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[QUOTE=Getcha;4284544]Shit, I did this with a genuine GF and it was awful.

I don't know who this is directed at, but fold the cape up and put in the bottom drawer.[/QUOTE]Addicts can never be trusted. Perhaps they could have been a good person in the past, and most can play the part of a trustworthy friend, but putting any amount of trust in an addict is asking for trouble. Sure, a fraction of a percent can conquer their demons, but they are the exceptions.

I have first hand experience.

Best to just exchange time for roses with the vast vast vast majority of these girls. Don't believe a thing they say, never give a donation up front, and don't stick around after you've gotten what you wanted. Just my $0. 02.

[QUOTE=JaxTaco;4282887]Some of us develop a soft spot for certain girls and start thinking maybe we can change them and turn them into something they aren't. I've made the mistake before. More than once. It was an expensive lesson to learn. More than once.

I'm not going to call you out by name, but there is someone out there who needs to be reading this.

You've already tried to save one and that didn't work out for you very well. Now you are getting ready to do it again. Trust me, it's going to end up even worse this time. She's a nice girl and has some skills, but the baggage she brings to the table is going to be more than you can handle. Don't make the mistake of thinking that moving her to a different state is going to change things. If you go thru with it you are going to be in for a VERY rough ride. She is an addict and will be for the rest of her life. No amount of counselling, money, or attention is going to fix that. She is a friend of mine. I tried to help her many times, but just when things start looking up for her, she finds an excuse to crawl back into that hole and trust me she doesn't need much of an excuse. The slightest thing will send her spiraling downward. The idea of having a live-in sex toy may be appealing right now, but you will soon learn that we aren't paying these chicks for the deed, we pay them to leave after they are done. Then again maybe you are a die hard fan and want a Wildcat of your own?

I'm not sure if you still peruse this forum since you moved, hopefully you do.[/QUOTE]Why would anyone want to put up with the headache? 30 minutes with most of them is enough to never want to see them again. Could never imagine anyone would want one to actually move in?

[QUOTE=SteveJones1969;4284871]Hey Andi,

Your under arrest. Now just let me put these handcuffs on you.[/QUOTE]Fur-covered handcuffs?

So true you speak the truth here. Fellow Mongers really need to read this closely and take note. It will save you a lot of time and money.

Bottom line its all about the drugs. Even if they end up in jail they come out and start all over again. I know there are a few out there who straightened up but majority don't.

[QUOTE=JaxTaco;4282887]Some of us develop a soft spot for certain girls and start thinking maybe we can change them and turn them into something they aren't. I've made the mistake before. More than once. It was an expensive lesson to learn. More than once.

I'm not going to call you out by name, but there is someone out there who needs to be reading this.

You've already tried to save one and that didn't work out for you very well. Now you are getting ready to do it again. Trust me, it's going to end up even worse this time. She's a nice girl and has some skills, but the baggage she brings to the table is going to be more than you can handle. Don't make the mistake of thinking that moving her to a different state is going to change things. If you go thru with it you are going to be in for a VERY rough ride. She is an addict and will be for the rest of her life. No amount of counselling, money, or attention is going to fix that. She is a friend of mine. I tried to help her many times, but just when things start looking up for her, she finds an excuse to crawl back into that hole and trust me she doesn't need much of an excuse. The slightest thing will send her spiraling downward. The idea of having a live-in sex toy may be appealing right now, but you will soon learn that we aren't paying these chicks for the deed, we pay them to leave after they are done. Then again maybe you are a die hard fan and want a Wildcat of your own?

I'm not sure if you still peruse this forum since you moved, hopefully you do.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SteveJones1969;4284871]Hey Andi,

Your under arrest. Now just let me put these handcuffs on you.[/QUOTE]Lmao, damn it! You really get me! Xoxo.

[QUOTE=OnFire2864;4285666]So true you speak the truth here. Fellow Mongers really need to read this closely and take note. It will save you a lot of time and money.

