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[QUOTE=Smack69; 1301251]Sara in Clermont is a great GFE provider. Never rushes, or clock watches. She's new to the board and messed up with the pictures. I'm not going to go Fla Jim, but maybe my fellow mongors could cut her some slack and give her a try, you won't regret it. I will be back for more.

Adam[/QUOTE]Could you define GFE?

And on another note, WTF is up with the debate forum format where any lady reviewed parries each and every post? It says USASG at the top not He Said, She Said. I appreciate Adam's opinion as a fellow monger but there's some variable mileage for certain. I got 12 mpg and you seem to have gotten 42 mpg.

Again, define GFE so I have a point of reference / consideration for your future reviews.

[QUOTE=Xiao Xing; 1299851]I have a few contact with VS. However, I read a lot of his postings and heard from providers he met. They told me VS is a very polite gentleman. I believe so.

I also heard about GM from one of the providers I had very close relationship with for a long time. She told me that GM is a cheater. Before he left that provider, his wife was calling him. He would get wet in the shower so that he looks he was just from the tennis court he told his wife where he went to.

XX.[/QUOTE]Seriously? Am I reading this right? I don't know neither VS or GM, but are you seriously calling GM a cheater like its a bad thing? You do know you are a participant in a hobby that's not moral right? So please don't anyone on here think you are better than someone else on here.

[QUOTE=Smack69; 1301251]Sara in Clermont is a great GFE provider. Never rushes, or clock watches. She's new to the board and messed up with the pictures. I'm not going to go Fla Jim, but maybe my fellow mongors could cut her some slack and give her a try, you won't regret it. I will be back for more.

Adam[/QUOTE]Thank you adam hope to see you again soon! I like you! Sara

[QUOTE=OriginalSin; 1301238]Its not going to be easy in this place to just come in defending yourself as "the real deal," without any proof. All you can do is offer a great deal and have one of us visit you and post a good review. There's just SO many providers out there busy bullshitin, you have to be patient, make an offer and stay consistent once you built your reputation.

Good luck, be safe.

OS[/QUOTE]I'm tryin I got some good ones!

[QUOTE=EndGame; 1301411]Could you define GFE?

And on another note, WTF is up with the debate forum format where any lady reviewed parries each and every post? It says USASG at the top not He Said, She Said. I appreciate Adam's opinion as a fellow monger but there's some variable mileage for certain. I got 12 mpg and you seem to have gotten 42 mpg.

Again, define GFE so I have a point of reference / consideration for your future reviews.[/QUOTE]Definition GFE.

For me GFE lots of DFK and at least BBBJ. Ms Clermont, Sara or Brittney and I had a dream. I did not get GFE because everything is covered but did get the DFKs and a covered trip around the world. Took direction well and had a great time with a nice lady. Room was a little messy because she lives there. I personally could care less as I am not going to see the room. Perfect example of YMMV, I would say according to EndGames scale a solid 35 MPG.

Play Safe Play Nice

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LOL, well cheating IS a bad thing! I know I may be in the minority, but being single allows me to practice this hobby without the guilt and remorse that comes with cheating. Its not an issue for many and I respect other peoples way of life, but infidelity in any relationship is negative. Some can just block out guilt but I never could. I know that I liked this way of life and I would never give it up and that caused the dissolution of my marraige. Sometimes I wonder about being able to give it up, to stay in a relationship but it never lasts more than a year because I know I'm missing out on so many fine ladies LOL. Within the scope of this board, morality is relevant, but it just seems less immoral to subject any unsuspecting parties to the wrath of this curse.

[QUOTE=Magic74;1301496]Seriously? Am I reading this right? I don't know neither VS or GM, but are you seriously calling GM a cheater like its a bad thing? You do know you are a participant in a hobby that's not moral right? So please don't anyone on here think you are better than someone else on here.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xiao Xing; 1299851]I also heard about GM from one of the providers I had very close relationship with for a long time. She told me that GM is a cheater. Before he left that provider, his wife was calling him. He would get wet in the shower so that he looks he was just from the tennis court he told his wife where he went to.

