Rants, Raves & Opinions

[QUOTE=Mizunate;5564632]The issue with any conversation about 'what's wrong with TNA' is that everything is wrong with TNA.

TNA was never great, but it WAS good. At one point, providers listed, people met up, fun was had, and that was the bulk of the board activity. That's not to say there weren't idiots (waddup RP Chartier) trying in earnest to run game all over the board, but it was pretty clear who they were. Some hobbyists were fools, some providers were rude / terrible, and it became known quickly. Much like USA, staying abreast of the conversations told you everything you need to know.

At one point, providers got the idea they were ALL worth a premium because SOME were worth a premium. They seem to view it as 'if you want to get laid, you owe a girl $x' while completely ignoring everything else about the hobby. It's like saying a Camry should cost the same as a Land Rover because they both get you from point A to B.

Mods are also a problem. The mods / ownership are HIGHLY protective of providers, who pay their bills. Some think that means a provider is at least a part-owner (waddup SaraFoxxx) and has influence. Maybe that's the case, I don't know. What I DO know is the mods / ownership now curate and censor what doesn't reflect well on the site while protecting those who pay the bills. There have been alerts of women doing VERY shady things, but still being allowed to post ads. Meanwhile, some guy whispers anything about BBFS and they get banned for life. You tell ME who TNA is for.

Unfortunately, the only real option IMO is to separate the posts and reviews from the board itself. That's why USASG should add a review section and maybe add better search functionality. Moreover, providers should be prohibited from commenting or posting here. That's not me being shitty about providers sharing this board, it's a measure to prevent white-knights and generous reviews from jading any board. I am also open to TNA prohibiting hobbyists from posting or commenting, and the alerts section being for providers who need / want to alert other providers about hobbyists much as we would write alerts and reviews here on USASG about providers. The back-and-forth-he-said-she-said and sycophantic behavior only make things worse; it can keep some honest, but by and large it's just discourse that goes nowhere.[/QUOTE]I haven't spent much (any) time on TNA, but the site philosophy and operation sounds a lot like the old hooker site called "Indys. " They catered to the Philly area. It was magical land, completely provider-centric, no bad reviews were allowed to exist, and white knights combed the site looking for hooker lasses to defend. The site admin as much as admitted it was all about the providers.

Anyway, they're gone now. Good.

Its not quite there but its getting there there is a lot of selection on tna that keeps it alive as NachoCheese said point 3.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5564702]I haven't spent much (any) time on TNA, but the site philosophy and operation sounds a lot like the old hooker site called "Indys. " They catered to the Philly area. It was magical land, completely provider-centric, no bad reviews were allowed to exist, and white knights combed the site looking for hooker lasses to defend. The site admin as much as admitted it was all about the providers.

Anyway, they're gone now. Good.[/QUOTE]

The problem with web servers is that there is a single point of contention and failure that's the reason why there is a cartel having a website frontend with a p2 p backend defeats hte purpose instead we have a distributed database shared over p2 p every monger should have a complete copy of the database on their phone this would address point 2 that NachoCheese the key is ethereum blockchain brothers side loading the apk is exactly how it would need to be distributed but are you going to talk a provider into using fdroid I didn't think so lmfao so that's another reason to make it monger only rates are only going to change as the market dictates that's just how economics works we ahve no control over that unfortuantely but if the app were able to do statistics to give providers an idea of what is fair then maybe we might have some ammo if we are dealing with a reasonable provider but the last time I tried to tell a girl I could get it cheaper she said go see someone else than lmao I am reluctant to give girls access to this app because inevitably the wk and soibois follow we could also use pgp signatures like protonmail does to verify mongers yes I have thought a lot about this my problem is all my free time is taken up banging hos lmao.

[QUOTE=Valinor;5564515]Yeah, an official app would probably be pulled quickly, but there's no reason one couldn't make a similar front-end design on a mobile site. The only down side to that is less access to the native OS and features. Could always side load the apk for android so the play store can't stop you. Not sure what the side load process for iPhone is.

And a website could conceivably do some type of peer to peer thing. It's a bit of a question as to whether you want P2P for resistance to takedowns or just a less centralized control / moderation.

I'll give it some thought. Rates are a hard thing to influence as a platform, but maybe we could make an analytics dashboard for providers where they can record their earnings per session, time worked, etc. And project income based on specific rate levels. If they make more at lower price points that are backed up by data, it may influence prices. It's a double-edged sword though as they may find out they make more by charging more![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Valinor;5563516]What features are you looking for in a platform? I'm desperately busy but may be able to throw together a quick implementation so you could test out whether the features you're looking for are actually beneficial to the hobby.

