Strip Club Reports

[QUOTE=MayorQuimby;5783996]So, the locals paid a visit to Louie's this week. It seems that county was involved. Apparently they made them close down. I do not know the details. Anyone else hear anything? A friend did tell me they did not open today.[/QUOTE]I just saw a Facebook post this morning that said they've decided to close for good and the bar will be up for sale. Didn't know it's been open for 20 years, what a good run. Hopefully, if a new owner is found, it can reopen in some fashion, but it also wouldn't surprise me if Melrose Park flexes its muscle and the spot becomes something else besides a bar.

[QUOTE=MayorQuimby;5783996]So, the locals paid a visit to Louie's this week. It seems that county was involved. Apparently they made them close down. I do not know the details. Anyone else hear anything? A friend did tell me they did not open today.[/QUOTE]Yep. They got busted for having an underage girl working there. She was 16 or 17 I think. They are finished now. Bar is up for sale. I doubt Melrose will let whoever buys it continue the fashion show but we will see. It's not exactly a prime location being next to a trailer court. What's funny is Playpen closed down and it became a Mexican seafood restaurant. They redid the entire place. Every time I drive buy it is completely empty. Hopefully Louies stays a bar with dancers. 1.

[QUOTE=OPIllini;5788140]I just saw a Facebook post this morning that said they've decided to close for good and the bar will be up for sale. Didn't know it's been open for 20 years, what a good run. Hopefully, if a new owner is found, it can reopen in some fashion, but it also wouldn't surprise me if Melrose Park flexes its muscle and the spot becomes something else besides a bar.[/QUOTE]What a shame, I just started going back to Louie's. Was there about a week ago and everything seemed above board. It's hard to believe with all the nonsense going on, they would let a minor work there and get caught.

[QUOTE=SouthSideRed;5788812]What a shame, I just started going back to Louie's. Was there about a week ago and everything seemed above board. It's hard to believe with all the nonsense going on, they would let a minor work there and get caught.[/QUOTE]


Let's all hop in the Wayback Machine to the incident at J's a a year & a half ago, the village banned dancers entirely from the non "entertainment" bars in Melrose. The village board established an ordinance that kept Louie's from having dancers & that did not change. Louie's was trying to figure a way around this ordinance, the girls were in street clothes etc. So as far as ever reopening & being "allowed" to have dancers or fashion shows, why would a new owner be allowed to do that when Louie's was not after being established in business for 2 decades?

As far as the locals go they seemed to be looking the other way as long as there were no complaints nor incidents & they kept a low profile. Taking that in to consideration, it's hard to believe that Louie or anyone else would take the risk of not checking ID's. I checked with the people I know that are in the local loop today & no one knows anything of minors involved (although not impossible). If that was the case, the fact that county was involved would mean Louie & any of the bartenders would have been arrested & facing very serious charges. It probably would have at least made the papers. Having dancers against a village ordinance that may have been doing more than dancing (if that was a factor), is enough for some fines & losing ones liquor license. Allowing minors to work in that environment is a route to serious time. I certainly hope that was not the case. Whatever happened, it is a shame & I will miss Louie's. Been a customer there since they first began having dancers.

I'm going to miss Louie's a lot. I was there just last month for my birthday and had a great time. I enjoyed the friendly and laid-back environment Louie's had.

Now all that's left of the Mannheim area bars is Carl's, and I'm honestly not a fan of that place. I suppose Scores and Gold Club are other options, but those places strike me as stuffy, arrogant, and extremely overpriced.

[QUOTE=OPIllini;5789444]I'm going to miss Louie's a lot. I was there just last month for my birthday and had a great time. I enjoyed the friendly and laid-back environment Louie's had.

Now all that's left of the Mannheim area bars is Carl's, and I'm honestly not a fan of that place. I suppose Scores and Gold Club are other options, but those places strike me as stuffy, arrogant, and extremely overpriced.[/QUOTE]What exactly goes on at Bobby's these days? Last time I was there I got hustled for a couple of backrubs by a reasonably nice woman; then I saw posts here about the infamous Dana. What is there now? I'm assuming basically a couple of girls doing backrubs and hustling drinks; has anything there loosened up at all? I'm good with All-Stars as a replacement for Stone / Melrose but it's tough enough to get their dances to go from a PG to a PG-13.

[QUOTE=NiceChicaGaGuy;5791013]What exactly goes on at Bobby's these days? Last time I was there I got hustled for a couple of backrubs by a reasonably nice woman; then I saw posts here about the infamous Dana. What is there now? I'm assuming basically a couple of girls doing backrubs and hustling drinks; has anything there loosened up at all? I'm good with All-Stars as a replacement for Stone / Melrose but it's tough enough to get their dances to go from a PG to a PG-13.[/QUOTE]

So, I stopped into Bobby's over the weekend. Apparently the locals stopped in to bust them the same day as they did Louie's. Things had just started to loosen up there over the past couple weeks depending on what bartender & what girls showed up. There was no one dancing at the time they stopped in, everyone just sitting at the bar. Between that scare & Louie's getting shut down for good, they don't want to risk the same fate since the village has decided to strictly enforce the dancer ban put in place after the J's fiasco. They are actually telling most of the girls to not even come in.

At this point, all has come to a halt. Bobby's seems to be doing quite well as a non lingerie bar. If you go in Thurs through Sat, they have a good crowd. As much as I hate to say it. The Mannheim strip is not what it used to be (with the exception of Carls). Maybe down the road things might change, but that's what everyone said about Rockford, Belvidere (my particular favorite), Cicero, & parts of NW Indiana. These are all places that were a lot of fun, I have enjoyed myself at places in all of those areas as well, but none have returned to their heyday. I'm still in Denial over Belvidere & frequently check the boards hoping my ATF Terry will reappear but no such luck. I hate to say it, but it really looks like we have to accept that Bobby's is just a regular bar now. At this point the only hope may be that some of these girls find a spot to hang looking for takeout.

[QUOTE=MayorQuimby;5791616]So, I stopped into Bobby's over the weekend. Apparently the locals stopped in to bust them the same day as they did Louie's. Things had just started to loosen up there over the past couple weeks depending on what bartender & what girls showed up. There was no one dancing at the time they stopped in, everyone just sitting at the bar. Between that scare & Louie's getting shut down for good, they don't want to risk the same fate since the village has decided to strictly enforce the dancer ban put in place after the J's fiasco. They are actually telling most of the girls to not even come in.

