I also searched for a new 22 yo POT today and hit her LI profile. LinkedIn on my machines has a weird property that even if I logged out, it seems to be on if I go to the URL. I don't recall which browser. Likely on private, but. So, I can't be sure about the risk. I spent a lot of time on LI to see if I could suspend, but there's no way to do that, so I just shut the thing down. Provided they weren't on their linked ins, I believe I won't show up even if it did record me. I don't have any inkling that these SBs would be in contact with any others. My spread geographically is large.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2957546]Click the icon of two bodies on the upper right hand screen next to the chat box icon. A list of "people you might know should appear".

Fb's logarithym for how they generate this is a tightly held secret, but for the most part should be relatively common sense. I suspect if you clicked on a profile, then fb will recommend you as someone that the person might know.

If you never used your real name, have a burner phone layered with GV, never brought a SB back to your house, don't have pictures of you, your so, your kids and your dog in the profile pic, and set your privacy filters to the highest and strongest settings, you won't have a problem.

You may need to explain to your so why you changed your profile pics to just the dog, but that's better than getting stalked by a crazy SB.[/QUOTE]I did click those two bodies and get a great list of people who could be friends. Even better, FB lists why in many cases (mutual friends, etc.). Some have nothing listed, which must be b / c I visited their page, making it easy to find the risky ones. So that is extremely helpful to know if I was on her page. It she's not there, it wasn't while I was logged into my own FB.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;2957588]Jeez. I have always felt I owe you a beer if we ever have the opportunity to meet, but I am now upgrading that statement to a steak dinner at the restaurant of your choice. Once again you have come through not only in a much appreciated timely fashion but with another "nail on the head" opinion. Thank you. Seriously.[/QUOTE]Glad to help when I can.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;2957612]I concluded pretty much the same. I was trying to get intel yesterday on a POT who's very public. Too public for my comfort, and maybe a ball-buster. I also searched for a new 22 yo POT today and hit her LI profile. LinkedIn on my machines has a weird property that even if I logged out, it seems to be on if I go to the URL. I don't recall which browser. Likely on private, but. So, I can't be sure about the risk. I spent a lot of time on LI to see if I could suspend, but there's no way to do that, so I just shut the thing down. Provided they weren't on their linked ins, I believe I won't show up even if it did record me. I don't have any inkling that these SBs would be in contact with any others. My spread geographically is large.[/QUOTE]Sounds like the LI thing is just due to a site cookie. One thing you can do is just create another user account on your computer to keep all your SD activity separate. That way the website cookies won't intermingle and you can change the desktop background to help keep remember which one you're using at any given time. Just make sure SO doesn't have password to that account and that you can explain it away if she ever uses that computer.

I can't imagine that profiles before being revised are saved. Can you imagine the server space necessary for that?

I also mess with my "stats. ". One profile was revised to make me an overweight man of Mideast descent who is under 5 ft tall. That profile was making millions per year and is willing to provide an allowance at the "high" expectation level.

It continues to receive messages from pots that are looking to land their white whale.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2957305]I do the same. It's unlikely they're saving revisions of profiles so the last one sticks.[/QUOTE]

I am about lite sugar. I f I have an interest and I think she has potential to be a 1-1 SB. I will give maybe a small gift card after our first meet and mention I enjoyed meeting her and here is a little something so she knows I am serious about seeing her again. I mean along the lines of $25 . Heck. Even a gas card. If they are a genuine SB9 My definition being looking for 1 SD) then they are happy with the gift and a rue SB will likely take 3+ meets before bedding.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2957194]FWIW I think you're approaching it fine already. As long as you remember the golden rule of no sugar from you until you get sugar from them, you won't have to worry about getting burned. Just turn a blind eye to the ones that want money just to meet for dinner or whatever. You'll develop your own style. For example I never get into money negotiations, I just gift them after the fact, but plenty of others do and it works for them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2958598]I am about lite sugar. I f I have an interest and I think she has potential to be a 1-1 SB. I will give maybe a small gift card after our first meet and mention I enjoyed meeting her and here is a little something so she knows I am serious about seeing her again. I mean along the lines of $25 . Heck. Even a gas card. If they are a genuine SB9 My definition being looking for 1 SD) then they are happy with the gift and a rue SB will likely take 3+ meets before bedding.[/QUOTE]Yeah if it's working for you, then keep on keeping on. By no sugar up front I just meant no big payments just for showing up at the dinner table or whatever. I should probably disclose that it's not uncommon for me to spend $150 or more on dinner and drinks before we ever enter the FC, half of which is consumed by me, which to some extent could be considered sugar before the FC.

