"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2795809]I was wondering if anyone has found that the agreed on first date price is what the lady in question is willing to take from then on? I'm expecting upsell.

I see some that were on SA for a long time are now just on WYP. Generally speaking not worth buying credits there as only a few people seem active.[/QUOTE]WYP = What's Your Price.

This is a sister site to Seeking Arrangement and often does cross promotions. It is the worst thing to happen to SB-ing.

WYP is imho a complete waste of time and resources; You have "pay" upfront just to unlock communications with a girl, then to find out she has GPS (golden pussy syndrome) or refuses to play. Why pay a girl money to meet you, eat food you provide or drink drinks you pay for when you can do that for no cost with a potential SB?

If you play this game, you are marking yourself as an easy mark and expect to be rinsed by the girls. Note the strict warnings on the WYP website, something to the order of, "Sex should never be expected on a date. " The girls see that and love to string you along. In my experience, most want easy money for platonic dates, and few are willing to carry it "all the way. " so fishing here is fishing in the wrong pond.

Spend your "up front" money on a SA membership and contact some SB wannabees. You should be able to meet those girls for free. NEVER pay for an introductory Meet & Greet (M&G). Then negotiate an arrangement in person.

Oookk. If you have kept up with my story. I have been seeing my SB for about 5 mths with 2 mths of "activity". All has been good for the most part but of course some flakey moments as with virtually any SB (except my ATF but I digress). My SO and I have officially split. (not because of SB that was long in coming anyway) . I have been seeing my SB at what I will refer to as the "Batcave". My SB knows I have an SO and have been on the outs. Here is the kicker. My SB does not know my real name! My bat cave situation will only last for so much longer. I have a pretty good sense of the SB as in if I end at some point she would likely not not be a real issue. Probably just move home to TX. But I am going to have to switch to my actual home for mtgs. With that said she has expressed an interest in seeing each other more and has said it would be nice to be able to have more stay overs so that could def happen at my home. So. How or when do I approach the name thing. Or do I? We may take a trip in the next couple months so if nothing else. The name thing is going to come up either at the hotel. Airport or somewhere. And would prefer to deal with now vs then. I guess she could walk but we do get along well and she has a nice situation with regular allowance etc. Your thoughts brothers?

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2799476]Oookk. If you have kept up with my story. I have been seeing my SB for about 5 mths with 2 mths of "activity". All has been good for the most part but of course some flakey moments as with virtually any SB (except my ATF but I digress). My SO and I have officially split. (not because of SB that was long in coming anyway) . I have been seeing my SB at what I will refer to as the "Batcave". My SB knows I have an SO and have been on the outs. Here is the kicker. My SB does not know my real name! My bat cave situation will only last for so much longer. I have a pretty good sense of the SB as in if I end at some point she would likely not not be a real issue. Probably just move home to TX. But I am going to have to switch to my actual home for mtgs. With that said she has expressed an interest in seeing each other more and has said it would be nice to be able to have more stay overs so that could def happen at my home. So. How or when do I approach the name thing. Or do I? We may take a trip in the next couple months so if nothing else. The name thing is going to come up either at the hotel. Airport or somewhere. And would prefer to deal with now vs then. I guess she could walk but we do get along well and she has a nice situation with regular allowance etc. Your thoughts brothers?[/QUOTE]The whole thing is --can you trust her not to interfere with your Divorce process? Also be careful insinuating her into your real life. She will have access to your private papers at home and may get overly attached.

So why upset the apple cart? If you think she is not a nosey girl (yeah -right!) then don't bring it up, but realize she might want to have more investment in your life without SO around. You might consider keeping the SO presence "alive" in her mind so you can have an excuse to keep the secret life going.

Good thoughts. My SO and I were not married but lived together for about 5 years. She is out now. I keep private papers locked in an office so minimal there. But my bat cave situation is coming to an end too and she will not be an afternoon hotel girl. As she sees us as dating. You may not of read my story but this girl was hand picked and had not investigated the SB life. I just charmed her. LOL into dating an older guy and explained some of the benefits. Plus if we travel. Its going to come out. Like when the the TSA agent at the gate looks at me and says how are you today mr"Sugar Daddy" are you traveling with your daughter today Ms "sugar baby" Hahahah,. So it will come up.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2799540]The whole thing is --can you trust her not to interfere with your Divorce process? Also be careful insinuating her into your real life. She will have access to your private papers at home and may get overly attached.

