Safe Mongering in Honolulu

[QUOTE=Redneck1;3150303]According to the forum administrator, the rule is even more strict: there must be "an official, internet available public record of the STD" in order to post it on the forum.

Of course, that would be extremely rare. However, it's remotely possible, because in some states there are crimes that involve the defendant being infected with an STD. For example, in California it's a crime for an HIV-positive person to intentionally try to infect someone with HIV by unprotected sexual activity. If a provider was convicted of that crime and the conviction was in an official internet-available public record, the link could be posted on the forum.[/QUOTE]Hawaii doesn't have that law, which is a shame, I want to protect our girls.

[QUOTE=Redneck1;3150303]According to the forum administrator, the rule is even more strict: there must be "an official, internet available public record of the STD" in order to post it on the forum.

Of course, that would be extremely rare. However, it's remotely possible, because in some states there are crimes that involve the defendant being infected with an STD. For example, in California it's a crime for an HIV-positive person to intentionally try to infect someone with HIV by unprotected sexual activity. If a provider was convicted of that crime and the conviction was in an official internet-available public record, the link could be posted on the forum.[/QUOTE][BLUE]Before we had the rule every time a guy got pissed off at a chick they would post "I heard X has AIDS" lots of guys threatening chicks with that if they didn't get free or discounted sessions. There were sooooo many women accused of having AIDS it ridiculous.

Now, nearly every state has a law about providing sexual services when you are HIV, HEP B, HEP C ect positive. Some places it's felony prostitution, or aggravated prostitution, it has different names. In most States when a person gets convicted of prostitution they have to have an AIDS test. If they are positive they are offered services and informed that if they continue to engage in prostitution the charge will be much graver. If they do, and they get convicted for the greater charge then it's ok to post that.

Sorry it has to be that way but like nearly all the rules we have it was because more than a few guys used the forum to settle a personal grudge and we had to stop it.

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[QUOTE=Jnglepen;3148975]LOL at Red.

I've got a SO and I'm sure plenty other do as well. I understand why you are worried tho. I'm new to this too. But IMHO it's all about rolling the dice and making the smartest decision. To lower chances of anything I try to see girls that offer full cover sessions just because I don't trust people for shit. I don't know what anyone else is bringing to the providers and how regularly a provider gets checked. If I know a provider does BBFS. I avoid because its not worth risking in my opinion.

I'll be honest. I've gotten bbbjs from a few but this was also calculated because I did research / used recent reviews (2-3 weeks old) to make a decision. Plus justified it to myself because the chance of catching something nasty from receiving oral is pretty LO. Except herpes. Herpes is a ***** and scares the shit out of me.

Buuuutttt if a provider DID have something nasty. Like herpes. Their symptoms (and the monger affected) would be pretty noticeable pretty quickly (2-3 weeks). And I think we would hear about it on the forum pretty quickly as a warning not to fall into the same trap. One would hope that there is "honor amongst thieves".

You want safest experience. Pornhub does VR now. That shits great. You want to roll the dice? Use a cover for the whole experience. Avoid kissing and keep your tongue to yourself. Seems pretty limiting to both you and the provider but you can still have fun without being an asshole, just kindly explain your preferences and be a gentleman about it. It's better being safe than risking your SO.[/QUOTE]I truly believe if you are in this hobby for long you will be carrying genital herpes because the statistics show 1 in 5 people carry the disease. It is transmitted by skin to skin contact. A lot of prostitutes can see 5 or more guys a day over a long period of time. Now think about your odds of never getting it but being in this hobby?

So I participated in FS months ago, just for the experience and curiosuty. Got BBBJ and cfs from a popular provider at rejuve. Now I can't say I regret it, but I just get paranoid thinking that I caught something even though I was protected.

I lived the fantasy so I think I'm good just getting that type of exciting experience for once in my life.

HE is good enough for me from now on. I envy you guys who are able to partake more than I could.

