"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[QUOTE=OliverNP;6278138]I encounter it fairly regularly (like when an SB is getting the hint that the new and shiny factor is wearing off for me, and suddenly she has the idea maybe we could date without sugar in order to keep me around), but only within a certain age bracket (maybe 25+ on average).

But, what I'm seeing now is a little different. It's the girls who make clear they are in search of a long-term relationship and ask me explicitly to not ruin it by talking about ppm or allowance.

Is that really sugar-optional? I don't think so. I still think the majority of them still want their hands in my pockets, they would just like it to be under the successful boyfriend / young girlfriend way of doing things rather than anything like an official specified amount.

If that's what you're looking for (and I know some folks are), then yes probably a different approach in the profile to indicate that's what you want would attract more of what you want. I try to craft my profile in a way that it doesn't limit opportunities. That's not always easy, because if I say I want casual & NSA, the girls who want BFs won't react well to it, and if I say I want a LTR, it might land me more cheap or free pussy (at the expense of lots of texting) but turns away the casual encounters I actually prefer.[/QUOTE]Yes I prefer the casual encounters too, but come to think of it, given the entire goal is BBFS with a UTR, it's best to come across looking for "monogamous" and "emotional connection" even though we all know everything about seeking is short term.

[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;6279229]Yes I prefer the casual encounters too, but come to think of it, given the entire goal is BBFS with a UTR, it's best to come across looking for "monogamous" and "emotional connection" even though we all know everything about seeking is short term.[/QUOTE]I actually legit dated someone from seeking for 2. 5 years LOL.

[QUOTE=SeekingRdu;6279334]I actually legit dated someone from seeking for 2. 5 years LOL.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that perspective. I also disagree that everything about SA is short term. It might be for him, but he's in no position to speak for everyone. I have truly enjoyed several long-term arrangements I have had, and my last one, she had to relocate out of the lower 48 for work, but every time she is back home visiting her family, we FC. If she were still here we'd still see each other weekly, we have that strong a connection. I saw her at Thanksgiving, we had this exact conversation, and she agrees completely with that. Of course, we know we aren't a long-term match for a committed relationship. I've been married 2 decades+. What I think is the max you can expect from an arrangement is the *intention* that you are going to continue to see someone, but of course that is just until something happens. One of you gets a job in a different location, perhaps she meets a dude she wants to date vanilla, or your wife finds out you've been banging a 20-something.

I have also had a lot of fun w / girls I've seen only once (mostly when traveling) or a few times, we didn't match well for a continuing arrangement.

[QUOTE=CuriousVaMan;6278656]I chatted with her tonight on Seeking as well. Wanted to immediately move to Snap, which I don't have. Haven't heard anything from her since informing her. Good luck. Please report back![/QUOTE]She's real, and really in Atlanta. Did live location sharing with her to confirm, but then she's asking for deposit offering 250 for all night. I said nah and she immediately dropped to 1.0. Classic deposit scam, nothing else to see here.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a9c51d16-28e9-4c83-aa66-e0567d7f8bfc[/URL]

Messages on the site, moved off pretty easy. Got to talking and pic sharing, this girl wants 500 ppm with a body that is worth half that maybe. I politely declined.

P. s this round of seeking has been real rough for me, nothing but scammers hitting me up from Estonia and fat chicks who think they're worth 10 x what they are. Anyone else or is it just me?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/b0a413ff-9412-14a7-b1ab-20ef81ca2eb5[/URL]

Said she'd love to meet but gosh she just needs to pay the babysitter first, wants to know if I could help w that. I politely declined.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6279429]Thanks for that perspective. I also disagree that everything about SA is short term. It might be for him, but he's in no position to speak for everyone. I have truly enjoyed several long-term arrangements I have had, and my last one, she had to relocate out of the lower 48 for work, but every time she is back home visiting her family, we FC. If she were still here we'd still see each other weekly, we have that strong a connection. I saw her at Thanksgiving, we had this exact conversation, and she agrees completely with that. Of course, we know we aren't a long-term match for a committed relationship. I've been married 2 decades+. What I think is the max you can expect from an arrangement is the *intention* that you are going to continue to see someone, but of course that is just until something happens. One of you gets a job in a different location, perhaps she meets a dude she wants to date vanilla, or your wife finds out you've been banging a 20-something.

