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[QUOTE=Khurg;1380923]Most UC wear a hat or something that covers their ears. Keeps you from noticing their earpiece that keeps them in contact with their protection.[/QUOTE]Not true. Got busted a few years back in April. The decoy was wearing a wire so no ear piece, no radio buldge. If the are within earshot of another UC they sometimes don't evn wear a wire.
[QUOTE=Khurg;1380923]Most UC wear a hat or something that covers their ears. Keeps you from noticing their earpiece that keeps them in contact with their protection.[/QUOTE]If it were so easy as that to spot UC then no one would ever get busted by them. There are no hard and fast rules to spotting UC as their tactics always change and evolve to stay one step ahead. You are trying to oversimplify something that can not be simplified because it is way more complicated than you seem to grasp. There are infinite variables most of which we are not aware of.
[QUOTE=Gator145; 1380649]Gee, to tell you the truth I'm not really sure how to tell UC from regular SWS. In this particular instance I relied heavily on the info given to me from the person I was talking to. That person being quite reliable. Also the person in question was being very bossy to this person in a commanding way. Not average street lingo. Not to mention I had never seen this person before and I am aware of a good many of the girls on the stroll. Many of them know me and go out of their way to help cover my butt. As is the case here. Truthfully I'm glad she gave me that info.
As noted by other well meaning responders I cannot be certain beyond a doubt. Now, my unasked for advice is to be very careful when confronted with this situation. Always better to be safe rather than sorry. If I was wrong taking that info for what it was worth well no foul no harm the way I see it. Always good to view everybody as LEO rather than nobody.
Although I always try to give reliable info here, there are times when I'm just wrong. I have to say with all honesty I think the contact info was dead on.[/QUOTE]You are a wise man. I worked down there for a long time and spend many a lunchtime driving the ave. After a while you get to know the faces and the new faces do get me concerned.
During the strangler I almost picked one up but it just didn't seem right and I just kept rolling. Good Thing. Probally LE.
I always go by the rule.
LE doesn't walk the ave. They hang out.
Known girls won't hang near LE.
You won't find the same LE on the ave over and over and over. So.
Be safe everyone
[QUOTE=Bear222;1381700]Not true. Got busted a few years back in April. The decoy was wearing a wire so no ear piece, no radio buldge. If the are within earshot of another UC they sometimes don't evn wear a wire.[/QUOTE]Very interesting. I for one would love to hear the particulars. Did she get in your vehicle? Did she quote a price? What was the outcome?
[QUOTE=MedicineMan512;1381991]If it were so easy as that to spot UC then no one would ever get busted by them. There are no hard and fast rules to spotting UC as their tactics always change and evolve to stay one step ahead. You are trying to oversimplify something that can not be simplified because it is way more complicated than you seem to grasp. There are infinite variables most of which we are not aware of.[/QUOTE]You are so right, MedicineMan. It is way more complicated than that. LE is not stupid. We like to believe they are dumb but they aren't.
Over the years I have developed my own method for picking up a girl. It is not fool proof, nothing is. I am not going to give away all of my secrets in this open forum. I will mention this:
[indent] A.) I don't believe a female undercover officer will get in a mongers car.
B.) If a female undercover officer was brave enough and did get into a strangers car, I don't believe she would be willing to allow the driver to take her for a ride. [/indent]
I just heard this. I got this information from three different sources. There is a white panel truck driving the avenue with three male occupants. Two stay in the back while the driver makes the pickup. Once they are parked the two passengers in the back grab the girl and pull her into the back. They dump the girl after taking turns. Another girl told me that she was recently rapes at knife point. This kind of stuff happens on the avenue every day. Kensington Avenue is a very rough place. Here is my reasoning. No female in her right mind is going to get in a strangers car unless she is desperate.
Being a police officer is only a job. Would it be worth the money for an undercover female police officer to get in a vehicle with a stranger just too bust him for soliciting – a minor offense? She could be stabbed, scarred for life, even shot in a manner of seconds. If something like this ever happened to a female officer, just once, the department would never be able to live it down.
If she won't get in your car, drive away. I don't care if she has on two hats, no hat, no clothing and looks like a goddess – drive away. Better safe than sorry.
CookyJar
[QUOTE=CookyJar; 1382277]Very interesting. I for one would love to hear the particulars. Did she get in your vehicle? Did she quote a price? What was the outcome?
