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This Asian lady is a good actress. So has an act to get dinner and some money out of you. That's all though.
You are getting nothing sexual from her. You have been warned.
[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e9534297-8cac-0186-0906-c8a482c70e89[/URL]
[QUOTE=TravelinSD;2884892]I know there has been discussion over guys who overpay and promote the GPS we run into. Here is an example of that. There's an SB I met off SA 3 years ago. We hit it off na saw each other for a few months at $$ per meet. We got to be really close friends and at the same time she decided to go more the pro route. We ended our formal SD / SB relationship, but remained friends. We do get together for a roll in the hay on occasion, plus she gives a killer massage, but mostly just get together for brunch every couple of months.
Anyway, in addition to doing body rubs off BP, she's also still on SA. She related that she just landed this guy that after one M&G just met her for an FC date. The agreed on amount was $400. In her words from a text to me, "I forgot condoms, he didn't have any. Fooled around for like 20 minutes. Was there for not even 2 hrs, $400. I plan on keeping this guy around, LOL".
There are guys out there who apparently have money to burn, LOL.
Good hunting!
Travelin.[/QUOTE]I have no problems with guys that have the money to spend, its a matter of life. What I have problems with is the pros and utr girls on SA that shouldn't be there posin g as sb. These girls take advantage of alot of guys who have no idea that they are professional girls. The biggest problem is the guys who know better and don't review them on the escort thread where they belong or at least post links to these girls.
Other progressive threads like Cincinnati post the sa and BP links.
[QUOTE=FTP1999;2884992]This Asian lady is a good actress. So has an act to get dinner and some money out of you. That's all though.
You are getting nothing sexual from her. You have been warned.
[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e9534297-8cac-0186-0906-c8a482c70e89[/URL][/QUOTE]I think she had Ger radar out. The profile is no longer active and has been deleted.
[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2885014]I have no problems with guys that have the money to spend, its a matter of life. What I have problems with is the pros and utr girls on SA that shouldn't be there posin g as sb. These girls take advantage of alot of guys who have no idea that they are professional girls. The biggest problem is the guys who know better and don't review them on the escort thread where they belong or at least post links to these girls.
Other progressive threads like Cincinnati post the sa and BP links.[/QUOTE]Not only that, but the pros on the SD sites posing as SBs, and the johns posing as SDs that cater to them, present a potential hazard to SB websites because they are bringing blatant illegal activity and related unwanted attention toward those sites. Not that I think prostitution should even be illegal in the first place, so I'm not passing judgement on that hobby at all, but the SD / SB is something different when done right and I get tired of them being intermingled for the convenience of those that can't be bothered to learn the difference.
There is nothing illegal about an older man providing lifestyle upgrades to a much younger girlfriend, but making specific monetary offers for sex is, and if not controlled will result in complications like credit card payments being made unavailable to the SD sites or the sites being shut down entirely.
When I view the "sugar baby" threads in some of these other cities, I feel like many of them are mostly centered around using the concept of "sugarbabying" as an extension of BP escort hookups, with little differentiation. Tragic.
Richmond is actually only one of many cities I actually schedule SB meets in, and not even one of my primary ones -- I always say anything east of Dallas is fair game for the Lizard But I'm thankful that for whatever reason the Richmond thread seems to have the most solid grasp of the difference between SBs and escorts. We had a little bit of a shakeup a few months back but most of the douche-baggery has either left (or maybe I just don't see them if they are still here because I placed the only 2-3 offenders on my ignore list).
Honestly whether UTR girls fall into the category of threats to SD websites? I don't know... probably not as long as they truly stay off the radar. I personally don't want anything to do with them but if they aren't drawing unwanted attention to an otherwise perfectly legal lifestyle, then I don't have a problem with it. I have a problem with high volume girls pretending they are something they are not, just as I have a problem with chicks with dicks pretending they are a chick, but dishonesty is what it is.
I think the problem was solved with 200.
20 would be too easy.
[QUOTE=Lebruno;2883676]Seriously? You solved the 600 new phone request with. 20 phone repair offer. Pretty smart move. Good luck w the weekend FC date.[/QUOTE]
Recently I came across these apps (like Burner, sideline etc.) on Google app store as well as Apple store which claim to provide a separate burner number. Has anyone used these before? Is it truly anonymous or is it just a ruse? If it works then it would be good and remove the cost and effort of keeping a separate phone.
First of all kudos for this(and the SB faq) awesome thread. Its very well laid out with lots of important info and tricks. I have been on SA for a few months but so far it hasn't been any lucky for me and I am wondering if I may need to make modifications to my profile. What do most of you guys mention in "What I am looking for" section of your profile? Right now I have mentioned all those common phrases like someone with chemistry, fun etc. But I am wondering if I should be specific to what I actually need - Physical intimacy (or FC in other words)? I thought mentioning that would turn away the possible SBs as they might thinks it as a risk. And also if I should mention then what would be the best way to phrase it? Any example template would be helpful. You can PM me as well.