I have also had a lot of fun w / girls I've seen only once (mostly when traveling) or a few times, we didn't match well for a continuing arrangement.[/QUOTE]Yeah in my case I have only been using seeking since I got divorced, so have been single the entire time. The 2. 5 year one, that was not an arrangement, we were just vanilla dating, despite an age gap of over 20 years. There is a decent chance I will end up in another relationship at some point with someone from seeking. I also remain friends with the first chick I ever banged from seeking way back in 2014. We hookup from time to time.

[QUOTE=LaidLow17;6279517][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/b0a413ff-9412-14a7-b1ab-20ef81ca2eb5[/URL]

Said she'd love to meet but gosh she just needs to pay the babysitter first, wants to know if I could help w that. I politely declined.[/QUOTE]With an account dating back to 2015 you have to believe she is legit though. However I would never send money first. That is a weird one. Maybe say you will give her babysitter money when you meet.

[QUOTE=SeekingRdu;6279536]With an account dating back to 2015 you have to believe she is legit though. However I would never send money first. That is a weird one. Maybe say you will give her babysitter money when you meet.[/QUOTE]Maybe, and it's a good point about account age. I've just been burned and I didn't want to deal with it.

[QUOTE=LaidLow17;6279517][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/b0a413ff-9412-14a7-b1ab-20ef81ca2eb5[/URL]

Said she'd love to meet but gosh she just needs to pay the babysitter first, wants to know if I could help w that. I politely declined.[/QUOTE]I chatted with her on the site. She wanted to know what I wanted. I explain to her and she hasn't responded couple months. She may not be ready to pull the trigger on this lifestyle idk.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0c728f9a-1f22-48f7-a09d-70a6b0f45010[/URL]

Not sure if anyone seen her before, no hits on the name, but she immediately moved convo to phone and then started asking personal details.

Reached out to me first, very aggressive, but nice. Comes off with a pro vibe. She said she was in the Johns Creek area. Asked for $450, I passed. I did not get a verification pic, so if you pursue, I'd make sure and get one. I also got a few hits on her number for arrest records, mostly family stuff, nothing too crazy. Anyways, just providing info for you guys, tread at your own risk.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/60e55b18-e929-460c-a083-e551ab30346d[/URL]

[QUOTE=SeekingRdu;6279334]I actually legit dated someone from seeking for 2. 5 years LOL.[/QUOTE]No shit? My longest stint with a SB was also 5 years but it was 100% "casual". It was like a once every 3 month kinda deal. Met her when she was 19. Holy shit did she go down hill though, unrecognizable. Easily put on 50 pounds over the 5 years. She still has a nice ass though, but I finally couldn't do it anymore and she got really flakey, so that finally went dark. It was BBFS pullout $200 everytime, 1 pop, 30 mins. Girl was a trip.

[QUOTE=LaidLow17;6279513][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a9c51d16-28e9-4c83-aa66-e0567d7f8bfc[/URL]

Messages on the site, moved off pretty easy. Got to talking and pic sharing, this girl wants 500 ppm with a body that is worth half that maybe. I politely declined.

P. s this round of seeking has been real rough for me, nothing but scammers hitting me up from Estonia and fat chicks who think they're worth 10 x what they are. Anyone else or is it just me?[/QUOTE]It's definitely gotten harder. I'm hoping things improve in January, perhaps everyone is on Christmas break and not needing any cash etc. I've got a few leads but haven't had any meets this subscription round yet and nothing is lined up. Could have scored easily with a 35 yo "curvy" latina (fatty) and a skinny 28 year old methhead, but I digress, not going there. I've only been on for about a week so far.

