"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2889102]I never hear from them between dates unless I send them an email. Even then my questions are answered line by line without any other comments to stimulate further messages.

I agree it would be nice to have them at least show some affection. Common sense should tell them they could get more money out of guy if they did. Instead I keep looking for the next one that may be my ideal SB. Age doesn't seem to matter. All any of them care about is the wallet if they are willing to see old guys.[/QUOTE]Come on guys what are you expecting especially if there is a big age difference. If your going after the 18-20's college girl your the check paying her student loans or tuition. Know that going in. If you want genuine affection get a dog LOL, much cheaper. . Now if your wanting affection go for the single struggling mothers who would definitely appreciate the help much more. To the hard body college kid your a reliable paycheck and mostly usually that's it. If your lucky enough to get a GFE out of your session then you can't complain. If they aren't providing what your looking for move on.

Alot of what you require should be addressed at the m / g so explain what's expected from them to what your providing.

I took a SB to the FC the other night. She pounces on me and starts riding me cowgirl before I am able to get to her pussy. This was a little unusual I thought. After about fifteen minutes of her riding me, I tell her that I want to switch positions. I make her get off my dick and notice the condom is covered in blood as well as the base of my cock. I started to freak out. She then tells me she is on her period.

I was pissed because I was covered in her blood and further exposed to any viruses she may have had. I wish she would have disclosed that she was on the rag before sex. She wanted to fuck me bareback initially, but I pushed her off and put on a rubber. I really dodged a bullet there.

I know I've seen on here SB's using the period as an excuse to decline sex, but never thought a girl would just go and fuck on her period without clearing it with her partner first. Has anyone had a similar experience?

SDX.

Anyone playing in Boston area and would like to trade info? PM's are fine too.

Please see this girl and tell me what you see, try not to post, please PM me, anyone.

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[QUOTE=FredMoore;2888438]Hey, don't feel bad. I have my own children that age and I can not get them on the phone for anything. Text all day long. My SBs are all Millenials and unfortunately that is the way it is. I would love for my current to walk in, hug and kiss me, tell me she missed me, stroke my Dick and tell me to roll over while she works on me for a while -nah. She does come in, I force her to kiss for a minute or two, then she unabashedly shucks her clothes and goes to the mat for a good fucking. You are looking for an IRL GF. Or perhaps you (we) need to date more age appropriate. The bottom line is -as guys have said before --they are there to pick up a paycheck. And the bottom line for most of us -we are there to fuck young pussy. Enjoy the fucking -work it for all you are worth ,and don't try to turn her into something she is not .[/QUOTE]I have had many millennials, as a matter of fact I am not even considering over 25. I know it is chance, but when you get one good, there is no match on satisfaction. I have had a few I am so fucking fortunate to run in to.

Who love to fuck like they are with Brad Pitt. I still see two of them others lost touch and moved on, since I always crave for newer.

Working on one right now from University, hotty with rack like you wouldn't believe and firm. Sent me videos and pictures so far have scheduled on FC soon will report, costing much though.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;2889525]I took a SB to the FC the other night. She pounces on me and starts riding me cowgirl before I am able to get to her pussy. This was a little unusual I thought. After about fifteen minutes of her riding me, I tell her that I want to switch positions. I make her get off my dick and notice the condom is covered in blood as well as the base of my cock. I started to freak out. She then tells me she is on her period.

I was pissed because I was covered in her blood and further exposed to any viruses she may have had. I wish she would have disclosed that she was on the rag before sex. She wanted to fuck me bareback initially, but I pushed her off and put on a rubber. I really dodged a bullet there.

I know I've seen on here SB's using the period as an excuse to decline sex, but never thought a girl would just go and fuck on her period without clearing it with her partner first. Has anyone had a similar experience?

SDX.[/QUOTE]I had one tell me about her period when we entered my bedroom. I said 'No problem' and spread out a large beach towel.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2889183]Come on guys what are you expecting especially if there is a big age difference. If your going after the 18-20's college girl your the check paying her student loans or tuition. Know that going in. If you want genuine affection get a dog LOL, much cheaper. . Now if your wanting affection go for the single struggling mothers who would definitely appreciate the help much more. To the hard body college kid your a reliable paycheck and mostly usually that's it. If your lucky enough to get a GFE out of your session then you can't complain. If they aren't providing what your looking for move on.

Alot of what you require should be addressed at the m / g so explain what's expected from them to what your providing.[/QUOTE]Great advice. I'd rather help with her student loans then give to the Alumni Association. Thanks.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;2889525]I took a SB to the FC the other night. She pounces on me and starts riding me cowgirl before I am able to get to her pussy. This was a little unusual I thought. After about fifteen minutes of her riding me, I tell her that I want to switch positions. I make her get off my dick and notice the condom is covered in blood as well as the base of my cock. I started to freak out. She then tells me she is on her period.

I was pissed because I was covered in her blood and further exposed to any viruses she may have had. I wish she would have disclosed that she was on the rag before sex. She wanted to fuck me bareback initially, but I pushed her off and put on a rubber. I really dodged a bullet there.

I know I've seen on here SB's using the period as an excuse to decline sex, but never thought a girl would just go and fuck on her period without clearing it with her partner first. Has anyone had a similar experience?

SDX.[/QUOTE]Eh, I wouldn't worry about it. It can be disgusting to some as the smell isn't rosy and the sight a bit different. But I am always amazed at those engaging in seemingly "off the rails" from a conservative social standpoint getting freaked out over other things. One would think that "liberal thinking" would extend more widely. But experience suggests, some of the most conservative stuff I have run into was with those people engaged in the seemingly "liberal" game of swinging? SMH!

As far as catching anything goes. Look up the statistics of HIV infection rates from your local HD. I suspect the rate of women living with HIV is well below 1%, so randomly 99% are not infected.