I'm not a UI guy though so it may not be very pretty.[/QUOTE]One of the major features I had planned out was web-of-trust constrained visibility on activity tags that could be applied to reviews. Simplified example: Say that a hobbiest and provider met up and did a few specific things. After both the hobbiest and provider confirm that those things happened on review by applying activity tags to that review, the hobbiest could see tags of other providers who share hobbiests with providers they have already seen. It's nice since it keeps the information discreet: people can't see what's going on unless they're already confirmed as participating in it, and it's only visible to those who are also confirmed as participating in it. It has its downsides as well. That's a lot of information concentrated in a very small place.

Another feature I had in mind was significantly more advanced search functionality. Imagine being able to search for "redheads under 25 Portland incall two weeks."

That's just two ideas of a dozen brainstormed.

[QUOTE=ShootingBlanks;5563906]Tna is beyond saving at this point we just have to live with it but of course I like my solution the best of course I do and I think it should be reserved to mongers only reviews should be our domain only they should be completely candid and criticism should be welcome with plausible deniability the girl should be able to validate the mongers claims of services rendered if she wants like validating parking lmao in this way the monger does the advertising for her I'm not so sure that's the right way tho solving the BBFS puzzle is a tough one but I do think some girls wnat to be candid about their menu they just dont want to be shamed or cut off from the herd.[/QUOTE]Another feature I had planned was allowing providers to review hobbiests. That may seem like a bad thing, but look at things from her perspective: she's going to be a lot more comfortable knowing the guy who's about to fuck her isn't a complete psychopath. As I've mentioned in my previous posts, comfort opens doors.

With all due respect what you propose is a solution in search of a problem where's the problem with the way providers have it now how do you explain the hundreds if not thousands of providers already happily offering their servcies using the tools they already have on tna so they must already be comfortable in doing so right now otherwise they would not.

Like chris rock said men and women both lie but women tell the biggest lies it wouldn't be used honestly it would be used to absolutely blockade anyone without flawless genetics so I would be the only one getting any action and every other monger would starve MORE comfort would open doors for THEM but not US MORE comfort would turn the 80-20 rule into the 99-1 rule.

I'm sure that's just the tip of the iceberg it will lead to all sorts of other side effects drama and bullshit.

If our roses are to hold value the app should be mongers ONLY trying to be fair can only devalue our roses because women don't give a shit about fair. Women only want to fuck the top 0. 000001% the rest can piss into the wind why help them with that LOL.

[QUOTE=NachoCheese;5565451]Another feature I had planned was allowing providers to review hobbiests. That may seem like a bad thing, but look at things from her perspective: she's going to be a lot more comfortable knowing the guy who's about to fuck her isn't a complete psychopath. As I've mentioned in my previous posts, comfort opens doors.[/QUOTE]

This however is a very good idea you also got to remember the less work they have to do the better they will feel about participating this could be dressed up as "reviewing" the hobbit actually rather than writing some essay about the encounter they just check off a few boxes confirming his claims.

I personally think that in general if women want to comment about dudes to other women they already have their own ways of doing so and it usually just invlolves their closest girlfriends I have yet to meet a provider that has more then mabey 1 or 2 provider friends on tna.

[QUOTE=NachoCheese;5565433]One of the major features I had planned out was web-of-trust constrained visibility on activity tags that could be applied to reviews. Simplified example: Say that a hobbiest and provider met up and did a few specific things. After both the hobbiest and provider confirm that those things happened on review by applying activity tags to that review, the hobbiest could see tags of other providers who share hobbiests with providers they have already seen. It's nice since it keeps the information discreet: people can't see what's going on unless they're already confirmed as participating in it, and it's only visible to those who are also confirmed as participating in it. It has its downsides as well. That's a lot of information concentrated in a very small place.

Another feature I had in mind was significantly more advanced search functionality. Imagine being able to search for "redheads under 25 Portland incall two weeks."

That's just two ideas of a dozen brainstormed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShootingBlanks;5567457]This however is a very good idea you also got to remember the less work they have to do the better they will feel about participating this could be dressed up as "reviewing" the hobbit actually rather than writing some essay about the encounter they just check off a few boxes confirming his claims.

I personally think that in general if women want to comment about dudes to other women they already have their own ways of doing so and it usually just invlolves their closest girlfriends I have yet to meet a provider that has more then mabey 1 or 2 provider friends on tna.[/QUOTE]I've always kinda thought many tna providers have their own back channel way of knowing some about us. On many occasions when reaching out to or meeting a provider I've never seen before she already knows I'm good. I've even been told more than once that they were wondering when I'd finally contact them. I never really bother with giving references so I do think they kind of put it out there who's good and who's not.