[QUOTE=MajorBoy5;2885426]First of all kudos for this(and the SB faq) awesome thread. Its very well laid out with lots of important info and tricks. I have been on SA for a few months but so far it hasn't been any lucky for me and I am wondering if I may need to make modifications to my profile. What do most of you guys mention in "What I am looking for" section of your profile? Right now I have mentioned all those common phrases like someone with chemistry, fun etc. But I am wondering if I should be specific to what I actually need - Physical intimacy (or FC in other words)? I thought mentioning that would turn away the possible SBs as they might thinks it as a risk. And also if I should mention then what would be the best way to phrase it? Any example template would be helpful. You can PM me as well.[/QUOTE]Be urself. Most women on the site understand what is expected of them. Those girls who don't want to be physical usually mention that in their profile. The M / G is the place to discuss the arrangement if you both feel comfortable with it. As far as template or paste and copy messages be urself and put in your profile exactly what your looking for, saves time and doesn't surprise the girl later on.
[QUOTE=MajorBoy5;2885368]Recently I came across these apps (like Burner, sideline etc.) on Google app store as well as Apple store which claim to provide a separate burner number. Has anyone used these before? Is it truly anonymous or is it just a ruse? If it works then it would be good and remove the cost and effort of keeping a separate phone.[/QUOTE]How do you think a free app pays for itself?
[QUOTE=MajorBoy5;2885426]First of all kudos for this(and the SB faq) awesome thread. Its very well laid out with lots of important info and tricks. I have been on SA for a few months but so far it hasn't been any lucky for me and I am wondering if I may need to make modifications to my profile. What do most of you guys mention in "What I am looking for" section of your profile? Right now I have mentioned all those common phrases like someone with chemistry, fun etc. But I am wondering if I should be specific to what I actually need - Physical intimacy (or FC in other words)? I thought mentioning that would turn away the possible SBs as they might thinks it as a risk. And also if I should mention then what would be the best way to phrase it? Any example template would be helpful. You can PM me as well.[/QUOTE]1) There are bones to an approach in the HWG posts, along with others, so kindly collated by JeezLizard in a separate thread. Go to main Richmond page and scroll down to the "USer Blog" section and find the thread titled "Sugarbaby Thread Highlights, Index, and FAQ" There is several lifetimes of info and advice in there. See the collection under post #3 - all sorts of approaches to choose from.
2) Personally, I would be loath to mention physical intimacy or anything that implies sex. Everyone knows why they are on that site. Problem is that you mention or imply sex for money and in most jurisdictions doing that is a crime. IF local LE is looking to make an example (low probability, however) of a dude they are most likely to seek out those who look like they are requesting sex for money. Always keep the focus on paying for her time and companionship. If you want to be careful, offer her money for some legitimate service like a body rub, dancing, stripping or even reading poetry to you, if that turns you on. Of course if consenting adult happen to engage other activities,it would be hard to prove those activities we contracted for once a legitimate service is involved.
3) There is no "one size fits all" approach to success in this game, be patient as you are on a learning curve, take some time to learn who to approach and who to avoid, give yourself time to find an approach that works for you & your style. If you try a new approach that doesn't seem to work, then make adjustments and try it on another "sample" of girls (5+?
4) If you are so bold perhaps posting the text of your profile here and asking for critiques would, I am sure, get a bunch of responses?
[QUOTE=MajorBoy5;2885426]First of all kudos for this(and the SB faq) awesome thread. Its very well laid out with lots of important info and tricks. I have been on SA for a few months but so far it hasn't been any lucky for me and I am wondering if I may need to make modifications to my profile. What do most of you guys mention in "What I am looking for" section of your profile? Right now I have mentioned all those common phrases like someone with chemistry, fun etc. But I am wondering if I should be specific to what I actually need - Physical intimacy (or FC in other words)? I thought mentioning that would turn away the possible SBs as they might thinks it as a risk. And also if I should mention then what would be the best way to phrase it? Any example template would be helpful. You can PM me as well.[/QUOTE]Game and money is what this is all about. They are inversely proportional. It helps to be attractive to start with. If you read the blogs about Sugar dating the girls all mention disparagingly "gross, fat, ugly old men" as a euphemism for all older SDs -just like we guys talk badly about "SBs" over 40 as fat old hags who are over the hill. Somewhere in the middle is the truth. My point is, if you are unattractive then you are starting behind the 8 ball. If you a \re reasonably attractive and have a picture up then your offer has to be in the ball park. Lots of GPS is around -per the earlier post. If you are a smooth talker and have game -which has to show on your profile, then you will have success. Some SDs -like JeezLizard -seem to have success with minimal investment, but lots of appeal. Others put up bigger bucks to make up for lack of game. Read the entire series carefully and you will see how to word things to at least get in the front door.