So why upset the apple cart? If you think she is not a nosey girl (yeah -right!) then don't bring it up, but realize she might want to have more investment in your life without SO around. You might consider keeping the SO presence "alive" in her mind so you can have an excuse to keep the secret life going.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2799568]Good thoughts. My SO and I were not married but lived together for about 5 years. She is out now. I keep private papers locked in an office so minimal there. But my bat cave situation is coming to an end too and she will not be an afternoon hotel girl. As she sees us as dating. You may not of read my story but this girl was hand picked and had not investigated the SB life. I just charmed her. LOL into dating an older guy and explained some of the benefits. Plus if we travel. Its going to come out. Like when the the TSA agent at the gate looks at me and says how are you today mr"Sugar Daddy" are you traveling with your daughter today Ms "sugar baby" Hahahah,. So it will come up.[/QUOTE]In reading your responses, I think you have the answer already. The fact that you appear to be concerned about her knowing your name speaks volumes. Either that is a concern or it isn't? You decide. No one on this board knows your situation as well as you do.

So some food for thought: Does she want to take the relationship to the next level? Might she be angling to move in? What are the implications in the neighborhood of the SB doing sleep overs? What ways could she damage your reputation in the community or professionally if everything with her goes south and ends up in a bunch of drama? What are her feelings toward you? Are they headed for wanting a relationship? Does she want or dream of kids?

Basically, what are all of the scenarios that could happen? You have to be able to see the 30,000-ft level and all of the possibilities in order to evaluate the risks of any action. Don't be guided by the little head and the excitement of the possibilities of many nights of overnights. That little guy can be responsible for more "bad thinking" and trouble in the long-run.

Then perhaps one needs a long session with the dude in the mirror. What are your feelings for this girl? How vulnerable are you from the recent split with the SO? Have you been using the SB as an emotional crutch as the SO situation has faded? Is she a replacement for the SO?

I think if you do enough wandering around the forest of your situation, you'll find you know the answer.

Good luck! Enjoy the play!

In short. Do I foresee something very LT. No. I do not believe she does either. She has one child and has been clear no others will come from her vagina. LOL. I also belief she has longer term plans for life that would not be best suited with me. I am almost 30 yrs older and believe the same. But we are both at a point where this situation serves us well. Enjoy each others company and there is some connection. . as this will likely occur for me with her. Being single. And my just broken relationship was not a marriage. Not much to hold over my head. I have watched. / known of her for a couple of years. Met her back then. Though she did not really know me. Watched her FB over time and have never seen any demonstrated behavior of crazy ***** shit. . that is a rarity amount girls in her age range. She tends to keep her private info just that. Private. Not a bunch of FB bullshit postings etc.

With that said I guess my question should of been. Have any other brothers broken their alias to their SB and if so how did it go and how did you present the info?

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2800792]In reading your responses, I think you have the answer already. The fact that you appear to be concerned about her knowing your name speaks volumes. Either that is a concern or it isn't? You decide. No one on this board knows your situation as well as you do.

So some food for thought: Does she want to take the relationship to the next level? Might she be angling to move in? What are the implications in the neighborhood of the SB doing sleep overs? What ways could she damage your reputation in the community or professionally if everything with her goes south and ends up in a bunch of drama? What are her feelings toward you? Are they headed for wanting a relationship? Does she want or dream of kids?

Basically, what are all of the scenarios that could happen? You have to be able to see the 30,000-ft level and all of the possibilities in order to evaluate the risks of any action. Don't be guided by the little head and the excitement of the possibilities of many nights of overnights. That little guy can be responsible for more "bad thinking" and trouble in the long-run.

Then perhaps one needs a long session with the dude in the mirror. What are your feelings for this girl? How vulnerable are you from the recent split with the SO? Have you been using the SB as an emotional crutch as the SO situation has faded? Is she a replacement for the SO?

I think if you do enough wandering around the forest of your situation, you'll find you know the answer.

Good luck! Enjoy the play![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2800901]...
With that said I guess my question should of been. Have any other brothers broken their alias to their SB and if so how did it go and how did you present the info?[/QUOTE]So what is the downside to her knowing your real identity? Of course there are the risks that Cephalopod pointed out but in this day and age who cares about someone's personal stuff unless they are a politician or a public figure.