At this point, all has come to a halt. Bobby's seems to be doing quite well as a non lingerie bar. If you go in Thurs through Sat, they have a good crowd. As much as I hate to say it. The Mannheim strip is not what it used to be (with the exception of Carls). Maybe down the road things might change, but that's what everyone said about Rockford, Belvidere (my particular favorite), Cicero, & parts of NW Indiana. These are all places that were a lot of fun, I have enjoyed myself at places in all of those areas as well, but none have returned to their heyday. I'm still in Denial over Belvidere & frequently check the boards hoping my ATF Terry will reappear but no such luck. I hate to say it, but it really looks like we have to accept that Bobby's is just a regular bar now. At this point the only hope may be that some of these girls find a spot to hang looking for takeout.[/QUOTE]Have not checked in recently because the melrose thread except for the 15th bookstore thread has been dead. I agree that if anything will be left to be had it will be just going in to one of the usual places and look around for possible takeout. All of the info on here is all spot on as I am up and down the street regularly. J's is supposed to open as a sport's bar, however still nothing. Also what was playpen now a mexican restaurant of sorts technically is open I don't see the traffic. I know the corner taco place right at the north west corner of heim and lake does do a brisk business. Did not know about louie's either. I can tell you the flea is going through major changes as code came in and they need to force the vendors inside to make costly changes or they are gone. Word is that the flea was sold, however I can not confirm this. I do believe that the village though has been on the war path to enforce codes. Stosh stay safe all.

[QUOTE=OPIllini;5789444]I'm going to miss Louie's a lot. I was there just last month for my birthday and had a great time. I enjoyed the friendly and laid-back environment Louie's had.

Now all that's left of the Mannheim area bars is Carl's, and I'm honestly not a fan of that place. I suppose Scores and Gold Club are other options, but those places strike me as stuffy, arrogant, and extremely overpriced.[/QUOTE]This sucks. I was in Louies a few weeks ago and it was great. Best action in a while and good atmosphere.

Carls was okay in Dec, Jan. The curvy Polish girls were fun but they're gone now.

[QUOTE=GetHintHere007;5795414]This sucks. I was in Louies a few weeks ago and it was great. Best action in a while and good atmosphere.

Carls was okay in Dec, Jan. The curvy Polish girls were fun but they're gone now.[/QUOTE]Since the local governments are closing all of these places down what is going to take their place? I mean I go by the former playpen and it's now a mexican restaurant. I never see any vehicles in their lot let alone people coming in or out of the place. Ditto j's. I thought the new sport's bar had not opened yet, however I was corrected by a knowledgeable member here. It's open. Just no customers! Or nothing imo like the parking lot of what j's looked like on a Friday afternoon. So what is next? Imo empty buildings. I know family type women in my area and they think the whole strip should be plowed down. Some say they won't even drive down the strip. It's really a Monday through Friday street for trucks. The weekends for the few grocery stores or quick in and out places. Where are the customers going to come from? Sure the local green labeled coffee drive up is always full, however I don't see the traffic at other places. There are enough empty lots or buildings decaying over there. So now with louie's, j's taken down what is going to take their place? How many gaming places does the place need? It's now not really a night time street because what was popular there has been all but removed! Typical politics imo. Let's cut off the small business man completely and see what happens! Over there? Nothing! Stosh stay safe all.

[QUOTE=StanleyStankas;5796662]Since the local governments are closing all of these places down what is going to take their place? I mean I go by the former playpen and it's now a mexican restaurant. I never see any vehicles in their lot let alone people coming in or out of the place. Ditto j's. I thought the new sport's bar had not opened yet, however I was corrected by a knowledgeable member here. It's open. Just no customers! Or nothing imo like the parking lot of what j's looked like on a Friday afternoon. So what is next? Imo empty buildings. I know family type women in my area and they think the whole strip should be plowed down. Some say they won't even drive down the strip. It's really a Monday through Friday street for trucks. The weekends for the few grocery stores or quick in and out places. Where are the customers going to come from? Sure the local green labeled coffee drive up is always full, however I don't see the traffic at other places. There are enough empty lots or buildings decaying over there. So now with louie's, j's taken down what is going to take their place? How many gaming places does the place need? It's now not really a night time street because what was popular there has been all but removed! Typical politics imo. Let's cut off the small business man completely and see what happens! Over there? Nothing! Stosh stay safe all.[/QUOTE]It's funny that you mention the empty businesses. I stated once before that on my trips to the local bars here, besides spending money at the bars I would stop at one of the diners for lunch and hit the some of the local stores. But now there is no real reason to go to Melrose.

[QUOTE=SouthSideRed;5797212]It's funny that you mention the empty businesses. I stated once before that on my trips to the local bars here, besides spending money at the bars I would stop at one of the diners for lunch and hit the some of the local stores. But now there is no real reason to go to Melrose.[/QUOTE]Like I say it's a truck street and really nothing on the weekends with few exceptions. The grocery store at armitage and heim on the east side does a brisk business, however that is food and not pickup food, liquor, gaming, girls! There is no attraction over there and maybe after j's they want suckers to open legit businesses only to realize it doesn't work. This is after they have paid all of their village fees and licenses of course. Again what attracted the outsider were the lingerie bars. And afterwards patrons would go get gas for their ride, grab some carry out and possibly put the rest of their mad money in the slots. Now what is the reason to come over here? It's not exactly a resort area or a place one would want to hang around in. Just my thoughts. Maybe that is the intention period and eventually the area will become all of those big logistics buildings with all of those semi garage (dock) doors since it's close to the airport. Really over here closer to the airport all of the former businesses with lots of land are going that route.

[QUOTE=StanleyStankas;5796662]Since the local governments are closing all of these places down what is going to take their place? I mean I go by the former playpen and it's now a mexican restaurant. I never see any vehicles in their lot let alone people coming in or out of the place. Ditto j's. I thought the new sport's bar had not opened yet, however I was corrected by a knowledgeable member here. It's open. Just no customers! Or nothing imo like the parking lot of what j's looked like on a Friday afternoon. So what is next? Imo empty buildings. I know family type women in my area and they think the whole strip should be plowed down. Some say they won't even drive down the strip. It's really a Monday through Friday street for trucks. The weekends for the few grocery stores or quick in and out places. Where are the customers going to come from? Sure the local green labeled coffee drive up is always full, however I don't see the traffic at other places. There are enough empty lots or buildings decaying over there. So now with louie's, j's taken down what is going to take their place? How many gaming places does the place need? It's now not really a night time street because what was popular there has been all but removed! Typical politics imo. Let's cut off the small business man completely and see what happens! Over there? Nothing! Stosh stay safe all.[/QUOTE]I here ya but are we really surprised? These places take a risk by being an open secret anyway. Their position is always precarious. It would be great if the town just gave them whatever strip club license they need but if they don’t have that one would expect the town to eventually enforce their laws.