But yeah, I have had experiences where a girl is on or starts her period during the act. She should mention it ahead of time as a courtesy, or one can see a pad in her panties or see her remove a tampon. But often the period isn't due for a day or two, but the roughness of the act gets things flowing. It's just another bodily fluid and if I have been getting dfk & BBBJ from her then I have been sharing her floral and faunal "cultures. " Just put a dark towel or a hotel towel under your connection and have fun. Babies can be particularly horny during this time and a lot of fun!

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;2889525]I took a SB to the FC the other night. She pounces on me and starts riding me cowgirl before I am able to get to her pussy. This was a little unusual I thought. After about fifteen minutes of her riding me, I tell her that I want to switch positions. I make her get off my dick and notice the condom is covered in blood as well as the base of my cock. I started to freak out. She then tells me she is on her period.

I was pissed because I was covered in her blood and further exposed to any viruses she may have had. I wish she would have disclosed that she was on the rag before sex. She wanted to fuck me bareback initially, but I pushed her off and put on a rubber. I really dodged a bullet there.

I know I've seen on here SB's using the period as an excuse to decline sex, but never thought a girl would just go and fuck on her period without clearing it with her partner first. Has anyone had a similar experience?

SDX.[/QUOTE]I love it -except no oral during that time. I agree that they should tell ahead of time. You are lucky this little girl wants your bare dick. Just be careful with an SO if you go home with blood on your undies. Usually the girls look at her period as an excuse to get an allowance and escape with a BJ only. Not my girls.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;2889525]I took a SB to the FC the other night. She pounces on me and starts riding me cowgirl before I am able to get to her pussy. This was a little unusual I thought. After about fifteen minutes of her riding me, I tell her that I want to switch positions. I make her get off my dick and notice the condom is covered in blood as well as the base of my cock. I started to freak out. She then tells me she is on her period.

I was pissed because I was covered in her blood and further exposed to any viruses she may have had. I wish she would have disclosed that she was on the rag before sex. She wanted to fuck me bareback initially, but I pushed her off and put on a rubber. I really dodged a bullet there.

I know I've seen on here SB's using the period as an excuse to decline sex, but never thought a girl would just go and fuck on her period without clearing it with her partner first. Has anyone had a similar experience?

SDX.[/QUOTE]Happened to me this week. No probably just jump in the shower! .

[QUOTE=MulchMan;2886980]Thanks for the great advice. I truly believe that she enjoyed being with me. But I had to stop seeing her because it seemed so devoid of any emotion and / or lack of affection. I checked SA on a regular basis and could see that she was not logging in. That's why I kept seeing her for as long as I did. So I guess you are right that I should feel good about it if I was the only one for 6 months. I don't think I need to ask her where it went wrong because I ended it. However, if I decide to jump back into the bowl for another long term gig then I will have my eyes wide open. Thanks again for the post. It helps me understand more.[/QUOTE]Similar story. SB started off fun and carefree. Her affection would wane in and out. I'd start pulling away and she'd come around. I think it's a generational trait. These girls are never that "busy". Once I started pulling away and being preoccupied with other things my SB would come back around. I prefer a LTR / GFE type of arrangement. It's cheaper on the long run and I don't mind getting emotionally involved. I think it's make it more exciting.

Each time my SB pulled away I started back filling up the roster. I wasn't looking for a 10/10/10 replacement, but someone to pass the time with. At any rate, my SB / SO came back full force with the affection and the sex, but I'm slowly moving on. My fresh new SB is a handful.

Question guys. Started picking up fast with a new SB. This is the girl that tried to game me for a new iPhone at $600. I called her bluff and went to the mall. Went to get the phone and she only needed a repair, which was $200. Didn't expect FC in return. She's offering the GFE and seems legitimate. Her MO is college student, 23. My take on her signing up for SA is she's doesn't want to work for spending cash. Her student loans cover most expenses.

We've been having sex casually and a few days ago we started barebacking. We're having sex while her roommates home. Thin walls, I'm sure she heard everything. We're drunk and the sex is heated. I tell her I need to pullout and she tells me "Don't pullout, cum daddy. Cum in my p. Why". I lost all reasoning and proceeded. A day later, I ask if she's on some form of BC. She says no and I remind her that I came in her. Suddenly she's got Alzheimer's and doesn't remember. She says she'd get an abortion if she's pregnant. I kill that discussion and we promptly go to the pharmacy and get a Plan be pill.

The scare is over, but I don't understand this tactic. We were both drunk, and I can't believe she didn't know I came. Even if she thought I didn't, semen would have been leaking afterwards. It left me mind-boggled and I'm not sure if I should continue seeing her. In my mind if I didn't say anything, a few months later she would have said "hey, we're having a baby!

Hope for the best, assume the worst. You alone have to feel comfortable with her veracity and intention. My SB would not take BC for a while so I pulled out. I have to feel that bare skin. Now that she has changed her mind and is on the Pill I still pull out except during the "safe " times of the cycle . If you new SB won't take BC then you either have to take care of it yourself or pull out. She could be trying to trap you but I doubt it. These young girls can just be irresponsible .

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2890819]Question guys. Started picking up fast with a new SB. This is the girl that tried to game me for a new iPhone at $600. I called her bluff and went to the mall. Went to get the phone and she only needed a repair, which was $200. Didn't expect FC in return. She's offering the GFE and seems legitimate. Her MO is college student, 23. My take on her signing up for SA is she's doesn't want to work for spending cash. Her student loans cover most expenses.