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2885552]How do you think a free app pays for itself?[/QUOTE]I know there might be charges to use these apps but my major question is that do they work just like a separate burner phone? I mean if they work wouldn't it be better to use them then keep a separate phone (they both may cost the same for operating but keeping a separate phone itself is task if you want to keep it secret maybe from family)?
[QUOTE=MajorBoy5;2885368] If it works then it would be good and remove the cost and effort of keeping a separate phone.[/QUOTE]A burner phone and a GV number are risk management techniques. You decide what risks you are willing to take.
For me the cost of a burner phone $30/ mo is trivial and well worth the expense. My burner phone was created with a "stage name" identity which allows a confirming FB page, etc. On top of that I layer a Google Voice number. If someone gets too obnoxious or crosses the line, I block them on GV first. If a real threat is detected then I dump the GV number and get another one. After that, dump the Burner phone and walk away. That is my level of "risk tolerance" that provides enough distance should I need it.
Of recent I have been thinking of using my prepaid card to buy a paid VPN service to layer on top of all of that. But hey, I'm Tony Montana & Ed Snowden all rolled into one!
So everyone is different and some dudes hobby using their real name and regular cell phone.
You decide.
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2885566]1) There are bones to an approach in the HWG posts, along with others, so kindly collated by JeezLizard in a separate thread. Go to main Richmond page and scroll down to the "USer Blog" section and find the thread titled "Sugarbaby Thread Highlights, Index, and FAQ" There is several lifetimes of info and advice in there. See the collection under post #3 - all sorts of approaches to choose from.[/QUOTE]I would take credit when it truly belongs to me, but in this case I can't -- the guy who did the real work on the FAQ thread and organization is Zcochran00, I only offered to create the thread and try to keep it clear of clutter because I was in such favor of the idea, and because he did not have enough seniority on his user account to do so.
Not sure where that gentleman went, he has not posted in a while, but he did a fantastic job. Maybe we weren't paying him enough and someone else made a better offer? LOL.
I do wish he would return as there is new info being added to the thread as time goes on that would benefit from indexing. New guys coming in owe him a great deal of thanks.
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2885622]A burner phone and a GV number are risk management techniques. You decide what risks you are willing to take.
For me the cost of a burner phone $30/ mo is trivial and well worth the expense. My burner phone was created with a "stage name" identity which allows a confirming FB page, etc. On top of that I layer a Google Voice number. If someone gets too obnoxious or crosses the line, I block them on GV first. If a real threat is detected then I dump the GV number and get another one. After that, dump the Burner phone and walk away. That is my level of "risk tolerance" that provides enough distance should I need it.
Of recent I have been thinking of using my prepaid card to buy a paid VPN service to layer on top of all of that. But hey, I'm Tony Montana & Ed Snowden all rolled into one!
So everyone is different and some dudes hobby using their real name and regular cell phone.
You decide.[/QUOTE]I understand your point and I think I will rephrase my words in my earlier post. The cost of keeping the burner phone as well as any app is not an issue for me either. The intention of my post was to know if these apps (these apps claim to provide a separate number like a google voice number. Take one, use it, dump it, take another) provide the same level of anonymity as the burner phones provide? I think keeping a separate burner phone a secret for someone who has friends and family that frequents them often is in itself a task isn't it?
P.S.: I really appreciate your suggestions.
[QUOTE=MajorBoy5;2885645]I understand your point and I think I will rephrase my words in my earlier post. The cost of keeping the burner phone as well as any app is not an issue for me either. The intention of my post was to know if these apps (these apps claim to provide a separate number like a google voice number. Take one, use it, dump it, take another) provide the same level of anonymity as the burner phones provide? I think keeping a separate burner phone a secret for someone who has friends and family that frequents them often is in itself a task isn't it?
P.S.: I really appreciate your suggestions.[/QUOTE]An app on your primary phone versus a separate phone comes down to preference, IMO. I've done both and personally find that carrying a single device around with me when I'm sugaring is preferable than having to carry a second one.
There are pros and cons to each. If you have a second physical phone it can provide clearer mental separation (I. E. Turn the phone off, hide it, whatever and you're out of pocket from sugaring). If you have an app on the phone you often find yourself doing things like managing how the alerts are displayed so that one of your SBs doesn't send you a naughty text at an awkward time. If you are married and she gets into your phone at all, having an app on there can be hazardous to your finances. Same could be true of a second phone but the assumption is that you always know where it is physically rather than having the two types of communication physically intertwined on a single phone.