Tell me about the terms you are using (SB9, rue SB, 1-1 SB). I don't spend much time on USASG outside of this thread (and even this I sometimes go weeks without following), so if there are terms for categorizing SBs that are picking up momentum I'd be interested in either a summary or a link.

Just logged on for the first time in months. Good to see some of the old timers still here!

What an informative thread this is, gentlemen.

I have my fake FB page with fake pictures and fake profile. Never visit anyone in my real world from that page. Unlike a lot of you, I keep a tight stable and don't wander too much. I have a few friends here in RIC, a couple in MB and a few have scattered across the country. Only had one go rogue on me and had to be deleted.

One of my babies is bi and her friend was having some money problems. She suggested the three of us get together for some afternoon delight. I gave her some cash and she checked us into a local notel. She actually told the desk clerk we only needed the room for a couple hours. Since then the three of us have made it a regular thing. My SB is tall, thin with a beautiful face and ass. Pierced nipples are an added bonus. Her friend is five foot nothin and a true tight spinner. And a model to boot.

I don't deserve this, my friends.

FB is a fine place to keep your babies if you want to keep them for a while.

Hello All,

I want to share my todays experience. I chatted with 20 year BOS college girl, red head, slim, 5. 6. Her pics were awesome. We chatted and decided to meet after 1 hour. She gave a figure of 200 to 300 and I offered 200 for 2-3 hours visit. She agreed. I booked a room and drove to hotel. I agreed to book a uber taxi for her as she can't afford (she told me). She only asked to exchange our numbers and then we texted with updates. At the last minute, she said she can only stay for 30-1 hour. I said we need to be more or may be we can book another time. She apologized me and said meet next week and in 5 min deactivated the profile. She had joined sA yesterday. I realized she was panicked or someone suggest her she can get more money.

Then I texted her and asked if she is not interested so that I won't text. She replied she is not interested.

Seniors. Any suggestion? What could be gone wrong or this happens?

Thanks in advance for reading this.

Hello Seniors- I have read multiple threads abouts meet & greet allowance. In may boston area, I see many girls ask for that. I haven't given anyone so far so they don't meet me. Not sure what I will do. Don't know if people in my area give this allowance. Few girls ask pre-meet allowance to legitimize. Not sure what to do.

I appreciate any tip.

Thanks!!

[QUOTE=CoolRaj;2958859]Hello Seniors- I have read multiple threads abouts meet & greet allowance. In may boston area, I see many girls ask for that. I haven't given anyone so far so they don't meet me. Not sure what I will do. Don't know if people in my area give this allowance. Few girls ask pre-meet allowance to legitimize. Not sure what to do.

I appreciate any tip.

Thanks!![/QUOTE]When I was working the bowl on a regular basis I had two SBs ask for sugar after a nice meal. I told them I had some sugar at home if they would like to hang out. When they said no thanks I assumed it was a rinse job.

She flake out, she is 20. I see many girls who I message deactivate their profiles within a week or two. $200 may have been too cheap for 2-3 hours, I know that is a perfect dream here and I live in a poorer area than Boston.

[QUOTE=CoolRaj;2958854]Hello All,

I want to share my todays experience. I chatted with 20 year BOS college girl, red head, slim, 5. 6. Her pics were awesome. We chatted and decided to meet after 1 hour. She gave a figure of 200 to 300 and I offered 200 for 2-3 hours visit. She agreed. I booked a room and drove to hotel. I agreed to book a uber taxi for her as she can't afford (she told me). She only asked to exchange our numbers and then we texted with updates. At the last minute, she said she can only stay for 30-1 hour. I said we need to be more or may be we can book another time. She apologized me and said meet next week and in 5 min deactivated the profile. She had joined sA yesterday. I realized she was panicked or someone suggest her she can get more money.

Then I texted her and asked if she is not interested so that I won't text. She replied she is not interested.

Seniors. Any suggestion? What could be gone wrong or this happens?

Thanks in advance for reading this.[/QUOTE]

They are my own terms. LOL. SB) was a typo. Just meant SB 1-1 is meaning I look for a monogamous situation with my SB.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2958650]Yeah if it's working for you, then keep on keeping on. By no sugar up front I just meant no big payments just for showing up at the dinner table or whatever. I should probably disclose that it's not uncommon for me to spend $150 or more on dinner and drinks before we ever enter the FC, half of which is consumed by me, which to some extent could be considered sugar before the FC.