[QUOTE=FitnessBuff200;5802519]I here ya but are we really surprised? These places take a risk by being an open secret anyway. Their position is always precarious. It would be great if the town just gave them whatever strip club license they need but if they dont have that one would expect the town to eventually enforce their laws.[/QUOTE]Most all of the heim strip is shady at best. J's killed it. I put an inquiry into the louie's situation as someone I come across on a regular basis is remotely related. If I find out anything specific I will report. The only thing I can confirm was already mentioned here in that my source said that louie knows what is what and would not fall for an underage situation. This was just his opinion. He also said that back in the day uncle louie was targeted by the boys. I was told they eliminated his garage, however of course louie walked away. Stosh. All I know fellas. Be safe.

Anyone know where any of the girls ended up? Looking for asian looking girl that worked Thursday day shift. Her name started with an a I beleive.

[QUOTE=TonySop2;5811459]Anyone know where any of the girls ended up? Looking for asian looking girl that worked Thursday day shift. Her name started with an a I beleive.[/QUOTE]Senior regulars that specifically know what's what with the local girls from the bar scene. If they recognize the handle one might get a pm. Personally all I can report is things are a changing down in melrose. Still waiting to here back from this relative of louie's to find out what actually happened. All I know. Stosh stay safe over here as dart's boys are everywhere along the strip in their clean little cruisers!

Was working a double and I usually go to Carls after, but went in around 2 am. Only 1 girl working and when I walked in the bouncer said she's leaving so just a couple couples drinking and sausage fest. Didn't want to go back to work to take a nap before shift so wanted to see some pu $$& and tried the gold club which is open til 5 am. Toftt, place is nice but valet is retarded since has parking everywhere, but whatever walk in said it's my first time and dude waived the door fee. Once in me and another couple dudes were the only ones in there. Talent wasn't bad but sat down and got approached by Jenna / Jessa didn't really care. She sat down told her it was my first time and she took me on the tour. Champagne rooms first, took me in the one where they lock the door and she said "anything" goes which yes my first time there but not at a club so curious I asked how much she said 1800 an hour I'm like yeah maybe with 4 other girls but nope. I played along we sat down and she straddled me and my hands were free to roam everywhere. Then declined to take it. She kept pushing charging my cc and I'm like no thank you the wife would not be happy LOL. Anyways showed me a smaller room with a door and again "anything" goes for 1000 again decline. Then she takes me in a room that's the size of a video booth at the adult stores with a curtain and said she'll do "anything" in here for 200 for 15 minutes. So I said fuck it put your mouth where the money is (reverse quote) long story short they bring you a bottle of rose Champagne which wasn't bad then she couldn't stop talking and talking I almost wanted to say do you ever shut up. Then finally the top comes off she starts dancing, unbuttons my pants and starts getting all touchy. Then I'm watching my watch last 5 minutes she's all into it now basically trying to get me to do more time and she licks her hand and starts stroking me. Before you know it the little waitress comes in and said times up would you like more time. I straight up say I wish you were on the menu LOL and she was like for 500 more I'm like no thank you time to go to work. Long story short great atmosphere nice looking latin and white chicks but wayyyyyyyyyy over priced. Adding back to my regular place carls I usually go in there for a latin spinner. Late night while working doubles or overnight, but take out is definitely on the menu once you get to know them. Thanks everyone.

[QUOTE=JvMoney;5818848]Was working a double and I usually go to Carls after, but went in around 2 am. Only 1 girl working and when I walked in the bouncer said she's leaving so just a couple couples drinking and sausage fest. Didn't want to go back to work to take a nap before shift so wanted to see some pu $$& and tried the gold club which is open til 5 am. Toftt, place is nice but valet is retarded since has parking everywhere, but whatever walk in said it's my first time and dude waived the door fee. Once in me and another couple dudes were the only ones in there. Talent wasn't bad but sat down and got approached by Jenna / Jessa didn't really care. She sat down told her it was my first time and she took me on the tour. Champagne rooms first, took me in the one where they lock the door and she said "anything" goes which yes my first time there but not at a club so curious I asked how much she said 1800 an hour I'm like yeah maybe with 4 other girls but nope. I played along we sat down and she straddled me and my hands were free to roam everywhere. Then declined to take it. She kept pushing charging my cc and I'm like no thank you the wife would not be happy LOL. Anyways showed me a smaller room with a door and again "anything" goes for 1000 again decline. Then she takes me in a room that's the size of a video booth at the adult stores with a curtain and said she'll do "anything" in here for 200 for 15 minutes. So I said fuck it put your mouth where the money is (reverse quote) long story short they bring you a bottle of rose Champagne which wasn't bad then she couldn't stop talking and talking I almost wanted to say do you ever shut up. Then finally the top comes off she starts dancing, unbuttons my pants and starts getting all touchy. Then I'm watching my watch last 5 minutes she's all into it now basically trying to get me to do more time and she licks her hand and starts stroking me. Before you know it the little waitress comes in and said times up would you like more time. I straight up say I wish you were on the menu LOL and she was like for 500 more I'm like no thank you time to go to work. Long story short great atmosphere nice looking latin and white chicks but wayyyyyyyyyy over priced. Adding back to my regular place carls I usually go in there for a latin spinner. Late night while working doubles or overnight, but take out is definitely on the menu once you get to know them. Thanks everyone.[/QUOTE]Info. Not so much the price, however you knew that nothing real was going to happen at least at the lower level pricing. So for the deuce fuck it, you got to feel up a hottie and some light work. I would call it entertainment, however I have been down this street and it can be a blue ball mother f**ker. Stosh. So gold room ok on the north side of lake east of heim next to scores. Been years for me even being in scores and yea they kinda get stupid over there as well with valet.