We've been having sex casually and a few days ago we started barebacking. We're having sex while her roommates home. Thin walls, I'm sure she heard everything. We're drunk and the sex is heated. I tell her I need to pullout and she tells me "Don't pullout, cum daddy. Cum in my p. Why". I lost all reasoning and proceeded. A day later, I ask if she's on some form of BC. She says no and I remind her that I came in her. Suddenly she's got Alzheimer's and doesn't remember. She says she'd get an abortion if she's pregnant. I kill that discussion and we promptly go to the pharmacy and get a Plan be pill.

The scare is over, but I don't understand this tactic. We were both drunk, and I can't believe she didn't know I came. Even if she thought I didn't, semen would have been leaking afterwards. It left me mind-boggled and I'm not sure if I should continue seeing her. In my mind if I didn't say anything, a few months later she would have said "hey, we're having a baby![/QUOTE]Yes, courts will always hold you responsible for your DNA even if she lies, cheats or decives you into "sharing" it. The legal concept is what is best for the innocent child. So yeah, you are right to be wary.

But hey a stiff d*ck has no brains and a drunk & stiff d*ck even less. So one has to plan ahead to be responsible with the DNA. Who cares whether she is playing games or not? Watch out for yourself! (I think too many watch Survivor or other reality shows and get all hung up with speculation - deal with what is! and shes IS not being responsible - you need to be!)

Oh, and don't think pulling out is a consistently safe method of birth control. There is a name for guys who practice that solely - Daddy!

If you don't trust a girl is on be / see then it is wise to move on, or use a condom.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2890986]Yes, courts will always hold you responsible for your DNA even if she lies, cheats or decives you into "sharing" it. The legal concept is what is best for the innocent child. So yeah, you are right to be wary.

But hey a stiff d*ck has no brains and a drunk & stiff d*ck even less. So one has to plan ahead to be responsible with the DNA. Who cares whether she is playing games or not? Watch out for yourself! (I think too many watch Survivor or other reality shows and get all hung up with speculation - deal with what is! and shes IS not being responsible - you need to be!)

Oh, and don't think pulling out is a consistently safe method of birth control. There is a name for guys who practice that solely - Daddy!

If you don't trust a girl is on be / see then it is wise to move on, or use a condom.[/QUOTE]Condoms are 18% effective because most people don't use them right. Hard to believe, but check the Planned Parenthood site. I've not been able to find numbers for their effectiveness when used correctly. I'm going to guess 99%.

The withdrawal method is 96% effective when used correctly, and 73% when not used correctly (planned parenthood site again). A big difference (and not to mention STD risks), and when baby is yelling cum in me daddy the big head has to be strong!

I have seen one of favs 23 yr old one time after a month break, tried to meet her the week before and she cancelled and said she was on her period. Saw her few days later and great sex and while doing oral on her got my iron for that month.

I am a vegetarian love to eat pu $$why and got me some nutrition that way, you see when the dick is in charge all senses take a break. Don't worry! One exposure is not very likely to cause major illness.

On another matter, saw a new one today, almost certain she may a be pro, dressed like one but facebook says otherwise, local university student and has a roommate.

Cost me too much for the looks and demands more than what I gave her not planning on seeing her again' want to know who it is PM me will pass it on.

Stay safe.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;2889525]I took a SB to the FC the other night. She pounces on me and starts riding me cowgirl before I am able to get to her pussy. This was a little unusual I thought. After about fifteen minutes of her riding me, I tell her that I want to switch positions. I make her get off my dick and notice the condom is covered in blood as well as the base of my cock. I started to freak out. She then tells me she is on her period.

I was pissed because I was covered in her blood and further exposed to any viruses she may have had. I wish she would have disclosed that she was on the rag before sex. She wanted to fuck me bareback initially, but I pushed her off and put on a rubber. I really dodged a bullet there.

I know I've seen on here SB's using the period as an excuse to decline sex, but never thought a girl would just go and fuck on her period without clearing it with her partner first. Has anyone had a similar experience?

SDX.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2890819]Question guys. Started picking up fast with a new SB. This is the girl that tried to game me for a new iPhone at $600. I called her bluff and went to the mall. Went to get the phone and she only needed a repair, which was $200. Didn't expect FC in return. She's offering the GFE and seems legitimate. Her MO is college student, 23. My take on her signing up for SA is she's doesn't want to work for spending cash. Her student loans cover most expenses.

We've been having sex casually and a few days ago we started barebacking. We're having sex while her roommates home. Thin walls, I'm sure she heard everything. We're drunk and the sex is heated. I tell her I need to pullout and she tells me "Don't pullout, cum daddy. Cum in my p. Why". I lost all reasoning and proceeded. A day later, I ask if she's on some form of BC. She says no and I remind her that I came in her. Suddenly she's got Alzheimer's and doesn't remember. She says she'd get an abortion if she's pregnant. I kill that discussion and we promptly go to the pharmacy and get a Plan be pill.

The scare is over, but I don't understand this tactic. We were both drunk, and I can't believe she didn't know I came. Even if she thought I didn't, semen would have been leaking afterwards. It left me mind-boggled and I'm not sure if I should continue seeing her. In my mind if I didn't say anything, a few months later she would have said "hey, we're having a baby![/QUOTE]I met a SB on match who was from the Ukraine and we dated and had protected sex. But one day she just jumped on me bareback. Not enough time for anything.

To happen but these types of women will use a kid to trap you. Be ware.

Is to cum in their mouth. When I can't do that, I pull out.

I lost count of how many total women I've had sex with sometime when I was in my 20's, I almost always bareback because I'm not a fan of the wrapper. The only time I got anyone pregnant I was a drunken idiot and got in the habit of cumming inside (not at her request, just my own laziness) even when I knew her depo provera shot was no longer protecting her. Thankfully she aborted and I learned my lesson.

It's either going in their mouth, or on their ass / face / tits / tummy whatever.

The effectiveness of the withdrawal method is underrated.

Too funny a coincidence. Happened to me on a first date.

I said towel please, and.