My phone stays locked and my SO doesn't try to screw with it. The way it works around here is I can look at her phone at any time but she isn't allowed to touch mine. LOL. Its an alpha male thing.
[QUOTE=MajorBoy5;2885645]I understand your point and I think I will rephrase my words in my earlier post. The cost of keeping the burner phone as well as any app is not an issue for me either. The intention of my post was to know if these apps (these apps claim to provide a separate number like a google voice number. Take one, use it, dump it, take another) provide the same level of anonymity as the burner phones provide? I think keeping a separate burner phone a secret for someone who has friends and family that frequents them often is in itself a task isn't it?
P.S.: I really appreciate your suggestions.[/QUOTE]I dunno, everyone is different. An app number is only free because the company providing it is likely tracking you and selling that data / information. Do you want that layered on your REAL cell phone? I sure don't.
In fact, I don't install many apps as when I go to Google Play Store and look at apps, then see what things it needs access to, I back out and walk away. I mean REALLY? Why does a freaking calculator app need access to my location and camera? But hey, everyone downloads apps right and left with no thought of how they work or what / how they are tracking you.
Now not to say Google and its long reach isn't tracking you with their GV number. But layered on Burner phone. What are they going to get? You need a number to sign up for a FB page these days, so the burner phone gives that to you. FB recognizes Burner numbers and GV numbers and will ask for two forms of Gov't ID if you try and use that. Having a FB page, the SBs can "find," helps build comfort with them and credibility - but done in a secure way!
But one is worried about hiding a second cell phone when they are Sugaring behind their SO's back? Maybe THAT should be the question you ask others to comment on? How to conceal a second phone (burner) from SO?
So always trade-offs: hiding a burner versus extra security...
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2881133]In the bowl I wouldn't just be straight up about wanting to keep them on old as second string to the new exclusive unless you absolutely have to. Women (especially in situations like this) usually don't want to hear the truth. They will actually respect you for coming up with some clever explanation even if they don't believe it deep down. I can't tell you how many times I've heard "just don't tell me about the others". Meaning, she knows I'm fucking someone else but she doesn't want me to come out and say there's someone else.
They know we are straightforward creatures by nature, but they don't admire that or respect that we prefer simplicity. They respect complication. So the more you come up with complicated reasons (that don't need to be completely believable as they need to be hard to disprove or completely figure out), the more likely they are to be there when you need them to be. Some of them may just like you enough or be open minded to always be there. I've had some girls give me pretty much a free booty call pass just because I never did anything except make time with them enjoyable and ended things without drama. You might lose a few, or they might be always-open going forward.
In general the younger they are the less likely they are to understand or appreciate the truth. If your SBs are older (late 20's or higher) they might be understanding to your plan but I'd say not worth the risk. SB hunting can be a lot of work and if you have a stable rotation you are happy with it's best to keep it going if possible.[/QUOTE]I got a real chuckle out of "they don't need to be completely believable". I have actually taken this approach the past week and the response coincides with your comments. BTW. FTR. My decision to convert to exclusive status with my # 1 (26 yr old, single, college degree, moved back in with parents) lasted only 2 days! Although we had a really good 5 hours together (2 in the FC and 3 out for dinner) she shared with me that she has been fairly deep in the world of a submissive aromantic female. Although I had felt our 3 FC dates had been fairly hot (which was one of the reasons she was my current # 1) she described them as "vanilla". We discussed doing some bondage play for the next visit (which I had done with my previous # 1) but we are both ambivalent on doing anything over the top. For me personally I could handle this a bit easier if she was my # 2 or a back-up, but I tend to get a bit more emotionally attached to my # 1's (I know. Stand up and take my lashing). She did not go into graphic detail but even the minimum examples she gave me were a bit hard to imagine with this sweet looking girl. I had decided to cut off my # 2 (cute 24 yr old single mom, but reluctant to go bb, average FC skills) and put my # 3 on hold, but the good news is my # 1 (21 yr old, single) from last Sept-Nov reconnected with me last week and we had a great visit today. She has moved in with her mom who was good enough to leave the apartment while we had our 2 hour visit (very cool mom I would say). Getting back with the submissive on Monday and would like to keep both of them in the weekly schedule while I continue my search for the "perfect # 1".
This girl wants her SD cash flow to start at the M&G. She goes by M. Kelly94 on SA, L. Kelly94 on SD4 Me and Miss Melissa94 on WYP.
I messaged her back that I was willing to pay at the m & g only after we had dessert in my hotel room. She blocked me.
She's 22 with a kid and a waitress or shift manager depending on which profile and which day you read it.
