Rants and Raves plus Stupid Shit

[QUOTE=MalMonger;2957573]I couldn't agree with you more, Sam, Son of Schenectady. I've complained about this many times and the silence is deafening. No one's ever managed to explain to me why this ridiculous code is a good idea.[/QUOTE]I agree!

From now on I'll post all info in a normal 150 or $150 format. Never understood it either. I think it was an old pre-2004 idea that you couldn't get in trouble for talking about sex and money that way.

Anyway, the new 2016 method is way easier to understand;).

Peace.

PK.

[QUOTE=LokiPk;2958034]I agree!

From now on I'll post all info in a normal 150 or $150 format. Never understood it either. I think it was an old pre-2004 idea that you couldn't get in trouble for talking about sex and money that way.

Anyway, the new 2016 method is way easier to understand;).

Peace.

PK.[/QUOTE]If Loki says it's so. It's fucking so!!

[QUOTE=MalMonger;2958068]If Loki says it's so. It's fucking so!![/QUOTE]Well if that's the case then " y'all' need to send me $5000 ".

Please send it to:

Loki-Pk.
6969 Fucktard Lane.
Walla Walla, Washington 99362.

Just make the check out to CASH;).

Peace.

PK.

[QUOTE=LokiPk;2958034]I agree!

From now on I'll post all info in a normal 150 or $150 format. Never understood it either. I think it was an old pre-2004 idea that you couldn't get in trouble for talking about sex and money that way.

Anyway, the new 2016 method is way easier to understand;).

Peace.

PK.[/QUOTE]Simply, what the gals sometimes use in their adds or on phone.

Roses cost about a dollar each in bulk.

Just sat 150 roses for HH. , or 200 roses for Hr.

[QUOTE=Freedom2B;2959478]Simply, what the gals sometimes use in their adds or on phone.

Roses cost about a dollar each in bulk.

Just sat 150 roses for HH. , or 200 roses for Hr.[/QUOTE]That's kind of my point. Why?

What makes anyone think it is any less incriminating?

Just asking.

Peace.

PK.

[QUOTE=LokiPk;2960002]That's kind of my point. Why?

What makes anyone think it is any less incriminating?

Just asking.

Peace.

PK.[/QUOTE]A rose is not a dollar, a $1. 50 is not much "consideration" in legal terms, vs. $150.

Ask an attorney, like EGrayUpstate. He or other attys may have some insite with this topic.

The best response I can give: [URL]http://redlightlegal.org/no-such-thing-as-safe-escort-ad/[/URL].

Tl; dr it makes no difference what you say. Drug dealers do the same thing with code words, it doesn't work. Maybe, maybe, when they were first used it confounded some people enough but it's been decades of the same terms. Once a term is established its known meaning is just that, known. There is literally nothing you can say that makes anything we all do legal or even confusing enough to be questionably legal. The only reason our whole hobby works is because it would be too expensive and time consuming to target all of us individually. Hunting two consenting adults privately behind closed doors is pretty hard to do, that's why they just set up stings every few years when some politician pushes it.

[QUOTE=Freedom2B;2965419]A rose is not a dollar, a $1. 50 is not much "consideration" in legal terms, vs. $150.

Ask an attorney, like EGrayUpstate. He or other attys may have some insite with this topic.[/QUOTE]Frankly, ANY consideration for sex, dollar or a doughnut, is in violation of the law. Give her one or one hundred and you have paid for sex.
I guess what is important in this conversation is 1.5 or. 5 can be confusing to the uninitiated.... And apparently to seasoned members as well.

So if you're more comfortable saying 150 'roses' then by all means, roses works. But saying .5'roses' can be confusing.

Maybe we can all agree to move forward without the decimal delineation?

As our esteemed colleague EGrayUpstate has shown, that silly code isn't fooling anyone (thank you counselor;)).

Peace.

PK.

[QUOTE=LokiPk;2966647]Frankly, ANY consideration for sex, dollar or a doughnut, is in violation of the law. Give her one or one hundred and you have paid for sex.
I guess what is important in this conversation is 1.5 or. 5 can be confusing to the uninitiated.... And apparently to seasoned members as well.