The aforementioned risks exist even in a civvy dating situation.

You are correct. There really are not any risks. My question is has anyone here done the same. Eventually tell their SB their real name at some point. If so how did you approach this. What was their reaction. She may freak and leave which would suck but I can get another. I just have a type I like and its narrow. She fits the bill well. For now anyway. LOL.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2801011]So what is the downside to her knowing your real identity? Of course there are the risks that Cephalopod pointed out but in this day and age who cares about someone's personal stuff unless they are a politician or a public figure.

The aforementioned risks exist even in a civvy dating situation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2801042]You are correct. There really are not any risks. My question is has anyone here done the same. Eventually tell their SB their real name at some point. If so how did you approach this. What was their reaction. She may freak and leave which would suck but I can get another. I just have a type I like and its narrow. She fits the bill well. For now anyway. LOL.[/QUOTE]Actually, confiding in her about the real you will be affirming for her. You can tell her that you have grown to trust her and want to share more about yourself. She will love it.

I did it with my #1 SB and she didn't seem to care one way or another. She was concerned about me intruding on her peer group. She loved me in private but at 40 yrs age difference she didn't want me showing up around her peer or family radar either. Can you imagine a 20 yr old bringing home a 60 yr old "BF" ? Creepy!

So I'm 58 and been taking Cialis at 10 mg a couple of years in advance of my dates. I need it to get rock hard only as getting an erection is no problem. Works fine but my latest SB is into very extended foreplay for upwards of an hour. Here lately by the time she is finally ready for me to put it in, my little guy has lost his edge and the last time despite her sucking on it, it never got hard enough for me to do it. I ended up cumming in her mouth and it didn't really get hard until about 10 seconds before I shot my load.

I'm guessing at some point a blood engorged penis needs a rest. Anyone else have problems with keeping it hard for a long time when taking ED pills? A few hours later and into the next day, no problem getting hard erections.

Perfect. And a good thought. I did not consider her thinking positively about the revealing. She has been aware of my break up situation and knows that the SO is moving out (SO has already but I was buying time). We were out recently and she actually wanted to go by a place where one of her friends works for a drink.. we went but she was not there.. so she really does not seem to have a stigma about our age difference.. even though I am salt n pepper I am in good physical condition so that helps I guess.. we will see where it all goes!.. well we all know it will be an eventual ending.. but enjoy the time till then!

Good thoughts!

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2801102]Actually, confiding in her about the real you will be affirming for her. You can tell her that you have grown to trust her and want to share more about yourself. She will love it.

I did it with my #1 SB and she didn't seem to care one way or another. She was concerned about me intruding on her peer group. She loved me in private but at 40 yrs age difference she didn't want me showing up around her peer or family radar either. Can you imagine a 20 yr old bringing home a 60 yr old "BF" ? Creepy![/QUOTE]

After about 1. 5 years with my number 1, I opened up. Over dinner had a nice discussion about trust and connection, honesty, feeling bad. Anyway, told her all, first, last, location, all. Things still going strong over 2 years now. Closer. She does bring it up though, in fun, but not forgotten! You have been with her long enough to know what approach to use.

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2802440]Perfect. And a good thought. I did not consider her thinking positively about the revealing. She has been aware of my break up situation and knows that the SO is moving out (SO has already but I was buying time). We were out recently and she actually wanted to go by a place where one of her friends works for a drink.. we went but she was not there.. so she really does not seem to have a stigma about our age difference.. even though I am salt n pepper I am in good physical condition so that helps I guess.. we will see where it all goes!.. well we all know it will be an eventual ending.. but enjoy the time till then!

Good thoughts![/QUOTE]

I would NEVER pretend to know what was best to say or attempt to enter the mind of a woman. LOL. But yeah. I think that may happen in a positive way.

[QUOTE=Bowtie;2802470]After about 1. 5 years with my number 1, I opened up. Over dinner had a nice discussion about trust and connection, honesty, feeling bad. Anyway, told her all, first, last, location, all. Things still going strong over 2 years now. Closer. She does bring it up though, in fun, but not forgotten! You have been with her long enough to know what approach to use.[/QUOTE]

LM, clear some space in your mailbox, ill share a bit with ya. Won't on the open forum, wouldn't want my babies connecting to my handle or my game!