[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2886340]This girl wants her SD cash flow to start at the M&G. She goes by M. Kelly94 on SA, L. Kelly94 on SD4 Me and Miss Melissa94 on WYP.
I messaged her back that I was willing to pay at the m & g only after we had dessert in my hotel room. She blocked me.
She's 22 with a kid and a waitress or shift manager depending on which profile and which day you read it.[/QUOTE]Aw yes the "I want to get paid to go on a date" girl. Those dumb women don't last too long on the SD sites. Talk about GPS!! I sometimes wonder if they are even.
Taking this seriously. Or they must think men are really that stupid. I've been there man.
[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2886340]This girl wants her SD cash flow to start at the M&G. She goes by M. Kelly94 on SA, L. Kelly94 on SD4 Me and Miss Melissa94 on WYP.
I messaged her back that I was willing to pay at the m & g only after we had dessert in my hotel room. She blocked me.
She's 22 with a kid and a waitress or shift manager depending on which profile and which day you read it.[/QUOTE]Hey its a matter of life. There are girls out there that make good money doing this and yes guys that have the money pay it. There was a girl in Cincinnati last summer that was getting up to $800 for her to be just arm candy. Guys that have it pay it so no use to get pissed or panties in a bind cause its a fact of life. Plenty of other girls to move on to.
[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;2886159]I got a real chuckle out of "they don't need to be completely believable". I have actually taken this approach the past week and the response coincides with your comments. [/QUOTE]LOL. Yep, the female mind never ceases to amaze. What I try to do in that situation is simply make sure it's not something she's heard before (or worse an excuse she's used before herself, like some random family related emergency suddenly arose). Creativity and complexity win out over familiarity or believability, in terms of their likelihood of sticking around. Especially with younger ones, telling them about another girl will trigger a weird "competitive" reflex in some girls that will just piss them off. With some older girls (late 20's and up) I've actually seen the opposite reaction, not only are they open to waiting in line when I tell them honestly there's someone else, but if I'm lucky they'll ask if they can come by for a gratuitous free fuck (for their own pleasure), just because of the female instinct to want what they can't have (which I think grows more intense from about age 26-35).
Sometimes I think they are just better at reading us than we are at reading them, they can detect when we don't give a fuck whether we see them again and that is a big aphrodisiac to them (as long as we don't blow it with bad stories, too much honesty, or any display of sexual neediness). When we do give a fuck about ever seeing them again is when we have to be a little careful about next steps. Best thing is to have enough prospects going that you don't care too much whether you lose any of them. Kind of like shopping for real estate, don't get emotionally attached or you make bad decisions.
When you do have a "split" of sorts, as long as you always end things peacefully you might be surprised how many of those you thought you lost come running back. They will most likely run into problems with one of their other guys eventually, or get a hormone surge combined with some overdue bills that leaves them missing you and suddenly they are back (as long as the ending or breakup didn't end in a bitter way).
I have been seeing a 21 year old college student for about 6 months. A typical millennial in every sense. We would go out or as they say 'hang out' about every other week. Our time together would typically involve a movie and dinner at Cinebistro. Then we would head back to my place for 'Netflix and chill' which is millennial code for sex. It got frustrating after a while when she would text me and I would ask if I could call her. She seemed to always be busy and would rarely talk on the phone. There were other things that got old after a while but I will leave that for future posts. The day after I ended the money flow she set up another profile on SA. Have you guys had frustrating experiences with millennials? I'm a boomer in my late 50's and not sure if I want to go down that path again. Might need to limit my searches to more mature women.
[QUOTE=MulchMan;2886717]I have been seeing a 21 year old college student for about 6 months. A typical millennial in every sense. We would go out or as they say 'hang out' about every other week. Our time together would typically involve a movie and dinner at Cinebistro. Then we would head back to my place for 'Netflix and chill' which is millennial code for sex. It got frustrating after a while when she would text me and I would ask if I could call her. She seemed to always be busy and would rarely talk on the phone. There were other things that got old after a while but I will leave that for future posts. The day after I ended the money flow she set up another profile on SA. Have you guys had frustrating experiences with millennials? I'm a boomer in my late 50's and not sure if I want to go down that path again. Might need to limit my searches to more mature women.[/QUOTE]Millennials don't like to talk on the phone. They prefer txt'ing, FB chats, etc. Her reluctance to talk on the phone probably has nothing to do with you. It's just the way some of them are wired.