You are so right, MedicineMan. It is way more complicated than that. LE is not stupid. We like to believe they are dumb but they aren't.
Over the years I have developed my own method for picking up a girl. It is not fool proof, nothing is. I am not going to give away all of my secrets in this open forum. I will mention this:
[indent] A.) I don't believe a female undercover officer will get in a mongers car.
B.) If a female undercover officer was brave enough and did get into a strangers car, I don't believe she would be willing to allow the driver to take her for a ride. [/indent]
I just heard this. I got this information from three different sources. There is a white panel truck driving the avenue with three male occupants. Two stay in the back while the driver makes the pickup. Once they are parked the two passengers in the back grab the girl and pull her into the back. They dump the girl after taking turns. Another girl told me that she was recently rapes at knife point. This kind of stuff happens on the avenue every day. Kensington Avenue is a very rough place. Here is my reasoning. No female in her right mind is going to get in a strangers car unless she is desperate.
Being a police officer is only a job. Would it be worth the money for an undercover female police officer to get in a vehicle with a stranger just too bust him for soliciting – a minor offense? She could be stabbed, scarred for life, even shot in a manner of seconds. If something like this ever happened to a female officer, just once, the department would never be able to live it down.
If she won't get in your car, drive away. I don't care if she has on two hats, no hat, no clothing and looks like a goddess – drive away. Better safe than sorry.
CookyJar[/QUOTE]CookyJar and Milo96both seemed to get the exact point I was trying to drive when I brought up this issue.
They point out many variables. The main point with this is if you are not sure it is better for you to vacate the area. I'm quite sure none of us would like to be the example to the others.
So in order to avoid a situation such as that, we must exercise every bit of caution we have. Of course that may at times not even be enough.
Like another contributor pointed out in a previous post of mine, If they want to get you they will find a very creative way and do it.
Do not underestimate those sworn to serve and protect. Many times its there own ass they are protecting for whatever reason. They are not all the most trustworthy people to be around. That is not to say they are all crooked. It just seems to go with the territory they work in.
In an area such as Kensington they see it all, murder, rapes, robbery, petty theft, drugs, and prostitution and the list goes on and on. They tend to lump everyone in the area, especially those from other neighborhoods as trouble. You could be from the Vatican visiting your bed ridden grandmother, to them you are just another person looking for drugs or prostitutes.
So if there is ever a question about a person being a decoy, then by all means use your head. There is another date within a few blocks. Or you might even wish to return another time. Don't even chance putting yourself at the round house. Once that happens, then you are right where they want you. Why give them the satisfaction?
About how I would know Uncle Leo if I saw them, I have to say I wouldn't. Now for me just the feeling there is a decoy in front of me is enough motivation to cover my ass. I didn't mean to imply the situation I found myself in was a foregone fact. Just the info came from a reliable source. I left the area not caring if it was true or a mistake.
Lets all play it safe out there tomorrow is another day.
I was arrestrd in Trenton, nj on a similar sting. Just to let you know about hooker stings. I thought I was street smart enough not to get caught up in one. Always cruise around the block looking for LE, never proposition the girl until you did the LE check in the car, all that stuff. And everybody knows a decoy will never get in the car, so no way I was going to get caught in one of them. A couple of years ago I saw a girl I thought I knew and pulled over, she opended the door and asked me if I was looking for a date. I knew she was not the girl I thought she was and figured out right then and there she was LE and started to pull off, she called out how about 2 for a BJ as I drove off. I did not make it half a block before an unmarked car pulled me over and arrested me. When I showed up in court the Trenton prosicutor told me I was charged with loitering for the purpose of prositution. That means they don't have to prove you offered money for sex. I told him I never even talked to the decoy and he said that it would be her word against mine in court, and offered me a deal, no loss of license if I pled guilty and paid a fine. Well I ended up spending $400 in fines and court costs and got a 90 day suspended sentence. So don't go by what you hear. There was another guy in court with me that was picked up in the same sting and he never even pulled over, just went around the block twice to check the girl out and they nailed him. The thing you have to remember is they will tell you she is wearing a wire, but unless you incriminate yourself you will never see the transcripts in court. It will be their word against yours. I still monger in Trenton but I never pick up a SW I don't know or haven't seen on here.
Seems like a fimilar story. Not sure what to make of this. There was a similar post sometime ago. How if the poster of this ad sees this hear can you explain?
