"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2842311]Hi Fellow mongers.

What do you do when you get asked for pics? I am getting less response for saying no sharing of pic. I keep telling SBs that we can meet over coffee and see in person.

I hate to share pics which can easily provide some social profile. Somewhere. I feel like I forgot my way of being SD.

How do you handle that?[/QUOTE]Fake pics are the only way. Catfish baby! Make sure of 2 things 1) the pics actually look like you and 2) they don't reverse search.

To anyone-like a modelling agency or an actor. A long time ago I had an escort I became friends with and she comped me whenever she came to town on tour. We shared a lot of advice and one was the subject of pics. She picked out 3 for me that she said looked like me. Sure enough, I have used them for years and never once has any of my hundreds of girls I've meet questioned them. Just make sure a girl picks them out for you and that they are realistic-not 20 yrs ago or 40 lbs lighter.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;2841307]I jumped into the bowl last summer and after reading many helpful posts on this forum basically started off with the 5 step approach (courtesy of HWG). Feel like I have had moderate success with 14 in the FC (most w / o M & Gs), of which 8 have been multiple visits. I would be interested to hear opinions from the forum brothers regarding the idea of setting up a 2nd page. Obviously there is an additional cost (SA and a 2nd burner phone).
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[/QUOTE]Dump the first phone and keep the second burner with data. You can get additional numbers from a variety of sources (Google Voice, Line, etc) and save the expense and issues with carrying around so many phones.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2842470]Fake pics are the only way. Catfish baby! Make sure of 2 things 1) the pics actually look like you and 2) they don't reverse search.

To anyone-like a modelling agency or an actor. A long time ago I had an escort I became friends with and she comped me whenever she came to town on tour. We shared a lot of advice and one was the subject of pics. She picked out 3 for me that she said looked like me. Sure enough, I have used them for years and never once has any of my hundreds of girls I've meet questioned them. Just make sure a girl picks them out for you and that they are realistic-not 20 yrs ago or 40 lbs lighter.[/QUOTE]Your hundreds of girls might not have said anything but that is one of the biggest complaints, fake pics. Mongers don't like it so why should the girls. I don't post a pic and wait for the girl to ask. If she does ask then I send her a current pic. If she doesn't ask for a pic then she is a pro. No one likes to be cat fished.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2842588]Your hundreds of girls might not have said anything but that is one of the biggest complaints, fake pics. Mongers don't like it so why should the girls. I don't post a pic and wait for the girl to ask. If she does ask then I send her a current pic. If she doesn't ask for a pic then she is a pro. No one likes to be cat fished.[/QUOTE]I hear you. You do what works -or doesn't work -for you. I am prominent in my community -as many of you are -and it would be a disaster to be discovered. Remember the AM fiasco? So I do not give a flying * what the girls like or do not like. When they meet me and engage in an arrangement they are well taken care of per the agreement. The SDs who get complaints obviously are using inaccurate pics that do not resemble them at all. If you are single put a nice pro shot up there and rock your truthfulness. If you are like most of us and have an SO then stealth is the key to protect you and your lifestyle as you know it. What happens when your SO makes a profile and sees your pics in the private section-Boom! You're busted.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2842470]Fake pics are the only way. Catfish baby! Make sure of 2 things 1) the pics actually look like you and 2) they don't reverse search.

To anyone-like a modelling agency or an actor. A long time ago I had an escort I became friends with and she comped me whenever she came to town on tour. We shared a lot of advice and one was the subject of pics. She picked out 3 for me that she said looked like me. Sure enough, I have used them for years and never once has any of my hundreds of girls I've meet questioned them. Just make sure a girl picks them out for you and that they are realistic-not 20 yrs ago or 40 lbs lighter.[/QUOTE]In other words, don't post this:

If you really look like this.

[QUOTE=Rouleur;2843362]In other words, don't post this:

If you really look like this.[/QUOTE]There you go -perfect example of a catfish gone bad!