Had the best bareback sex in a LONG LONG time. She was so tight and juicy.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;2889525]I took a SB to the FC the other night. She pounces on me and starts riding me cowgirl before I am able to get to her pussy. This was a little unusual I thought. After about fifteen minutes of her riding me, I tell her that I want to switch positions. I make her get off my dick and notice the condom is covered in blood as well as the base of my cock. I started to freak out. She then tells me she is on her period.

I was pissed because I was covered in her blood and further exposed to any viruses she may have had. I wish she would have disclosed that she was on the rag before sex. She wanted to fuck me bareback initially, but I pushed her off and put on a rubber. I really dodged a bullet there.

I know I've seen on here SB's using the period as an excuse to decline sex, but never thought a girl would just go and fuck on her period without clearing it with her partner first. Has anyone had a similar experience?

SDX.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2890819]Question guys. Started picking up fast with a new SB. This is the girl that <snip>

We've been having sex casually and a few days ago we started barebacking. ... I need to pullout and she tells me "Don't pullout, cum daddy. Cum in my p. Why". I lost all reasoning and proceeded. A day later, I ask if she's on some form of BC. She says no and I remind her that I came in her. Suddenly she's got Alzheimer's and doesn't remember. She says she'd get an abortion if she's pregnant. I kill that discussion and we promptly go to the pharmacy and get a Plan be pill.

The scare is over, but I don't understand this tactic. We were both drunk, and I can't believe she didn't know I came. Even if she thought I didn't, semen would have been leaking afterwards. It left me mind-boggled and I'm not sure if I should continue seeing her. In my mind if I didn't say anything, a few months later she would have said "hey, we're having a baby![/QUOTE]Some girls don't know. At least some of the time.

Sounds like somebody should be carrying Plan B in their gym bag.

And maybe a Z-pack too, ugh.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2891264]I met a SB on match who was from the Ukraine and we dated and had protected sex. But one day she just jumped on me bareback. Not enough time for anything.

To happen but these types of women will use a kid to trap you. Be ware.[/QUOTE]I had one already pregnant (unknown to me), by my calculations about 8 weeks, tell me not to wrap it up. I did anyway & thank God I did. Based on FB stalkings she ended up trapping some other poor schmuck into being Daddy for someone else's kid. Beware is right.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2891167]Condoms are 18% effective because most people don't use them right. Hard to believe, but check the Planned Parenthood site. I've not been able to find numbers for their effectiveness when used correctly. I'm going to guess 99%.

The withdrawal method is 96% effective when used correctly, and 73% when not used correctly (planned parenthood site again). A big difference (and not to mention STD risks), and when baby is yelling cum in me daddy the big head has to be strong![/QUOTE]IF --you know your ejac pattern, which all of us do from years of beating off, pull out works if you don't have a fast stick -that is --you dribble and get a little pre-ejac cum before the 1st pulse. Younger men who are more excitable probably shouldn't rely on it. In my case, from the 1st ejac sensation it takes a full 5 seconds before a drop appears, so I have a very effective early warning sign, and can pull out effectively. It's fun to see how far you can shoot. Can you hit her face from down below? So fun! . When I time her cycle (and on the pill) I will let the big dog eat.

Interesting that in all of this discussion I have seen nothing about spermicide as a method one can keep in their gym bag or use as a way to be protective.

Many forms of it available from a film to an injected foam or cream to a "bullet" like suppository. The active ingredient, Nonoxynol-9, is something that condoms are often coated with.

I had a FWB girl many years ago that I later found out I was her first, we started with a hat and when I complained she found the spermicide. We used that for 9 months with success.

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So there are alternatives.

Hello brothers. As I had been out of the SB game a bit and my pursuits really have always been LT situations. I need some help with current thinking of 25 yr old SBs. Soooooo still on this trip with my SB of 5 mths. Here and there over the last few maths of course she complains about guys her age. (best I can tell we have been exclusive for about 5 months. Do not have any reason to think otherwise.) . . We were talking about Byounce and how she has been cheated on by Jay Z and she guesses if a chick like that who has everything going for her is cheated on she has no chance. Then she brings up about how all her GFs are always getting used by guys their age (say in their 20's) and its all hook up and fights. She says how that scene is not for her and how she wants a connection to someone she has sex with and how she likes that when we go out I am not just about getting her clothes off everytime. Etc. Sooooo later we go out and have some drinks and this server who waited on us a couple days before at another restaurant (we did chat with her a bit but we always chat with servers when we go out) comes up and says hello to us and we chat for a few but she was on the way out. My SB then tells me " umm She is into you". I'm like. What!. She says. Oh yeah. She is way into you. Then proceeds to say. " you are not very good at picking up ques from women are you? I laugh and say not really. She then says I notice girls checking you out often when we go out (now. I am about 2 x her age and am not Brad Pitt or Clooney but in shape and decent looking) . She says girls like to hunt form other girls but don't worry ill protect you because they can't have what I got. LOL. Ok. Now if a guy says the thing about just hooking up and not their scene we usually say what we mean directly. My question is. Do you think she is indirectly saying she is wanting more out of our relationship. ?or is it that she wants an ok to pursue other guys her age?? Help me with the back and forth meanings of the 20's women please. LOL. FYI. I am not thinking that this could be a LT situation as in years form my end. The age difference is just to great. But if your interpetaion is that this is what she is wanting thenI will work my way out. Other background info. She has a son about 8. And has expressed multiple times that she has NO interest in other children which suits me. LOL.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2892107]Interesting that in all of this discussion I have seen nothing about spermicide as a method one can keep in their gym bag or use as a way to be protective.

Many forms of it available from a film to an injected foam or cream to a "bullet" like suppository. The active ingredient, Nonoxynol-9, is something that condoms are often coated with.