[url]http://philadelphia.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/fraud-alert-fake-pics-and-rip-off-hiv-let-me-be-your-fantasy-22/6864714[/url]
[QUOTE=Aldotcom8; 1383395]Seems like a fimilar story. Not sure what to make of this. There was a similar post sometime ago. How if the poster of this ad sees this hear can you explain?
[url]http://philadelphia.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/fraud-alert-fake-pics-and-rip-off-hiv-let-me-be-your-fantasy-22/6864714[/url][/QUOTE]Quite possible, I would err on the side of caution, it is a shame since Erin is a pretty girl and she would make good $$$ being an honest provider, I was looking for her myself.
[QUOTE=Lemmesee;1383568]Quite possible, I would err on the side of caution, it is a shame since Erin is a pretty girl and she would make good $$$ being an honest provider, I was looking for her myself.[/QUOTE]I've known her for many years and she's always been great. This wouldn't be the first time from what I know and understand. It's a very jealous ex boyfriend displaying the good old "if I can't have you no one will" routine. This poor girl can't get away from this guy and his lame attempts to sabatoge her as a provider. Like I said, to my knowledge she's always been great to many others and myself, and she still is.
Texted Melissa a couple of week ago on the # 267-591-8128. Told her I was going out of town for awhile but would be back aroubd the 13th and would text her to meet. When I tried to call or text her the # was no longer in service. She had my cell # from the original contact sop yesterday I get a text from her. Now I can't meet for awhile but asked if she wanted me to post her new. She said it would be appreciated. She can receive calls (she picks up) or a text. So here it is: [blue][Telephone Number deleted by Admin][/blue].
Hope this helps her get some business
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[QUOTE=Bear222;1383113]I was arrestrd in Trenton, nj on a similar sting. Just to let you know about hooker stings. I thought I was street smart enough not to get caught up in one. Always cruise around the block looking for LE, never proposition the girl until you did the LE check in the car, all that stuff. And everybody knows a decoy will never get in the car, so no way I was going to get caught in one of them. A couple of years ago I saw a girl I thought I knew and pulled over, she opended the door and asked me if I was looking for a date. I knew she was not the girl I thought she was and figured out right then and there she was LE and started to pull off, she called out how about 2 for a BJ as I drove off. I did not make it half a block before an unmarked car pulled me over and arrested me. When I showed up in court the Trenton prosicutor told me I was charged with loitering for the purpose of prositution. That means they don't have to prove you offered money for sex. I told him I never even talked to the decoy and he said that it would be her word against mine in court, and offered me a deal, no loss of license if I pled guilty and paid a fine. Well I ended up spending $400 in fines and court costs and got a 90 day suspended sentence. So don't go by what you hear. There was another guy in court with me that was picked up in the same sting and he never even pulled over, just went around the block twice to check the girl out and they nailed him. The thing you have to remember is they will tell you she is wearing a wire, but unless you incriminate yourself you will never see the transcripts in court. It will be their word against yours. I still monger in Trenton but I never pick up a SW I don't know or haven't seen on here.[/QUOTE]That's bullshit. The whole "it's her word against yours" is a scare tactic. If a prosecutor ever says that, tell them "you are correct, BUT the burden of proof is on you since YOU are the prosecutor". If you had a reason for being in the area, and a reason you stopped, then it is up to the prosecution to prove that you were in the area loitering to eventually solicit a prostitute. You were charged with "loitering for the purpose of prostitution" (you're right, they don't need to prove you offered money because the charge is loitering) , get it? It's completely bogus. They offer this charge because they know they don't have proof and they play it off as being a "deal", so people just jump at it.