Bottom line its all about the drugs. Even if they end up in jail they come out and start all over again. I know there are a few out there who straightened up but majority don't.[/QUOTE]Very, Very true. And there is so much underlying that triggers the use. The deeper you dig the hotter the mess. The molten lava you don't want to see. 90% will stay in some sort of mess because of the damage done. They have to save themselves. Few do or the system kicks them right back out. Addiction is said to be genetic. Its not. Regardless of the papers framed in a storage unit I have that says I should say different. Education vs reality teaches you the truth. They will seek an outlet to get right back into it. Unless you put them on a private island with you and pray they can't swim, they go right back. If they sober up, be prepared to deal with the layers of issues that are about to destroy your assumption of what you thought they would be.

The reason you can't save them is because they don't want to be saved, especially by you.

You don't think she's heard all the same shit that you're saying a million times now since she was little? Do you really believe that your message may be more accepted because you show true caring? LMAO. Two points seem to be lost on guys who hold these beliefs.

First, she doesn't necessarily value the same things that you do and really doesn't want to hear the same shit one more time. To the extent that she tolerates your blathering and other "saving" efforts, it is because she is collecting $$$ or other benefits from you. At best you are making her life more difficult with your behavior and, at worst, you're doing that while also enabling her continued downward spiral by feeding her even more cash.

Second, even if she was finally ready to hear it, she wouldn't want to hear it from you. She will never view you as a voice of moral authority if you are trying to fuck her, but rather just one more guy trying to use her for something. There is no such thing as the noble pervert. Either you're the guy truly trying to help her or the guy paying her for sex - you don't get to be both.

So accept what you are and what she is and take it for what it is. Or, if you really care more about saving some chick than getting laid, then stop paying them for sex and join a drug addict outreach program instead. Because saying that you want to save them while further feeding their drug habits with fast cash is a ridiculous form of hypocrisy.

[QUOTE=JaxTaco;4282887]Some of us develop a soft spot for certain girls and start thinking maybe we can change them and turn them into something they aren't. I've made the mistake before. More than once. It was an expensive lesson to learn. More than once.

I'm not going to call you out by name, but there is someone out there who needs to be reading this.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RickDugan;4286331]The reason you can't save them is because they don't want to be saved, especially by you.

You don't think she's heard all the same shit that you're saying a million times now since she was little? Do you really believe that your message may be more accepted because you show true caring? LMAO. Two points seem to be lost on guys who hold these beliefs.

First, she doesn't necessarily value the same things that you do and really doesn't want to hear the same shit one more time. To the extent that she tolerates your blathering and other "saving" efforts, it is because she is collecting $$$ or other benefits from you. At best you are making her life more difficult with your behavior and, at worst, you're doing that while also enabling her continued downward spiral by feeding her even more cash.

Second, even if she was finally ready to hear it, she wouldn't want to hear it from you. She will never view you as a voice of moral authority if you are trying to fuck her, but rather just one more guy trying to use her for something. There is no such thing as the noble pervert. Either you're the guy truly trying to help her or the guy paying her for sex - you don't get to be both.

So accept what you are and what she is and take it for what it is. Or, if you really care more about saving some chick than getting laid, then stop paying them for sex and join a drug addict outreach program instead. Because saying that you want to save them while further feeding their drug habits with fast cash is a ridiculous form of hypocrisy.[/QUOTE]Very well said.

Never tried to "save" her, but did develop some feels for one of the girls. She was an absolute mess when I first met her, but we clicked. FF a few years and I thought she had cleaned up her act.

Unfortunately, she was just hiding it well, and was one of those who left us sometime in the past couple years.

[QUOTE=RickDugan;4286331]The reason you can't save them is because they don't want to be saved, especially by you.

You don't think she's heard all the same shit that you're saying a million times now since she was little? Do you really believe that your message may be more accepted because you show true caring? LMAO. Two points seem to be lost on guys who hold these beliefs.

First, she doesn't necessarily value the same things that you do and really doesn't want to hear the same shit one more time. To the extent that she tolerates your blathering and other "saving" efforts, it is because she is collecting $$$ or other benefits from you. At best you are making her life more difficult with your behavior and, at worst, you're doing that while also enabling her continued downward spiral by feeding her even more cash.

Second, even if she was finally ready to hear it, she wouldn't want to hear it from you. She will never view you as a voice of moral authority if you are trying to fuck her, but rather just one more guy trying to use her for something. There is no such thing as the noble pervert. Either you're the guy truly trying to help her or the guy paying her for sex - you don't get to be both.