I had a FWB girl many years ago that I later found out I was her first, we started with a hat and when I complained she found the spermicide. We used that for 9 months with success.

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So there are alternatives.[/QUOTE]Used that for about a year with my SB (we're divorced now) and had no issue. The key is to let it melt inside of her, but if you have a particularly long or 'energetic' session, consider reloading. Down side is that there will be no daty after it's inserted. Stay safe!

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2892398]Hello brothers. As I had been out of the SB game a bit and my pursuits really have always been LT situations. I need some help with current thinking of 25 yr old SBs. Soooooo still on this trip with my SB of 5 mths. Here and there over the last few maths of course she complains about guys her age. (best I can tell we have been exclusive for about 5 months. Do not have any reason to think otherwise.) . . We were talking about Byounce and how she has been cheated on by Jay Z and she guesses if a chick like that who has everything going for her is cheated on she has no chance. Then she brings up about how all her GFs are always getting used by guys their age (say in their 20's) and its all hook up and fights. She says how that scene is not for her and how she wants a connection to someone she has sex with and how she likes that when we go out I am not just about getting her clothes off everytime. Etc. Sooooo later we go out and have some drinks and this server who waited on us a couple days before at another restaurant (we did chat with her a bit but we always chat with servers when we go out) comes up and says hello to us and we chat for a few but she was on the way out. My SB then tells me " umm She is into you". I'm like. What!. She says. Oh yeah. She is way into you. Then proceeds to say. " you are not very good at picking up ques from women are you? I laugh and say not really. She then says I notice girls checking you out often when we go out (now. I am about 2 x her age and am not Brad Pitt or Clooney but in shape and decent looking) . She says girls like to hunt form other girls but don't worry ill protect you because they can't have what I got. LOL. Ok. Now if a guy says the thing about just hooking up and not their scene we usually say what we mean directly. My question is. Do you think she is indirectly saying she is wanting more out of our relationship. ?or is it that she wants an ok to pursue other guys her age?? Help me with the back and forth meanings of the 20's women please. LOL. FYI. I am not thinking that this could be a LT situation as in years form my end. The age difference is just to great. But if your interpetaion is that this is what she is wanting thenI will work my way out. Other background info. She has a son about 8. And has expressed multiple times that she has NO interest in other children which suits me. LOL.[/QUOTE]If your going to cut it off then you answered your own question I think. If you want to see how committed she is then tell her that you can't continue the sugar in any amount. If she is committed she will still be there. If it was just the money she won't hang around long. As long as she's collecting a check you will never know for sure. They can put on a pretty good act when the money is good and reliable. Thats part of being a good sb, stroking that ego.

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2892398]Hello brothers. As I had been out of the SB game a bit and my pursuits really have always been LT situations. I need some help with current thinking of 25 yr old SBs. Soooooo still on this trip with my SB of 5 mths. Here and there over the last few maths of course she complains about guys her age. (best I can tell we have been exclusive for about 5 months. Do not have any reason to think otherwise.) . . We were talking about Byounce and how she has been cheated on by Jay Z and she guesses if a chick like that who has everything going for her is cheated on she has no chance. Then she brings up about how all her GFs are always getting used by guys their age (say in their 20's) and its all hook up and fights. She says how that scene is not for her and how she wants a connection to someone she has sex with and how she likes that when we go out I am not just about getting her clothes off everytime. Etc. Sooooo later we go out and have some drinks and this server who waited on us a couple days before at another restaurant (we did chat with her a bit but we always chat with servers when we go out) comes up and says hello to us and we chat for a few but she was on the way out. My SB then tells me " umm She is into you". I'm like. What!. She says. Oh yeah. She is way into you. Then proceeds to say. " you are not very good at picking up ques from women are you? I laugh and say not really. She then says I notice girls checking you out often when we go out (now. I am about 2 x her age and am not Brad Pitt or Clooney but in shape and decent looking) . She says girls like to hunt form other girls but don't worry ill protect you because they can't have what I got. LOL. Ok. Now if a guy says the thing about just hooking up and not their scene we usually say what we mean directly. My question is. Do you think she is indirectly saying she is wanting more out of our relationship. ?or is it that she wants an ok to pursue other guys her age?? Help me with the back and forth meanings of the 20's women please. LOL. FYI. I am not thinking that this could be a LT situation as in years form my end. The age difference is just to great. But if your interpetaion is that this is what she is wanting thenI will work my way out. Other background info. She has a son about 8. And has expressed multiple times that she has NO interest in other children which suits me. LOL.[/QUOTE]Not to be a Debbie Downer but always remember one thing "these SB know what they are doing" and know what us guys like to hear. Especially older guys.

Who may not be hearing this enough and especially from young hot chicks. Always assume SB are just trying to get more money out of you and the best way to do that.

Is to make it look like this is more than an arrangement. Honestly, the best way to find out is to talk about it. If she wants to be exclusive then she needs to tell you.

Remember, they call this an arrangement for a reason. Just my two cents.