[QUOTE=Bear222;1383113]I was arrestrd in Trenton, nj on a similar sting. Just to let you know about hooker stings. I thought I was street smart enough not to get caught up in one. Always cruise around the block looking for LE, never proposition the girl until you did the LE check in the car, all that stuff. And everybody knows a decoy will never get in the car, so no way I was going to get caught in one of them. A couple of years ago I saw a girl I thought I knew and pulled over, she opended the door and asked me if I was looking for a date. I knew she was not the girl I thought she was and figured out right then and there she was LE and started to pull off, she called out how about 2 for a BJ as I drove off. I did not make it half a block before an unmarked car pulled me over and arrested me. When I showed up in court the Trenton prosicutor told me I was charged with loitering for the purpose of prositution. That means they don't have to prove you offered money for sex. I told him I never even talked to the decoy and he said that it would be her word against mine in court, and offered me a deal, no loss of license if I pled guilty and paid a fine. Well I ended up spending $400 in fines and court costs and got a 90 day suspended sentence. So don't go by what you hear. There was another guy in court with me that was picked up in the same sting and he never even pulled over, just went around the block twice to check the girl out and they nailed him. The thing you have to remember is they will tell you she is wearing a wire, but unless you incriminate yourself you will never see the transcripts in court. It will be their word against yours. I still monger in Trenton but I never pick up a SW I don't know or haven't seen on here.[/QUOTE]That's bullshit. The whole "it's her word against yours" is a scare tactic. If a prosecutor ever says that, tell them "you are correct, BUT the burden of proof is on you since YOU are the prosecutor". If you had a reason for being in the area, and a reason you stopped, then it is up to the prosecution to prove that you were in the area loitering to eventually solicit a prostitute. You were charged with "loitering for the purpose of prostitution" (you're right, they don't need to prove you offered money because the charge is loitering) , get it? It's completely bogus. They offer this charge because they know they don't have proof and they play it off as being a "deal", so people just jump at it.
I can't believe the the said that. The best way to handle this is to hire a aggressive lawyer that specializes in sex related crimes. Plead not guilty and ask for a jury trial. There is very good chance they will drop the case.
[QUOTE=SoCalMonger;1386429]I can't believe the the said that. The best way to handle this is to hire a aggressive lawyer that specializes in sex related crimes. Plead not guilty and ask for a jury trial. There is very good chance they will drop the case.[/QUOTE]I understand that they have a hard time proving "loitering for the purpose of prostitution" but do you want to take the chance that you will get convicted? You would be looking at at a larger fine and possibly a few days jail time from the 90 day mandatory sentenance. Also your name will appear on the court log and probabily in the local papers. I opted for the plea bargain and got the hell out of there.
Gentlemen Mongers,
I have been a member of this forum for close to a year and have learned a lot from the senior pros. So, a sincere thank you to all. This is my first post and therefore will welcome any constructive feedback. I live in central jersey and once in every few weeks come up to your great city to enjoy the unparalleled quality and service here. And today I am compelled to share a part of good time I had with an amazing person.
Gentlemen, please allow me to introduce Marissa. All of 19 years, with a face to die for and a personality to live for. I found her hanging out with an older WSW near Sergeant St, who wasn't happy to be treated as 'seconds' after I asked Marissa to hop in, instead of her. We did some quick negotiation and agreed to $.5 for an hour of her time at the dump at Poplar St, with a tip thrown in, if everything went alright.
Once inside, I realized, I maybe in for a special time. Marissa has a friendly disposition and carries some stuff between her ears too. She started with a DFK, then BBBJCIM, with decent technique and kept asking me if I was having a good time. I wanted a 69, but somehow she was little shy to let me return the favors. When asked, like any typical teen, she is very insecure about the way her pussy looks. I calmed her and mentioned I have seen enough to realize every one of them is special and has to be celebrated in its own way. And boy, was I on the money. Nothing is better to me than a sweet, fresh and flowery pussy. Wait, didn't Kurt Cobain sing "smells like teen pussy" LOL?
After round one, we spent a great time talking about each other's lives, religion, and what's really messed up about this (once) great country. She felt some sort of strong connection with me and welled up talking about the dreams and disasters in her life. Once we saw the clock moving faster than expected, we started round two with another BBBJ, then I put on the umbrella and away we went to the town. She seemed to be really enjoying herself as I had already seen her juices flowing in. After testing the strength of the bed springs, she asked me to time our climax together. Now, who am I to deny a lady of her pleasures.
It was a great session and for a change, the receiver and the provider, both left with a smile on their faces. My softer side, values that a lot.
In the tradition of the one & only, 'Fair and Balanced' Fox News, I should mention, Marissa's hands are her worst giveaway as they are full of gifts from her drug use of last couple of years. Besides that, not even an acne on her beautiful body.
As is the norm on the street, her phone doesn't works but she has my number. If any of you meet her, please treat her well, even though I realize that soon the life will harden her inside and out. I am posting a PG-13 picture of her, even though I have a risque one too. Enjoy and Safety First!