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[QUOTE=Varoom; 1194688]How do you KNOW it was not FF as the offender.

Comming from both him and her. Now enough of this fkin shit!

I just got on here after several days, and WHAM! What a firestorm. But for good reason, as several have pointed out.

First that the behavior in the Freak for Freckles' report is completely unacceptable, and not only to the women concerned, but even to the rest of us mongers. Only a true asshole / rapist / bastard would treat any woman that way and a prick like this on the loose will make things sticky / difficult / dangerous for all of us.

Second, and this is only my opinion, FF is speaking not of his own behavior here, but of someone else's. I feel this way, because although I've never met him, his track record for defending women on this board is well proven. Even to the point of being an ass to other mongers at times. The attitude in his story is completely opposite to any and every other post under his name. I just can't see it coming from him in any other way than sarcasm to prove a point, to out another monger (in this case, I feel appropriately) or to simply stir the discussion for what he's seen as a problem. I agree it is a problem and the discussion is worthwhile.

Now for the "Enough of this shit" attitude, I can agree with that also. It's time for FF to speak up, out the monger in question so no more women are referred to the guy and clear up his own name concerning this. But until he does so, and it's only his choice to make, I think the subject is finished. To a man, I don't see any support for this behavior, so his point was made and I don't see any value in continuing it. Let's move on about the stated business of the thread and take the lessons therein to heart.

TA2

[QUOTE=Two Nutts; 1194859]How do you KNOW it was not FF as the offender.

Comming from both him and her. Now enough of this fkin shit! [/QUOTE]That doesn't work. FF posted what he has done and that is good enough for me.

[QUOTE=Tryinagain2; 1194910]Now for the "Enough of this shit" attitude, I can agree with that also. It's time for FF to speak up, TA2.

(edit delete)[/QUOTE]That doesn't work. FF posted what he has done and that is good enough for me.

If the post wasn't credible but made as it was, that is merely playing games with everyone who reads this forum. Just as bad if not worse than if the post is truthful. Now that would be a bunch of fkin shit! If this is the case he could have found another way to handle this matter instead of jacking with everyone here. And people are trying to defend this approach as somehow being valiant? It is fkin IDIOTIC my friends.

At the very moment of this post, there are 311 members and 534 guests logged on and / or reading the forum. And what you are saying is, all 850 or so folks here are supposed to JUST KNOW that the orig post wasn't FF because a handful of his friends say so. Frankly folks I am more pissed that it probably isn't him, but yet he has chosen this cheesy ass way of expressing this thing and getting everyone all revved up as if he did the deed; (very poor taste). Either way it STINKS. Grrrrrr.

Any locals ever drive up to Gary for gang bang night?

Check out the recent postings for NW Indiana.

I have been waiting for this to run for a while and to see where it went, let it run it's course. It wasn't my place to jump in as much as I have wanted to because I understand what was happening, and as many good and bad points that the discussion has brought out were really the intended result, though sadly at the expense of someone's personal pain. The parable that started all of this was an allegory, based in fact, with some license taken, like the working girl comment at the end of the post, sarcasm and the antithesis of what FF believes, in order to drive home his point with a hard effect. The story though altered is sadly true, just like a year ago when a local provider was lured to a residential outcall, then outnumbered and abused, tied / held down and burned with cigarettes, the perpetrators assuming that a 'working girl' couldn't cause them any problems. So how do I know that it is factual but allegorical, that FF was not the culprit? I know because I was sitting having lunch with him and a friend and favorite local provider when he got the call from the victim, a good friend of his, and to a lesser degree mine, someone who skipped lunch with us to take a date. So why the post, because it was killing him to not be able to do anything, to help in any way, to respond in some way. I must admit that this post and how he did it surprised me, I expected him to take up the method put forth by our good buddy Two Nutts, who is also a friend of the victim, and grab some weapons and go hobbiest hunting, or to at least bring the perpetrator into the fray. He had to take some kind of action, and he chose a calmer, more measured and thoughtful way to do it. To steal a line from Rachael Dawes, and I paraphrase- It is not what is inside of us, but rather the actions that we take that define who we are as a person. I believe he is not done, but that most of his actions will never see the light of day, this will be the only public airing. He knew before he did it that he risked his future with both providers and hobbiests alike if it backfired, but if you think that caused him a second thought then you really don't get him at all.

One of the major points he wanted to make was the issue that we as men may view ourselves as clean, safe for bareback fun, but that basic tests and inspections don't speak to the hidden nasties that we carry, such as HPV and chlamydia, that we can secretly pass to unsuspecting partners, paid or otherwise, who then pass it to a another partner who unwittingly takes it home to give to someone who now has been put at a great health risk without ever having had the chance to protect themselves, or to at least have the option to chose what and how much risk they might assume. I think from the discussions he has brought out thought provoking comments on that along with the other issues here, and though he can't change what has happened, he can create an atmosphere that may help keep it from happening again; even if only once it will be a good thing.