If I could constantly live the fantasy with no worries, risks, I totally would. But that's life I guess. Props to all you fearless mongers out there! I just gon stick to VR porn now LOL.

[QUOTE=PMool44;3154617]So I participated in FS months ago, just for the experience and curiosuty. Got BBBJ and cfs from a popular provider at rejuve. Now I can't say I regret it, but I just get paranoid thinking that I caught something even though I was protected.

I lived the fantasy so I think I'm good just getting that type of exciting experience for once in my life.

HE is good enough for me from now on. I envy you guys who are able to partake more than I could.

If I could constantly live the fantasy with no worries, risks, I totally would. But that's life I guess. Props to all you fearless mongers out there! I just gon stick to VR porn now LOL.[/QUOTE]The idea of "risk" in connection with this "hobby" is intriguing and potentially multi-faceted. Using my own case as an example of what I'm referring to, since I no more SO, and since I start descending into depression and suicidal tendencies if I cannot occasionally get my intimate-contact-with-a-woman fix, if I go to a provider to receive my necessary minimum dose of intimacy I'm risking catching an STD, but if I do not go to a provider I'm risking death anyway so you do the math. Maybe the entire discussion all boils down to what level of risk a guy is willing to invest himself in. That and becoming as conscious and responsible about those choices as possible.

[QUOTE=CosmicKid;3154937]The idea of "risk" in connection with this "hobby" is intriguing and potentially multi-faceted. Using my own case as an example of what I'm referring to, since I no more SO, and since I start descending into depression and suicidal tendencies if I cannot occasionally get my intimate-contact-with-a-woman fix, if I go to a provider to receive my necessary minimum dose of intimacy I'm risking catching an STD, but if I do not go to a provider I'm risking death anyway so you do the math. Maybe the entire discussion all boils down to what level of risk a guy is willing to invest himself in. That and becoming as conscious and responsible about those choices as possible.[/QUOTE]I can totally relate to your reply. I too have this 'need' of physical connection & intimacy. I have concluded it's because I have somewhat a lack of self-esteem. I am happiest when I am desired, can't deny that. Too bad we live in a society where casual intimacy is just plainly looked down upon yet it is frequently displayed in our culture's media.

[QUOTE=PMool44;3154617]So I participated in FS months ago, just for the experience and curiosuty. Got BBBJ and cfs from a popular provider at rejuve. Now I can't say I regret it, but I just get paranoid thinking that I caught something even though I was protected.

I lived the fantasy so I think I'm good just getting that type of exciting experience for once in my life.

HE is good enough for me from now on. I envy you guys who are able to partake more than I could.

If I could constantly live the fantasy with no worries, risks, I totally would. But that's life I guess. Props to all you fearless mongers out there! I just gon stick to VR porn now LOL.[/QUOTE]I just came back from my first very sexual but awkward AMP. Now I will say it was definitely an eye-opening experience, but things got out of hand really quickly; by that I mean I had a plan to limit myself only to a massage and a hand job (that never happened). Instead I got FS, a BBBJ, ccg, cds, cm, 69, and dfk. In the beginning I loved it, but as time went on, I started regretting everything, I just wanted to pay her and get out. I felt so much guilt, and now I have to worry about STDs. I want to think that iam ok since I tried my best to check for signs (there were none to cause suspicion), and I spit out any fluids at any chance I had. Iam also trying to purge myself by drinking alcohol. I don't know why iam writing this, I think its because iam a hypochondriac. However, I just want to let others know who feel on the edge of trying, like I did for months, to REALLY think about what you may be getting yourself into. All in all, I regret everything. Never again. If there was anything I gained from this is that I now know so much more about myself and my relationship with my SO. I just hope this doesn't come back to bite me.

I give the rest of you so much credit, I don't know how you handle these same worries (if you have them at all).