[QUOTE=LaidLow17;6279517][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/b0a413ff-9412-14a7-b1ab-20ef81ca2eb5[/URL]

Said she'd love to meet but gosh she just needs to pay the babysitter first, wants to know if I could help w that. I politely declined.[/QUOTE]Babysitter help scam. I've been hit with it recently and the girl put in her profile she has 0 kids. What a dumbass. Any money upfront is always fraudulent. Payment is only rendered after services are performed. Next.

[QUOTE=CuriousVaMan;6278656]I chatted with her tonight on Seeking as well. Wanted to immediately move to Snap, which I don't have. Haven't heard anything from her since informing her. Good luck. Please report back![/QUOTE]Brilliantheiress is definitely a scammer. I went to Snapchat with her to discuss and I asked her to do a video chat to talk and prove she was real. She said "Not for free". Then I asked if she could at least send me a live video saying "Hey *my name*" she declined to do so without me paying her first. Of course, I said no and called her out for being a scammer. She then went on a rant about how I'm just a "cheap ass" and that she has plenty of men willing to pay top dollar, blah blah. In other words, avoid her.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6278590][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a50ab671-9f8f-46e1-ac89-7b771c050d8e[/URL]

Real, but just looking to sell nudes. Next![/QUOTE]She may be real, but she is definitely a scammer. I spoke with her on SA and moved to text. We agreed to meet up tonight. . 4 ppm.

I asked her if we could video chat before I head out and she asked for 100 deposit. She gave me shit when I called her out.[blue]The screenshot was deleted because the telephone number is not edited. Moderator12[blue]

[QUOTE=KingHorama2;6279630][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0c728f9a-1f22-48f7-a09d-70a6b0f45010[/URL]

Not sure if anyone seen her before, no hits on the name, but she immediately moved convo to phone and then started asking personal details.[/QUOTE]She's pretty much a pro. Aggressive on getting a meetup.

Offered everything bare, all holes open for 300 ppm. Can't host.

I could tell her pics are older, in her verification her face is much chubbier. Between the pro-vibes and the old pics I declined.

Here are a few I'm talking to. Anyone have any previous luck or insight?

Fairy bb.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/26f68c6b-4f92-486d-a83e-48bfeb3a09e2[/URL]

Seems to have gone dark after we traded pics, just thought I'd see if anyone has smashed and what the $ damage and experience was.

Q-ofhearts42.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3fa3fe02-ff4d-42e9-b839-6319af1a755f[/URL]

I'm usually wary of self described models, but I like her look. Texting has been ok, just curious if anyone has confirmed what the damage is to bed her.

Babeeblues.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0f01a36f-742d-4ebf-9c2b-76916f3d8a5c[/URL]

A little chatting but it's been sporadic. Plan on moving her offsite soon just wanting to know what the $ is and is she worth the chase?

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6280581]Here are a few I'm talking to. Anyone have any previous luck or insight?

Fairy bb.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/26f68c6b-4f92-486d-a83e-48bfeb3a09e2[/URL]

Seems to have gone dark after we traded pics, just thought I'd see if anyone has smashed and what the $ damage and experience was.

Q-ofhearts42.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3fa3fe02-ff4d-42e9-b839-6319af1a755f[/URL]

I'm usually wary of self described models, but I like her look. Texting has been ok, just curious if anyone has confirmed what the damage is to bed her.

Babeeblues.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0f01a36f-742d-4ebf-9c2b-76916f3d8a5c[/URL]

A little chatting but it's been sporadic. Plan on moving her offsite soon just wanting to know what the $ is and is she worth the chase?[/QUOTE]Babeeblues was pretty firm on wanting an allowance. I couldn't get her to budge to a PPM let me know if you have better luck.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6280581]Here are a few I'm talking to. Anyone have any previous luck or insight?

Fairy bb.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/26f68c6b-4f92-486d-a83e-48bfeb3a09e2[/URL]

Seems to have gone dark after we traded pics, just thought I'd see if anyone has smashed and what the $ damage and experience was.