Tell me about the terms you are using (SB9, rue SB, 1-1 SB). I don't spend much time on USASG outside of this thread (and even this I sometimes go weeks without following), so if there are terms for categorizing SBs that are picking up momentum I'd be interested in either a summary or a link.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CoolRaj;2958859]Hello Seniors- I have read multiple threads abouts meet & greet allowance. In may boston area, I see many girls ask for that. I haven't given anyone so far so they don't meet me. Not sure what I will do. Don't know if people in my area give this allowance. Few girls ask pre-meet allowance to legitimize. Not sure what to do.

I appreciate any tip.

Thanks!![/QUOTE]There should be plenty of girls to meet without the paying. Stick to your guns, never pay for m / g. Alot of guys gift girls at m / g but this just gives the girls the thought its pay to show and expect it from from next guy. Whatever you decide to do, coffee, dinner or whatever is sufficient for the m / g.

[QUOTE=CoolRaj;2958854]Hello All,

I want to share my todays experience. I chatted with 20 year BOS college girl, red head, slim, 5. 6. Her pics were awesome. We chatted and decided to meet after 1 hour. She gave a figure of 200 to 300 and I offered 200 for 2-3 hours visit. She agreed. I booked a room and drove to hotel. I agreed to book a uber taxi for her as she can't afford (she told me). She only asked to exchange our numbers and then we texted with updates. At the last minute, she said she can only stay for 30-1 hour. I said we need to be more or may be we can book another time. She apologized me and said meet next week and in 5 min deactivated the profile. She had joined sA yesterday. I realized she was panicked or someone suggest her she can get more money.

Then I texted her and asked if she is not interested so that I won't text. She replied she is not interested.

Seniors. Any suggestion? What could be gone wrong or this happens?

Thanks in advance for reading this.[/QUOTE]If she deactivated more than likely a about of conscience set in. Your negotiating sex by hour and made her feel like an escort, which was something she wasn't prepared for.

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2959088]They are my own terms. LOL. SB) was a typo. Just meant SB 1-1 is meaning I look for a monogamous situation with my SB.[/QUOTE]LOL. Got it, thought I was falling behind on industry jargon there for a min.

[QUOTE=CoolRaj;2958854]Hello All,

I want to share my todays experience. I chatted with 20 year BOS college girl, red head, slim, 5. 6. Her pics were awesome. We chatted and decided to meet after 1 hour. She gave a figure of 200 to 300 and I offered 200 for 2-3 hours visit. She agreed. I booked a room and drove to hotel. I agreed to book a uber taxi for her as she can't afford (she told me). She only asked to exchange our numbers and then we texted with updates. At the last minute, she said she can only stay for 30-1 hour. I said we need to be more or may be we can book another time. She apologized me and said meet next week and in 5 min deactivated the profile. She had joined sA yesterday. I realized she was panicked or someone suggest her she can get more money.

Then I texted her and asked if she is not interested so that I won't text. She replied she is not interested.

Seniors. Any suggestion? What could be gone wrong or this happens?

Thanks in advance for reading this.[/QUOTE]Raj,

Sounds like she was UTR or just an overt BP girl. Hopefully, you were able to cancel the room and didn't get stuck with the charge.

Usually when a woman agrees to meet you right away at the FC, she's a UTR. So, you can look at it just like a BP meet except you're paying for the hotel- not exactly a bargain.

You didn't do to badly here. You avoided getting scammed by a BP girl. Stay the course, you'll get there.

BR.

[QUOTE=CoolRaj;2958859]Hello Seniors- I have read multiple threads abouts meet & greet allowance. In may boston area, I see many girls ask for that. I haven't given anyone so far so they don't meet me. Not sure what I will do. Don't know if people in my area give this allowance. Few girls ask pre-meet allowance to legitimize. Not sure what to do.

I appreciate any tip.

Thanks!![/QUOTE]Approach it along the lines of you want to get to know her and you wouldn't expect any intimacy without chemistry just as she shouldn't expect sugar without intimacy. She'll come back with her time is valuable blah blah, but tell her your time is valuable as well.

Good hunting!

[QUOTE=CoolRaj;2958854]I agreed to book a uber taxi for her as she can't afford (she told me). [/QUOTE]While I applaud one's creativity in getting the girl to you, isn't there a risk of doing this?

Is there a way to sign up on Uber without giving a CC and sharing one's personal information? Or am I being too paranoid?

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2959333]While I applaud one's creativity in getting the girl to you, isn't there a risk of doing this?