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2892398]Hello brothers. As I had been out of the SB game a bit and my pursuits really have always been LT situations. I need some help with current thinking of 25 yr old SBs. Soooooo still on this trip with my SB of 5 mths. Here and there over the last few maths of course she complains about guys her age. (best I can tell we have been exclusive for about 5 months. Do not have any reason to think otherwise.) . . We were talking about Byounce and how she has been cheated on by Jay Z and she guesses if a chick like that who has everything going for her is cheated on she has no chance. Then she brings up about how all her GFs are always getting used by guys their age (say in their 20's) and its all hook up and fights. She says how that scene is not for her and how she wants a connection to someone she has sex with and how she likes that when we go out I am not just about getting her clothes off everytime. Etc. Sooooo later we go out and have some drinks and this server who waited on us a couple days before at another restaurant (we did chat with her a bit but we always chat with servers when we go out) comes up and says hello to us and we chat for a few but she was on the way out. My SB then tells me " umm She is into you". I'm like. What!. She says. Oh yeah. She is way into you. Then proceeds to say. " you are not very good at picking up ques from women are you? I laugh and say not really. She then says I notice girls checking you out often when we go out (now. I am about 2 x her age and am not Brad Pitt or Clooney but in shape and decent looking) . She says girls like to hunt form other girls but don't worry ill protect you because they can't have what I got. LOL. Ok. Now if a guy says the thing about just hooking up and not their scene we usually say what we mean directly. My question is. Do you think she is indirectly saying she is wanting more out of our relationship. ?or is it that she wants an ok to pursue other guys her age?? Help me with the back and forth meanings of the 20's women please. LOL. FYI. I am not thinking that this could be a LT situation as in years form my end. The age difference is just to great. But if your interpetaion is that this is what she is wanting thenI will work my way out. Other background info. She has a son about 8. And has expressed multiple times that she has NO interest in other children which suits me. LOL.[/QUOTE]I say go for it and get into the exclusive GF talks. It sounds like she's all for it. I did the same and it was a great time. A little less than a year my SB / SO fizzled out. A lot had to due with her being "young" and into her peer social scene. It was a good quality relationship and we're considering picking up where we left off. 20's girls go from cold to hot quickly, sometimes in an hour so be patient. Always try to stay solid and lead her. I find these girls are all looking for the right guidance. Be careful though. I glanced at my LTR SB's phone recently while we working out together. Her friend texted her "when are you getting married?" Yikes! Anyways, enjoy the ride.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2892709]If your going to cut it off then you answered your own question I think. If you want to see how committed she is then tell her that you can't continue the sugar in any amount. If she is committed she will still be there. If it was just the money she won't hang around long. As long as she's collecting a check you will never know for sure. They can put on a pretty good act when the money is good and reliable. Thats part of being a good sb, stroking that ego.[/QUOTE]If you go LTR eventually the sugar will cut off or slow down dramatically. Initially my LTR SB was seeing cash when she saw me. I'd say after a few months it was more like normal dating. Sugar or gifting rarely came up after a few months in. Of course she had some perks like food and shelter, but it's much cheaper than pay-per-date or an "allowance" type of girl. At most my girl will ask for some spending cash if she's going out with friends.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2893171]If you go LTR eventually the sugar will cut off or slow down dramatically. Initially my LTR SB was seeing cash when she saw me. I'd say after a few months it was more like normal dating. Sugar or gifting rarely came up after a few months in. Of course she had some perks like food and shelter, but it's much cheaper than pay-per-date or an "allowance" type of girl. At most my girl will ask for some spending cash if she's going out with friends.[/QUOTE]Now your going in another direction. Once they move in and your providing food, shelter and spending cash they move into the gf catagory. Now if you are providing her the same but have different residency then she can still be considered a sb. Now the exception is if she is living with you and is awsre that your still seeing others then you could probably still lump her in the sb catagory.

Hi, I am based out of Charlotte and have always been using only BP until few weeks ago I signed up. By mistake I signed up as sugar baby, and it took me a hell lot to change my account type with SA. Finally I did, since why'day I have been using. I am over whelmed with responses. I travel to Raleigh and I see I get more open minded there but not in my base location. My situation in charlotte is, I do not have a place. I cannot take them to a restaurant or a date to set this up. I can meet only during week days and day time. In this situation, do you think I can still work things out and get some success? Please let me know how I can handle this. Pretty much everyone want me to host, or they say we can book a hotel. I cannot do that, as I need to give my I'd and as such. Would really appreciate any advise. Please feel free to PM me if you can. I would greatly appreciate it. I know am posting in VA forum, but I heard about this board, and its' highly active. Any help would be greatly appreciated. If there are any charlotte mongers in here, please PM me.

This probably will sound like a letter to the Penthouse Forum based on that title!

I'll spare you the labor pains of how I got to this point, but I have found a 20-year-old SB and her 41-year-old mom -- who is actually hotter thanks to some bolt ons but to be fair has a prettier face -- both on seeking arrangement.

The daughter had agreed to meet me last night but then flaked agreed to meet me today, and told me I would only get to fuck her once, so I passed.

Mom is meeting me in about an hour, I made it clear in my messaging to her over the past few weeks what I was interested in, so I'm hoping after a couple of drinks and an appetizer I will be seeing the back of her head from various angles.

I am pretty sure they have no idea about the other being on there -- if they did, I would think the mom would want to know where her daughter was going last night -- if nothing else for safety reasons.

Plus, Daughter has been on the site for 18 months, mom less than two months, though she announced today she was deactivating her account and did.

How wild would it have been to bang a mom and daughter on the same day, six hours apart?

[QUOTE=LoveHate;2893385] I do not have a place. I cannot take them to a restaurant or a date to set this up. I can meet only during week days and day time. [/QUOTE]I'm in the same boat.

initial meet and greets I have done over coffee or lunch -- plenty of discrete locations for something like that. Fortunately, work helps with this as I often hire 20 something females for my call center, so if I'm seen somewhere with an attractive young lady I can always say I was doing an initial interview -- panera and Starbucks and every coffeehouse are flooded with such business meetings - and I had no idea the candidate was so attractive, so obviously I wont be hiring her what was going through the motions of the courtesy of a proper interview.

For hotels, a couple of options have worked for me.

I own my own business, so I will book a hotel room on [URL]hotels.com[/URL]. If the wife ever came to the office and saw my business credit card statements I would just say it's for one of my employees elsewhere in the US since [URL]hotels.com[/URL] doesn't show the specific location on the transaction.