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2843126]I hear you. You do what works -or doesn't work -for you. I am prominent in my community -as many of you are -and it would be a disaster to be discovered. Remember the AM fiasco? So I do not give a flying * what the girls like or do not like. When they meet me and engage in an arrangement they are well taken care of per the agreement. The SDs who get complaints obviously are using inaccurate pics that do not resemble them at all. If you are single put a nice pro shot up there and rock your truthfulness. If you are like most of us and have an SO then stealth is the key to protect you and your lifestyle as you know it. What happens when your SO makes a profile and sees your pics in the private section-Boom! You're busted.[/QUOTE]No matter how slick we think we are sooner or later you get busted if you play long enough or if the so is plain stupid or just doesn't care what you do as long as it doesn't follow you home. Oh and your right as long as you have the green most could give that flying fuck what you look like.

I had a couple of coffee dates last week with a girl from SA, and decent visit to the FC. She claimed to be attending a local University, but was on break last week. She had told me she could meet me any day after 10 am which I thought strange for a student. I inquired about her class schedule and she said all of her classes ended by 10 am. Ok. It's possible but.

Today she txt's me at 8:30 am saying she's at the gym for the next hour. I txt back saying. I thought you had class!

I've not heard back. LOL!

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2843126]What happens when your SO makes a profile and sees your pics in the private section-Boom! You're busted.[/QUOTE]Wow! That's Scary! I never truly factored in the risk around SO potentially getting her own account and getting your balls busted. Many of us tend to underestimate the possibility of our SO setting up accounts on the SD sites to snoop or otherwise. You never know. Its better to be careful than sorry.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2843987]I had a couple of coffee dates last week with a girl from SA, and decent visit to the FC. She claimed to be attending a local University, but was on break last week. She had told me she could meet me any day after 10 am which I thought strange for a student. I inquired about her class schedule and she said all of her classes ended by 10 am. Ok. It's possible but.

Today she txt's me at 8:30 am saying she's at the gym for the next hour. I txt back saying. I thought you had class!

I've not heard back. LOL![/QUOTE]So Bike -do you care if she isn't a student? If she is good in the FC and takes care of business for you just enjoy it. Sounds like you scared her off. OTOH, if you want to rule out Pros, UTRs, or nefarious scammers the truth might help. We lie to the SBs all the time in hiding our true identities. Maybe these girls don't want to be I'd'ed either.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2844471]So Bike -do you care if she isn't a student? If she is good in the FC and takes care of business for you just enjoy it. Sounds like you scared her off. OTOH, if you want to rule out Pros, UTRs, or nefarious scammers the truth might help. We lie to the SBs all the time in hiding our true identities. Maybe these girls don't want to be I'd'ed either.[/QUOTE]True, and I only care in regards to the type of arrangement we have. I won't put a UTR on an allowance, but I will and have non-UTR women. That's just my preference.

No great loss if I scared her off. She was a solid 8 in looks, but the FC wasn't anything special.

[URL]https://www.beewake.com/[/URL]

I just saw this. It probably will only be useful to the brothers in large cities and silicon valley for now. Hopefully, it takes off. I've not tried it yet to see how works.

I'm on s. A. And have been for a couple years. I don't have a picture on s. A. And will not send a picture through the site. I tell her I will email or text a picture, the picture I send was taken in the mall from a distance say 40 feet or so. I'm not looking at the camera, if I was approached with that picture, obviously someone took my picture without my permission and is trying to steal my identity.

[QUOTE=Bowtie;2841116]Mad is spot on, this forum is a good place to start. Actually, this entire site is. If its just a physical void you are looking to fill, there are many options from street walkers to high end escorts. I've dabbled a bit in these areas but I'm looking for emotional connection as well. You may get that to some extent with the previous mentioned categories, but a true girlfriend or sugar baby fills my void better. I need the daily greetings, chit chat, understanding what's going on in their lives and family etc. That's just my thing, what I'm missing in my 30+ year marriage. Having that closer connection makes the physical side that much better, and its better on the soul. I've not heard too much on here regarding that. I've been at this pretty hard for 4 or 5 years now, it can be tough on ya plus I don't want to negatively effect my young friends. I want to help them, make it a good experience for them. Not just taking money to f some old dude. I help every one of them in some positive way, that is what I use to justify it in my mind. Right or wrong, I don't know, but I do know I will never stop. Just got back from a road trip to spend some time with a beautiful 25 yo friend. OMG, we rocked each others world. She was very surprised in fact. I'm not, keep in mind the guys of her generation can hardly take care of themselves let alone a young lady.[/QUOTE]Funny you should mention having that closer connection being important. I had a summer arrangement that ended when school started as my 26 yo SB was a school teacher and our schedules no longer matched with both us being married. I just got back on SA last week after being off for a few months. After a few days I get a message from my old friend wanting to know if we could try it again. Her reason was that she missed feeling cared for. Her most recent experiences on SA had left her longing for me even more. She has spring break next week and I'm taking a day off from work to see her. Should be fun!