[QUOTE=JvMoney;5818848]Was working a double and I usually go to Carls after, but went in around 2 am. Only 1 girl working and when I walked in the bouncer said she's leaving so just a couple couples drinking and sausage fest. Didn't want to go back to work to take a nap before shift so wanted to see some pu $$& and tried the gold club which is open til 5 am. Toftt, place is nice but valet is retarded since has parking everywhere, but whatever walk in said it's my first time and dude waived the door fee. Once in me and another couple dudes were the only ones in there. Talent wasn't bad but sat down and got approached by Jenna / Jessa didn't really care. She sat down told her it was my first time and she took me on the tour. Champagne rooms first, took me in the one where they lock the door and she said "anything" goes which yes my first time there but not at a club so curious I asked how much she said 1800 an hour I'm like yeah maybe with 4 other girls but nope. I played along we sat down and she straddled me and my hands were free to roam everywhere. Then declined to take it. She kept pushing charging my cc and I'm like no thank you the wife would not be happy LOL. Anyways showed me a smaller room with a door and again "anything" goes for 1000 again decline. Then she takes me in a room that's the size of a video booth at the adult stores with a curtain and said she'll do "anything" in here for 200 for 15 minutes. So I said fuck it put your mouth where the money is (reverse quote) long story short they bring you a bottle of rose Champagne which wasn't bad then she couldn't stop talking and talking I almost wanted to say do you ever shut up. Then finally the top comes off she starts dancing, unbuttons my pants and starts getting all touchy. Then I'm watching my watch last 5 minutes she's all into it now basically trying to get me to do more time and she licks her hand and starts stroking me. Before you know it the little waitress comes in and said times up would you like more time. I straight up say I wish you were on the menu LOL and she was like for 500 more I'm like no thank you time to go to work. Long story short great atmosphere nice looking latin and white chicks but wayyyyyyyyyy over priced. Adding back to my regular place carls I usually go in there for a latin spinner. Late night while working doubles or overnight, but take out is definitely on the menu once you get to know them. Thanks everyone.[/QUOTE]Useful information!

I've always been amazed that without the Guide these places HAVE to rely on guys being suckered one time and who then won't be back. That's depending on and going through a lot of one time suckers.

What, just three years ago at Fantasy in Hammond you could take those two Franklins and BBFSCIP. Whoa is me.

Obviously not in the Melrose area but likely better to post here for visibility.

Stopped in Thursday around 6. Standard wand check and I'd scan. There were a handful of girls with the majority of them being Hispanic. Sat at the bar for 30-40 minutes and was never approached. Felt uncomfortable taking a table just for myself so likely hindered my chances by sitting at the bar. Saw one spinner and one girl decent shape with a tear drop booty.

Anyone get the full story on why Louie's closed? Any other game in town besides Carl's?

[QUOTE=ChicagoGoer;5841031]Obviously not in the Melrose area but likely better to post here for visibility.

Stopped in Thursday around 6. Standard wand check and I'd scan. There were a handful of girls with the majority of them being Hispanic. Sat at the bar for 30-40 minutes and was never approached. Felt uncomfortable taking a table just for myself so likely hindered my chances by sitting at the bar. Saw one spinner and one girl decent shape with a tear drop booty.

Anyone get the full story on why Louie's closed? Any other game in town besides Carl's?[/QUOTE]The one guy I know that works for the flea told me he saw one of uncle louie's relatives over there helping take stuff out so it is indeed over. There have been rumours on here and imo they are not true. About underage employees. It just doesn't fit. I was told that back in the day the boys tried to get uncle louie and they did succeed in blowing up his garage, however he walked away. So that kind of old school guy is not going to get taken down for an underage employee. Stay tuned as I do because there are a few that check this thread and have inside info that gladly share. All I know and sorry I could not be of more help. Stosh.

[QUOTE=StanleyStankas;5842039]The one guy I know that works for the flea told me he saw one of uncle louie's relatives over there helping take stuff out so it is indeed over. There have been rumours on here and imo they are not true. About underage employees. It just doesn't fit. I was told that back in the day the boys tried to get uncle louie and they did succeed in blowing up his garage, however he walked away. So that kind of old school guy is not going to get taken down for an underage employee. Stay tuned as I do because there are a few that check this thread and have inside info that gladly share. All I know and sorry I could not be of more help. Stosh.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChicagoGoer;5841031]Anyone get the full story on why Louie's closed? Any other game in town besides Carl's?[/QUOTE]OK, as for the full story, it's been covered over the past few pages, but I'll go ahead & detail it out one more time. Let's hop in the Wayback Machine one more time to the incident a couple years ago at J's. For those that don't recall, there was a fatal shooting in the parking lot after a dispute in the bar. The during the investigation, the locals had a warrant for any & all video the bar was in possession of from all security cams. Apparently the owner had years of video from all the various cams stored including the 2 cameras right above the dance area showing everything that went on there. There's speculation as to why he had all the video saved, but that's all rumors & opinions & I am sticking to info that is confirmed to be fact Once all that video was turned over, the Mayor, & all the village officials saw the activities from the dance area as well as the deals that were being done out in the open. At that point, the village put a "Dancer Ban" on all bars that were not licensed as "Entertainment" bars. It's my understanding there was discussion of more serious charges to many involved from what was seen from those cameras but apparently the village did not want the publicity.

To this day, that ban has not been lifted. Any bar in Melrose that has dancers is in violation of this & risks the same fate as Louie's. When Louie decided to bring back the dancers, it was originally "street clothes" only, & dance with "caution". The dancers were told not to name "Louie's Lounge" on any of their social Media etc. This frustrated many of them as they'd post on their Snapchat to attract their customers but could not post where. This was all in an effort to work around the dancer ban, FitnessBuff put it best with the term "open secret". Eventually after rolling for a bit, things relaxed & some of the dancers were dressing a bit more on the lingerie side we've all been used to seeing. The back room became available etc. This went on for a couple months or so, but we all know how it ended. The bottom line, is that simply having "dancers" put Louie's in violation of a village ordinance. The locals were looking the other way, but eventually, it was no longer up to LE, it was an order from village & county officials to shut it down.

Something that's been overlooked in this discussion, is that the same night they shut down Louie's, the locals also went to bust Bobbys as they had just started experimenting with ways around the dancer ban. It was VERY fortunate that there was nothing going on at the time they showed up. Only a couple girls were there but not dancing at the time & dressed in street clothes. The fact that the locals attempted to bust both bars on the same day should dispel the rumors of a young dancer etc. This was simply a Melrose Park crackdown & if there had been any other bars with dancers, they would have been included in this shutdown.

So, to address the questions I always get after posting this sort of info, Carls is still able to operate since it's in Stone Park, not Melrose. The Gentlemens club continues to operate as they have a different license & very strict rules that come with that. Those licenses were issued a very long time ago & are grandfathered in (If I'm not mistaken, the Gold Club was the Sugar Shack way back when). Also, I have no affiliation with the village of Melrose Park,(or any for that matter) nor do I have any official connection to the bars in question. I simply know the right people to get the real info from. I have posted facts that have been confirmed & this post is not an opinion piece. I have been a regular at all these places since the start of the bar "Fashion Shows". I have had soooo much fun in these places & am so very sad to see this come to an end.