I've gone out with a few millennials who couldn't put their phones away to have a decent conversation, and some who could hold amazing conversations. You don't know until you meet them.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2881033]I want to try this one of these days, but if I do this, it would be close to home which means I would need to be hitting the same hotel (s) up with the same sob story of a long drive, which would be hard to explain living close by. Plus they are going to be wonder why is this guy taking a new college girl to his room for only a few hours each time he stays here with that same old story. LOL.[/QUOTE]First -- explaining why you get a hotel when your license address is down the street. "I moved to (town 3 hours away) six months ago and sold my house, but stil have business in town". In fact, you should contact the GM and let them know your "situation" and get clearance for early check ins so you can "Shower" up before your business meetings. You might even get a rate!
Second -- don't have the young hottie come in with you. Ask for two keys at check in "better give me two, I always lose one. ". Either send her in first, then you follow after making a phone call or whatever (allows her to use the can, change into sexy attire) then you follow. Or vice versa.
Third -- don't check out. They will auto check you out the next AM. So they don't know when you left and since the bed is a mess, you just may have stayed the night.
PLUS you have the room until 11 AM the next AM. I've been known to pull a PM AM double header on my home field since I can't ever do a sleepover.
[QUOTE=MulchMan;2886717]I have been seeing a 21 year old college student for about 6 months. A typical millennial in every sense. We would go out or as they say 'hang out' about every other week. Our time together would typically involve a movie and dinner at Cinebistro. Then we would head back to my place for 'Netflix and chill' which is millennial code for sex. It got frustrating after a while when she would text me and I would ask if I could call her. She seemed to always be busy and would rarely talk on the phone. There were other things that got old after a while but I will leave that for future posts. The day after I ended the money flow she set up another profile on SA. Have you guys had frustrating experiences with millennials? I'm a boomer in my late 50's and not sure if I want to go down that path again. Might need to limit my searches to more mature women.[/QUOTE]I turn 59 this year and I am a month away from playing in the bowl for a year. My tally stands at 9 that made it to the FC. Five under 21, three 26-29 and one at 36. None were phone talkers which suited me fine since I need to be discreet. I just reconnected with a 27 who wanted to get back together after 5 months of her not finding what she wanted in a SD.
Anyway, getting back to your question about millennials. It has been my view they had less issues and less cancelled dates than the 26 and up. It is pretty much casual conversation at dinner and sex after with the young ones. The older ones are dealing with a kid or two or coming off breaking up with their real boyfriends. A lot harder to make and keep a date it seems.
My age clock is moving fast the wrong way. I figure a couple of years left of getting under 21 without really opening my wallet. So for now I am concentrating on them!
[QUOTE=BikeRider;2886742]Millennials don't like to talk on the phone. They prefer txt'ing, FB chats, etc. Her reluctance to talk on the phone probably has nothing to do with you. It's just the way some of them are wired.
I've gone out with a few millennials who couldn't put their phones away to have a decent conversation, and some who could hold amazing conversations. You don't know until you meet them.[/QUOTE]My millennial sugar baby (MSB) had other traits that characterize her generation. She was narcissistic in that she was very concerned about her appearance. You could tell by what she posted on her social media sites. One night when we were in bed I caressed her face during foreplay. She asked me not to touch her face because it would mess up her makeup. She didn't want to have to reapply her makeup since she was going to 'hang out' with friends after I dropped her off around 11:30.
[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2886800]I turn 59 this year and I am a month away from playing in the bowl for a year. My tally stands at 9 that made it to the FC. Five under 21, three 26-29 and one at 36. None were phone talkers which suited me fine since I need to be discreet. I just reconnected with a 27 who wanted to get back together after 5 months of her not finding what she wanted in a SD.
Anyway, getting back to your question about millennials. It has been my view they had less issues and less cancelled dates than the 26 and up. It is pretty much casual conversation at dinner and sex after with the young ones. The older ones are dealing with a kid or two or coming off breaking up with their real boyfriends. A lot harder to make and keep a date it seems.
My age clock is moving fast the wrong way. I figure a couple of years left of getting under 21 without really opening my wallet. So for now I am concentrating on them![/QUOTE]I hear what you're saying about the time clock. I've been in the bowl around two years and had a range of women but it never lasted 6 months. The 21 year old SD I just stopped seeing also had some daddy issues. Her mother has been trying to divorce her father for a year. Her father is playing mind games with the kids. At this point I'm not sure if I should renew on SA or go back to mongering. Each has its pros and cons.