So did what happen rise to the level of rape? Criminally, the case could be easily made, emotionally, well there is no doubt there. Yes there were only two people actually in that room, one sees what happened as an act of sexual congress getting carried away and going regrettably too far but with the acquiescence of the victim, the other sees it as violation and emotional trauma, and the mind makes rationalizations and tries to correlate the feelings and emotions with facts and makes the allowances it needs to, to either carry on or not. This can be a very dangerous game that we play here, each instance of two people together sexually is totally an island of experience, and what one provider / partner may consider acceptable behavior and playfulness, may be considered by the next partner to be violent and degrading, it is a slippery slope and something every date has to play out, and we must always remember to be aware of. Could she have kicked and screamed and perhaps changed the course of action? Perhaps, but in no way does that justify or condone what happened, make no mistake, that was wrong no matter what level of degrees one might try to apply to it. This was how she made her living, what would bad reviews do her if she didn't quit protesting, could she still get work, would her reputation be tarnished as a 'good'provider, and like sexual harassment in the workplace, one may accept what they feel to be their fate in order to preserve their own well being, but it is morally and legally wrong. End of story.

So what we have in the end is a very sad story. We have a good person who is emotionally distraught, unable to work, seeking counseling and help, trying to heal and put it all behind them. We have a hobbiest who did not intend the grief he has caused but is having to deal with the consequences of his actions. It doesn't matter who it is, I firmly believe that the issues are the same no matter which provider it might have happened to. I can not see any reason that names ever need be named here or anywhere, it serves no point, exactly why FF's allegorical story provides us all we need to think and discuss the situation. There is no happy ending here, there is tragedy delivered upon both the victim and the perpetrator in some ways.

I was going to say perhaps it was time to move on, take something from all of this and hope that we are more aware and thoughtful of our actions, that something learned here is the best that can be hoped for. But maybe people aren't done, not my place to say. FF was willing to take all the heat in order to protect the innocent, but I felt I needed to weigh in because I fear the heat was starting to have an opposite effect, and that would only make a bad situation worse. As in any story there is so much that hasn't been put out there, from both sides of the story, and layers and tendrils that reach far and wide in the 'hobby', but this was never intended to be a case study, just a seemingly simple event that took a tragic turn and morphed into something bigger than imagined.

TA2- good points but not sure I agree with the outing of the monger in a totally public forum for lots of reasons.

TN-nothing like a good friend, and tough to hold back when you know the truth, love ya buddy.

SS-beautiful, brilliant, feisty, fierce in so many good ways, no wonder I like you so very much.

Henley- appreciate your input and thought, you weren't off base in your thinking, just in their direction because you couldn't have known any better.

AA-another beautiful one, and always like your input, and rest assured your advice had already been taken before you spoke it.

BB-perhaps my favorite poster these days, always well thought out and intelligent and well spoken.

What, Scott and Braz- all good points and well taken.

Obama- welcome to the new guy, takes balls to throw in on something this heavy when you are new.

Russ- ditto.

Davidoc- like the way you think.

GC- you know I respect you and you made great points-

Ipolis, Indyjohn, BC- all good discussion, a lot of people fell for the first person narrative of FF apparently, surprising because he isn't all that good at writing so I am a little disappointed in you.LOL.

NG_ you saw through it, but there was never anything funny about it- wish it had been a joke.

WC- as usual friend you are always on top of it.

Lion- my good friend I know it must have seemed confusing at first-sometimes this all seems too much doesn't it.

Slutcake-you would get along well with TN in terms of temperment, and by the way, no one ever said it was a senior member here, have to look but pretty sure it isn't true.

Sure I missed a few, sorry, but I must say that I was really glad to have seen all the input and even more glad to see that it was to a man, and woman, that everyone came down on the right side of the line.

Over the past couple of weeks I've had the opportunity to have some pretty good dreams of providers I had not met before. I tend to stick to a few regulars. I had the chance to meet Sensory Surprise and partake of the famed nuru massage. The nuru massage was an interesting experience and something most should try at least once. I'm not sure if it was my thing but I thoroughly enjoyed meeting Sensory. She is very intelligent and very pleasant to spend some time with.

Last week I finally met Teresa (thanks by the way to those that passed along her contact info). I spent an entire afternoon with Teresa and Lacy. All I really need to say about that experience is WOW!

Before I pick up my guitar and lead us all in a few choruses of Kumbaya, I want to mention a couple things that bother me.