[QUOTE=MayorQuimby;5842280]OK, as for the full story, it's been covered over the past few pages, but I'll go ahead & detail it out one more time. Let's hop in the Wayback Machine one more time to the incident a couple years ago at J's. For those that don't recall, there was a fatal shooting in the parking lot after a dispute in the bar. The during the investigation, the locals had a warrant for any & all video the bar was in possession of from all security cams. Apparently the owner had years of video from all the various cams stored including the 2 cameras right above the dance area showing everything that went on there. There's speculation as to why he had all the video saved, but that's all rumors & opinions & I am sticking to info that is confirmed to be fact Once all that video was turned over, the Mayor, & all the village officials saw the activities from the dance area as well as the deals that were being done out in the open. At that point, the village put a "Dancer Ban" on all bars that were not licensed as "Entertainment" bars. It's my understanding there was discussion of more serious charges to many involved from what was seen from those cameras but apparently the village did not want the publicity.

To this day, that ban has not been lifted. Any bar in Melrose that has dancers is in violation of this & risks the same fate as Louie's. When Louie decided to bring back the dancers, it was originally "street clothes" only, & dance with "caution". The dancers were told not to name "Louie's Lounge" on any of their social Media etc. This frustrated many of them as they'd post on their Snapchat to attract their customers but could not post where. This was all in an effort to work around the dancer ban, FitnessBuff put it best with the term "open secret". Eventually after rolling for a bit, things relaxed & some of the dancers were dressing a bit more on the lingerie side we've all been used to seeing. The back room became available etc. This went on for a couple months or so, but we all know how it ended. The bottom line, is that simply having "dancers" put Louie's in violation of a village ordinance. The locals were looking the other way, but eventually, it was no longer up to LE, it was an order from village & county officials to shut it down.

Something that's been overlooked in this discussion, is that the same night they shut down Louie's, the locals also went to bust Bobbys as they had just started experimenting with ways around the dancer ban. It was VERY fortunate that there was nothing going on at the time they showed up. Only a couple girls were there but not dancing at the time & dressed in street clothes. The fact that the locals attempted to bust both bars on the same day should dispel the rumors of a young dancer etc. This was simply a Melrose Park crackdown & if there had been any other bars with dancers, they would have been included in this shutdown.

So, to address the questions I always get after posting this sort of info, Carls is still able to operate since it's in Stone Park, not Melrose. The Gentlemens club continues to operate as they have a different license & very strict rules that come with that. Those licenses were issued a very long time ago & are grandfathered in (If I'm not mistaken, the Gold Club was the Sugar Shack way back when). Also, I have no affiliation with the village of Melrose Park,(or any for that matter) nor do I have any official connection to the bars in question. I simply know the right people to get the real info from. I have posted facts that have been confirmed & this post is not an opinion piece. I have been a regular at all these places since the start of the bar "Fashion Shows". I have had soooo much fun in these places & am so very sad to see this come to an end.[/QUOTE]Thank you for this clear and concise information, mayor. Please excuse this old man's observation as I don't want to sound like lieutenant columbo again! J's meaning the physical land it was above is melrose? I am sure the plat of survey (or whatever it's called sorry) has to be cut up like a jig saw puzzle up and down heim at that point. So was this a melrose ban and the other areas not in melrose went with it as on here it is referred to j's having been in unincorporated lyden so I take it melrose still has jurisdiction. I hope I didn't take something completely obvious and turn it upside down, as usual! Thanks again for your patience and well layed out concise information. I know you know so let's leave it at that. Stosh.

[QUOTE=StanleyStankas;5843167]Thank you for this clear and concise information, mayor. Please excuse this old man's observation as I don't want to sound like lieutenant columbo again! J's meaning the physical land it was above is melrose? I am sure the plat of survey (or whatever it's called sorry) has to be cut up like a jig saw puzzle up and down heim at that point. So was this a melrose ban and the other areas not in melrose went with it as on here it is referred to j's having been in unincorporated lyden so I take it melrose still has jurisdiction. I hope I didn't take something completely obvious and turn it upside down, as usual! Thanks again for your patience and well layed out concise information. I know you know so let's leave it at that. Stosh.[/QUOTE]So I completely see where you're coming from. I always thought J's was part of Leyden as well. There were several incidents there over the years, mostly minor like a fight between the girls etc. There was one case where it got crazy, some of the girls took liquor bottles from behind the bar to hit each other over the head etc, OUCH! Each time one of these took place, it was always Melrose Park LE that showed up. If you do a google search using just the name J's Bar & Grill, Mannheim Rd, you'll see results that call it Northlake, Leyden, & Melrose. If you do an address search, it shows up as a Melrose Park address. The thing that confirms it as MP is the news articles about the shooting all list it as Melrose; [URL]https://abc7chicago.com/fatal-shooting-sports-bar-js-and-grill-melrose-park/6921842/[/URL].

Interesting that you mention other areas following suit. When the dancer ban originally was put in place. It seemed that Stone park was following suit (although I do not know that to be 100% true). You all may recall that Carls was shut down right after the shooting as well. From what I know, the SP mayor eventually lifted that ban. I'm guessing that's easier in a town that's the size of a postage stamp like Stone Pk. Not as many bureaucrats to go through I guess.

& I wonder how many people on here are old enough to remember the "just one more thing" line, LOL.

[QUOTE=MayorQuimby;5843267]So I completely see where you're coming from. I always thought J's was part of Leyden as well. There were several incidents there over the years, mostly minor like a fight between the girls etc. There was one case where it got crazy, some of the girls took liquor bottles from behind the bar to hit each other over the head etc, OUCH! Each time one of these took place, it was always Melrose Park LE that showed up. If you do a google search using just the name J's Bar & Grill, Mannheim Rd, you'll see results that call it Northlake, Leyden, & Melrose. If you do an address search, it shows up as a Melrose Park address. The thing that confirms it as MP is the news articles about the shooting all list it as Melrose; [URL]https://abc7chicago.com/fatal-shooting-sports-bar-js-and-grill-melrose-park/6921842/[/URL].

Interesting that you mention other areas following suit. When the dancer ban originally was put in place. It seemed that Stone park was following suit (although I do not know that to be 100% true). You all may recall that Carls was shut down right after the shooting as well. From what I know, the SP mayor eventually lifted that ban. I'm guessing that's easier in a town that's the size of a postage stamp like Stone Pk. Not as many bureaucrats to go through I guess.

& I wonder how many people on here are old enough to remember the "just one more thing" line, LOL.[/QUOTE]J's was in unincorporated Leyden but the owner made the mistake of paying to having it annexed by Melrose bc he thought the mayor and city would always be friendly to these types of places. Big mistake on his part.

Has anyone been to the new bar that use to be J’s? I think it is called Marsella’s bar or something like that.

[QUOTE=Illini333;5843551]J's was in unincorporated Leyden but the owner made the mistake of paying to having it annexed by Melrose bc he thought the mayor and city would always be friendly to these types of places. Big mistake on his part.