[QUOTE=Nobi22;3173567]I just came back from my first very sexual but awkward AMP. Now I will say it was definitely an eye-opening experience, but things got out of hand really quickly; by that I mean I had a plan to limit myself only to a massage and a hand job (that never happened). Instead I got FS, a BBBJ, ccg, cds, cm, 69, and dfk. In the beginning I loved it, but as time went on, I started regretting everything, I just wanted to pay her and get out. I felt so much guilt, and now I have to worry about STDs. I want to think that iam ok since I tried my best to check for signs (there were none to cause suspicion), and I spit out any fluids at any chance I had. Iam also trying to purge myself by drinking alcohol. I don't know why iam writing this, I think its because iam a hypochondriac. However, I just want to let others know who feel on the edge of trying, like I did for months, to REALLY think about what you may be getting yourself into. All in all, I regret everything. Never again. If there was anything I gained from this is that I now know so much more about myself and my relationship with my SO. I just hope this doesn't come back to bite me.

I give the rest of you so much credit, I don't know how you handle these same worries (if you have them at all).[/QUOTE]Those are the risks, man. Stds are real but we all know what we are getting into. All covered service will reduce the risks, CBJ, cfs. Can't help you with the guilt. Stay safe my brother.

[QUOTE=CosmicKid;3154937]The idea of "risk" in connection with this "hobby" is intriguing and potentially multi-faceted. Using my own case as an example of what I'm referring to, since I no more SO, and since I start descending into depression and suicidal tendencies if I cannot occasionally get my intimate-contact-with-a-woman fix, if I go to a provider to receive my necessary minimum dose of intimacy I'm risking catching an STD, but if I do not go to a provider I'm risking death anyway so you do the math. Maybe the entire discussion all boils down to what level of risk a guy is willing to invest himself in. That and becoming as conscious and responsible about those choices as possible.[/QUOTE]When I broke up with a KB girl (no big loss), I went on a binge and felt on top of the world. I would opine that mongering has a therapeutic good in society.

I would recommend Michelle at Plus, she does this cosmic energy thing.

[QUOTE=Nobi22;3173567]I just came back from my first very sexual but awkward AMP. Now I will say it was definitely an eye-opening experience, but things got out of hand really quickly; by that I mean I had a plan to limit myself only to a massage and a hand job (that never happened). Instead I got FS, a BBBJ, ccg, cds, cm, 69, and dfk. In the beginning I loved it, but as time went on, I started regretting everything, I just wanted to pay her and get out. I felt so much guilt, and now I have to worry about STDs. I want to think that iam ok since I tried my best to check for signs (there were none to cause suspicion), and I spit out any fluids at any chance I had. Iam also trying to purge myself by drinking alcohol. I don't know why iam writing this, I think its because iam a hypochondriac. However, I just want to let others know who feel on the edge of trying, like I did for months, to REALLY think about what you may be getting yourself into. All in all, I regret everything. Never again. If there was anything I gained from this is that I now know so much more about myself and my relationship with my SO. I just hope this doesn't come back to bite me.

I give the rest of you so much credit, I don't know how you handle these same worries (if you have them at all).[/QUOTE]Yesterday when I first began reading Nobi22's report I was thinking, this fucking guy is just real intensely making himself crazy, classic example of a full-on mind-fuck in action. But when you mentioned you had an SO, all of a sudden your fears took on an entirely different meaning and started making some real-world logical sense. And what I learned from you is, usually I walk around feeling sorry for myself cause no more SO, but looking at your situation, now I'm realizing that, within the context of this hobby, I'm actually better off totally single because I seriously don't have to bust up my own skull with worrying about the responsibility of ever passing on an STD to an SO. That's why I don't need to get involved in your level of painful guilt trips. All I got to worry about is my own personal health. And regarding this, FWIW, I've been mongering for years now, and virtually all BB too, never had any strange symptoms, but recently decided it might be wise to start getting tested anyway. Done that twice over the past year, and came up all negatives, at least for the STDs the doc tested for.