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2802680]I would NEVER pretend to know what was best to say or attempt to enter the mind of a woman. LOL. But yeah. I think that may happen in a positive way.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2802069]So I'm 58 and been taking Cialis at 10 mg a couple of years in advance of my dates. I need it to get rock hard only as getting an erection is no problem. Works fine but my latest SB is into very extended foreplay for upwards of an hour. Here lately by the time she is finally ready for me to put it in, my little guy has lost his edge and the last time despite her sucking on it, it never got hard enough for me to do it. I ended up cumming in her mouth and it didn't really get hard until about 10 seconds before I shot my load.

I'm guessing at some point a blood engorged penis needs a rest. Anyone else have problems with keeping it hard for a long time when taking ED pills? A few hours later and into the next day, no problem getting hard erections.[/QUOTE]You might try taking some the night before to allow it to get into your system. And the some again before your date. Also, exercise the day of the date may help.

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2802680]I would NEVER pretend to know what was best to say or attempt to enter the mind of a woman. LOL. But yeah. I think that may happen in a positive way.[/QUOTE]All I can say is do your risk assessment and do it objectively and fairly as if detached from the situation. If you have done that and perceive zero risk, then fine. If you don't or mess up the risk assessment you might find some "experiential learning. " I don't think ALL of the world is as open & free and carefree as OP opine. I'm just sayin'.

Good luck!

Had a quick first visit with a college freshman yesterday 18/ blk. Really hot tiny petite body for m&g cost 100. Set a meeting for full date today, so I thought!! For 300, but texts me today just before the meet and tells me she wants to have simple Fun Time!! Hell no!! Got burned running around spending money hoping to get some previously. Done with that crap, may be some potential there but not taking any chances.

My question to you all is there are so many young ones out there thinking that there are men on SA looking for some arm candy or looking to have a young girl to make them feel better, and spend thousands of dollars on them not getting intimate times, what the F*.

Any thoughts on that.

Any brothers on here who are fishing in the Chicago pool who would like to connect and share the brotherhood please PM me.

Peace,

Scott.

Absolutely an assessment needs to be completed, that was assumed. My comment on him knowing her well enough to tell her was related to how to tell her. Every one of them have different feelings, different ways to connect. That's critical and how you would break something like that. All along she thought she had trust, and you spring a new name on her, that can put her into a spin. So how you approach and talk through that depends on each girl's personality. Part of the game.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2803658]All I can say is do your risk assessment and do it objectively and fairly as if detached from the situation. If you have done that and perceive zero risk, then fine. If you don't or mess up the risk assessment you might find some "experiential learning. " I don't think ALL of the world is as open & free and carefree as OP opine. I'm just sayin'.

Good luck![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=S2568;2804042]Had a quick first visit with a college freshman yesterday 18/ blk. Really hot tiny petite body for m&g cost 100. Set a meeting for full date today, so I thought!! For 300, but texts me today just before the meet and tells me she wants to have simple Fun Time!! Hell no!! Got burned running around spending money hoping to get some previously. Done with that crap, may be some potential there but not taking any chances.

My question to you all is there are so many young ones out there thinking that there are men on SA looking for some arm candy or looking to have a young girl to make them feel better, and spend thousands of dollars on them not getting intimate times, what the F*.

Any thoughts on that.[/QUOTE]First of all you never every pay for a M & G.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2804756]First of all you never every pay for a M & G.[/QUOTE]Not paying for M&G, I have done that before who went straight for F* sessions was great all those negotiations were done with texts or e mails. But few of the younger ones that I am dealing with all send you a message back that they are not looking for any intimate relations, in my humble effort to see if I can swing them a bit I am trying to take a chance. I did have success before a few times.

Another matter, got in touch with my ATF, asked for a meet with the usual, asked for a one grand. Since she has lost her regular job she is became more pricey! Had to let her go. Disparately searching for some new talent. Still has some old contacts can use them when I need. But I always go for new ones, all the excitement and high I get from a new prospect keeps me on the toes.

Good Hunting!

[QUOTE=S2568;2804042]Had a quick first visit with a college freshman yesterday 18/ blk. Really hot tiny petite body for m&g cost 100. Set a meeting for full date today, so I thought!! For 300, but texts me today just before the meet and tells me she wants to have simple Fun Time!! Hell no!! Got burned running around spending money hoping to get some previously. Done with that crap, may be some potential there but not taking any chances.