Has anyone been to the new bar that use to be Js? I think it is called Marsellas bar or something like that.[/QUOTE]From the mayor and mr. Illini. I reported here that the new place didn't look open even though it was confirmed it is indeed open. The last I saw as of today was that they have a sign asking people to have their events there like a banquet hall I would imagine. Ok I understand why he might do that and not be considered in uncle thomas's boys area by contrast. With all that has gone on on that strip I would believe that all of the politicos are edgy due to everything under the sun is being labeled "human trafficking". Sorry fellas that includes the downtown girls that wear two thousand dollar heels and four thousand dollar boots. And also live in a beautiful high rise condo over looking the skyline and or lake! So there! They TO are being held against their will!! Save them!!

[QUOTE=StanleyStankas;5843944]From the mayor and mr. Illini. I reported here that the new place didn't look open even though it was confirmed it is indeed open. The last I saw as of today was that they have a sign asking people to have their events there like a banquet hall I would imagine. Ok I understand why he might do that and not be considered in uncle thomas's boys area by contrast. With all that has gone on on that strip I would believe that all of the politicos are edgy due to everything under the sun is being labeled "human trafficking". Sorry fellas that includes the downtown girls that wear two thousand dollar heels and four thousand dollar boots. And also live in a beautiful high rise condo over looking the skyline and or lake! So there! They TO are being held against their will!! Save them!![/QUOTE]I dug around and it's called "Masala Grill and Sports Bar". It appears to be an Indian owned place. That being said, I highly doubt any fun is going to be had there. So don't expect any dancers there. This place probably won't last to long. I doubt people will go there without the ladies working there. Plenty of sports bars up and down Mannheim and they are rarely packed. This place doesn't have a chance.

[QUOTE=Illini333;5844062]I dug around and it's called "Masala Grill and Sports Bar". It appears to be an Indian owned place. That being said, I highly doubt any fun is going to be had there. So don't expect any dancers there. This place probably won't last to long. I doubt people will go there without the ladies working there. Plenty of sports bars up and down Mannheim and they are rarely packed. This place doesn't have a chance.[/QUOTE]Yep, Masalas is open for business, & can confirm what you say about new ownership. I stopped in once & they've completely redone the interior & it is nicer inside but just a regular bar & grill type place. Regardless of ownership, there is absolutely ZERO chance of any bar in Melrose having dancers even if they wanted to. That's an instant ticket to the same status as Louie's.

[QUOTE=MayorQuimby;5844276]Yep, Masalas is open for business, & can confirm what you say about new ownership. I stopped in once & they've completely redone the interior & it is nicer inside but just a regular bar & grill type place. Regardless of ownership, there is absolutely ZERO chance of any bar in Melrose having dancers even if they wanted to. That's an instant ticket to the same status as Louie's.[/QUOTE]I mean the old playpen is a mexican restaurant and I can barely tell it's open. Imo someone I. E. A real estate agent or a management company sold a lease or buy to people that don't know the immediate terrain. I mean just the sign I saw that says they are looking for private events kind of red flagged them for me. That street is a weekday day street of commercial traffic and that is pretty much it!! The shot and a beer joints like the one just south of fullerton on the west side of heim has a steady clientele mostly catering to guys working nights that come in afterwards to mellow out prior to going back to the house and listen to their old lady b*tch and moan. I just don't see a legitimate restaurant that is not an easy in easy out franchise with a drive through making it on that street. I mean what would they offer? Gaming. That's up and down the strip these days already. Also in every surrounding strip center one will see at least one exclusive gaming place. Again I don't think the people that moved in know what goes on business wise around there. For their sake I hope I am wrong. Stosh.

[QUOTE=MayorQuimby;5844276]Yep, Masalas is open for business, & can confirm what you say about new ownership. I stopped in once & they've completely redone the interior & it is nicer inside but just a regular bar & grill type place. Regardless of ownership, there is absolutely ZERO chance of any bar in Melrose having dancers even if they wanted to. That's an instant ticket to the same status as Louie's.[/QUOTE]Does anyone know why the town banned all lap dancing because of the incident at J's, even if it isn't known for sure if it was even dancer related? A psychic I saw shortly after hearing about it predicted that they would get their dancing license back. Didn't ask for a time frame though.

[QUOTE=BeechNut79;5846707]Does anyone know why the town banned all lap dancing because of the incident at J's, even if it isn't known for sure if it was even dancer related? A psychic I saw shortly after hearing about it predicted that they would get their dancing license back. Didn't ask for a time frame though.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MayorQuimby;5842280]The during the investigation, the locals had a warrant for any & all video the bar was in possession of from all security cams. Apparently the owner had years of video from all the various cams stored including the 2 cameras right above the dance area showing everything that went on there. There's speculation as to why he had all the video saved, but that's all rumors & opinions & I am sticking to info that is confirmed to be fact Once all that video was turned over, the Mayor, & all the village officials saw the activities from the dance area as well as the deals that were being done out in the open. At that point, the village put a "Dancer Ban" on all bars that were not licensed as "Entertainment" bars[/QUOTE]So, I'm not trying to be a D-bag but you might want to scroll 8 posts down from yours to post #1102. The entire story is there. The village officials discovered there was more than dancing going on. Did your psychic explain to you that there never was a "dancing license" to begin with? That's why it was so easy for the village to implement the dancer ban. These places all started with the "lingerie fashion shows" that were run by outside companies. That's how they were able to do it without an "entertainment" license to my understanding.

[QUOTE=MayorQuimby;5846903]So, I'm not trying to be a D-bag but you might want to scroll 8 posts down from yours to post #1102. The entire story is there. The village officials discovered there was more than dancing going on. Did your psychic explain to you that there never was a "dancing license" to begin with? That's why it was so easy for the village to implement the dancer ban. These places all started with the "lingerie fashion shows" that were run by outside companies. That's how they were able to do it without an "entertainment" license to my understanding.[/QUOTE]If I recall that back in the day they had something like pull tabs or something like where you bought chances to win prizes. It's been so long and I am so old I do not totally recall. However, the outside companies running the dancer situation that part I do remember and of course also that the licenses being given to these establishments like uncle louie's et al were / are completely different from say scores and the place next door.

[QUOTE=StanleyStankas;5846971]If I recall that back in the day they had something like pull tabs or something like where you bought chances to win prizes. It's been so long and I am so old I do not totally recall. However, the outside companies running the dancer situation that part I do remember and of course also that the licenses being given to these establishments like uncle louie's et al were / are completely different from say scores and the place next door.[/QUOTE]

Yes, if I understand correctly, they did not issue any special license since the girls were "visitors" from companies like Sneak Previews, Vogue Fashions (remember the Palos Park Madam?) & Helen Of Troy. They seemed to be viewed the same way as the people that stop in selling roses or tamales. I think everything changed when the bars all booted the Fashion Show companies out & started managing the girls on their own. I guess it they wanted to collect the show fees from the girls instead of that landing in the pockets of the Show company owners. But hey, I'm no psychic.