[QUOTE=BaldEagle;2844862]I'm on s. A. And have been for a couple years. I don't have a picture on s. A. And will not send a picture through the site. I tell her I will email or text a picture, the picture I send was taken in the mall from a distance say 40 feet or so. I'm not looking at the camera, if I was approached with that picture, obviously someone took my picture without my permission and is trying to steal my identity.[/QUOTE]You can right click on any SA photo and have Google do a search online for the image.

I would say about 1 in 10 profiles I have checked lead to their real identity via Facebook, Twitter or LinkedIn.

Do the same for any photo your are using. The fact you email it does not exempt it from being subject to right click Google Search. Strong cropping helps fool the search algorithm.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2845083]You can right click on any SA photo and have Google do a search online for the image.

I would say about 1 in 10 profiles I have checked lead to their real identity via Facebook, Twitter or LinkedIn.

Do the same for any photo your are using. The fact you email it does not exempt it from being subject to right click Google Search. Strong cropping helps fool the search algorithm.[/QUOTE]They recently disabled right clicks. There are workarounds but it was easy just to right click on the image.

[QUOTE=Spider2112;2845652]They recently disabled right clicks.[/QUOTE]I had no problem doing this all day.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2845743]I had no problem doing this all day.[/QUOTE]It was disabled last week. There were some posts on the other sugar threads. It stopped working for me too at that time but it's all back to good.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2844614][URL]https://www.beewake.com/[/URL]

I just saw this. It probably will only be useful to the brothers in large cities and silicon valley for now. Hopefully, it takes off. I've not tried it yet to see how works.[/QUOTE]Holy shit, Bike! I just downloaded this and gave it a test spin. It's fantastic. It pulled up two hotel rooms near me for a third of what they would normally rent for overnight, indicated they were available immediately and I could book through the app and pay when I checked in!

I'm certain another SD invented this app, and I'll kiss him too!

Peace,

Scott.

[QUOTE=FScott;2846005]Holy shit, Bike! I just downloaded this and gave it a test spin. It's fantastic. It pulled up two hotel rooms near me for a third of what they would normally rent for overnight, indicated they were available immediately and I could book through the app and pay when I checked in!

.[/QUOTE]What market are you in?

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2846012]What market are you in?[/QUOTE]I'm in Chicago.

Scott, thanks for sharing. Are these hourly rates? What are you getting for a typical 2 star such as red roof or comfort inn.

[QUOTE=FScott;2846005]Holy shit, Bike! I just downloaded this and gave it a test spin. It's fantastic. It pulled up two hotel rooms near me for a third of what they would normally rent for overnight, indicated they were available immediately and I could book through the app and pay when I checked in!

I'm certain another SD invented this app, and I'll kiss him too!

Peace,

Scott.[/QUOTE]

Hey Folks,

I need some help. I have a M&G set up with a girl here in RVA and I have not been able to find out anything about her. I have her number and access to her private pics but my regular search process has not revealed any results. So I need to ask if anyone has seen or met with Scarlet J12 in the RVA area. I know some of you guys don't like to share info, but if you would be willing to PM me with any info I will be very grateful. She is a 27 year old blonde. I suspect she could be UTR or a pro and would like to know what I am walking into. She has not asked for any $ but just looking for info.