I don't worry so much about showing my I'd. The bigger risk, if any, is in running into someone I know in the hotel lobby might be there for a meeting or conference are visiting a friend who's in from out-of-town. I will than a much much much smaller market than Charlotte so this is a real possibility so I have to be sure to pick discreetly located hotels were no one will see my car in the parking lot. The hotel across from Sam's Club is perfect for this so I can park in the Sam's lot and walk over.

Getting early check ins is easy -- my favorite excuse is one of my colleagues is flying in for meeting and took the redeye and needs a place to change and freshen up.

Depending on your SB, and the younger they are the less they seem to care about their anonymity, is you book the hotel and their name. The only catch here, is even if you prepay the room on [URL]hotels.com[/URL], they usually ask for a credit card or debit card at check in to cover any quote incidental charges" this is less of a problem in the mid to lower scale properties that don't have room service or other things that end up on your room account, and they are set up to deal with the lower end of the economic scale and just block long distance calls pay-per-view and other billable items in your room.

My favorite is to play on pm am Double-header. Book the room after lunch, fuck for a few hours, and she can either go home and meet you again the next morning for another Fuck fest or you can line up a warning event with the second girl. Meet at nine you can usually get a check out at noon, bada bing, bad a boom, two rounds of fun for the price of one-at least on the hotel side. I have had some stay over and see them the next morning, but I make the two rounds and all-inclusive price for her tuition assistance grant. If I really like them or think they are worth the expenditure, I'll put them in a nicer hotel in a more happening part of town, and give them 50 bucks to go out and have dinner since I can't be with them.

Hope that helps.

About Move-In SBs.

Probably most of the SBs I meet eventually take the conversation down a road that, if not spotted quickly for what it is, seems to be feeling around for what my at-home situation is and whether living with me is an option. Sometimes it happens in text the first day and before the M&G, sometimes it happens after the first FC visit. But, sooner or later I find that most of these girls want to know if I'm a move-in candidate. Maybe they say "I'd love to see your place" or something similar, or maybe they just gush about wanting to visit the city I live in. Yeah well not while I have a live-in girlfriend they won't.

Housing is of course a sizeable expense, and depending on their city, rent and utilities in a decent place can easily run close to their total allowance expectation. Those that view sugaring as a business will probably see maximizing their income via multiple SDs as a better option than moving in with one they really like, so to some degree if I don't see them exhibit at least a few "move in" hints, I think they might be career SBs / UTR. College girls who live in a dorm may not even have moving in with you as an option so the subject never comes up, so of course there are exceptions to that rule.

I've met girls that have been "put up" by SDs (a paid apartment or maybe something like an extended stay room) as their primary residence, then all of a sudden SD moves on and they are left without ability to pay the rent or electric. The smarter ones are wise to that risk, and thus are looking to become a more permanent fixture in their SDs life. I actually see more of this than I did a year or two ago, girls that clarify not so much in their profile but in conversation they are looking for something similar to a real relationship and everything that goes with it (including the emotional support aspect. Holy shit where's the exit).

For me the choice is easy -- with no plan to leave my GF, I'm fairly straight up with them that I'm only available on an occasional basis, and that they should not seek emotional attachment. I have spent some amount of time thinking about what I would do if I were single. Good god would it be hard to go back to age-appropriate dating after this. What are the chances of finding someone my age that is hot enough to get my attention? I guess I would be sentenced to a lifetime of sugaring. I don't think I would want one of them to move in with me unless the conditions included the requirement for her to bring home a new, hot female stranger for both of us to play with once a week. I have the curse of the insatiable need for variety... she could be the hottest girl on the planet, but if she's an SB or former SB I don't think she'd really ever capture my heart, which means she's got a short shelf life with me. But then again, if I did this full-time I would have real world budget constraints, and then having a live-in SB that I could roll over on and fuck in the middle of the night might become more appealing.

I'm guilty of this too: looking at some of these young, firm students and wondering if my cock even deserves such tight, un-indoctrined to the rest of the world, pussy.

Don't underestimate the value of your own maturity as an aphrodisiac to them. Every now and then I put these SBs to the test as to why they should have a genuine interest in me beyond financial aspects, because they are young and hot and have so many pursuers.

Sometimes they send me actual screenshots of the shit these 18-22 year old dudes send them on their phones, or maybe they cut and paste their email (be careful of that if you ever use your real name by the way). And while I'm sure I'm sure they get some "good" messages they don't care to share, most of the time they are using this as evidence as to why they want to date someone up to their standard. Believe me if you saw the ridiculous attempts at getting pussy the average under 35 year old guy writes (and believe me I see a lot, they send me the transcripts) you would probably feel a lot better about your own intellect. Then there is facebook. What an incredible tool for the average SD. Some of these girls have these boyfriends or ex boyfriends that look like I could pick them up with one hand and shake them like a baby, but not the kind of baby I want. Some of these little twerps have more tattoo ink on their fucking bodies than dudes born in the 60's or prior have horny blood in their veins. No competition.

So just remember that as a mature SD you have a significant advantage when it comes to maturity and playing upon their psychology.

I ran into similar a couple of years ago on SA. Was chatting with daughter, 19 or 20, didn't click so it didn't go further. A few weeks or so later start chatting with this 30 something young lady. She sends me her number to text, and it was already in my phone. I question her on it, says yeh, it's my daughter. I mentioned it was a bit odd, she commented a lot of guys like that. Sorry, I passed! After a few months, saw the daughter posting on BP, they were down on their luck and hitting bottom I guess. If they were both top shelf and good connection, I could see the draw to do a combo (not together though).

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2894014]This probably will sound like a letter to the Penthouse Forum based on that title!

I'll spare you the labor pains of how I got to this point, but I have found a 20-year-old SB and her 41-year-old mom -- who is actually hotter thanks to some bolt ons but to be fair has a prettier face -- both on seeking arrangement.