[QUOTE=MayorQuimby;5847162]Yes, if I understand correctly, they did not issue any special license since the girls were "visitors" from companies like Sneak Previews, Vogue Fashions (remember the Palos Park Madam?) & Helen Of Troy. They seemed to be viewed the same way as the people that stop in selling roses or tamales. I think everything changed when the bars all booted the Fashion Show companies out & started managing the girls on their own. I guess it they wanted to collect the show fees from the girls instead of that landing in the pockets of the Show company owners. But hey, I'm no psychic.[/QUOTE]WTF was that about? I for see the girls coming back. Then pigs will fly. And, and, and. I remember a few of those names. If I recall there was always a bartender in kind of lingerie type outfit so when one walked in one knew they were in the right place. Also I do recall that the way they scooted around the license restrictions was by bringing in an outside company to produce the shows and handle the money and the transactions to the girls. In reality that worked. Problem is and I have had some experience in the private side of that game (I. E. Bachelor parties, divorce parties, golf outings) when I first got into business, it is indeed a major pain. You are dealing with girls that in their own words would tell me that if a girl is in the business they have at least one screw loose! Plus when you deal with horny dudes, money, drinks, women. It's a bad combo to begin with!

[QUOTE=MayorQuimby;5846903]So, I'm not trying to be a D-bag but you might want to scroll 8 posts down from yours to post #1102. The entire story is there. The village officials discovered there was more than dancing going on. Did your psychic explain to you that there never was a "dancing license" to begin with? That's why it was so easy for the village to implement the dancer ban. These places all started with the "lingerie fashion shows" that were run by outside companies. That's how they were able to do it without an "entertainment" license to my understanding.[/QUOTE]I may run this one by another psychic for a second opinion. Recently did ask one (not the one I asked about the dancer ban) whether she seeks personal escorting ever becoming legal in more if not all of the country. She replied that while sexual adventure is highly suppressed in the US and some other cultures this will change in the future because of our power of free will. We want the control in our own hands and not to be told by government what to do and how to do it, particularly when there is no harm. So, in time it will be made legal, just as it did with both gambling and now marijuana. But the feelings of shame and guilt will take a long time to go away, maybe even generations.

I feel that such companies are needed more now due to so much isolation which was happening even before the pandemic, largely due to the addiction to smartphones and the Internet, but actually going back to the AIDS scare. During the couple of prior decades it was fairly easy for most of us to get it for free. And, last but certainly not least, isn't it obvious that prohibition of this activity hasn't worked any more than it did with liquor a century ago?

[QUOTE=BeechNut79;5847581]I may run this one by another psychic for a second opinion. Recently did ask one (not the one I asked about the dancer ban) whether she seeks personal escorting ever becoming legal in more if not all of the country. She replied that while sexual adventure is highly suppressed in the US and some other cultures this will change in the future because of our power of free will. We want the control in our own hands and not to be told by government what to do and how to do it, particularly when there is no harm. So, in time it will be made legal, just as it did with both gambling and now marijuana. But the feelings of shame and guilt will take a long time to go away, maybe even generations.

I feel that such companies are needed more now due to so much isolation which was happening even before the pandemic, largely due to the addiction to smartphones and the Internet, but actually going back to the AIDS scare. During the couple of prior decades it was fairly easy for most of us to get it for free. And, last but certainly not least, isn't it obvious that prohibition of this activity hasn't worked any more than it did with liquor a century ago?[/QUOTE]

OK, so comparing to prohibition? Not sure it's the same as it was 100 years ago. Let's hop in the Wayback Machine once again & take a look at all the surrounding areas.

Rockford was an absolute goldmine for any activity you wanted back in the 80's & 90's. There were these Lingerie Shops where you'd go in I select your "model" that would take you to a private room & put on a little fashion show for you & would offer a wide open menu. There were a couple of those on a street (Broadway, I believe, named) that would have girls standing in the storefront windows in lingerie to attract customers (One called "Brandy's"). The last 2 of those were raided & shutdown a few years ago. There was an amazing stripclub scene there as well. My fav was a little place called the Hideaway. There were some cuties & everything was available. Now, there's little to nothing going on in the Rock Town. Just the occasional SW. The stripclubs are pathetic & nothing to be had.

There was also Belvidere. That little town had the 2 best massage places ever (Oh how I miss Terry). Now that town has ZERO activities.

How about NW Indiana? Back in the 90's there were many wild stripclubs with pretty open menus. There were a few flat out brothels that have been shut down. There was a little diner called "Mickeys Rock & Roll Cafe" on the main strip in downtown Hammond in the middle of the block mixed in with dime stores & hardware stores etc. It was not uncommon to walk in & see "activity" going on right at the bar, LOL.

Speaking of brothels, anyone remember what Cicero & Lyons were like in the 80's & 90's? The first stripclub I ever went into was called "My Uncles Place" on Ogden & 1st Ave. I was offered everything within 5 minutes of sitting down. I'm sure there's others that remember Towne Review & Show Of Shows. The Chicago metro area was a smorgasbord of activity back then. There's also the whole Craigslist, Backpage etc scenario. Slowly the politicians, county boys & locals have chiseled away at the options we all have for this hobby & the Mannheim Rd scene is just the latest remnant to fall.

I personally have not explored the SW scene, I'm just too intimidated by that. I also have not really dove into the Escort scene. Just don't know where to begin & a bit intimidated by that as well. My hobbies have pretty much revolved around the the clubs located in all the above mentioned areas. All the changes over the years have left me with very few options. Pretty much about to give up as I just don't have it in me to start over in a different arena (SW, Escorts etc).

So, to say prohibition of these activities "hasn't worked", doesn't seem to be a very accurate statement. A few years ago, if I was in the mood for some fun, I'd hop in the car & had several options. Twenty five years ago, I had more options than I knew what to do with. Now, the Chicago area has become a wasteland over the past decade.

As far as psychics go? Don't even know where to begin on that one. Let me know if you find one that offers "other" services / takeout.

[QUOTE=MayorQuimby;5847829]OK, so comparing to prohibition? Not sure it's the same as it was 100 years ago. Let's hop in the Wayback Machine once again & take a look at all the surrounding areas.