My question to you all is there are so many young ones out there thinking that there are men on SA looking for some arm candy or looking to have a young girl to make them feel better, and spend thousands of dollars on them not getting intimate times, what the F*.

Any thoughts on that.[/QUOTE]I echo Mike, N-E-V-E-R pay for a M&G. Expenses are an exception if she needs to Uber over or drive 60 miles, such as Urban high dollar areas like NYC. I don't Sugar in an area that is costly to get around though.

You have to have a thick skin and realize that many girls are looking to work the system. Just NEXT her if she is not down for the FC. This is not Match or Christian Mingle.

Unfortunately, I think there are probably too many inexperienced guys who will pay. This Pot for example, got you to pay for the M&G,so now she thinks she can just do it again with other guys. That is what WYP is designed for. Pay for a date. It beats me why any guy would do that. Be part of the solution by never paying for a m&G again.

In my early days I did agree a couple of times to pay to meet. Baaaaad idea. Way sets up a precedent and they know you are a target. With that said if you meet under the assumption that there is no pay to just meet and you have a good connect I have handed them a little surprise envelope and just say I enjoyed meeting you and hope to meet again. Does not have to be much. Maybe a $50 gift card or similar. Keep in mind most of my sbs have not been from sites but hand picked.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2805096]I echo Mike, N-E-V-E-R pay for a M&G. Expenses are an exception if she needs to Uber over or drive 60 miles, such as Urban high dollar areas like NYC. I don't Sugar in an area that is costly to get around though.

You have to have a thick skin and realize that many girls are looking to work the system. Just NEXT her if she is not down for the FC. This is not Match or Christian Mingle.

Unfortunately, I think there are probably too many inexperienced guys who will pay. This Pot for example, got you to pay for the M&G,so now she thinks she can just do it again with other guys. That is what WYP is designed for. Pay for a date. It beats me why any guy would do that. Be part of the solution by never paying for a m&G again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=S2568;2805039]Not paying for M&G, I have done that before who went straight for F* sessions was great all those negotiations were done with texts or e mails. But few of the younger ones that I am dealing with all send you a message back that they are not looking for any intimate relations, in my humble effort to see if I can swing them a bit I am trying to take a chance. I did have success before a few times.

Another matter, got in touch with my ATF, asked for a meet with the usual, asked for a one grand. Since she has lost her regular job she is became more pricey! Had to let her go. Disparately searching for some new talent. Still has some old contacts can use them when I need. But I always go for new ones, all the excitement and high I get from a new prospect keeps me on the toes.

Good Hunting![/QUOTE]Sorry, misunderstood your post.

[QUOTE=Larry1023;2794099]I contatced her she asks for 3500 $ amonth for one time a week meeting. Is that normal for a SB for overpriced.

[URL]http://richmond.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/here-i-am-what-were-your-other-two-wishes/17321733[/URL][/QUOTE]I contacted her too, her story now is she has $3500 in expenses per month and how much could I help out with that. I usually try to stay in the 200 to 250 range, but I went higher for her, pretty hot, told her 350 per, never heard back. Haha! She is delusional.

I am curious if anyone is doing this while married. Does an SB pose a much bigger risk than say a straight up escort, "massage" therapist etc. To your private life or are they all one-in-the-same (with obvious built-in-risk)? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Peer92;2809696]I am curious if anyone is doing this while married. Does an SB pose a much bigger risk than say a straight up escort, "massage" therapist etc. To your private life or are they all one-in-the-same (with obvious built-in-risk)? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I'd say the AVERAGE SB poses a bigger threat to a relationship than a pro since they are more likely to become attached and therefore more likely to react in an unstable manner when you don't' give them what they want (time, feelings).

But that is on AVERAGE, and no one is average. The trick is screening for mental stability (possibly at the expense of wild fuck skills / nymphomaniacal appetite for your cock) up front. One way to is to find an SB who has as much to lose as you do (law school student, beauty pageant contestants, Capitol HIll / political workers). Another is to find out if they have dated married men before, or ask if doing so is an issue for them and talk about why not and your motivations.

Can't say I've never done that on accident, when a cover has a problem, however I have never done that intentionally. My thing is to do nothing to hurt the young ladies life or future, just to help them. Well, there is a little selfishness there I guess, I need to be happy too! But yeah, there has been several occasions where the cover blew out or had problems, and I needed to batten down the hatches for a while.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2809424]I'm always curious about some of the war stories out there.
Some we regret doing.
Some we loved doing... and we think we are going to hell because of it.