[QUOTE=CosmicKid;3175688]Yesterday when I first began reading Nobi22's report I was thinking, this fucking guy is just real intensely making himself crazy, classic example of a full-on mind-fuck in action. But when you mentioned you had an SO, all of a sudden your fears took on an entirely different meaning and started making some real-world logical sense. And what I learned from you is, usually I walk around feeling sorry for myself cause no more SO, but looking at your situation, now I'm realizing that, within the context of this hobby, I'm actually better off totally single because I seriously don't have to bust up my own skull with worrying about the responsibility of ever passing on an STD to an SO. That's why I don't need to get involved in your level of painful guilt trips. All I got to worry about is my own personal health. And regarding this, FWIW, I've been mongering for years now, and virtually all BB too, never had any strange symptoms, but recently decided it might be wise to start getting tested anyway. Done that twice over the past year, and came up all negatives, at least for the STDs the doc tested for.[/QUOTE]True that bro.

The risks we take are all us but if you get SO she or he LOL are at risk too. When I get SO I no go outside and play. She's enough for me and that takes out all the risk too. Be safe bruddz.

[QUOTE=AsianSize;3175915]True that bro.

The risks we take are all us but if you get SO she or he LOL are at risk too. When I get SO I no go outside and play. She's enough for me and that takes out all the risk too. Be safe bruddz.[/QUOTE]I'm going to go ahead and give a little rant of why I, and probably other mongers, end up at AMPs although having a SO back home. Let's be real here; I love my SO. There's no one else in the world I'd want to be in a relationship with, long term. But the thing with long term relationships is that your girl ends up not doing the things she used to do with / for you at the early stages of the relationship. It used to be "yes, sure, okay!" -to pretty much ANYTHING you want sexually. BJ? Yes. Anal? Yes. Quickie? Yes. -anytime, anyplace. Do you know what happens after a long time passes? You guessed it! Now it's a fkn a battleground when it comes to anything sexual. BJ? Not right now. Anal? I don't want to do that. Quickie? I just don't feel like it. Maybe later. And when it's later. Yup, nothing. It really is frustrating, it kind of de-masculinizes you. You just don't feel like a man anymore, or even desired. It's not that I'm unhappy to the point of wanting to leave. It's more about not being fulfilled with physical intamacy enough. What do you think is more frustrating? - being single and not getting any? Or actually having a SO & not getting any action?

The thing is, that AMPs bring back the feelings. They bring back being desired. They bring back the excitement. They bring back your masiculinity of dominance & release of aggression. Pretty much what every healthy male needs. No average woman will ever understand the physical needs of a man. In AMPs, everything is just fulfilled because, although these girls are realistcally just working for $, they provide an outlet for any need that lacks back home.

If my SO kept fulfilling me they way as she did before in the good ol days, I would not look anywhere else, I wouldn't have taken the plunge into the AMP scene or the risks. With a long term SO, There's days where you'd be left dry for way too long & even make clear to what Is needed. Yet nothing is met, or in most cases, they get super irritated with you for wanting some intamacy. Real talk though. Read: "His needs, Her needs" by willard harley. It explains the real reasons why people stray away. I made my SO read that book, but you know, women don't listen. Reality of it all.

I am in the same boat with you and every thing you said it's spot on for me also.

[QUOTE=PMool44;3182272]I'm going to go ahead and give a little rant of why I, and probably other mongers, end up at AMPs although having a SO back home. Let's be real here; I love my SO. There's no one else in the world I'd want to be in a relationship with, long term. But the thing with long term relationships is that your girl ends up not doing the things she used to do with / for you at the early stages of the relationship. It used to be "yes, sure, okay!" -to pretty much ANYTHING you want sexually. BJ? Yes. Anal? Yes. Quickie? Yes. -anytime, anyplace. Do you know what happens after a long time passes? You guessed it! Now it's a fkn a battleground when it comes to anything sexual. BJ? Not right now. Anal? I don't want to do that. Quickie? I just don't feel like it. Maybe later. And when it's later. Yup, nothing. It really is frustrating, it kind of de-masculinizes you. You just don't feel like a man anymore, or even desired. It's not that I'm unhappy to the point of wanting to leave. It's more about not being fulfilled with physical intamacy enough. What do you think is more frustrating? - being single and not getting any? Or actually having a SO & not getting any action?