Is there a way to sign up on Uber without giving a CC and sharing one's personal information? Or am I being too paranoid?[/QUOTE]I've wondered about this, I assume Uber drivers have the customer's name? So if she asks him she's got it, not a good idea if anonymity is needed. Maybe someone who does this a lot can comment. I would probably just call a cab for her and meet her at drop off and pay the driver cash, risk removed. The times I've had to deal with it in the past I told them to just take a cab and I will reimburse. If they can't afford cab fare to get there they are probably too desperate / nando for me anyway.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2959362]I've wondered about this, I assume Uber drivers have the customer's name? So if she asks him she's got it, not a good idea if anonymity is needed. Maybe someone who does this a lot can comment. I would probably just call a cab for her and meet her at drop off and pay the driver cash, risk removed. The times I've had to deal with it in the past I told them to just take a cab and I will reimburse. If they can't afford cab fare to get there they are probably too desperate / nando for me anyway.[/QUOTE]You can create an uber account under any name provided you've an email address. Use an alias, and then add your real card would work. I'm actually considering trying to create an account with a gift card. I'll report back.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2959362] I would probably just call a cab for her and meet her at drop off and pay the driver cash, risk removed.[/QUOTE]If you are meeting at the hotel, and privacy is an issue for you, now here you are in front of a hotel, paying a cab driver and a PYT piles out and follows you into the hotel and up to your room.

I told one baby I would send a cab to pick her up and take her to the hotel and I would join her soon after her arrival. It was suprisingly difficult to find a cab company that woudl do a 3rd party Credit Card charge -- I guess they have been burned alot by bum and fraudulent card usage.

Finally had to tell someone it was an employee I was bringing in for an interview (picked her up at Train station in town), blah blah blah. That seemed to make it sound legit to them.

[QUOTE=CoolRaj;2958854]Hello All,

I want to share my todays experience. I chatted with 20 year BOS college girl, red head, slim, 5. 6. Her pics were awesome. We chatted and decided to meet after 1 hour. She gave a figure of 200 to 300 and I offered 200 for 2-3 hours visit. She agreed. I booked a room and drove to hotel. I agreed to book a uber taxi for her as she can't afford (she told me). She only asked to exchange our numbers and then we texted with updates. At the last minute, she said she can only stay for 30-1 hour. I said we need to be more or may be we can book another time. She apologized me and said meet next week and in 5 min deactivated the profile. She had joined sA yesterday. I realized she was panicked or someone suggest her she can get more money.

Then I texted her and asked if she is not interested so that I won't text. She replied she is not interested.

Seniors. Any suggestion? What could be gone wrong or this happens?

Thanks in advance for reading this.[/QUOTE]A lot of possibilities here, but the fact her profile was new is probably the biggest problem. She's getting flooded with responses from people who have filters set to newest profiles, trying to get a feel for what she can ask, maybe questioning herself on whether she wants to do this or not, trying to prioritize the SDs that are making better offers, or all the above. Then again I don't like to see someone who has had a long-standing profile on there, I start to wonder if they are a career SB. Not always the case since they may have found a monogamous SD and deactivated for a while, but I do pay attention to join date. When they hide it, it just makes them look more rode hard and put away wet to me.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2959451]If you are meeting at the hotel, and privacy is an issue for you, now here you are in front of a hotel, paying a cab driver and a PYT piles out and follows you into the hotel and up to your room.

I told one baby I would send a cab to pick her up and take her to the hotel and I would join her soon after her arrival. It was suprisingly difficult to find a cab company that woudl do a 3rd party Credit Card charge -- I guess they have been burned alot by bum and fraudulent card usage.

Finally had to tell someone it was an employee I was bringing in for an interview (picked her up at Train station in town), blah blah blah. That seemed to make it sound legit to them.[/QUOTE]Well for me privacy is an issue in terms of not wanting to reveal too much info about myself to the girl, but in terms of the hotel staff knowing that I'm getting ready to pound some young college chick, it doesn't bother me. In fact its kind of funny. It's happened more than once, last time it happened and I could feel the people in the lobby gawking / gossiping, watching what I was going to do so I just gave them a show, grabbing her and giving her an inappropriately public deep tongue kiss there in front of everybody there in the lobby (small cafe and bar in front) and sent her on her way, and I enjoyed all the smirky looks from these jealous and miserable prudes as I walked back to the elevator to my room. She was barely into her freshman year (kind of a innocent type that cares a lot about her self-image), so the shock value and "OMG" effect was fun for her too. When she got back to her dorm she immediately started texting me that's the most fun she's had in a long time and can't wait to see me again. LOL. But yeah in terms of hotel staff / cab drivers they see their fair share of that and I think are un phased.