OK. Here is one to get started.

I'm going to hell, because.
I hooked up with a high school girl last year and came inside her.
In my defense, I did check her ID and she is 18+.[/QUOTE]

I agree with Archer, the sugar baby Relationship is generally more risky. I think some guys on here look at these relationships a little different. I look for a connection, true feelings. When you find that, sometimes it can be difficult. Fortunately I live far enough away from where I play that it's okay. I have dabbled very close to home, and it gets a little nerve wracking! I went into a restaurant one evening with the wife and child, knowing a former sugar baby worked there still. Needless to say, I was a bit nervous! Thankfully she wasn't working that evening, so it worked out.

Escorts or some of the other providers are much less risky in regard to that as Charlie Sheen said you pay them to leave! But again, it's all in what you are looking for. I've been married for over 30 years, been playing this game for 4 or 5 years now. And frankly there is no way I would turn back. The sight, feel, taste of a beautiful 20 year old is tough to let go of!

[QUOTE=Peer92;2809696]I am curious if anyone is doing this while married. Does an SB pose a much bigger risk than say a straight up escort, "massage" therapist etc. To your private life or are they all one-in-the-same (with obvious built-in-risk)? Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bowtie;2809965] it gets a little nerve wracking! I went into a restaurant one evening with the wife and child, knowing a former sugar baby worked there still. Needless to say, I was a bit nervous! Thankfully she wasn't working that evening, so it worked out.
[/QUOTE]Had an M&G and car BBBJ with an SB this week, knowing that she is the hostess / manager of a restaurant we go to for brunch once a month. Need to figure out how to work that one out of the rotation since I know she works Sundays for sure (when I put 2 and 2 together, I recognized her from a prior visit -- saw her at the hostess stand and thought "a little thick, but pretty, and that tongue stud must be awesome for sucking cock" I was right!

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2810066]Had an M&G and car BBBJ with an SB this week, knowing that she is the hostess / manager of a restaurant we go to for brunch once a month. Need to figure out how to work that one out of the rotation since I know she works Sundays for sure (when I put 2 and 2 together, I recognized her from a prior visit -- saw her at the hostess stand and thought "a little thick, but pretty, and that tongue stud must be awesome for sucking cock" I was right![/QUOTE]May I ask where she works since she is a former? Descrip?

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2809424]I'm always curious about some of the war stories out there.
Some we regret doing.
Some we loved doing... and we think we are going to hell because of it.

OK. Here is one to get started.

I'm going to hell, because.
I hooked up with a high school girl last year and came inside her.
In my defense, I did check her ID and she is 18+.[/QUOTE]I'm IN heaven BECAUSE I creamed an 18 yr old. Most energetic pussy I've ever had.

I cream pie them all.

SBs are an emotional risk, but escorts are a larger legal and healthcare risk. Besides, I no longer want to screw a girl who has done 8 other guys that day.

I have read through months of posts and I have been reading other threads from other areas for years. After reading this thread I thought I would help us out (and the ladies that follow this) so we could better define what a PRO is. No statistics were used:

3 or more items makes them a Professional SB?

5 or more and probably a typical escort, maybe high volume, although they may not advertise on escort sites.

-Advertise on any escort site or working for an agency trumps all!

-Always advertising / searching for as many SD as they can get on a SB / SD site.

-Work other avenues to find SD or paying customer (Tender, dating sites, bars, bartending, waitressing, hustle this or that).

-Work other geographical areas with any of the above options.

-Unless in college, 50% or higher of annual income comes from these activities.

-Respond to any man with little interest in who he is, weight, size, or looks.

-Doesn't make amateur mistakes with identity (pics, name, email, phone #, Facebook, etc).

-Keeps an expensive appearance (clothes, bags, cars, jewelry) well beyond what peers in their vanilla job can afford.

-Doesn't hold a vanilla job.

-Has little desire to personally better themselves by getting better paying legal jobs (like the rest of us have to do).

-Know what the phrase "rinse a guy" means.

-Read this site (to gain leverage on us) in addition to posts on tumbl ((r)) to learn how other girls make SB money, to learn additional tricks to rinse, rip a guy off, or inflate their value, and by attempting to make us guys compete against one another (by talking about what someone else paid them, did, etc).