So if you're more comfortable saying 150 'roses' then by all means, roses works. But saying .5'roses' can be confusing.

Maybe we can all agree to move forward without the decimal delineation?

As our esteemed colleague EGrayUpstate has shown, that silly code isn't fooling anyone (thank you counselor;)).

Peace.

PK.[/QUOTE]You mean I can't use Krispie Kremes anymore?

[QUOTE=LokiPk;2966647]Frankly, ANY consideration for sex, dollar or a doughnut, is in violation of the law. Give her one or one hundred and you have paid for sex.
I guess what is important in this conversation is 1.5 or. 5 can be confusing to the uninitiated.... And apparently to seasoned members as well.

So if you're more comfortable saying 150 'roses' then by all means, roses works. But saying .5'roses' can be confusing.

Maybe we can all agree to move forward without the decimal delineation?

As our esteemed colleague EGrayUpstate has shown, that silly code isn't fooling anyone (thank you counselor;)).

Peace.

PK.[/QUOTE]Yeah. Is is confusing in the beginning, esp. When some get it wrong!

And still causes confusion if they still get it wrong, and some do. Agreed.

[QUOTE=Matt574;2967397]You mean I can't use Krispie Kremes anymore?[/QUOTE]Quail uses blueberry muffins!
;)

LOL.

PEACE.

PK.

Does anyone use this app? Have you used it before inside the hobby? How about out side? How much of a hassle is it to set up? Does it need to be linked to a checking account? - Thanks in advance. Dave.

[QUOTE=Dave518;2992159]Does anyone use this app? Have you used it before inside the hobby? How about out side? How much of a hassle is it to set up? Does it need to be linked to a checking account? - Thanks in advance. Dave.[/QUOTE]Not help with whether venmo is legit or useful or whatever. My experience has always been CASH IS KING! Can not be traced back to you. Cash for provider, motel if needed even for any needed supplies. Just my take but it has served me well. Hammer.

[QUOTE=Dave518;2992159]Does anyone use this app? Have you used it before inside the hobby? How about out side? How much of a hassle is it to set up? Does it need to be linked to a checking account? - Thanks in advance. Dave.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.nextadvisor.com/blog/2016/01/26/venmo-safe-to-use/[/URL]

Seems to have great reviews. The payments are processed by pay pal. Thats good!! Paypal is a trusted source.

I have tried to set up credit cards several times for client convenience, never worked out well. Was ok.

Hammer has a valid point on CASH IS KING tho, its most accessible and no one can play games. Hope this helped.

A husband comes home to find his wife with her suitcases packed in the living room. "Where the hell do you think you're going?" he says. "I'm going to Las Vegas. You can earn $400 for a blow job there, and I figured that I might as well earn money for what I do to you free. " The husband thinks for a moment, goes upstairs, and comes back down, with his suitcase packed as well. "Where do you think you going?" the wife asks. "I'm coming with you. I want to see how you survive on $800 a year!

Perhaps this is a well known fact and only news to me, but just in case I figured I'd share. I visited with one of our favorite ladies yesterday. A short time ago I heard a notification pop up on my cell phone. It was Google Maps asking me to give details about the hotel I visited her at. I selected the option that said "I wasn't there" and it responded that it'd "remove it from my TIMELINE"! I dug a little deeper and found that by default Google Maps keeps a very detailed accounting of your travels and maintains a history. This could be catastrophic if my wife should ever discover this. I'd imagine there are many others here in the same boat.

To check this out for yourself, open Google Maps, select the menu, then select "Your Timeline". You can delete your history and also turn off the history.

[QUOTE=Rdavis1972;3069178]Perhaps this is a well known fact and only news to me, but just in case I figured I'd share. I visited with one of our favorite ladies yesterday. A short time ago I heard a notification pop up on my cell phone. It was Google Maps asking me to give details about the hotel I visited her at. I selected the option that said "I wasn't there" and it responded that it'd "remove it from my TIMELINE"! I dug a little deeper and found that by default Google Maps keeps a very detailed accounting of your travels and maintains a history. This could be catastrophic if my wife should ever discover this. I'd imagine there are many others here in the same boat.