First, I appreciate what emotional strain people are under, and I understand what Freckle Freak was trying to do. I'm not convinced it was fair or proper to do it that way, if I can be forgiven those quaint notions. I was educated in a previous century.

Let's begin with the idea he was "taking the heat". That seems pre-constructed. The immediate reaction wasn't condemnation, but that he had to be joking, or his account had been hacked, or he'd taken leave of his senses and was writing gibberish. It really wasn't until later, when he failed to reappear and defend himself one way or the other, that some people began accusing him. So the concept faltered right out of the gate. FF's reputation proceeded him here, as he should have expected.

Second, bringing this up to an unsuspecting group of people one has no intention of ever filling in completely is ill-considered. It's like the old days, when the dirty parts of books were translated into Latin so only the educated could whack off to 'them. People were entirely within their rights to ask "Who was it?" What else should have been expected?"Who was it?" can make a big difference in our attitudes. If this was a provider known for crying wolf it's a different situation than if it's someone known for trying to bareback every woman he meets. Those of us on the outside had no way of knowing; a week on and we still don't. We were just asked to act as a Greek chorus while FF rendered the verdict. I understand that there are watertight reasons for not revealing names. That should have been the reason to post hypothetically, not realistically.

And yet, everyone in the know admits only two people know what happened. Maybe FF gave an accurate portrayal of some private communication he had. If so then this really isn't a he said / she said deal. Juries convict on less.

I'm not trying to be harsh. I think FF did what was in his heart under very stressful conditions. But under very stressful conditions it's often good to think more than twice. Everyone here who spoke spoke against rape. If that comes as a surprise the world is a lot worse off than even I imagine it.

Look, dammit: we're the people society scorns. Society makes all of us outsiders for not condemning commercial sex, then we turn around and make it about whispered confidences and notes passed at school and the cool kids table. We should know better. The attitude should not be tolerated, let alone the act. This is no place for misogyny, but misogyny runs unchecked. Providers should not be, or feel, powerless, because it is in everyone's interest that they don't. No one should be pressured by fear of bad reviews, or bad word of mouth from self-appointed insiders, but, again, that attitude is everywhere among providers. And understandably so. They have little incentive to rock the boat. It's up to us to renounce it, and to renounce (by name) anyone who refuses to do so.

I just got word that an ATF of mine may be visiting us next week. YummyBunny has been in Detroit and emailed me about her plans. It's up in the air for now, but she's going to try to register here and let us know in the classifieds forum. She'll try to register YummyBunny, but she also advertises on BP and eros under diamond22, or diamond dozen.

I let her know I probably won't be in town next week to see her (very depressing) , but that if she advertises here, why'all will keep her busy. Very GFE w / multiples allowed, though everything's covered. You'll hardly notice the cover, though. She's that good orally, imo. Total spinner, under 5', less than 100lbs, and no body fat whatsoever. Gorgeous latina face too, along with a great attitude and personality. Treat her right!

TA2

Being an older guy contacted this lady about two weeks ago and had the opportunity to meet her. She is a very nice lady but is a bit rushed. I would put her looks about a 5, and her service at a 6. She is not a hard body but not flabby either. She isn't a good kisser but has nice hands and knows how to use them. Didn't go the french route as she seemed to want to get to it which we did. CFS that was okay but very mechanical. She goes by Mature Woman on BP is supposedly 39 but my guess is 5-10 years older. Room was nice but won't see her again. Like anything else, YMMV

[QUOTE=Tryinagain2; 1195328]I just got word that an ATF of mine may be visiting us next week. YummyBunny has been in Detroit and emailed me about her plans. It's up in the air for now, but she's going to try to register here and let us know in the classifieds forum. She'll try to register YummyBunny, but she also advertises on BP and eros under diamond22, or diamond dozen.

I let her know I probably won't be in town next week to see her (very depressing) , but that if she advertises here, why'all will keep her busy. Very GFE w / multiples allowed, though everything's covered. You'll hardly notice the cover, though. She's that good orally, imo. Total spinner, under 5', less than 100lbs, and no body fat whatsoever. Gorgeous latina face too, along with a great attitude and personality. Treat her right!

TA2[/QUOTE]I was wondering if she would ever come back to Indy.

[QUOTE=B Beall; 1195310]Before I pick up my guitar and lead us all in a few choruses of Kumbaya, I want to mention a couple things that bother me.

First, I appreciate what emotional strain people are under, and I understand what Freckle Freak was trying to do. I'm not convinced it was fair or proper to do it that way, if I can be forgiven those quaint notions. I was educated in a previous century.