I finally figured I would contribute a little. Typically everything is already answered! What did I miss? Be safe!

I've seen several explanations over the years, but I must say, this one is pretty good! Good job! I've mentioned how all of us look at the SD / SB relationship differently, or have different goals. I've run into a lot of girls that meet one or several or your pro points, they tried to sell themselves as a SB. Not that I didn't still knock the bottom out of them, but I wouldn't classify them as a SB, or say they met my needs in that respect. Boils down to the emotional connection, and honesty. Can't stand the girls that fib or lie. I'll call them on it once, do it again, move them out the door. Next.

Meeting a 23 yo young lady this evening for dinner, see if she deserves to be in the rotation. I've got a feeling, maybe 50% that she is a pro based on pics. Talking and story line up though. Wish me luck.

[QUOTE=NotBob2014;2810764]I have read through months of posts and I have been reading other threads from other areas for years. After reading this thread I thought I would help us out (and the ladies that follow this) so we could better define what a PRO is. No statistics were used:

3 or more items makes them a Professional SB?

5 or more and probably a typical escort, maybe high volume, although they may not advertise on escort sites.

-Advertise on any escort site or working for an agency trumps all!

-Always advertising / searching for as many SD as they can get on a SB / SD site.

-Work other avenues to find SD or paying customer (Tender, dating sites, bars, bartending, waitressing, hustle this or that).

-Work other geographical areas with any of the above options.

-Unless in college, 50% or higher of annual income comes from these activities.

-Respond to any man with little interest in who he is, weight, size, or looks.

-Doesn't make amateur mistakes with identity (pics, name, email, phone #, Facebook, etc).

-Keeps an expensive appearance (clothes, bags, cars, jewelry) well beyond what peers in their vanilla job can afford.

-Doesn't hold a vanilla job.

-Has little desire to personally better themselves by getting better paying legal jobs (like the rest of us have to do).

-Know what the phrase "rinse a guy" means.

-Read this site (to gain leverage on us) in addition to posts on tumbl ((r)) to learn how other girls make SB money, to learn additional tricks to rinse, rip a guy off, or inflate their value, and by attempting to make us guys compete against one another (by talking about what someone else paid them, did, etc).

I finally figured I would contribute a little. Typically everything is already answered! What did I miss? Be safe![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NotBob2014;2810764]I have read through months of posts and I have been reading other threads from other areas for years. After reading this thread I thought I would help us out (and the ladies that follow this) so we could better define what a PRO is. No statistics were used:

3 or more items makes them a Professional SB?

5 or more and probably a typical escort, maybe high volume, although they may not advertise on escort sites.

[/QUOTE]I would divide them into Hard and soft indicators;.

1 or more Hard =hooker (most of your list).

3+ soft =Pro SB.

- more than 1 SD.

- rinser knowlege.

- no job or degree track in college, to name a few.

I view a real SB as a pure amateur and highly value the naive, one at a time girl. Once they are playing more than one it is a career and subjects the SD to a much higher level of risk. I don't even like for my SB to have a BF or SO since that introduces a level of drama. I demand a clean pussy and don't want other guys' DNA on my playground. But that's just me. I realize a lot of SDs do not care.

I pick SBs who are too busy with work, career, school or children to hassle with or need a BF. Many have been burned by a derelict SO or BF and are disgusted by worthless men in general. All need money but I avoid the ones who have no source of income. These are the Nando 1 types who will do what they have to do to get money. I catch them in the transition which usually lasts 4 to 6 months. I ask that they tell me if they acquire a new sex partner and call it quits. They can and do lie, but the signs are always there. One SB I really cared about let me spend the night at her place. I noticed guy piss stains all over the toilet after a few months and knew that I wasn't the only cat in the sandbox. . Sayonara baby.

[QUOTE=S2568;2804042]Had a quick first visit with a college freshman yesterday 18/ blk. Really hot tiny petite body for m&g cost 100. Set a meeting for full date today, so I thought!! For 300, but texts me today just before the meet and tells me she wants to have simple Fun Time!! Hell no!! Got burned running around spending money hoping to get some previously. Done with that crap, may be some potential there but not taking any chances.

My question to you all is there are so many young ones out there thinking that there are men on SA looking for some arm candy or looking to have a young girl to make them feel better, and spend thousands of dollars on them not getting intimate times, what the F*.