To check this out for yourself, open Google Maps, select the menu, then select "Your Timeline". You can delete your history and also turn off the history.[/QUOTE]I don't use Google maps but this is great that you found this out. What a clusterfuck this could be for the hobby.

I noticed some of the fuys posted they had not received a call back from a few providers.

I can not speak for all but I can say that it can be several reasons to not returning calls.

1) no vmail or txt stating how long to call you back by or if they can call you back at all. Ex: hey this is eric, you can call me till 4 pm.

2) by the time they see your missed call its been 2-3 hours and they don't think it would be convenient to your lifestyle to call back so much later.

3) you have been blacklisted on one or a number of sites and your call / number doesn't even come up on provider's phone log.

4) they don't have time between appts to return every call or txt or email or pm they have recieved.

5) phone issues.

6) not avail / working the day you call.

7) family emergency.

8) they don't take calls or set appts thru app numbers or computer generated numbers and you are calling via app or computer generated phone number. We can tell when its app or comp number. It comes up different.

8) had unexpected lady issues.

That's just a few off the top of my head in 2 minutes.

I just wanted to provide a little insight to the other side of a coin that you gentlemen may not think of or be able to see.

Hope that helps some.

Don't stand in front of the mirror! - Us guys do check these pictures closely When we can't be doing our hobby, we are dreaming about our next date. - Is this any of our members? - LOL All three people are very photogenic!

Check out " why have one when you could have two" BP if link does not work.

[URL]http://albany.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/y-have-1-when-u-can-have-two/22405757[/URL]

[QUOTE=Dave518;3077422]Don't stand in front of the mirror! - Us guys do check these pictures closely When we can't be doing our hobby, we are dreaming about our next date. - Is this any of our members? - LOL All three people are very photogenic!

Check out " why have one when you could have two" BP if link does not work.

[URL]http://albany.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/y-have-1-when-u-can-have-two/22405757[/URL][/QUOTE]Funny. I just assumed the guy was Loki!

[QUOTE=WarrenAJeffers;3078032]Funny. I just assumed the guy was Loki![/QUOTE]Har Har Hardy Har Har!!

PK.

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Hows this for backing off? Guys that tell guys not to post are committing the second deadly sin of the forum. Guys that tell me to back off about it and then go into long winded bullshit explanations about it are gone. I've heard them all, the cops use the forum, they don't or after 17 years there would have been at least one post admitted into evidence and right now we are like 2,000,000 without a one showing up.

In this case "the owners of the AMP's read the forum and fire the chicks" ok, do the chicks not need to pay their bills anymore? Are there no other AMP's? The market solves that problem.

It's really simple, if you don't want to post then don't, you don't have to but don't tell people not to fucking post. This is not Silk Road and you guys are not Tony fucking Montana.

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You can't make this shit up! LOL.

[URL]http://news10.com/2016/11/18/ohio-woman-accused-of-trying-to-sell-sex-for-nachos/[/URL]

BEAVER TOWNSHIP, OH (WKBN) – A man and suspected prostitute were arrested in Beaver, Ohio during a sting involving an undercover officer.

Beaver Police said the officer texted a woman, 36-year-old Crystal * who had an advertisement for sex services on Youngstown's Backpage website. Police said Hotlosz agreed to meet the officer at Los Gallos for a sex act at a price of $50 and some nachos.

[quote=rdavis1972;3155819]you can't make this shit up! Lol.

[url]http://news10.com/2016/11/18/ohio-woman-accused-of-trying-to-sell-sex-for-nachos/[/url]

beaver township, oh (wkbn) a man and suspected prostitute were arrested in beaver, ohio during a sting involving an undercover officer.

Beaver police said the officer texted a woman, 36-year-old crystal * who had an advertisement for sex services on youngstown's backpage website. Police said hotlosz agreed to meet the officer at los gallos for a sex act at a price of $50 and some nachos.[/quote]beaver. Rofl.

