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Theres always usasg instead of member berries you could lead here and others might follow just sayin.
[QUOTE=PoontangChaser;5551279]Not only that, the reviews used to be HONEST, something you could rely on without thinking twice.
The review format was much better with explicit details of what the provider did and did not.
I miss those days.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BbKingg;5556390]You fucked a dude.
Did you notice that Kayla had a penis?
Nothing wrong with it.[/QUOTE]I am such a dirtyfuk.
I think I better quit drinking.
I did notice something slapping under my balls in doggie. I figure it was her hand or something.
Okay serious question yall what would it take to get the hobby where it needs to be and how serious are you guys about fixing it I for one think we need to find a way to get the good players hobbyists and providers both off of tna somehow and at the same time give hobbits the proper tools to do reviews the way they need to be done and exchange information without it biting them in the ass I think the biggest problem is that shitty providers have way too much power on tna and the good ones are not alloud to advertise what they want to advertise whoever is running tna is sailing it up the creek.
[QUOTE=DirtyFuk;5557862]I am such a dirtyfuk.
I think I better quit drinking.
I did notice something slapping under my balls in doggie. I figure it was her hand or something.[/QUOTE]Probably or something.
& don't quit drinking. Sometimes that is the best way to forget something.
[QUOTE=ShootingBlanks;5558255]Okay serious question yall what would it take to get the hobby where it needs to be and how serious are you guys about fixing it I for one think we need to find a way to get the good players hobbyists and providers both off of tna somehow and at the same time give hobbits the proper tools to do reviews the way they need to be done and exchange information without it biting them in the ass I think the biggest problem is that shitty providers have way too much power on tna and the good ones are not alloud to advertise what they want to advertise whoever is running tna is sailing it up the creek.[/QUOTE]VBulletin is a shit-show masquerading as forum software in 2021, much less as an escort review platform. I was going to say present website excluded, but this is now my second time writing this post, as it was unceremoniously deleted just prior to my posting it.
There are basically three things preventing TNA alternatives from showing up:
- Research & Development Costs: While there are sites that have done a good enough job of modernizing a solution for the listing problem, probably the best being tryst. Link, there are still no in-situ solutions for allowing discrete advertisements to be shared between like-minded individuals. While I have discussed this and other problems with providers and came up with some potentially novel solutions, I haven't really experimented with their implementations because of.
- Legal & Ethical Concerns: There have been enough high profile busts of escort listing sites to remind those of us with a better than goldfish-class memory that facilitating prostitution and / or sex-trafficking in the United States is illegal at best. Getting stung for soliciting is nothing compared to the federal charges that Backpage's and MyRedBook's ownership got thrown at them. It's also rather incredible to me that TNA is still online, even with the posting restrictions and well chosen origin server location. Tryst likely stays up since the operators are Australian, presumably operating from prostitution legal areas of Australia with a site hosted in Quebec Canada. Any serious TNA competition would likely need to be developed and operated by non-US citizens or residents and outside of the United States. If the FBI's arrest of Dmitry Sklyarov is anything to go by, those operators would need to avoid passing anywhere near US jurisdictions as well. Cloudflare is no protection either, as they are just one subpoena away from revealing the origin server IP address to any law enforcement agency. Even if we were completely unscrupulous and did manage perfect operational secrecy against one of the leading nation-state cyber-security actors, there's also the fact that.
- TNA Has Critical Mass: Mr. J, the previous operator of TNA, has done a good job of capturing the lion's share of mongers in the Pacific Northwest, specifically around what I can only assume is his home-town of Seattle. The only time I've seen this majority challenged is when the site gets DDoSed, you'll see an influx of providers posting to alternative platforms (lookin' at you, Tryst) and usually only after a day or two of downtime. TNA's user retention is pretty resilient too; Usually the activity comes right back once stability is restored as there really isn't a solid regionally local competing platform that properly handles reviews (see point 1). While a dedicated actor could coordinate a multi-week DDoS attack against TNA's origin server to coincide with a targeted advertisement campaign directed towards all providers using their publicly posted email addresses and phone numbers, that's still doesn't get the eyes of the johns, which you would also need. That's also pretty felonious, and I'd rather deal with one set of federal indictments at a time. Also, if you were successful, and did get big, that would draw attention from point 2 above.
With all of that being said, there are already plenty of review-capable escort sites out there. I won't post them, but finding them was easy by looking through my TDL and googling phone numbers. It's probably point 3 above that's really keeping those from gaining traction in the PNW.