Usually I like to see them pay their own cab fare or whatever to get there. I figure if they can't come up with twenty bucks or whatever and can't trust me to reimburse them there's probably no point in continuing anyway.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2959416]You can create an uber account under any name provided you've an email address. Use an alias, and then add your real card would work. I'm actually considering trying to create an account with a gift card. I'll report back.[/QUOTE]So they bill straight to CC instead of thru app store?

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2959474]So they bill straight to CC instead of thru app store?[/QUOTE]Correct. They bill to a CC. Nothing goes through the Appstore so a gift card with a hundred or so on it will give a fair number of rides.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2959493]Correct. They bill to a CC. Nothing goes through the Appstore so a gift card with a hundred or so on it will give a fair number of rides.[/QUOTE]How readily do you find girls give you their address if they haven't met you yet (this is when this scenario comes up with me)? I look at it like asking them to grab their own cab then I reimburse gives them some peace of mind, too, because if I say what's your address I'll send a car it might scare them into cancelling, assuming first date.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2959498]How readily do you find girls give you their address if they haven't met you yet (this is when this scenario comes up with me)? I look at it like asking them to grab their own cab then I reimburse gives them some peace of mind, too, because if I say what's your address I'll send a car it might scare them into cancelling, assuming first date.[/QUOTE]Just tell them to walk to a busy corner or nearby store. Of course, this may not work well in the burbs.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2959541]Just tell them to walk to a busy corner or nearby store. Of course, this may not work well in the burbs.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that would work in a lot of cases. So far I haven't had much resistance to them calling a cab, but I'll keep uber in mind as an option.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2959675]Yeah, that would work in a lot of cases. So far I haven't had much resistance to them calling a cab, but I'll keep uber in mind as an option.[/QUOTE]I'm curious to see if one can set up & use Uber with a gift card? Theoretically it makes sense, just want to see it confirmed as having worked.

I know the charges go directly to a CC, so with a regular one, I assume the driver has that info and can share it with the girl if she asks / persuades?

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2959919]I'm curious to see if one can set up & use Uber with a gift card? Theoretically it makes sense, just want to see it confirmed as having worked.

I know the charges go directly to a CC, so with a regular one, I assume the driver has that info and can share it with the girl if she asks / persuades?[/QUOTE]I'd have to leave more informed responses up to those who use Uber a lot, but I think you're referring to using something like a prepaid CC versus a regular one? From what's been said here in the thread over the last couple of days, I don't think that's necessary because the apparently Uber driver would never see your name on the CC (but perhaps the name on your Uber account). Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they hide even that information from the driver, because there were some cases in the past regarding the safety of female passengers (there have been sexual assaults by Uber drivers), so I wouldn't be surprised if they have changed procedure such that drivers are shielded from knowing enough to stalk their passengers. An in depth research job on that would be a good topic for this board I think (i.e. how much can the driver possibly know about either their passenger or the person ordering the ride, or both).

Meanwhile, I was hoping there was a way to just set up an Uber gift credit I could shoot straight to the girl on her phone (instead of asking where to send the driver, just give her the credit directly). Apparently they used to have this but now it's a bit of a cluster-fuck. It doesn't sound like something that would work well in a last-minute situation (which is how most of the cab-needs I've seen happen), it's something that would take hours or days of planning. Couple of links on that here:

[URL]http://www.wikihow.com/Give-Uber-Credit-As-a-Gift[/URL]

[URL]http://lyftubernewsletter.com/how-to-purchase-an-uber-gift-card/[/URL]

The first time I arranged to get together with a cute, curvy black girl she asked if it was ok if a gf drove her to the hotel because her car was in the shop. They both showed up at the door and her cute, thin white friend asked if she could join us. That's how I got started with the double team bunnies and it has been quite a ride since then. They play with each other. They play with me. I fuck one while the other watches. One sucks me while the other watches. They suck me together. I fuck one while she kisses / sucks / eats the other. We do triangles and trains (one sitting on my face, the other sitting on my cock as they kiss and fondle each other; I sit on one's face while the other eats her out, or I fuck her doggy while the other eats my ass and the one getting fucked doggy eats her out; the combinations are almost endless). One licks and whispers filthy things in my ear while the other licks / sucks / fucks me. They both give my cock, balls and ass a wet, sucking tongue bath. One licks the other's tits / clit / ass while I am fucking the other. They snowball my cum. And my absolute favorite: one tongue fucks my ass while the other gives me hot, sloppy DT etc, etc, etc. It is absolutely WILD!

