[QUOTE=Asmoth;6042089]So is it really us the customer being the issue or simply them living above their means from all the fuck money they bring in?[/QUOTE]The sex buyer is always the starting point.
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[QUOTE=Asmoth;6042089]So is it really us the customer being the issue or simply them living above their means from all the fuck money they bring in?[/QUOTE]The sex buyer is always the starting point.
The law is an ass. People want what people want, pussy or drugs or whatever. As long as they don't violate the personal property rights of others they should be able to get those things. Sustar, you are apparently one of those apologists for the government who say, "Well, its for your own good," or "Our elected representatives made that law so we should follow it. " Bullshit.
The issue here is liberty. The bottom line as far as I am concerned is that a person owns their own body and has the innate, inborn right to do with it what they please as long as they are not violating the personal property rights of other people. Regardless of whether or not its breaking the law. People have rights that the government doesn't recognize and that needs to change.
Cheech.
[QUOTE=SuStar;6042087]Casting the problem on "capitalism" is a ruse to avoid responsibility for engaging in sex for hire.
Without demand, the operation dries up.
That's where it starts and ends.
(Snip the rest).[/QUOTE]At an individual level, the person is responsible. Just like with poverty, obesity, drug use, drunk driving. Any single person can avoid or overcome those things. But when they become pervasive at a societal level, then it becomes clear that every person cannot and solutions other than "personal responsibility" and "law and order" would be more effective at reducing them. But here's a hint, people in charge have no desire to reduce them, and even people like yourself don't either.
[QUOTE=CleveLoser;6042177]At an individual level, the person is responsible. Just like with poverty, obesity, drug use, drunk driving. Any single person can avoid or overcome those things. But when they become pervasive at a societal level, then it becomes clear that every person cannot and solutions other than "personal responsibility" and "law and order" would be more effective at reducing them[/QUOTE]
Focus on interdicting the sex buyer goes a long way towards the larger amelioration, farther than you care to acknowledge.
Casting aspersions on others neither excuses your own culpability, nor mitigates the larger problem.
(Snip the rest).
[QUOTE=Cheech1;6042172]People want what people want, pussy or drugs or whatever. As long as they don't violate the personal property rights of others, they should be able to get those things[/QUOTE]Prostitution harms everyone.
[QUOTE=Cheech1;6042172]you are apparently one of those apologists for the government[/QUOTE]If you violate the law, you do so at your own peril.
[QUOTE=Cheech1;6042172]The issue here is liberty[/QUOTE]False.
[QUOTE=Cheech1;6042172]The bottom line is that a person owns their own body and has the innate, inborn right to do with it what they please as long as they are not violating the personal property rights of other people[/QUOTE]False.
[QUOTE=Cheech1;6042172]People have rights that the government doesn't recognize and that needs to change.[/QUOTE]False.
Get help.
[QUOTE=SuStar;6042108]The sex buyer is always the starting point.[/QUOTE]The sex buyer is not always the starting point. It's amazing how much you have gotten wrong, so far. Many opinions have been expressed by others and for you to claim they are false is simply absurd. They just don't share your opinion.
[QUOTE=SuStar;6042368]Focus on interdicting the sex buyer goes a long way towards the larger amelioration, farther than you care to acknowledge.
Casting aspersions on others neither excuses your own culpability, nor mitigates the larger problem.
(Snip the rest).[/QUOTE]The only person "mitigating" the larger problem is you. Your reductive argument only focusing on the demand is ignorant of the broader societal issues that motivate women to engage in such activities. By design there is a massive underclass that can only aspire to 10-15 $ per hour without any guarantees for health care, housing, or labor safety. Of course large numbers will prefer 200-300 per hour in the sex trade.
Further your assertion about "ameliorating" by focusing on the buyer does not actually go a long way. For years this focus has existed and yet there has been little reduction. Ofc this is nothing new as we have seen time and time again that prohibition does not work be it gambling, alcohol, weed, crack, fent, or pussy.
Focus on the root causes by providing for a minimum standard of living with access to addiction resources including alternate opioids and prostitution would be largely eradicated. Focus on criminalizing and you will only create more criminals.
Buying sex is exploitive behavior.
Buyers are sensitive to the risk of arrest, cite it as a barrier to sex buying, and stop buying sex in communities where they perceive a higher likelihood of arrest.
Arresting prostituted persons does nothing to deter buyers.
The very presence of prostituted persons is a direct response to demand, not the other way around.
Creating increasingly severe penalty structures for repeat buyers is recommended.
[URL]https://www.demandabolition.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Demand-Buyer-Report-July-2019.pdf[/URL]
The idea that legalizing or decriminalizing commercial sex would reduce its harms is a persistent myth.
Many claim if the sex trade were legal, regulated, and treated like any other profession, it would be safer.
But research suggests otherwise.
Countries that have legalized or decriminalized commercial sex often experience a surge in human trafficking, pimping, and other related crimes.
[URL]https://www.demandabolition.org/research/evidence-against-legalizing-prostitution/[/URL]
Can someone please get arrested so that we can talk about that and put an end to this utterly boring back and forth debate about prostitution in general?
[quote=tontomonger;6044862]can someone please get arrested so that we can talk about that and put an end to this utterly boring back and forth debate about prostitution in general?[/quote]thank you!
The act of selling sex is often not consensual.
Buyers should understand that many factors and vulnerabilities a pimp or trafficker, drug addiction, homelessness and past trauma, to name a few make consent from the seller unlikely.
Instead of rationalizing that the victim is voluntarily participating in this sexual exchange, a buyer should consider what likely led the seller to where she is today.
[URL]https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-244X-6-24[/URL]
[QUOTE=TontoMonger;6044862]. . . put an end to this utterly boring back and forth debate about prostitution in general?[/QUOTE]If it's boring you, then why do you read it?
Are you reading it to relieve guilt?
[URL]https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/signs-guilt[/URL]
[URL]https://medium.com/humanist-way/own-your-guilt-c5f30da94793[/URL]
[URL]https://www.healthline.com/health/boredom[/URL]#fa-qs.
[QUOTE=CleveLoser;6043396]The only person "mitigating" the larger problem is you[/QUOTE]False.
[QUOTE=CleveLoser;6043396]Only focusing on the demand is ignorant of the broader societal issues that motivate women to engage in such activities[/QUOTE]False.
[QUOTE=CleveLoser;6043396]There is a massive underclass. Large numbers will prefer 200-300 per hour in the sex trade[/QUOTE]False.
[QUOTE=CleveLoser;6043396]Focusing on the buyer does not actually go a long way[/QUOTE]False.
[QUOTE=CleveLoser;6043396]Focus on providing for a minimum standard of living and prostitution would be largely eradicated[/QUOTE]False.
[QUOTE=SuStar;6045278]The act of selling sex is often not consensual.
Buyers should understand that many factors and vulnerabilities a pimp or trafficker, drug addiction, homelessness and past trauma, to name a few make consent from the seller unlikely.
Instead of rationalizing that the victim is voluntarily participating in this sexual exchange, a buyer should consider what likely led the seller to where she is today.
[URL]https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-244X-6-24[/URL][/QUOTE]Are people disagreeing with that? Certainly it is a coercive and exploitative act. So is working at McDonalds and the vast majority of jobs.