So accept what you are and what she is and take it for what it is. Or, if you really care more about saving some chick than getting laid, then stop paying them for sex and join a drug addict outreach program instead. Because saying that you want to save them while further feeding their drug habits with fast cash is a ridiculous form of hypocrisy.[/QUOTE]

Hypocrisy at its best. So who is it that's being saved?

[QUOTE=RickDugan;4286331]The reason you can't save them is because they don't want to be saved, especially by you.

You don't think she's heard all the same shit that you're saying a million times now since she was little? Do you really believe that your message may be more accepted because you show true caring? LMAO. Two points seem to be lost on guys who hold these beliefs.

First, she doesn't necessarily value the same things that you do and really doesn't want to hear the same shit one more time. To the extent that she tolerates your blathering and other "saving" efforts, it is because she is collecting $$$ or other benefits from you. At best you are making her life more difficult with your behavior and, at worst, you're doing that while also enabling her continued downward spiral by feeding her even more cash.

Second, even if she was finally ready to hear it, she wouldn't want to hear it from you. She will never view you as a voice of moral authority if you are trying to fuck her, but rather just one more guy trying to use her for something. There is no such thing as the noble pervert. Either you're the guy truly trying to help her or the guy paying her for sex - you don't get to be both.

So accept what you are and what she is and take it for what it is. Or, if you really care more about saving some chick than getting laid, then stop paying them for sex and join a drug addict outreach program instead. Because saying that you want to save them while further feeding their drug habits with fast cash is a ridiculous form of hypocrisy.[/QUOTE]

Tried to PM but box was full. Just wanted to thank you for info. Worked well and now at plan to be a regular. A real sweetheart.

[QUOTE=DonMagicJuan;4287071]Tried to PM but box was full. Just wanted to thank you for info. Worked well and now at plan to be a regular. A real sweetheart.[/QUOTE]Was this the preggo friend he was recruiting to help her out?

[QUOTE=JaxTaco;4284130]But the tattoo that distinguishes this one is not a tribal tatt. So no. Different girl.[/QUOTE]You sound new. I used to think and hope the same way you did, but found out the hard way that most of them do dissapear permanently, by either the family / LEO / program route, or some kind of permanent sugar daddy and its always the decent / tolerable ones. None of them are good. Only about 3 or 4 make it a career, and its always the bad ones.

[QUOTE=DonMagicJuan;4287071]Tried to PM but box was full. Just wanted to thank you for info. Worked well and now at plan to be a regular. A real sweetheart.[/QUOTE]No problem. Glad I could lend a helping hand for her. She is definitely a sweetheart.

[QUOTE=JimmyDeen;4287969]You sound new. I used to think and hope the same way you did, but found out the hard way that most of them do dissapear permanently, by either the family / LEO / program route, or some kind of permanent sugar daddy and its always the decent / tolerable ones. None of them are good. Only about 3 or 4 make it a career, and its always the bad ones.[/QUOTE]Far from it. I've been around this hobby for close to 30 years. I've made the mistake of trying to save more than one of these girls. While I am not going to say it never happens. In my experience it RARELY works out. Do some of them get clean and out of the biz? Yes. But the person I am referring to is NOT going to be that person. Not at this point in her life. I know this beyond a shadow of doubt. She is out of the biz now (to the best of my knowledge) but that is only because she has managed to hook up with previous clients turned boyfriends who have supported her financially until they couldn't deal with her anymore. The person that post was for is teetering on the edge of becoming the next person to take her in and "save her. ".

Should he make that mistake here is what WILL happen. He will have a live in super freak for about 2-3 weeks. She will fuck him and suck him til he can't see straight. She will play housewife and cook and clean and things will be great. Then once he is comfortable and happy. Shit will start to turn. Her addiction will start to become apparent. A little over indulgence one night, that leads to issues. Then that will become a 2-3 time a week problem. Then it will become a daily problem. The sex will start to dry up. Soon he will be trying to figure out how to get her out of the house. She'll straighten up a bit to drag out the inevitable, but it IS inevitable.