Thanks,

Starkey.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;2846036]Scott, thanks for sharing. Are these hourly rates? What are you getting for a typical 2 star such as red roof or comfort inn.[/QUOTE]The two quotes I got were for 3 star hotels that normally go for 160 to 180 or more a night. They were both at 60 for 8 hours, from 10 am to 6 pm. More than enough time to get the job done, at least for me.

But the real beauty is that they didn't require a normal 3 pm check in time. They seemed to be ready at that very moment. For me, this has always been somewhat of a hurdle in getting a room. Since I'm married I usually have to be behind bars by 6 or 630, and with a 3 pm check in time that doesn't really leave enough time to make it worthwhile. I know one can ask for early check-in, and most of the time I've gotten a room early, but it raises a level of anxiety for me that I don't like. What if I show up at the desk, baby in tow, and they deny me early access? How much would that suck? And then there's the whole "baby flaking out on you" scenario. With this new app I can see picking up my little fish, finding a room that's available immediately, and heading straight to the FC. Can't wait to try it!

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;2846055]Hey Folks,

I need some help. I have a M&G set up with a girl here in RVA and I have not been able to find out anything about her. I have her number and access to her private pics but my regular search process has not revealed any results. So I need to ask if anyone has seen or met with Scarlet J12 in the RVA area. I know some of you guys don't like to share info, but if you would be willing to PM me with any info I will be very grateful. She is a 27 year old blonde. I suspect she could be UTR or a pro and would like to know what I am walking into. She has not asked for any $ but just looking for info.

Thanks,

Starkey.[/QUOTE]Don't know her but with a Substantial ask and well enhanced Boobs I would go for Pro. But of course I am profiling shamelessly. She could be a clueless hottie who doen't know what Substantial allowance means, but I doubt it. Are you in the Sub. Category? Be prepared for a $5-10,000 / month ask.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2846120]Don't know her but with a Substantial ask and well enhanced Boobs I would go for Pro. But of course I am profiling shamelessly. She could be a clueless hottie who doen't know what Substantial allowance means, but I doubt it. Are you in the Sub. Category? Be prepared for a $5-10,000 / month ask.[/QUOTE]Fred. Certainly not that substantial. But I have met with girls in that category who end up asking for less. I actually have 3 other M&G's scheduled in the next 5 days, so I may just cancel. Some of you guys have criticized what I have been willing to pay in the past, but I'm not crazy. No one in RVA is getting that kind of money.

Stark.

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;2846172]Fred. Certainly not that substantial. But I have met with girls in that category who end up asking for less. I actually have 3 other M&G's scheduled in the next 5 days, so I may just cancel. Some of you guys have criticized what I have been willing to pay in the past, but I'm not crazy. No one in RVA is getting that kind of money.

Stark.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, each of us is entitled to pay what the relationship requires and is worth to you. I have been successful at a much lower price point, but if I had to (and could) go up to get what I wanted -I would. Let us know how it works out. SDs who do pay at the higher level have access to SBs who demand that and will not compromise. Quality is not always associated with the Dollar amount paid though.

I've seen a very cute and sweet girl twice now and things were going great!! She text me today apologizing for being out of contact. Let me know she really liked me and enjoyed our time together, but because of her financial situation she had to accept a higher offer.

I expressed disappointment, but wished her well and hoped that the arrangement met her expectations. Let her know she can contact me again if things don't work out as planned.

I think she expected me to try and counter and was surprised I didn't. I won't be surprised if she contacts me again. There is a good chance the offer wasn't real or they won't deliver on their offer. We will see.

I have heard from several girls who said negotiable or otherwise and settled for not more than 300 to 350, but also heard from girls who are in the lower end on the profile do not want anything lower than 500 one even asked me for 800 to 1000, per hour.

I am dealing with one now 18 yr old super hot girl gave me nice kiss on the mouth for spending almost 200 including the 150 for M&G, I know she is seeing some one else who might be spending that kind of dough. I am also there to spend 500 at least to do her one time.

I even did not get responses when I offedred 200 to 300 for 40 lady, go figure!!

Happy hunting.