The daughter had agreed to meet me last night but then flaked agreed to meet me today, and told me I would only get to fuck her once, so I passed.

Mom is meeting me in about an hour, I made it clear in my messaging to her over the past few weeks what I was interested in, so I'm hoping after a couple of drinks and an appetizer I will be seeing the back of her head from various angles.

I am pretty sure they have no idea about the other being on there -- if they did, I would think the mom would want to know where her daughter was going last night -- if nothing else for safety reasons.

Plus, Daughter has been on the site for 18 months, mom less than two months, though she announced today she was deactivating her account and did.

How wild would it have been to bang a mom and daughter on the same day, six hours apart?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2895702]So just remember that as a mature SD you have a significant advantage when it comes to maturity and playing upon their psychology.[/QUOTE]Here is a text exchange with a 21 year old hard-body hottie at Boston Univ.

Well unfortunately I'm a hard woman to please.
Apr 28,2016.
4:48 PM.


Apr 28,2016.
4:51 PM.

That is a shame. How so? Maybe not. Maybe just a by product of dating clueless 20 somethings!
When was the last time you were properly fucked?



It's been a while. I've been fucked recently, just not necessarily sure if it's been done "properly".
Yesterday.
12:58 AM.



Yesterday.
1:19 AM.
Life is too short to have bad sex.


Couldn't agree wth you more. I wouldn't say it's been bad. Just not as satisfying as I would like it to be.
Yesterday.
3:24 PM.


Yesterday.
3:35 PM.
I love to pleasure and satisfy. Turns me on so much to know you are enjoying me as much as I am enjoying you. My satisfaction is guaranteed and easily achieved. But it is heightened experiencing yours.



I love how sophisticated you sound.
Yesterday.
11:55 PM.

And your confidence is such a turn on.




I rarely go for the college girls, but pretty much have the same conversation with any SB under 30.

Mom shows up, 40 minute later than the previously warned hour late.

Looks as pictured -- though when you arrive at a hotel bar at 940 pm with platinum curls, short skirt, skimpy top, big cans and lots of make up, you can leave the wrong impression! At least she pulled up in a Mercedes!

Shared a drink, chatted about stuff, but she made it clear no BCD on first meeting. Crapped out.

After I gave her a kiss goodbye she said "my "friend" told me she was supposed to meet you today -- how many hook ups have you had since you've been in town?" I told her the truth -- she blew me off -- but refrained from telling her she was willing to give me anal for a $300 one hour visit and that I knew she was her daughter.

Fortunately, I had a back up plan who was quite happy to bang me senseless after one drink. By far the hottest body and prettiest face I have encountered in the Bowl. Almost got her again on my way out of town the next morning.

And for those inquiring minds -- the mom is off SA, the daughter is still on, NC baby in W-S. But she only offers one round even if she meets you for 3 hours.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2891303]Is to cum in their mouth. When I can't do that, I pull out.

I lost count of how many total women I've had sex with sometime when I was in my 20's, I almost always bareback because I'm not a fan of the wrapper. The only time I got anyone pregnant I was a drunken idiot and got in the habit of cumming inside (not at her request, just my own laziness) even when I knew her depo provera shot was no longer protecting her. Thankfully she aborted and I learned my lesson.

It's either going in their mouth, or on their ass / face / tits / tummy whatever.

The effectiveness of the withdrawal method is underrated.[/QUOTE]I am also not a fan of the wrapper but I solved the birth control issue when I first started into the bowl a year ago with a vasectomy. Easily done and painless though I realize many brothers may not be at the right time of life for this personal decision. I have one drunken idiot story to share. I was 19 in my fraternity house bedroom with an 18 yr old first date. We were both wasted (drunk and stoned). I used a condom but then fell asleep for the night with her in my arms. The next morning I woke up but could not find the (used) condom. Figured it was in the sheets someplace but after she headed bck to her dorm I still could not find it. The next night we get together again in my room and I do a careful FIV. Yes you guessed it. The condom was still inside her! I carefully take it out but as a chicken shit 19 year old I don't tell her. Sure enough, 6 weeks later she tells me she is pregnant. Fortunately (roe vs wade had just passed and abortions were legal in ny so she went with a gf and had it done. We continued into a 3 year college relationship even when she had to transfer the very next semester to another college 2 hours away in order to live at home.

I actually banged a mom and daughter a few years ago from tagged. Hopped on, met e daughter was fucking within the hour. Left her, still hungry. Hopped back on tag and found a hot older woman. While flirting and browsing her profile I noticed a pic of her daughter I had recently fucked. Got her number anyway. Ended up going to the exact same apartment the daughter was at. It was about midnight at this point. Went straight to mom's room and ***** her out. Snuck out hastily before morning as to not alert the daughter. I still don't think they know about each other. Got the mom again about 5 months ago.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2894014]This probably will sound like a letter to the Penthouse Forum based on that title!

I'll spare you the labor pains of how I got to this point, but I have found a 20-year-old SB and her 41-year-old mom -- who is actually hotter thanks to some bolt ons but to be fair has a prettier face -- both on seeking arrangement.

The daughter had agreed to meet me last night but then flaked agreed to meet me today, and told me I would only get to fuck her once, so I passed.

Mom is meeting me in about an hour, I made it clear in my messaging to her over the past few weeks what I was interested in, so I'm hoping after a couple of drinks and an appetizer I will be seeing the back of her head from various angles.

I am pretty sure they have no idea about the other being on there -- if they did, I would think the mom would want to know where her daughter was going last night -- if nothing else for safety reasons.

Plus, Daughter has been on the site for 18 months, mom less than two months, though she announced today she was deactivating her account and did.

How wild would it have been to bang a mom and daughter on the same day, six hours apart?[/QUOTE]