Life can be VERY good my brothers.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2959118]There should be plenty of girls to meet without the paying. Stick to your guns, never pay for m / g. Alot of guys gift girls at m / g but this just gives the girls the thought its pay to show and expect it from from next guy. Whatever you decide to do, coffee, dinner or whatever is sufficient for the m / g.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot for the information.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2959131]If she deactivated more than likely a about of conscience set in. Your negotiating sex by hour and made her feel like an escort, which was something she wasn't prepared for.[/QUOTE]Thank a lot sir for the information. You are right. May I should be agreed and told her this time you can go early and next time we will try to spend little more time.

[QUOTE=EnzoAmore;2959067]She flake out, she is 20. I see many girls who I message deactivate their profiles within a week or two. $200 may have been too cheap for 2-3 hours, I know that is a perfect dream here and I live in a poorer area than Boston.[/QUOTE]Yes it might be cheaper. I have done around for 200-300 with college girls who are here on summer vacation. Thanks a lot for information.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2959172]Raj,

Sounds like she was UTR or just an overt BP girl. Hopefully, you were able to cancel the room and didn't get stuck with the charge.

Usually when a woman agrees to meet you right away at the FC, she's a UTR. So, you can look at it just like a BP meet except you're paying for the hotel- not exactly a bargain.

You didn't do to badly here. You avoided getting scammed by a BP girl. Stay the course, you'll get there.

BR.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot Mr BikeRider for your support!! Yes I was able to cancel the hotel room. I will try to search BP and her number and see something pop up. I will take care that in future. Thanks again!!

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;2960161]The first time I arranged to get together with a cute, curvy black girl she asked if it was ok if a gf drove her to the hotel because her car was in the shop. They both showed up at the door and her cute, thin white friend asked if she could join us. That's how I got started with the double team bunnies and it has been quite a ride since then. They play with each other. They play with me. I fuck one while the other watches. One sucks me while the other watches. They suck me together. I fuck one while she kisses / sucks / eats the other. We do triangles and trains (one sitting on my face, the other sitting on my cock as they kiss and fondle each other; I sit on one's face while the other eats her out, or I fuck her doggy while the other eats my ass and the one getting fucked doggy eats her out; the combinations are almost endless). One licks and whispers filthy things in my ear while the other licks / sucks / fucks me. They both give my cock, balls and ass a wet, sucking tongue bath. One licks the other's tits / clit / ass while I am fucking the other. They snowball my cum. And my absolute favorite: one tongue fucks my ass while the other gives me hot, sloppy DT etc, etc, etc. It is absolutely WILD!

Life can be VERY good my brothers.[/QUOTE]Looks like you hit the jackpot. They both look like fine looking younger women. Keep it going.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;2960161]Life can be VERY good my brothers.[/QUOTE]A comment, then a question. First let me say these two young ladies have that "100% USDA Certified UTR" look about them Did you meet them on a sugar site or CL?

But, SB vs UTR discussion and all that side, the fact that they're posing for the cam is something I've wanted to discuss here. What kind of reaction are other brothers getting from SBs if you try to photograph or film them (sexually I mean)?

I find that, in the days of revenge porn and so forth, most of the girls I've approached with this have an immediate negative reaction to being filmed. Back in the day of Hi8 mm camcorders, whenever I suggested making a little amateur porn film with a girl, most of the time I asked they were cool with it as long as they got to watch it too. But that was before people realized the high likelihood of their porn tape ending up on the interwebs somewhere without their permission.

It's not just with "pure" SBs, either. A couple of times I have encountered girls who are a bit on the wild side, and come across as UTR-like. I'm generally not interested in these, but would possibly be if they are open to doing an amateur porn shoot. Usually when I ask about it, they will say something like "Hmmm, never thought about that one before", then its obvious by their diminishing responses that it scared them off. The ironic thing is, they don't know that when I promise not to share the video or stills with anyone, that I mean it. Even to this day I've got many hours of vids I made on analog tape that I never shared, not even with close friends.

I know it stands to reason that no reasonably intelligent SB with a future / who cares about her reputation is going to risk letting their SD film them fucking in a day where everything gets over-shared, but I'm curious how many of you out there have found success with requesting this as your preferred kink. I'm sure if I stayed with one SB long enough and built up some level of trust, some would be down with it, but I'd love to find a true SB that's open-minded enough with it on the first date or two.