S2568.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2846219]With all due respect, each of us is entitled to pay what the relationship requires and is worth to you. I have been successful at a much lower price point, but if I had to (and could) go up to get what I wanted -I would. Let us know how it works out. SDs who do pay at the higher level have access to SBs who demand that and will not compromise. Quality is not always associated with the Dollar amount paid though.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2846425]I've seen a very cute and sweet girl twice now and things were going great!! She text me today apologizing for being out of contact. Let me know she really liked me and enjoyed our time together, but because of her financial situation she had to accept a higher offer.

I expressed disappointment, but wished her well and hoped that the arrangement met her expectations. Let her know she can contact me again if things don't work out as planned.

I think she expected me to try and counter and was surprised I didn't. I won't be surprised if she contacts me again. There is a good chance the offer wasn't real or they won't deliver on their offer. We will see.[/QUOTE]You should be proud. Good move. Similar situation happened to me 2 weeks ago after 3 visits with a very hot 22 yr old (so hot she brought a gf to the fc for the first visit. She was new to SA and wanted the security of a threesome. It was a visit I will never forget). She wanted to bump it from $$ to $$. 5. As much as I hated to I did what you did. For the first.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2846425]
I think she expected me to try and counter and was surprised I didn't. I won't be surprised if she contacts me again. There is a good chance the offer wasn't real or they won't deliver on their offer. We will see.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you are playing it well. The higher offer dude is prolly a one-off date anyway, as a large number are. Sounds like everything was civil, so in a bit she may very well be back! You should be proud - well done.

[QUOTE=FScott;2846090]The two quotes I got were for 3 star hotels that normally go for 160 to 180 or more a night. They were both at 60 for 8 hours, from 10 am to 6 pm. More than enough time to get the job done, at least for me. But the real beauty is that they didn't require a normal 3 pm check in time. They seemed to be ready at that very moment. [/QUOTE]Thats a nice deal but very cleverly done. Paying 60 for 8 hours or paying 180 for full day perhaps works down to same hourly rate. Buts makes a mountain of a difference for mongers like us. The next thing to worry is how to keep any paper trail (from the app, cc statements) not follow us to haunt us.

I've been out of the "monger" game for a few years now, but I've often been tempted by the rise of the sugarbaby (SB) online world. I had a few (3) SB relationships via the bar scene years ago, and almost feel like I "invented" the concept. Based on the reports here, it seems so much easier and efficient online.

I made a profile on SD4 M, it seemed to be less overhead than SA, though I've heard that SA is more of a college crowd which would be better for me. I may try SA later. My profile pic was a software blend of my face and another guy's face. I texted or emailed about 20 girls in the area, met three from the site, and had one SB relationship lasting two months, which ended strangely. Let's call her Mary. She was 19 and told me I was her third sexual partner.

It was nice while it lasted. A true GFE: kissing, friendship, wet pussy, orgasisms, etc. She was intelligent, which I liked. Mary's SD4 M profile went unused during the time I knew her. The other SB prospects I met seemed to be professional SB, as they remained active online during the time I was on the site. Mary said she wanted to be monogamous with her SD. At my age (early 50's) it was amazing to find an attractive 19 yo who responded to me like that. I'm pretty sure it was real.

After two months, Mary called it off, citing moral qualms about taking money from my family. She was also unhappy with how much I paid her (200/ visit / week). But after breaking up, a remarkable sequence of events occurred. I was contacted by a friend in her dormitory, also a cute college freshman, who said my offer was adequate and she thought I was handsome. I was tempted, but it just seemed too weird for me, so I passed. Within a few days this led to more strange events: Mary trying to get back with me, her dorm friend sending angry messages (thank goodness for anonymous phone / email) and finally Mary giving up again.

I'd like to have one SB who is at least semi-normal and remain with her for a long time, but without getting too serious and as long as she accepts my budget. I think I'll try again.

[QUOTE=Snake27;2846920]
I'd like to have one SB who is at least semi-normal and remain with her for a long time, but without getting too serious and as long as she accepts my budget. I think I'll try again.[/QUOTE]

Semi-normal? What is that? No surprise that an inexperienced very young girl might get cold feet in the middle of the game? Perhaps she got found out by her roomie or BFF and when that embarrassment hit she backed out with a face saving excuse about taking money from your family? But nothing in what was reported about her sounds like she was inappropriate or "not normal."