Whats the difderence between erotic and kinky?

Erotic you use a feather, kinky you use the whole chicken!!

ROTFLMAO!!

[QUOTE=Quail;3214994]I'm reading the comments in this thread about the Gangbangs and all the criticisms and condemnations thrown about the providers that are doing the Gangbangs. Similar threads about providers that allow bareback or cream pies in individual one on one dates are on other sites. Here's my take on the issue. Guys - if you want to partake in the Gangbangs, NO ONE is forcing you to do bareback or cream pies! NO ONE is physically grabbing your cock and putting it in any hole bareback. It's YOUR decision ONLY! You want to put on a condom and fuck away, go for it. Let's NOT condemn the women as the only ones being at fault here. As for individual one on one sessions between you and the provider, that's between the two of you. Many men DO bareback but choose NOT to mention it in their review. Let's not kid ourselves. Maybe because the provider doesn't want everyone to know so that may either get her more clients that will expect it for themselves. OR as some members have stated here, that fact of bareback will change their mind and won't see that provider now. And don't forget that some other providers also may choose to reject and appointment with a client because the client may do bareback at Gangbangs or be stupid enough to write a review saying that he did bareback.

All I'm expressing here is that we ALL have a choice to have safe sex. Let's be fucking fair here.[/QUOTE]I don't agree with bashing people for their personal choices, though I also don't think anybody was doing that here. I saw a couple guys suggesting they themselves wouldn't want to see a provider again because they've learned she offers bareback. They didn't knock her, or condemn her I any way that I saw.

Also, to take the stance that a provider is only risking her own health by doing bareback because you have the choice of covering up and protecting yourself is a bunch of BS. For me it's about minimizing risk. We all know the risks involved in the hobby, if you don't bad on you. That being said a provider that offers bareback increases her risk. Whether you choose to cover up with that provider or not, your risk is increased as well. I've had plenty of covers break in my day. Fortunately it hasn't happened with a provider YET, but it certainly could. When it does, now her risky choices affect me. As I've said, I get that it's part of the game, but that's why some guys, myself included may choose to avoid a provider that they KNOW is doing this. Minimizing risk. Other girls MAY also be doing this, this girl IS doing it.

Let's not be so quick to bash members who choose to protect themselves either. If they're not disrespecting the girls in the process, no harm, no foul.

Has anyone read anything lately about the on going battle surrounding Back Page? The mongers I know are not able to speak out about it because of our significant others. Where are all the freedom of the press groups when you really need them?

[QUOTE=TinMan357;3232941]Picked up britney today on state st in schenectady, great BBBJ and likes to swallow, no spit and rince, she is a petite brunette with nice perky A's,said she will be around at 6 pm on m,w,f day. No number.[/QUOTE]Random thought / advice for what it is worth, you made an incredibly bad choice for a handle! When I see a new member with only two posts drop a note mentioning a specific SW who will be out at specific dates and times, and I have never heard of her or seen her in my daily schenectady travels, well let's just say I am already cautious. We all appreciate information, and everyone has to be "new" at some point, but you might not want your handle to be a common nickname for uncle LEO. Just saying.

[QUOTE=Snood273;3236769]Random thought / advice for what it is worth, you made an incredibly bad choice for a handle! When I see a new member with only two posts drop a note mentioning a specific SW who will be out at specific dates and times, and I have never heard of her or seen her in my daily schenectady travels, well let's just say I am already cautious. We all appreciate information, and everyone has to be "new" at some point, but you might not want your handle to be a common nickname for uncle LEO. Just saying.[/QUOTE]He might just like the Wizard of Oz movie.

[QUOTE=Snood273;3236769]Random thought / advice for what it is worth, you made an incredibly bad choice for a handle! When I see a new member with only two posts drop a note mentioning a specific SW who will be out at specific dates and times, and I have never heard of her or seen her in my daily schenectady travels, well let's just say I am already cautious. We all appreciate information, and everyone has to be "new" at some point, but you might not want your handle to be a common nickname for uncle LEO. Just saying.[/QUOTE]Funny. In another city down south, there was a poster who was active and new and had a handle KingKongLeo.

