Hormones! Perhaps our biggest hurdle.
I've talked in the past about my relationship with my live-in GF, and how I find the goal of sustaining an ongoing long-term relationship far more challenging than just the act of picking up women and getting laid, and certainly more so than running game in order to maximize fun with SBs. It really is one of the more difficult things I've ever done.
If you don't live with SB, it's not as important to pay attention to cyclical hormone stages (in fact you may not even really be able to if you see her a couple of times a month, because she may or may not even be honest with you about when her period is or whatever), but if you do know where in the cycle she is, it can sometimes work to your advantage. I try to occasionally re-educate myself on the matter, because I find the whole "female cycle" thing to be difficult to remember (or perhaps one of those things I'd like to forget).
But the two links below serve a greater purpose than predicting SB behavior. Notice how the female blogger describes the female hormone cycle in a way that reads kind of like an informative public health message, but when she gets to the male testosterone cycle, she starts feeing her readers tips on how to manipulate men, when best to get what they want from him, etc. Yet, feminism or misandry in general has nothing to do with her overall agenda. I think this alone tells you as much about the female mind as the information itself.
Also notice how it's dead simple to time the cycle for getting what you want from males (only have to know the time of day), and incredibly complicated for getting same results from females (cycle spans a month and varies from girl to girl, etc). This means it is much easier for them to use our hormones to their benefit than it is for us to do same to them. In fact, I don't even read this kind of stuff in order to use it as a weapon against them, it's more like a defense mechanism when you deal with the same female on a daily basis. Disaster avoidance strategy. LOL.
[URL]http://hormonehoroscope.com/the-female-hormone-cycle/[/URL]
[URL]http://hormonehoroscope.com/the-male-hormone-cycle/[/URL]
I'm not sure if there's a way to track the cycle of SBs we only see occasionally (at least not for me because my encounters with them are fleeting), but sometimes its possible to make educated guesses about where they are based on their behavior and act accordingly. And yes, if you're paying her an allowance, that will often win out over whatever her hormones are telling her to do. But using her hormones to your advantage, like negotiating on things when she is most agreeable, can pay off in certain ways like lower allowance or better sex.
SB with no sugar is just a "BABE".
[QUOTE=Starkey2008;2956943] ... And I do question the way some of the guys on here view the bowl as something SO different. Bottom line, if a young girl is being compensated by you, and she is going to the FC with you, but wouldn't go if you were not compensating her, she is a PRO. And if she is going to the FC with you and you are not compensating her, then like it or not, you have a SO (at least in her eyes). There are levels of pros to be sure, but a pro is still a pro.[/QUOTE]That's the true test to see if it's real. Cut the sugar off "OR" it gets to the point where she's no longer asking. Once it's SO type of relationship it's solid and the emotional exchange is more genuine. Now granted if you had no money at all and not able to sustain the basics you'd have problems with the SB or GF, wife, etc. , That's just the nature of women. They want stability.
Another aspect of this is that girls like the SD dynamic. Ideally, they want an SD that they don't feel weird about introducing to close friends and maybe family. The feedback I've gotten from girls is that most of the guys on SA are creeps and constantly propositioning a pay-per-play exchange. Once they find a guy that checks most boxes and is somewhat decent you've got one over on the 20's something guys that are constantly chasing her.
Good points, couple questions?
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Another aspect of this is that girls like the SD dynamic. Ideally, they want an SD that they don't feel weird about introducing to close friends and maybe family. The feedback I've gotten from girls is that most of the guys on SA are creeps and constantly propositioning a pay-per-play exchange. Once they find a guy that checks most boxes and is somewhat decent you've got one over on the 20's something guys that are constantly chasing her.[/QUOTE]A couple points (I'd love feedback). I'm married, so introducing to anyone is out of the question. On the second part, I'm afraid I may be guilty of that (I just started SA a few days ago). It's not even that I'm strictly pushing p2 p, but from what I've seen there's a large number of girls on SA who it feels like are probably inclined to lead you on and never actually deliver. Any advice on how to handle that? The tactic I've been using are, once the conversation kind of approaches that point, mentioning the fact that I really do want the friendship and am totally fine waiting on the benefits until we are both completely comfortable with such, but because those women exist I'm not really establishing / paying an allowance until we are both fully comfortable to go to the next level. End result being I'm describing p2 p, which I'm sure the girls notice, but trying to explain my reasons honestly and logically?
Should we ever confess to the SO denial?
I have been in the bowl for a year and have had a 6 month weekly SB, and a couple of 3 month weekly SBs, but always working a 2 to 4 girl rotation. For the first six months I listed myself on SA as Widowed when in fact I have a SO (married 25 years, celibate with her for 20). Then I switched to listing myself as Single. My current SB is a 19 yr old submissive bi-curious bsdm type who I recruited 6 weeks ago from SA to be a 3rd with my bi sexual SB I was seeing at the time. I dropped her and quickly switched to the 19 yr old. We started off weekly but have now set it up to meet 6 times a month some of which will include FMF "sessions" (I have been recruiting additional 3 rds to set up a M & G then to the FC as a FMF. We have had one already and I have 4 more available). So it is safe to say I have a hot number and do not want to easily lose her. My financial support has been 250 per visit which is 50 more than my cap, but we generally spend 6 to 8 hours together, while for our first overnight this past week I gave her 350. All gift envelopes are a blend of $ and gift cards.
At my second visit she asked me if I was single and I said yes. Today was our 6th time together but our first out of the FC, she started her period so I took her out to lunch and then to a park. (I gave her a $ 50 gift card to one of her favorite stores). It was instinctively clear to me at lunch and at the park that she knows I have a SO. After dropping some hints that she knew more than she let on she asked me point plank if I was single, again I said yes. I generally cover my tracks very well, but I know she has seen one of my business checks (I am self employed as a consultant). The business name on the check uses an acronym for the business and is not listed in the state corporation directory and does not show up on Google. The PO box address does show up on google way down the entries. Perhaps she got someone to run the tag on my car.
I had an opportunity at the park to confess about my SO but I was not 100 % sober and wanted to be in control of the details. I have no fear of her contacting my SO but I do have a concern that her outstanding FWB attitude will lose some of its playfulness. Personally, I would much rather have a FWB / authentic GFE than a NSA type who leaves her emotions at the door. Meanwhile we are scheduled for 2 nights next week, the first of which will be overnight and may have 2 M & G s with POT "thirds". But I was almost expecting to all that canceled with a Kiss-off text by the time I got home. I will have one other signal that will give me a clue. She has hinted at closing her SA account but says she likes to read the SD profiles and messages. She has been off the site this week but if she gets back on it frequently between now and my next visit then that will say something, but if she does not then maybe that tells me she will stick around and accept my SO cover-up. So the question to the brothers is this: Should I confess (in person) to having a SO and admit that I had lied previously, or should I hold on to my SO cover-up?