Shoot you had the perfect situation, another hot young thing that wanted to get with you! Her friend might have been just what you are looking for? But when Mary came back, you had all of the leverage and didn't use it. Shoot, maybe could have backed her off to 100 or 150 since she was concerned about taking money from your family. Shoot maybe if her guilt was large enough you could have negotiate free dates? After all it sounds like she wasn't very experienced and maybe just liked the good sex?

I'd see if I couldn't revive the situation with Mary or seek out her friend. IF you haven't burned the bridges too badly.

One of the things I had to learn in this game is to stop apply the mores and standards I was brought up with. With the 20-something crowd and the Tinder fueled hook up culture, scr*wing guys right and left is meaning less. To use a German phrase, [i]es, macht nichts![/i] (it makes nothing) There is no longer a stigma associated with a girl sowing her wild oats in many circles.

But most of the hook up culture means marginal or bad sex with misogynistic young dudes and then having to endure the dude telling all of his buddies about everything you did. No wonder so many younger girls are willing to SB! They find great sex on a consistent basis, the dude treats them well, he keeps his damn mouth shut and she walks away with gifts! Since there is no social or moral consequence to casual sex, what bright girl wouldn't engage in such?

Anyway, good luck! Hope you can repair things with Mary, engage the friend or find another.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2847377]Semi-normal? What is that? No surprise that an inexperienced very young girl might get cold feet in the middle of the game? Perhaps she got found out by her roomie or BFF and when that embarrassment hit she backed out with a face saving excuse about taking money from your family? But nothing in what was reported about her sounds like she was inappropriate or "not normal."

Shoot you had the perfect situation, another hot young thing that wanted to get with you! Her friend might have been just what you are looking for? But when Mary came back, you had all of the leverage and didn't use it. Shoot, maybe could have backed her off to 100 or 150 since she was concerned about taking money from your family. Shoot maybe if her guilt was large enough you could have negotiate free dates? After all it sounds like she wasn't very experienced and maybe just liked the good sex?

I'd see if I couldn't revive the situation with Mary or seek out her friend. IF you haven't burned the bridges too badly.

[/QUOTE]I agree with CPL. Go calling with hat (and dick) in hand and apologize for being a fool. Maybe you can end up with both of them.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2847377]Semi-normal? What is that? No surprise that an inexperienced very young girl might get cold feet in the middle of the game? Perhaps she got found out by her roomie or BFF and when that embarrassment hit she backed out with a face saving excuse about taking money from your family? But nothing in what was reported about her sounds like she was inappropriate or "not normal."[/QUOTE]The bowl is such a mind-blower to those of us from an older generation that it's easy to get caught up in the fantasy-come-true aspect. But amidst the UTR's, the players, the GPS girls, and the way-out-there free spirits, there really are some SB's that are grounded in normalcy. It's easy to forget that behind the fantasy there can be a girl living a pretty routine life, dealing with roommates, family, friends, etc.

These girls can be quite a find, assuming you walk the fine line between enjoying the intimacy yet keeping a healthy distance.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2846120]Don't know her but with a Substantial ask and well enhanced Boobs I would go for Pro. But of course I am profiling shamelessly. She could be a clueless hottie who doen't know what Substantial allowance means, but I doubt it. Are you in the Sub. Category? Be prepared for a $5-10,000 / month ask.[/QUOTE]I do find that their expectation selection (substantial, moderate etc.) does often provide a bit of insight into what they were thinking at the time they set up (or last edited their profile), and no doubt in some cases it reflects their ongoing perception of self-value.

However I've learned to ignore it. I'm of the belief that anything that involves the female mind is ALWAYS AND UNCONDITIONALLY NEGOTIABLE. Us Men are different, much more rule-based. We set rules and boundaries and then you have to pry them from our cold dead fingers. Women don't think like that. How negotiable they are depends on the individual, the geographical region, amount of game he has, amount of game she has, chemistry between the two, etc.