[QUOTE=MulchMan;2886717]I have been seeing a 21 year old college student for about 6 months. A typical millennial in every sense. We would go out or as they say 'hang out' about every other week. Our time together would typically involve a movie and dinner at Cinebistro. Then we would head back to my place for 'Netflix and chill' which is millennial code for sex. It got frustrating after a while when she would text me and I would ask if I could call her. She seemed to always be busy and would rarely talk on the phone. There were other things that got old after a while but I will leave that for future posts. The day after I ended the money flow she set up another profile on SA. Have you guys had frustrating experiences with millennials? I'm a boomer in my late 50's and not sure if I want to go down that path again. Might need to limit my searches to more mature women.[/QUOTE]Ok lets not forget that this is a business for the most of them. What you perceive as reality might not be their reality. I have talked to several who had arrangements for over a year and terminated them because even though money was good they judt didn't like the guy and couldn't take it anymore much like you would a bad job. If you was her only sd for awhile then feel good about it. They are still kids and who knows what causes the problem. You might ask her where it went wrong and if she tells you work on it for next time. Remember she is 21 and your 59 so only she can tell you. They are being paid to be there.
[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2886846]Ok lets not forget that this is a business for the most of them. What you perceive as reality might not be their reality. I have talked to several who had arrangements for over a year and terminated them because even though money was good they judt didn't like the guy and couldn't take it anymore much like you would a bad job. If you was her only sd for awhile then feel good about it. They are still kids and who knows what causes the problem. You might ask her where it went wrong and if she tells you work on it for next time. Remember she is 21 and your 59 so only she can tell you. They are being paid to be there.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the great advice. I truly believe that she enjoyed being with me. But I had to stop seeing her because it seemed so devoid of any emotion and / or lack of affection. I checked SA on a regular basis and could see that she was not logging in. That's why I kept seeing her for as long as I did. So I guess you are right that I should feel good about it if I was the only one for 6 months. I don't think I need to ask her where it went wrong because I ended it. However, if I decide to jump back into the bowl for another long term gig then I will have my eyes wide open. Thanks again for the post. It helps me understand more.
Whatever you call them.
27-34 is my favorite place to play, especially if they are still single or divorced with no kids.
They are past the dopiness of being just out of (or in) college, have fucked enough to know what they like and how to do it fairly well, are still frustrated by most guys their age who are either non-committal or still not accomplished (in bed or work) and really understand what SA is and isn't.
Of course, I have yet to have the pleasure of anyone under 23 that was not a semi-pro, but my limited attempts to communicate with them have been a waste of time and effort.
I counted 8 pages on the front page today besides this one dedicated to SB's, and I know there are a few more. I have read several of them and have seen comments that this page is too much storytelling and not enough swapping of details. This is what got me started looking for someone on SA, and have had many great experiences because of it. I currently have a regular girl that I have been seeing for over two years and still look for new blood regularly. Thanks to all those who came before and the good info early in this thread. As for the stories, I find them entertaining and sometimes motivational. It has gotten harder to find the nuggets as SA has become more mainstream and GPS abounds, but it has been a great ride so far!
[QUOTE=Ltnric;2886347]Aw yes the "I want to get paid to go on a date" girl. Those dumb women don't last too long on the SD sites. Talk about GPS!! I sometimes wonder if they are even.
Taking this seriously. Or they must think men are really that stupid. I've been there man.[/QUOTE]It isn't so much GPS with many of these women but a failure to distinguish the difference between SD sites and the WYP site. Of course the owner does nothing to dissuade such notions as her cross advertises and pushes each group to the other.
There must enough dumb or desperate enough guys out there and the WYP site keeps going!
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2887078]It isn't so much GPS with many of these women but a failure to distinguish the difference between SD sites and the WYP site. Of course the owner does nothing to dissuade such notions as her cross advertises and pushes each group to the other.
There must enough dumb or desperate enough guys out there and the WYP site keeps going![/QUOTE]There will always be the unicorns that are spoiling it, but it could be simppply what the SBs are reading or getting information from.
On a recent blog from SA, "or gift her a few grand on a Saks card and see what she picks. ".
If they SBs are getting information like this, they will start to form there opinion and develop the mentality that they are worhth it.
And that some SBs are getting this.
While it may or may not be true, we are infact the ones that keep the fire lit.
[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2886771]First -- explaining why you get a hotel when your license address is down the street. "I moved to (town 3 hours away) six months ago and sold my house, but stil have business in town". In fact, you should contact the GM and let them know your "situation" and get clearance for early check ins so you can "Shower" up before your business meetings. You might even get a rate!
Second -- don't have the young hottie come in with you. Ask for two keys at check in "better give me two, I always lose one. ". Either send her in first, then you follow after making a phone call or whatever (allows her to use the can, change into sexy attire) then you follow. Or vice versa.
Third -- don't check out. They will auto check you out the next AM. So they don't know when you left and since the bed is a mess, you just may have stayed the night.
PLUS you have the room until 11 AM the next AM. I've been known to pull a PM AM double header on my home field since I can't ever do a sleepover.[/QUOTE]I thought about doing the "I've got a temporary situation at home I need to vacate" excuse, maybe tell them I've got a construction crew there and the noise is unbearable and starting too early in the morning or something, I prefer that kind of lie over one that's verifiable via a little Googling and / or property tax records, not that a hotel clerk would really bother looking into that. The hotel could always ask for my new address in case there's a problem with the credit card (or as a requirement to update their rewards program file or whatever).