Q-ofhearts42.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3fa3fe02-ff4d-42e9-b839-6319af1a755f[/URL]

I'm usually wary of self described models, but I like her look. Texting has been ok, just curious if anyone has confirmed what the damage is to bed her.

Babeeblues.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0f01a36f-742d-4ebf-9c2b-76916f3d8a5c[/URL]

A little chatting but it's been sporadic. Plan on moving her offsite soon just wanting to know what the $ is and is she worth the chase?[/QUOTE]I did exchange some messages with fairy bb. But my license expired and I gave her my number to text but have not heard back.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8e9ab849-fdb1-4a99-8d40-66394c02834d/[/URL]

Any one have any experience with this girl?

[QUOTE=Shizzy6969;6281051][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8e9ab849-fdb1-4a99-8d40-66394c02834d/[/URL]

Any one have any experience with this girl?[/QUOTE]I was just talking to her today.

She's a pro. Quick to take conversation to email, wants 500 ppm to host.

LOL she told me she's from Nebraska going to GSU.

When I asked why she chose GSU she said she researched it and found it was a good party school and "amazingly open as far as the sex scene goes. ".

I asked what makes it so open and she said "tons of bi stuff and the group scene is amazing. ".

I'm absolutely crying laughing at this point. So I ask if she's bi and if she's into the group scene. Yep and yep. "back when I frsit started having SDs I had my first 3 sum, which lead to my first gangbang. And I found that I really like that a lot!

Gangbangs! So she's a 20 year blonde girl next door who's loves gang bangs and has had "tons" according to her.

I asked if there were pics or video of all this hot action and believe it or not she said YES! But I have to see it in person.

So I said let's meet. She gave me an email address to reach out to her. An email address? No text? No snap?

Needless to say, I'm not emailing that.

Hmm, maybe I should put it in the gangbang thread.

[QUOTE=Shizzy6969;6281051][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8e9ab849-fdb1-4a99-8d40-66394c02834d/[/URL]

Any one have any experience with this girl?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DudeNextDoor;6281111]LOL she told me she's from Nebraska going to GSU.

When I asked why she chose GSU she said she researched it and found it was a good party school and "amazingly open as far as the sex scene goes. ".

I asked what makes it so open and she said "tons of bi stuff and the group scene is amazing. ".

I'm absolutely crying laughing at this point. So I ask if she's bi and if she's into the group scene. Yep and yep. "back when I frsit started having SDs I had my first 3 sum, which lead to my first gangbang. And I found that I really like that a lot!

Gangbangs! So she's a 20 year blonde girl next door who's loves gang bangs and has had "tons" according to her.

I asked if there were pics or video of all this hot action and believe it or not she said YES! But I have to see it in person.

So I said let's meet. She gave me an email address to reach out to her. An email address? No text? No snap?

Needless to say, I'm not emailing that.

Hmm, maybe I should put it in the gangbang thread.[/QUOTE]I ran into the same situation recently. After seeking advice here & in the GB thread, I was advised to stay away. I took that advice. The email thing is a red flag.

[QUOTE=StayActive;6280622]I did exchange some messages with fairy bb. But my license expired and I gave her my number to text but have not heard back.[/QUOTE]Babeeblues.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0...b-76916f3d8a5c[/URL]

A little chatting but it's been sporadic. Plan on moving her offsite soon just wanting to know what the $ is and is she worth the chase?

Exchanged several messages with her on the site, quite a few actually. But then, when I asked if she wanted to exchange #'s & text, she stopped replying. So that's my experience with her, for what it's worth. It may not be worth much, though.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4f8676e5-4ffe-4e17-b87b-1f8f4b5e0336[/URL]

Talk on the site, move to text. Tells me she's never met for less than 1 k. I guess I'm in the wrong line of work.

[QUOTE=LaidLow17;6281274][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4f8676e5-4ffe-4e17-b87b-1f8f4b5e0336[/URL]

Talk on the site, move to text. Tells me she's never met for less than 1 k. I guess I'm in the wrong line of work.[/QUOTE]I'd pay her the G haha.