Part of the fun for me is the craft of invoking ego-regression on their part. Watching them go from "So, tell me how you're going to spoil me" down the chain to "well if I could just get a couple of my bills paid each month I'd be happy with that". Sometimes all the way down to "ok it doesn't have to be about money at all I just want to meet because I'm not interested in guys my age", etc. It doesn't always go that swimmingly of course, but when it does, it's a fun thing to have been responsible for making happen.

Point is, feel free to ignore "expectation". Expectation and reality are different.

About enhanced boobs though. I've had a very different experiences here, I find boob surgery to be fairly common these days. It's cost-effective enough now that pretty much every girl that wants it already has had breast enhancement surgery. If they can afford multiple tattoos they can afford a boob job with even a little extra patience and saving. A lot of my dates over the years have had enhanced boobs, some of them so subtle there is no way you would know they'd had work done (because they didn't go overboard) until they told you. So basically these days if you see a pair of boobs that looks particularly nice, unless they feel like two bagfuls of warm butter, just assume there is some enhancement there. The good boob jobs have a naturally small look to them and just add overall perkiness and shape, they don't look like the bolt-on bubbles you see on porn stars and strippers.

I could just never associate boob jobs with being a pro. Other behaviors that have been discussed in the past are more accurate indicators I think.

I agree here. It's refreshing having a nice college super hot SB who has a normal life, looks up to you because of everything you can offer, provides all the tightness that your current SO lacks, and who doesn't bring drama.

Like Walruscl notes, the bowl is filled with undesireables that SDs deal with, but its nice having a SB that is grounded in normalcy (except for when she is with you, banging your brains out and doing everything a good girl shouldn't).

While the younger generation has a different attitude about sex, in my humble opinion, most sbs I meet would prefer one SD. That being said, the most "normal" and faithful SBs I've had were the ones that had a boyfriend or a SO.

My best sugar relationships have been situations where we were both truly an escape for each other from otherwise "normal" lives, and would have otherwise been attracted to each other - irrespective of the fact that we met through a sugar site. The prospect of sugar brings the babies to the bowl. A combination of sugar, game, and chemistry (in varying parts depending on the individuals involved) get you to the FC, and then chemistry is what keeps the sugar relationship going.

Just my two cents based on my experience.

[QUOTE=Walruscl;2847887]The bowl is such a mind-blower to those of us from an older generation that it's easy to get caught up in the fantasy-come-true aspect. But amidst the UTR's, the players, the GPS girls, and the way-out-there free spirits, there really are some SB's that are grounded in normalcy. It's easy to forget that behind the fantasy there can be a girl living a pretty routine life, dealing with roommates, family, friends, etc.

These girls can be quite a find, assuming you walk the fine line between enjoying the intimacy yet keeping a healthy distance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2848239]
Part of the fun for me is the craft of invoking ego-regression on their part. Watching them go from "So, tell me how you're going to spoil me" down the chain to "well if I could just get a couple of my bills paid each month I'd be happy with that". Sometimes all the way down to "ok it doesn't have to be about money at all I just want to meet because I'm not interested in guys my age", etc. It doesn't always go that swimmingly of course, but when it does, it's a fun thing to have been responsible for making happen.

Point is, feel free to ignore "expectation". Expectation and reality are different.
[/QUOTE]I have to fully agree here. There have been cases where they asked High and settled for.

Wow I can really have a climax with a male. I never had one.

Plus YES thank you for helping me with my resume.

Plus thanks for texting me back so quickly always (my friends sometimes take 6 hours before they respond).

And Oh I only need my car payment paid every month ($150).

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;2846055]Hey Folks,

I need some help. I have a M&G set up with a girl here in RVA and I have not been able to find out anything about her. I have her number and access to her private pics but my regular search process has not revealed any results. So I need to ask if anyone has seen or met with Scarlet J12 in the RVA area. I know some of you guys don't like to share info, but if you would be willing to PM me with any info I will be very grateful. She is a 27 year old blonde. I suspect she could be UTR or a pro and would like to know what I am walking into. She has not asked for any $ but just looking for info.

Thanks,

Starkey.[/QUOTE]Lately. I often can't find out much about a POT. Just make sure and meet in a public place, and be aware of your surroundings. Trust your gut!