Now THAT was a flag until proven otherwise (we think).

He has since changed it but only after about a year and a half.

Visually, it always caused one to pause, just like the above mentioned handle.

[QUOTE=Dave518;3234028]Has anyone read anything lately about the on going battle surrounding Back Page? The mongers I know are not able to speak out about it because of our significant others. Where are all the freedom of the press groups when you really need them?[/QUOTE]If concerned, if all of you concerned of this censorship were to send anonymous letters stating the issue to the New York Civil Liberties Union at: NYCLU at 90 State Street, Suite 518, Albany, NY 12207 L:.

Or to the ACLU at: 125 Broad Street #18, New York, NY 10004, or call. (212) 549-2500 : then your 'voices' may be used for your concern.

Generally, I detest the ACLU, but they will fight for constitutional issues if the facts are direct assault.

I am not sure that the People v. Larry Flynt case was correctly decided way back when, but the Flynt case sets precedent, probably, for the BP issue.

Where are the libertarians when the escorts need them?? Maybe all the lobbyists are too busy with pot legislation efforts.

I do believe that advertising for allegedly illegal activities is not covered by free speech rights. Now, if one wants to advertise and expound on the merits of or LACK of merits to such laws, that is covered.

Now, if each provider were to state that they were wanting to produce art films, like larry flynt, and maybe some rehearsing or casting is first required to check suitability, then it would be legal speech / commerce, technically, or other ways around the issue. But the category could also be re-titled as.

"Escort Fantasy Posting. Not reality", then the postings may be legit with free publishing speech to post fantasy. Whether it leads to a mutual meet-up later, well, then that is a different issue of discussion or legality, but that segment would be behind closed doors. OR. What if the fantasy ad leads to phone dialog / phone sex-words for fantasy as per the ad, then maybe a different subsequent meet-up, plausibly "indirect" to the ad, but between two consenting adults, what then? I know, that is too complicated for a desperate drugggg addled provider. These are just scenarios of arguent. Words mean things. Plausible Deniability is key to most things legal. Ask any higher up politician, maybe with a name like Clinton! LOL.

The alternative argument is that ALL women who have sex with men are "providers" who are accepting things. Dinner, travel, presents, whatever, outside of marriage it should technically all be the same and illegal whereas the registered marriage is what makes such "trade" for services as being legal due to "marital duties" as such. Consumation and continuation of sex. The laws EXPECT it there. It is legally used by injured parties for damages for loss of such sexual action (attorneys know the legal term, I forgot it) or for Divorce actions. Failure to provide "wifely duties"/ lack of sex. LOL. (sucks to be married person, I guess).

OK. Done rambling on about this. Too early to think straight anyway.

[QUOTE=Freedom2B;3237070]Funny. In another city down south, there was a poster who was active and new and had a handle KingKongLeo.

Now THAT was a flag until proven otherwise (we think).

He has since changed it but only after about a year and a half.

Visually, it always caused one to pause, just like the above mentioned handle.[/QUOTE]Some people like to project there bs onto others, so Ill explain my handle, The tinman had no heart nor did I while playing collage ball, hence its a nickname, also I work with tin and steal. The 357 is because I'm packing all the time, so keep your conjecture to your self, and yes I am new here but an old pro in the world.

The problem with freedom of speech advocates fighting for BP is that they are generally the same makeup of people who are also involved in anti-prostitution / trafficking groups. So, it's hard politically to fight on one hand and defend on the other. They are also the same people who want the CEO and 2 other shareholders to face criminal charges (thrown out in California and thrown out on appeal, and SCOTUS refused to hear it defacto affirming a lower appellate court throwing out charges both criminally and in a civil suit). They are fighting so many legal battles right now it is really hard to track. California, Washington, SCOTUS just decided not to hear an appeal, the Senate. It's rough.