The thing is, that AMPs bring back the feelings. They bring back being desired. They bring back the excitement. They bring back your masiculinity of dominance & release of aggression. Pretty much what every healthy male needs. No average woman will ever understand the physical needs of a man. In AMPs, everything is just fulfilled because, although these girls are realistcally just working for $, they provide an outlet for any need that lacks back home.

If my SO kept fulfilling me they way as she did before in the good ol days, I would not look anywhere else, I wouldn't have taken the plunge into the AMP scene or the risks. With a long term SO, There's days where you'd be left dry for way too long & even make clear to what Is needed. Yet nothing is met, or in most cases, they get super irritated with you for wanting some intamacy. Real talk though. Read: "His needs, Her needs" by willard harley. It explains the real reasons why people stray away. I made my SO read that book, but you know, women don't listen. Reality of it all.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PeachEater51;3182901]I am in the same boat with you and every thing you said it's spot on for me also.[/QUOTE]That is spot on for me as well. My SO and I don't have sex as frequently as we did when we first got together, but we still have that spark. Unlike you guys, my SO never offered me Greek. However, after five years, things get monotonous. You can have all the steak you want, but sometimes you prefer pork chops. AMPs offer me that variety, and excitement of seeing someone else with no strings attached. I usually hang out at KBs,, but my SO has many KBG friends. The other problem is if you get something from a KBG, they can get clingy.

[QUOTE=PMool44;3182272]I'm going to go ahead and give a little rant of why I, and probably other mongers, end up at AMPs although having a SO back home. Let's be real here; I love my SO. There's no one else in the world I'd want to be in a relationship with, long term. But the thing with long term relationships is that your girl ends up not doing the things she used to do with / for you at the early stages of the relationship. It used to be "yes, sure, okay!" -to pretty much ANYTHING you want sexually. BJ? Yes. Anal? Yes. Quickie? Yes. -anytime, anyplace. Do you know what happens after a long time passes? You guessed it! Now it's a fkn a battleground when it comes to anything sexual. BJ? Not right now. Anal? I don't want to do that. Quickie? I just don't feel like it. Maybe later. And when it's later. Yup, nothing. It really is frustrating, it kind of de-masculinizes you. You just don't feel like a man anymore, or even desired. It's not that I'm unhappy to the point of wanting to leave. It's more about not being fulfilled with physical intamacy enough. What do you think is more frustrating? - being single and not getting any? Or actually having a SO & not getting any action?

The thing is, that AMPs bring back the feelings. They bring back being desired. They bring back the excitement. They bring back your masiculinity of dominance & release of aggression. Pretty much what every healthy male needs. No average woman will ever understand the physical needs of a man. In AMPs, everything is just fulfilled because, although these girls are realistcally just working for $, they provide an outlet for any need that lacks back home.

If my SO kept fulfilling me they way as she did before in the good ol days, I would not look anywhere else, I wouldn't have taken the plunge into the AMP scene or the risks. With a long term SO, There's days where you'd be left dry for way too long & even make clear to what Is needed. Yet nothing is met, or in most cases, they get super irritated with you for wanting some intamacy. Real talk though. Read: "His needs, Her needs" by willard harley. It explains the real reasons why people stray away. I made my SO read that book, but you know, women don't listen. Reality of it all.[/QUOTE]Hit the nail on the head my. Brother! ! Exactly and so well put. Love my wife, my kid and everything but I have needs.

Maybe more than normal. For me the AMP is perfect. No relationships to cause heartache and sex of my wildest dreams. I'm thankful to have the income that allows me this outlet. It is expensive. But oh the memories! Great to know others out there in the same situation.