Let's begin with the idea he was "taking the heat". That seems pre-constructed. The immediate reaction wasn't condemnation, but that he had to be joking, or his account had been hacked, or he'd taken leave of his senses and was writing gibberish. It really wasn't until later, when he failed to reappear and defend himself one way or the other, that some people began accusing him. So the concept faltered right out of the gate. FF's reputation proceeded him here, as he should have expected.

Second, bringing this up to an unsuspecting group of people one has no intention of ever filling in completely is ill-considered. It's like the old days, when the dirty parts of books were translated into Latin so only the educated could whack off to 'them. People were entirely within their rights to ask "Who was it?" What else should have been expected?"Who was it?" can make a big difference in our attitudes. If this was a provider known for crying wolf it's a different situation than if it's someone known for trying to bareback every woman he meets. Those of us on the outside had no way of knowing; a week on and we still don't. We were just asked to act as a Greek chorus while FF rendered the verdict. I understand that there are watertight reasons for not revealing names. That should have been the reason to post hypothetically, not realistically.

And yet, everyone in the know admits only two people know what happened. Maybe FF gave an accurate portrayal of some private communication he had. If so then this really isn't a he said / she said deal. Juries convict on less.

I'm not trying to be harsh. I think FF did what was in his heart under very stressful conditions. But under very stressful conditions it's often good to think more than twice. Everyone here who spoke spoke against rape. If that comes as a surprise the world is a lot worse off than even I imagine it.

Look, dammit: we're the people society scorns. Society makes all of us outsiders for not condemning commercial sex, then we turn around and make it about whispered confidences and notes passed at school and the cool kids table. We should know better. The attitude should not be tolerated, let alone the act. This is no place for misogyny, but misogyny runs unchecked. Providers should not be, or feel, powerless, because it is in everyone's interest that they don't. No one should be pressured by fear of bad reviews, or bad word of mouth from self-appointed insiders, but, again, that attitude is everywhere among providers. And understandably so. They have little incentive to rock the boat. It's up to us to renounce it, and to renounce (by name) anyone who refuses to do so. [/QUOTE]I will always miss Buster and Long Richard and TBird and Greys posts, but this is my current favorite read; thoughtful and considered, doesn't matter if opinions differ, good things to think about. Fogelberg and Weissberg maybe.

[QUOTE=Tryinagain2; 1195328]I just got word that an ATF of mine may be visiting us next week. YummyBunny has been in Detroit and emailed me about her plans. It's up in the air for now, but she's going to try to register here and let us know in the classifieds forum. She'll try to register YummyBunny, but she also advertises on BP and eros under diamond22, or diamond dozen.

I let her know I probably won't be in town next week to see her (very depressing) , but that if she advertises here, why'all will keep her busy. Very GFE w / multiples allowed, though everything's covered. You'll hardly notice the cover, though. She's that good orally, imo. Total spinner, under 5', less than 100lbs, and no body fat whatsoever. Gorgeous latina face too, along with a great attitude and personality. Treat her right!

TA2[/QUOTE]Always a personal fave, seen her on a few different visits and has never failed to impress.

I'm a very infrequent poster and slightly less infrequent reader. Seeing the residue of the storm on page 1, I flipped back a few and read the initial FF post.

My two cents? It reads like allegory. Don't know FF from Adam, but the tone is one called largesse confession wherein the confessor imparts not only too much information but also self incriminating motive. Its a foil. Kind of like the end of a Scooby Doo show. All its missing is the "And I woulda gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those darn kids!"

So, why does a person write such a satire? The same reason anyone has ever written satire, to mock and inform in the cruelest way possible. Someone who actually did this act is squirming to high hell. In turn, all of you have spent a nice amount of time thinking interesting thoughts.

Unintended (maybe) Outcomes?

1) The community has been forced to stomp on the paper tiger. That being said, by doing so, you verbally committed yourselves to a safe, respectable behavior. Next time the bareback opportunity presents itself, you'll think just THAT much harder before giving in to the little head. (positive)

2) A little bit of introspection. I mean, after all, if this happened. If this COULD happen, then why aren't we all being more careful and being tested more frequently and. And. You get the idea. (positive)

3) A little bit of deflation. We all got called Knights of the Roundtable. That one made me giggle the most. (positive)

4) Feathers were ruffled. Always awesome. Its like he just puked in the theater from the balcony and is now just sitting back to enjoy the show. (positive)

In summation. Whether you agree with me that he wrote this satirically or not, it doesn't matter. The end result is that Indy is perhaps a little safer, a little more respectful, and a little bit more informed than it was before he wrote the post.

I'm ok with that.

Unless he actually did it, in which case I want him hung ass down over a pit of Mike Vick's best canine athletes.

Just sayin.