[QUOTE=TinMan357;3238244]Some people like to project there bs onto others, so Ill explain my handle, The tinman had no heart nor did I while playing collage ball, hence its a nickname, also I work with tin and steal. The 357 is because I'm packing all the time, so keep your conjecture to your self, and yes I am new here but an old pro in the world.[/QUOTE]I meant no I'll will. Just a good laugh at your handle which, regardless of your nickname's origin, stands out on a board such as this. Pm me if you ever need additional info on any posts I have made. I'll be happy to help.

Am I seeing things or has that old haunt across from SUNY been torn down? If so, there should be some kind of monger ceremony to commemorate its demise. .

Nicely put! .

[QUOTE=Freedom2B;3237672]If concerned, if all of you concerned of this censorship were to send anonymous letters stating the issue to the New York Civil Liberties Union at: NYCLU at 90 State Street, Suite 518, Albany, NY 12207 L:.

Or to the ACLU at: 125 Broad Street #18, New York, NY 10004, or call. (212) 549-2500 : then your 'voices' may be used for your concern.

Generally, I detest the ACLU, but they will fight for constitutional issues if the facts are direct assault.

I am not sure that the People v. Larry Flynt case was correctly decided way back when, but the Flynt case sets precedent, probably, for the BP issue.

Where are the libertarians when the escorts need them?? Maybe all the lobbyists are too busy with pot legislation efforts.

I do believe that advertising for allegedly illegal activities is not covered by free speech rights. Now, if one wants to advertise and expound on the merits of or LACK of merits to such laws, that is covered.

Now, if each provider were to state that they were wanting to produce art films, like larry flynt, and maybe some rehearsing or casting is first required to check suitability, then it would be legal speech / commerce, technically, or other ways around the issue. But the category could also be re-titled as.

"Escort Fantasy Posting. Not reality", then the postings may be legit with free publishing speech to post fantasy. Whether it leads to a mutual meet-up later, well, then that is a different issue of discussion or legality, but that segment would be behind closed doors. OR. What if the fantasy ad leads to phone dialog / phone sex-words for fantasy as per the ad, then maybe a different subsequent meet-up, plausibly "indirect" to the ad, but between two consenting adults, what then? I know, that is too complicated for a desperate drugggg addled provider. These are just scenarios of arguent. Words mean things. Plausible Deniability is key to most things legal. Ask any higher up politician, maybe with a name like Clinton! LOL.

The alternative argument is that ALL women who have sex with men are "providers" who are accepting things. Dinner, travel, presents, whatever, outside of marriage it should technically all be the same and illegal whereas the registered marriage is what makes such "trade" for services as being legal due to "marital duties" as such. Consumation and continuation of sex. The laws EXPECT it there. It is legally used by injured parties for damages for loss of such sexual action (attorneys know the legal term, I forgot it) or for Divorce actions. Failure to provide "wifely duties"/ lack of sex. LOL. (sucks to be married person, I guess).

OK. Done rambling on about this. Too early to think straight anyway.[/QUOTE]

Just because you say it's fantasy, just like if you say "No illegal activities, no sex", that doesn't somehow protect it or make it legal. It's what you are actually doing, not necessarily how you get to it. In the end, money is exchanged for sex regardless of what sort of meaningless disclaimer you use.

You can't exactly advertise a goat for sale if goats are illegal to sell and dress them up in your sale ad as "sweet, tender rams" and expect that the wording of the ad will make them legal because you have described them as "sweet and tender".

Well we've had the rants and raves and now it's time for some stupid stuff. In my travels I have experienced many a female access portal of varying positioning as to front mounted or more to the rear. What's that you say? Everyone has seen this! But my contention is that there is a direct link between foot size and plumbing position. The bigger the feet the more forward mounted will be the juicy access. The smaller the feet the more lower centered the heavenly gate. So if you are a fan of doggie then look for the ones with small feet. And if you like to take them from the front or up against a wall-look for big feet! Just something else to have on your mind while trying to keep it up!!

Told you it would be stupid! Hammer.

Is there an exceptional dearth of half-way attractive local talent these days? It's never been a great area with a lot of options but the pickings seem especially few and fairly hideous for quite some time. Has everyone gone below the radar or is it simply a long drought?