Rockford was an absolute goldmine for any activity you wanted back in the 80's & 90's. There were these Lingerie Shops where you'd go in I select your "model" that would take you to a private room & put on a little fashion show for you & would offer a wide open menu. There were a couple of those on a street (Broadway, I believe, named) that would have girls standing in the storefront windows in lingerie to attract customers (One called "Brandy's"). The last 2 of those were raided & shutdown a few years ago. There was an amazing stripclub scene there as well. My fav was a little place called the Hideaway. There were some cuties & everything was available. Now, there's little to nothing going on in the Rock Town. Just the occasional SW. The stripclubs are pathetic & nothing to be had.

There was also Belvidere. That little town had the 2 best massage places ever (Oh how I miss Terry). Now that town has ZERO activities.

How about NW Indiana? Back in the 90's there were many wild stripclubs with pretty open menus. There were a few flat out brothels that have been shut down. There was a little diner called "Mickeys Rock & Roll Cafe" on the main strip in downtown Hammond in the middle of the block mixed in with dime stores & hardware stores etc. It was not uncommon to walk in & see "activity" going on right at the bar, LOL.

Speaking of brothels, anyone remember what Cicero & Lyons were like in the 80's & 90's? The first stripclub I ever went into was called "My Uncles Place" on Ogden & 1st Ave. I was offered everything within 5 minutes of sitting down. I'm sure there's others that remember Towne Review & Show Of Shows. The Chicago metro area was a smorgasbord of activity back then. There's also the whole Craigslist, Backpage etc scenario. Slowly the politicians, county boys & locals have chiseled away at the options we all have for this hobby & the Mannheim Rd scene is just the latest remnant to fall.

I personally have not explored the SW scene, I'm just too intimidated by that. I also have not really dove into the Escort scene. Just don't know where to begin & a bit intimidated by that as well. My hobbies have pretty much revolved around the the clubs located in all the above mentioned areas. All the changes over the years have left me with very few options. Pretty much about to give up as I just don't have it in me to start over in a different arena (SW, Escorts etc).

So, to say prohibition of these activities "hasn't worked", doesn't seem to be a very accurate statement. A few years ago, if I was in the mood for some fun, I'd hop in the car & had several options. Twenty five years ago, I had more options than I knew what to do with. Now, the Chicago area has become a wasteland over the past decade.

As far as psychics go? Don't even know where to begin on that one. Let me know if you find one that offers "other" services / takeout.[/QUOTE]Much of the scene has gone underground or online. But SW hasn't been totally eradicated. The same as formal prohibition didn't eradicate liquor. But the same crusade was there as places selling booze at the time were often harassed and raided. And I can recall when Lynn's was a hot bed for this activity. I often drove by the places and one night I finally mustered up the courage to go inside. The very minute I went in a grouchy old woman behind the counter barked "Would you like to buy Susie a cocktail? Those places were total ripoffs and really deserved to be shutdown.

Hey everyone,

It's been awhile since my last post. Stopped in by Carls this afternoon for the first time in a year. I'm sitting at the bar with my beer and looking at my phone, when ruby stops by asking if I want a dance. Seeing that I just got there I said come back in 15 minutes. She comes back we go for a dance, nice dance with plenty of grinding and touching. We're done I go back to the bar have a another beer and look at my phone. Couple of girls stop by and I said no to their offer.

When I first walked in I noticed a husky dude with a shirt that has security on it. There's another Hispanic sitting by the music is, another sitting at the end of the bar and a 3rd one at a table behind the bar stools. None had drinks, all sitting alone. I seen this before at Jays before the shooting. The gangs have taken over Carls. Later in the evening I get a text from an # I don't recognize. It says that he was a member of a Mexican drug cartel and that I was bothering his girls, and that I would pay with blood if I ignored his message. Says he knows where I live and information about my family. I don't know how they got to my phone, it never left my side.

Any body hear of any thing like this? Today I got a call from a no caller ID #, I did not answer. Any thoughts?

If you PM I will tell you the name of the cartel / gang. I didn't post since I figured the man would delete it. I googled it and it legit.

[QUOTE=Gurukkk12;5905259]Hey everyone,

It's been awhile since my last post. Stopped in by Carls this afternoon for the first time in a year. I'm sitting at the bar with my beer and looking at my phone, when ruby stops by asking if I want a dance. Seeing that I just got there I said come back in 15 minutes. She comes back we go for a dance, nice dance with plenty of grinding and touching. We're done I go back to the bar have a another beer and look at my phone. Couple of girls stop by and I said no to their offer.

When I first walked in I noticed a husky dude with a shirt that has security on it. There's another Hispanic sitting by the music is, another sitting at the end of the bar and a 3rd one at a table behind the bar stools. None had drinks, all sitting alone. I seen this before at Jays before the shooting. The gangs have taken over Carls. Later in the evening I get a text from an # I don't recognize. It says that he was a member of a Mexican drug cartel and that I was bothering his girls, and that I would pay with blood if I ignored his message. Says he knows where I live and information about my family. I don't know how they got to my phone, it never left my side.

Any body hear of any thing like this? Today I got a call from a no caller ID #, I did not answer. Any thoughts?

If you PM I will tell you the name of the cartel / gang. I didn't post since I figured the man would delete it. I googled it and it legit.[/QUOTE]So my question is; do you think that they pissed that you got a dance from one of the girls or that you ignored the others?

[QUOTE=MayorQuimby;5847829]OK, so comparing to prohibition? Not sure it's the same as it was 100 years ago. Let's hop in the Wayback Machine once again & take a look at all the surrounding areas.

Rockford was an absolute goldmine for any activity you wanted back in the 80's & 90's. There were these Lingerie Shops where you'd go in I select your "model" that would take you to a private room & put on a little fashion show for you & would offer a wide open menu. There were a couple of those on a street (Broadway, I believe, named) that would have girls standing in the storefront windows in lingerie to attract customers (One called "Brandy's"). The last 2 of those were raided & shutdown a few years ago. There was an amazing stripclub scene there as well. My fav was a little place called the Hideaway. There were some cuties & everything was available. Now, there's little to nothing going on in the Rock Town. Just the occasional SW. The stripclubs are pathetic & nothing to be had.

There was also Belvidere. That little town had the 2 best massage places ever (Oh how I miss Terry). Now that town has ZERO activities..[/QUOTE]I am in total agreement. Your post would have needed to be a lot longer to truly point out all the effects. For example, I used to regularly visit Chicao Rd in the Heights as well as the forest preserves. Forget it now- for over a decade. I have also met several girls that have not found online to be such a gold mine. There are many mongers that if they could afford online prices, would never been looking on the streets in the first place. Personally, I won't pay $150 or $200 for some of the same girls I have seen on the street for $40. Online does not make them sexier or better at sex. Imagine getting a McCheeseburger for $1 at the drive-thru and then finding out you needed to order it online for $6. 00 in advance.