XX.[/QUOTE]A cheater? In this hobby? Heavens to Betsy, who would have guessed? Did this provider friend of yours stop seeing GM after finding out he was married? Does this provider friend of yours have a "bachelors only" policy with regard to clients? In fact do any providers have a "bachelors only" policy? And do any of the "gentlemen" here refuse to see a provider who knowingly has married clients?

Of course than answer to all of these questions is a resounding [b]no[/b].

Time for a reality check.

We can call ourselves ladies, ladies of the evening, gentlemen, gentleman callers, courtesans, companions or whatever other cutesy words and phrases we can come up with to sugar coat the hobby and those who partake but at the end of the day the only thing any of us are really doing is buying and selling pussy. Why must we put so much effort into pretending it's something other than that? Look, I like my barber, mechanic and dentist. I even ask them about their families and have pleasant conversations with them from time to time. But I pay them to cut my hair, fix my car and clean my teeth. They're all running a business and I patronize them because I like the quality of the service they provide. It is what it is.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent; 1300514]Those who know me know I am in a position to not have to kiss up to anyone. I also have no interest in saving anyone. I do have an interest in a woman being strong, independent and deciding her own destiny. It has long been my belief and experience that men who treat women with respect, are treated by them the same way. Imagine all the jerks, who only care about getting off, that women have to tolerate. Then imagine how you stand out when you are clean, freshly shaven, treat her like the woman you want to marry and genuinely care about her comfort and pleasure. Can't tell you how many times a one hour appointment turned into two without the mention of additional compensation. Can't tell you how many times I have read reviews knocking a girl when my experience was just the opposite.

Feel free to continue to act like a jerk. It just makes me look better.

Boss Hogg. Could not have picked a better name for you.[/QUOTE]If you want to treat providers like you want to marry them then that's your prerogative. I, on the other hand, do NOT treat them like I want to marry them because I don't. I treat them like I want to fuck them WITHOUT marrying them and I'm willing to pay them more than what a minimum wage worker makes in a week in order to do so. That doesn't make me a jerk, it makes me honest. It's a business transaction; nothing more, nothing less.

I know how to conduct myself when requesting a date, when showing up for a date, during the date and after the date. I never haggle on the donation, I never overstay my welcome, I always arrive on time, I almost always arrive freshly showered and the 10% of the time when I don't arrive freshly showered I ask to clean up beforehand. Occasionally I tip and I always post a positive review when the service warrants it. What else should a provider ask for in a client? But my little tirade wasn't about what takes place during the hour or so I spend with a provider, it's about the non-stop grand standing and white knighting that I see on fora such as this.

So I will continue to be honest or a "jerk" as you call it. It may make you look better online but that's really not important, is it? I can brush, gargle, shower and shave just as well as you can and last time I checked Office Depot and the Federal Reserve sells the same plain white envelopes and prints the same one, two, five, ten, twenty, fifty and hundred dollar bills for you as they do for me. So unless I'm showing up on dates with a name tag that says "Boss Hogg from USASG", how on earth would a provider know me from any other client?

Reread the last paragraph of the section responding to XX. It applies to you as well, ET.

[QUOTE=Clayfornow; 1301636]Definition GFE.

For me GFE lots of DFK and at least BBBJ. Ms Clermont, Sara or Brittney and I had a dream. I did not get GFE because everything is covered but did get the DFKs and a covered trip around the world. Took direction well and had a great time with a nice lady. Room was a little messy because she lives there. I personally could care less as I am not going to see the room. Perfect example of YMMV, I would say according to EndGames scale a solid 35 MPG.