[QUOTE=ShootingBlanks;5567457]This however is a very good idea you also got to remember the less work they have to do the better they will feel about participating this could be dressed up as "reviewing" the hobbit actually rather than writing some essay about the encounter they just check off a few boxes confirming his claims.

I personally think that in general if women want to comment about dudes to other women they already have their own ways of doing so and it usually just invlolves their closest girlfriends I have yet to meet a provider that has more then mabey 1 or 2 provider friends on tna.[/QUOTE]There is a closed tna group providers only. Most likely that is it.

That settles it they have theirs we need a mongers only group case closed I'm not one to buy into conspiracies I think the simplest most likely thing is that women are born prostitutes by nature and they love their job lmao most of the girls I've been with on the board strike me as sex addicts thats why they "know we're good" I have the same experience as Jumbotron usually even the girls that look like gold diggers really arent they absolutely worship dick but its still a job call it a hobby all you want but it is after all a job to them lets face it hookers are pretty rad usually about the only downside is they are addicting af lmfao.

[QUOTE=ORTailBlazer;5568133]There is a closed tna group providers only. Most likely that is it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShootingBlanks;5568251]That settles it they have theirs we need a mongers only group case closed I'm not one to buy into conspiracies I think the simplest most likely thing is that women are born prostitutes by nature and they love their job lmao most of the girls I've been with on the board strike me as sex addicts thats why they "know we're good" I have the same experience as Jumbotron usually even the girls that look like gold diggers really arent they absolutely worship dick but its still a job call it a hobby all you want but it is after all a job to them lets face it hookers are pretty rad usually about the only downside is they are addicting af lmfao.[/QUOTE]I do not agree with all of this LOL but one thing I do is that mongers need a private group. I think the rates are out of hand, everything is an upsell and the pics are almost always outdated.

I enjoy ladies who are legit and real and who understand that we are giving them donations so yes we should have a clear understanding going into the date. I have a few where the rates are good they have an openmind.

Now it seems our money and their feelings mean more than our time and feelings. Us hobbits do have feelings too. I know who knew right?

I would like a simple private site where we can do reviews. Knowing what is on the menu YMMV of course but then whether pics are outdated and so on.

There are so many great providers out there but they seem to be getting shunned for having reasonable rates and a more open menu. We should gear our revenue to those great providers. They deserve it.

[QUOTE=Boomer14;5531568][URL]https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2236290-Since-when-did-it-become-normal-to%85[/URL]

Check out this thread by Daisy. She's a very refreshing voice. The funny thing is all the idiot white knights falling all over themselves to defend cancellation fees and alert extortion by toxic entitled providers.

BTW I'd like to nominate Bigbooblover83 for White Knight of the year.[/QUOTE]This thread is puke-worthy. The OP want's to frame his WK approach as just careing and sharing.

[URL]https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2250381-Cry-baby-hobbyist[/URL]

He love all the big boobs but do the big boobs love him lmao.

[QUOTE=Boomer14;5572204]This thread is puke-worthy. The OP want's to frame his WK approach as just careing and sharing.

[URL]https://www.tnaboard.com/showthread.php?2250381-Cry-baby-hobbyist[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShootingBlanks;5572433]He love all the big boobs but do the big boobs love him lmao.[/QUOTE]The usual suspect providers all said gushy things about him. Does that mean they'll give him a discount?!

Or is that how he'll get to do them bare?

Each and everyone of them, no matter how many times you've seen her, will rip you off if you give them the opportunity. The women in this profession are master manipulators, many of them have serious psychological issues, and are narcissistic. This is the reason why I treat these relationships as a transaction. I don't get emotionally involved because once you are, they will see the opportunity and pounce. I've been doing this for 15 years. You can see this play out now on TNA with these ridiculous posts. TNA used to be a good place because it was pretty successful at keeping both hobbyists and providers in check, now the balance of power has completely shifted to providers, and that is why the page has become so toxic. Ruby was on that one post saying that this board is responsible for killing providers and forcing them into drug addiction. This is what happens when you allow manipulative, narcissistic individuals to have zero self responsibility. Which is why more and more providers are charging deposits and then keeping them unethically. They do it because they can and the board allows the behavior. White knights are just guys who truly believe that these women have an ounce of ethics and they like women, and all men are hard wired to protect women.

I've had regulars like everyone else. It never has worked to my advantage. Usually what happens is she starts asking for more money, feels she can cancel whenever she wants, and / or starts bringing you into her personal insanity of her life. Many times, in my experience, she will end up stealing from you. These are not good people. If you want to meet a good woman who could be a life partner, have friends introduce one to you, meet one at a party, shit, meet one in a bar. I'm not saying anyone here thinks they can meet their future wife in this hobby, but some of you tend to think that you can have a relationship with them. You can't. You are nothing to them.