I am sure this is discussed before! But I can't locate it. In seeking website, I have some women as "attractive member" and some still show profile name but can't message.

In which case they blocked me Vs the profile no longer is active?

[QUOTE=StayActive;6281786]I am sure this is discussed before! But I can't locate it. In seeking website, I have some women as "attractive member" and some still show profile name but can't message.

In which case they blocked me Vs the profile no longer is active?[/QUOTE]If they are "Attractive Member" then that person has either fully deleted their account or SA has banned them completely.

If you can still see their profile name but can't message, they either blocked you OR they "deactivated" their account, which keeps it around in case they want to reactivate it later. People often do this once they find someone they like and they aren't swimming in the sugar bowl anymore, but they can easily come back once things finish up.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d15440b2-ce2d-4d9f-9b9d-c15f993caa69[/URL]

Pic seller.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/b0306e81-6135-4ebd-b203-dfbe2c45b2f8[/URL]

Pic seller.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9b25903b-ebd5-4bf2-bc91-46cf15091280[/URL]

Wants me "to act like a platonic sugar daddy" in front of her bf and "pleasure me in private" on the side. Might pursue but sounds like a lot of added drama. Quoted her 3, she hasn't said no but we'll see if I'm just being strung along.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6278232]They never tell you what you get banned for on any of these sites. This was before I ever said anything about sugar dating. It was just regular conversation on Bumble. I always tried to be polite and respectful, but maybe I told one she had nice cleavage and she flew off then handle, or who knows. I'm sure I'll get banned on there again eventually, because it's just a minefield filled with crazy women, and they will complain and lie about you, for anything.[/QUOTE]I got banned twice and it was due to messages I had in private on seeking. One chick that is actively attending Georgia Tech. Prefers using telegram. So I just connect a fake number or burner to it. Best to keep the convo PG-13 on seeking. I've also been banned for what I put in my BIO.

[QUOTE=TattoedDaddy1;6281392]I'd pay her the G haha.[/QUOTE]Damn dude she ain't remotely worth that LOL.

[QUOTE][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9b25903b-ebd5-4bf2-bc91-46cf15091280[/URL]

Wants me "to act like a platonic sugar daddy" in front of her bf and "pleasure me in private" on the side. Might pursue but sounds like a lot of added drama. Quoted her 3, she hasn't said no but we'll see if I'm just being strung along.[/QUOTE]Sounds like fun. Make sure you let us know how it goes!

[QUOTE=SeekingRdu;6282281]Damn dude she ain't remotely worth that LOL.[/QUOTE]Depends on her attitude.

I got a significant amount of joy and I thoroughly get off on actually paying them. And giving a girl 1000 bucks and then her falling for me and chasing me around for two weeks that would definitely be worth the money! And let's not talk about the ego trip some of us really get off on having her ego tripped up!

[QUOTE=SeekingRdu;6282281]Damn dude she ain't remotely worth that LOL.[/QUOTE]It depends on how much money you have to burn, but I can't see giving any 32 y/o $1 k. No way. Maybe a near perfect 24 y/o who was really my type, and made me feel absolutely incredible, but still that would be a tough one.

And I've only agreed on $400, three times in all my sugaring experience, but did give that last one $100 extra, so was $500 in the end. But getting beyond that has to be something incredible special, and you don't know how will be, going into it. And I really can't see repeat pussy being worth $1000. Maybe if I really got along with the girl and she went to Vegas with me for a weekend, but still she would have to be 18-24 and smoking hot.

If I was a multi-millionaire, then of course I would go higher, but I still can't see throwing $1k at undeserving girls. It just wouldn't sit well with me.

[QUOTE=TattoedDaddy1;6282396]Depends on her attitude.

I got a significant amount of joy and I thoroughly get off on actually paying them. And giving a girl 1000 bucks and then her falling for me and chasing me around for two weeks that would definitely be worth the money! And let's not talk about the ego trip some of us really get off on having her ego tripped up![/QUOTE]

If it is worth it to you, and you are getting $1000+ of value and entertainment and pleasure out of it, then we really can't disagree with your decision there. But her PMV (pussy market value) is much less than that.