Play Safe Play Nice[/QUOTE]So we're in agreement. The prior review of a "great" GFE was not what you experienced. The EG scale you mentioned is irrelevant as YMMV is qualitative rather than quantitative. If it were the latter, 35/42 or (83% of a "great" GFE) could not reasonably be a correct estimation. I'm seriously glad that you enjoyed yourself and that you and other mongers who rely on your review will see Sara / Brittney as she is a nice lady and needs to establish a clientele. BTW, did you agree with the BP ad stated age (23)?

This definitely shows the YMMV concept and tells more about the two of us rather than the reviewee.

Stay safe.

[QUOTE=DayCruiser;1301678]LOL, well cheating IS a bad thing! I know I may be in the minority, but being single allows me to practice this hobby without the guilt and remorse that comes with cheating. Its not an issue for many and I respect other peoples way of life, but infidelity in any relationship is negative. Some can just block out guilt but I never could. I know that I liked this way of life and I would never give it up and that caused the dissolution of my marraige. Sometimes I wonder about being able to give it up, to stay in a relationship but it never lasts more than a year because I know I'm missing out on so many fine ladies LOL. Within the scope of this board, morality is relevant, but it just seems less immoral to subject any unsuspecting parties to the wrath of this curse.[/QUOTE]According to who? The guys wearing dresses? And what is cheating? Neither men OR women are built to have just one partner. That is something made up by MEN who want to hold on to power! One thing the hobby does is allows us to do what comes naturally. And by paying the bill. Allows us to walk away with no expectations of ongoing love and relationships. 'Paying the bill' is the sole responsibility.

Sounds pretty moral to me.

[QUOTE=EndGame; 1301411]Could you define GFE?

And on another note, WTF is up with the debate forum format where any lady reviewed parries each and every post? It says USASG at the top not He Said, She Said. I appreciate Adam's opinion as a fellow monger but there's some variable mileage for certain. I got 12 mpg and you seem to have gotten 42 mpg.

Again, define GFE so I have a point of reference / consideration for your future reviews.[/QUOTE]"You ain't gettin' NUTHIN tonight, Buster!

[QUOTE=EndGame; 1301859]So we're in agreement. The prior review of a "great" GFE was not what you experienced. The EG scale you mentioned is irrelevant as YMMV is qualitative rather than quantitative. If it were the latter. 35/42 or (83% of a "great" GFE) could not reasonably be a correct estimation. I'm seriously glad that you enjoyed yourself and that you and other mongers who rely on your review will see Sara / Brittney as she is a nice lady and needs to establish a clientele. BTW, did you agree with the BP ad stated age (23)?

This definitely shows the YMMV concept and tells more about the two of us rather than the reviewee.

Stay safe.[/QUOTE]GFE: Good attitude, kissing, BBBJ, DATY and CFS. Sara does a CBJ according to the reviews, so she is not GFE. Why make it hard when it is simple.

[QUOTE=Otwist;1301886]GFE: Good attitude, kissing, BBBJ, DATY and CFS. Sara does a CBJ according to the reviews, so she is not GFE. Why make it hard when it is simple.[/QUOTE]Based on the prior posts and my experience, my point was that it's not a GFE in spite of some mongers trying to sell it as such. It IS pretty damned simple. I think the complex part arises from the variety of people's wants, needs and expectations. I had my expectations and they were unfulfilled. I originally asked the question because I saw GFE implied and had mentally gone through your checklist above and didn't check too many of the boxes.

[QUOTE=Otwist;1301886]GFE: Good attitude, kissing, BBBJ, DATY and CFS. Sara does a CBJ according to the reviews, so she is not GFE. Why make it hard when it is simple.[/QUOTE]To me, this is the exact definition of GFE. It has been debated many times before and the listing above seems to be the general concensus.

[QUOTE=Vino 7373;1301948]To me, this is the exact definition of GFE. It has been debated many times before and the listing above seems to be the general concensus.[/QUOTE]The only thing I would add is that these are the minimum requirements for GFE. Several ladies on our positive review / real deal list go above and beyond the GFE requirements.