Any thoughts on that.[/QUOTE]Was it RVABABY or baby_Claire? Both asked me for upfront for M&G. I said no but was considering.

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;2811734]Was it RVABABY or baby_Claire? Both asked me for upfront for M&G. I said no but was considering.[/QUOTE]The advice on here was priceless. Don't pay for m&g. Ellabun tried that and I moved on. She stated everyone pays her for the m&g. To bad, she could have ended up with a SD who wants to stick with one SB, really helps her out, and one SB reduces my risk except it is easier to end up with no plans! I hold no judgement for you that have multiple SB, etc! I have a character flaw and to many would stress me out!

My assessment of SA after several months:

I am entirely h&w proportional for my age. Sometimes I am found attractive so know you know where I am starting from. I can't give details because some SB (often Pro) read this site.

Everyone in college 18-24 is largely a waste of time. While I get plenty of responses, few go to m&g. Buy yourself a drink if you pull this off monthly!

College SB is hard to pin down, often ignore response, go dark occasionally, and think very near term (last minute).

A pro responds to your email, meets, and is readily available. Or the SB is desperate and you are lucky!

Lots of interest, 30-40 responses but only a few went to m&g.

There are a few that when they find one SD they instantly hide or remove their SA profile. Under the Radar and a good find! I missed out on one as I couldn't get my schedule to align and she was gone.

I turned down anyone who required payment for just a m&g.

A Pot will disappear quickly after initial response or stop responding on any given day. College girls are notorious for this. But, just expect it, be nice, and sometimes it works out when you try month (s) later.

My SO watches my phone like a hawk and has been known to go through call, message and browser history (thank god for incognito mode).

Burner phone is an option, but one more expense to hide as well as the device itself.

Comcast Xfinity has a great solution -- assuming your SO does not know how to log on to the administrator account (mine has no clue it exists).

1) You can add many additional email addresses / usernames to your main account.

2) you can add additional phone numbers to the account and associate them to the email address / user name.

3) You can use that phone number for texting and calls without having a land line.

The Xfinity app on your phone allows you to log in with secure password (after each session, I log out and log back in using my personal email address so snooping SO thinks I was checking my personal email -- we have a rule, no getting email directly on phone to avoid work distractions).

You can check email, send texts using your Xfinity only phone number and even make calls over that phone number using your smart phone! Best of all, call I'd just shows up as the number you are calling from no name or other I'd info and googling the number is useless unless you post it some where public,.

YOu can access email and text from any pc as well by logging into your account on the Comcast site (there is probably a way to make and receive calls on your number using a Bluetooth headset, but not there yet).

Anyone see any flaws?

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2812789]My SO watches my phone like a hawk and has been known to go through call, message and browser history (thank god for incognito mode).

Burner phone is an option, but one more expense to hide as well as the device itself.

Comcast Xfinity has a great solution -- assuming your SO does not know how to log on to the administrator account (mine has no clue it exists).

1) You can add many additional email addresses / usernames to your main account.

2) you can add additional phone numbers to the account and associate them to the email address / user name.

3) You can use that phone number for texting and calls without having a land line.

The Xfinity app on your phone allows you to log in with secure password (after each session, I log out and log back in using my personal email address so snooping SO thinks I was checking my personal email -- we have a rule, no getting email directly on phone to avoid work distractions).

You can check email, send texts using your Xfinity only phone number and even make calls over that phone number using your smart phone! Best of all, call I'd just shows up as the number you are calling from no name or other I'd info and googling the number is useless unless you post it some where public,.

YOu can access email and text from any pc as well by logging into your account on the Comcast site (there is probably a way to make and receive calls on your number using a Bluetooth headset, but not there yet).

Anyone see any flaws?[/QUOTE]Yeah, hidden in plain sight only works as long as SO remains ignorant. The day she wakes up....

I dunno, I'm not there, one has to judge for them self. It appears as she is suspicious and snooping already. How long can that last before a "friend" clues her in?

As far as a burner goes? Huh? Can you hide $30/ month in expense? One can buy a decent, but smaller LG Leon LTE (Android 5. 1. 1), Bluetooth 4. 1 from MetroPCS for $30 and get a $30/ mo plan with 1 G 4 GLTE and unlimited 3 G. Stop in store each month & had over cash, or buy phone cards at Wally World. Other idea is use GV and hide all of that on there. Better, layer both.