I pretty much never check out anyway. Maybe if its the kind of place like where they valet parked my car for me and I need to pick it up for some reason I'll deal with the front desk on the way out, but otherwise never.
[QUOTE=MulchMan;2886830]My millennial sugar baby (MSB) had other traits that characterize her generation. She was narcissistic in that she was very concerned about her appearance. You could tell by what she posted on her social media sites. One night when we were in bed I caressed her face during foreplay. She asked me not to touch her face because it would mess up her makeup. She didn't want to have to reapply her makeup since she was going to 'hang out' with friends after I dropped her off around 11:30.[/QUOTE]Hey, don't feel bad. I have my own children that age and I can not get them on the phone for anything. Text all day long. My SBs are all Millenials and unfortunately that is the way it is. I would love for my current to walk in, hug and kiss me, tell me she missed me, stroke my Dick and tell me to roll over while she works on me for a while -nah. She does come in, I force her to kiss for a minute or two, then she unabashedly shucks her clothes and goes to the mat for a good fucking. You are looking for an IRL GF. Or perhaps you (we) need to date more age appropriate. The bottom line is -as guys have said before --they are there to pick up a paycheck. And the bottom line for most of us -we are there to fuck young pussy. Enjoy the fucking -work it for all you are worth ,and don't try to turn her into something she is not .
[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2886340]This girl wants her SD cash flow to start at the M&G. She goes by M. Kelly94 on SA, L. Kelly94 on SD4 Me and Miss Melissa94 on WYP.
I messaged her back that I was willing to pay at the m & g only after we had dessert in my hotel room. She blocked me.
She's 22 with a kid and a waitress or shift manager depending on which profile and which day you read it.[/QUOTE]When they put 18 -80 on age preference they are either Pros or have no intention to give it up for us. Almost all real SBs have age limits on the guys they will see (and sleep with). If the age is unlimited then they have no discrimination at all. This girl is probably the latter -just milk guys for a free dinner and cash. Too bad SA doesn't have an age preference screen for them (that I can see anyway) since that will be a clue for us.
Some guys are either stupid or eternally hopeful to pay these Pots to meet. The rest of us don't want them anyway since they are rinsers
[QUOTE=FredMoore;2888438]Hey, don't feel bad. I have my own children that age and I can not get them on the phone for anything. Text all day long. My SBs are all Millenials and unfortunately that is the way it is. I would love for my current to walk in, hug and kiss me, tell me she missed me, stroke my Dick and tell me to roll over while she works on me for a while -nah. She does come in, I force her to kiss for a minute or two, then she unabashedly shucks her clothes and goes to the mat for a good fucking. You are looking for an IRL GF. Or perhaps you (we) need to date more age appropriate. The bottom line is -as guys have said before --they are there to pick up a paycheck. And the bottom line for most of us -we are there to fuck young pussy. Enjoy the fucking -work it for all you are worth ,and don't try to turn her into something she is not .[/QUOTE]Good points. I simply wished that she would have occasionally initiated some affection. It was mainly a one way street. You would think that after 6 months of dinners, movies and trips to the mall that she would step up her game. I wonder if most millennials are that stoic. Probably need to increase my age range.
[QUOTE=FredMoore;2888454]When they put 18 -80 on age preference they are either Pros or have no intention to give it up for us. Almost all real SBs have age limits on the guys they will see (and sleep with). If the age is unlimited then they have no discrimination at all. This girl is probably the latter -just milk guys for a free dinner and cash. Too bad SA doesn't have an age preference screen for them (that I can see anyway) since that will be a clue for us.
Some guys are either stupid or eternally hopeful to pay these Pots to meet. The rest of us don't want them anyway since they are rinsers[/QUOTE]Now there is the question. What is a real sb?. It seems like just because they put a profile on an arrangement site they are sb.
The same can be said about a sd. Lets face it there is very few real on either side LOL.
[QUOTE=MulchMan;2888989]Good points. I simply wished that she would have occasionally initiated some affection. It was mainly a one way street. You would think that after 6 months of dinners, movies and trips to the mall that she would step up her game. I wonder if most millennials are that stoic. Probably need to increase my age range.[/QUOTE]I never hear from them between dates unless I send them an email. Even then my questions are answered line by line without any other comments to stimulate further messages.
I agree it would be nice to have them at least show some affection. Common sense should tell them they could get more money out of guy if they did. Instead I keep looking for the next one that may be my ideal SB. Age doesn't seem to matter. All any of them care about is the wallet if they are willing to see old guys.