[QUOTE=TattoedDaddy1;6282396]Depends on her attitude.

I got a significant amount of joy and I thoroughly get off on actually paying them. And giving a girl 1000 bucks and then her falling for me and chasing me around for two weeks that would definitely be worth the money! And let's not talk about the ego trip some of us really get off on having her ego tripped up![/QUOTE]Giving a bonus $1K to a hottie who isn't demanding nearly that much might result in her thinking you walk on water. Paying a woman who thinks she's worth $1K PPM out of the gate is not going to engender any loyalty or service that's any different than the ones who are within the more reasonable market range of $200 to $400. Actually, a woman who thinks her open legs are worth a grand, IMO, is more likely to be an entitled beotch.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6282713]It depends on how much money you have to burn, but I can't see giving any 32 y/o $1 k. No way. Maybe a near perfect 24 y/o who was really my type, and made me feel absolutely incredible, but still that would be a tough one.

And I've only agreed on $400, three times in all my sugaring experience, but did give that last one $100 extra, so was $500 in the end. But getting beyond that has to be something incredible special, and you don't know how will be, going into it. And I really can't see repeat pussy being worth $1000. Maybe if I really got along with the girl and she went to Vegas with me for a weekend, but still she would have to be 18-24 and smoking hot.

If I was a multi-millionaire, then of course I would go higher, but I still can't see throwing $1k at undeserving girls. It just wouldn't sit well with me.



If it is worth it to you, and you are getting $1000+ of value and entertainment and pleasure out of it, then we really can't disagree with your decision there. But her PMV (pussy market value) is much less than that.[/QUOTE]I am a multi-millionaire. But I'm not paying a thousand bucks for a SB hookup, particularly one that's older and less attractive than many of the early 20's women who are available. I might drop $400 or $500 from time to time for the crème de la crème to outbid some of those who stick to their lower monetary caps. But again, a thousand is out of the question. There are too many great options for less than half the price.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6282767]I am a multi-millionaire. But I'm not paying a thousand bucks for a SB hookup, particularly one that's older and less attractive than many of the early 20's women who are available. I might drop $400 or $500 from time to time for the crme de la crme to outbid some of those who stick to their lower monetary caps. But again, a thousand is out of the question. There are too many great options for less than half the price.[/QUOTE]Same here I'm just north of $3 million & the most I have ever paid was $400 & if she wouldn't have been 4'9 she would have been a solid 9 to 9. 5. She was still a solid 8. 5 with a perfect face.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6282767]I am a multi-millionaire. But I'm not paying a thousand bucks for a SB hookup, particularly one that's older and less attractive than many of the early 20's women who are available. I might drop $400 or $500 from time to time for the crme de la crme to outbid some of those who stick to their lower monetary caps. But again, a thousand is out of the question. There are too many great options for less than half the price.[/QUOTE]Same boat! There are to many better choices to blow on regardless of the individuals financial status. I have never given an allowance above 600 a month. It is usually between 300 and 450. With the occasional pampering. Want a dress, casual attire, some boujee bits. I'll purchase it and it goes to their spot but there is a condition! Got to be a good girl and get good grades etc. Usually fuck with college girls more. Less nonsense but it's subjective with whom it is. Some are stupid too.

Chick I added to post was going to KSU and was on seeking. She was 18 and just graduated HS. Started college. Wanted 700 a month in allowance. Told her no and negotiated down to around 400. Reason. I don't want them getting the wrong impression. Every dude is going to give them this extravagant allowance. However what I do do. Is teach them how to make some fucking money with the money I give them. Up to them to accept that though. So it's a win win.

My main thing that dictates the allowance. What are you doing or providing that's going to benefit me? If it isn't much. Bottom of the barrel or average allowance.

Someone who is above 32 and average is not getting an allowance. Get a dam job is what I say to them LOL. That old. Come on now. Only pampering for them if they arouse my interest.