That and when you turn 18 you can die for your cuntry but your not old enough to drink a fuckin beer.
[QUOTE=NachoCheese;5559770]VBulletin is a shit-show masquerading as forum software in 2021, much less as an escort review platform. I was going to say present website excluded, but this is now my second time writing this post, as it was unceremoniously deleted just prior to my posting it.
There are basically three things preventing TNA alternatives from showing up:
- Research & Development Costs: While there are sites that have done a good enough job of modernizing a solution for the listing problem, probably the best being tryst. Link, there are still no in-situ solutions for allowing discrete advertisements to be shared between like-minded individuals. While I have discussed this and other problems with providers and came up with some potentially novel solutions, I haven't really experimented with their implementations because of.
- Legal & Ethical Concerns: There have been enough high profile busts of escort listing sites to remind those of us with a better than goldfish-class memory that facilitating prostitution and / or sex-trafficking in the United States is illegal at best. Getting stung for soliciting is nothing compared to the federal charges that Backpage's and MyRedBook's ownership got thrown at them. It's also rather incredible to me that TNA is still online, even with the posting restrictions and well chosen origin server location. Tryst likely stays up since the operators are Australian, presumably operating from prostitution legal areas of Australia with a site hosted in Quebec Canada. Any serious TNA competition would likely need to be developed and operated by non-US citizens or residents and outside of the United States. If the FBI's arrest of Dmitry Sklyarov is anything to go by, those operators would need to avoid passing anywhere near US jurisdictions as well. Cloudflare is no protection either, as they are just one subpoena away from revealing the origin server IP address to any law enforcement agency. Even if we were completely unscrupulous and did manage perfect operational secrecy against one of the leading nation-state cyber-security actors, there's also the fact that.
- TNA Has Critical Mass: Mr. J, the previous operator of TNA, has done a good job of capturing the lion's share of mongers in the Pacific Northwest, specifically around what I can only assume is his home-town of Seattle. The only time I've seen this majority challenged is when the site gets DDoSed, you'll see an influx of providers posting to alternative platforms (lookin' at you, Tryst) and usually only after a day or two of downtime. TNA's user retention is pretty resilient too; Usually the activity comes right back once stability is restored as there really isn't a solid regionally local competing platform that properly handles reviews (see point 1). While a dedicated actor could coordinate a multi-week DDoS attack against TNA's origin server to coincide with a targeted advertisement campaign directed towards all providers using their publicly posted email addresses and phone numbers, that's still doesn't get the eyes of the johns, which you would also need. That's also pretty felonious, and I'd rather deal with one set of federal indictments at a time. Also, if you were successful, and did get big, that would draw attention from point 2 above.
With all of that being said, there are already plenty of review-capable escort sites out there. I won't post them, but finding them was easy by looking through my TDL and googling phone numbers. It's probably point 3 above that's really keeping those from gaining traction in the PNW.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ShootingBlanks;5560260]That and when you turn 18 you can die for your cuntry but your not old enough to drink a fuckin beer.[/QUOTE]Yep. Relevant clip:
[B]Jim Jefferies - Freedumb - Full Length Official Clip[/B]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oyKVAjISmI[/URL]
I can confirm freedom does make me cum in my pants.
[QUOTE=RogerOver;5560279]Yep. Relevant clip:
[B]Jim Jefferies - Freedumb - Full Length Official Clip[/B]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oyKVAjISmI[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ShootingBlanks;5558255]Okay serious question yall what would it take to get the hobby where it needs to be and how serious are you guys about fixing it I for one think we need to find a way to get the good players hobbyists and providers both off of tna somehow and at the same time give hobbits the proper tools to do reviews the way they need to be done and exchange information without it biting them in the ass I think the biggest problem is that shitty providers have way too much power on tna and the good ones are not alloud to advertise what they want to advertise whoever is running tna is sailing it up the creek.[/QUOTE]What features are you looking for in a platform? I'm desperately busy but may be able to throw together a quick implementation so you could test out whether the features you're looking for are actually beneficial to the hobby.
I'm not a UI guy though so it may not be very pretty.
Resonable rates high quantity + high quality girls honest reports and honest menus all things that a computer can't promise seriously tho the problem isn't tna itself its the people that run it and even some of the community members that seem to think the world revolves around them I think the solution is to move away from forums and use a peer to peer app that no doubt would be quickly pulled from google play and apple store lmao I still can't believe it wasnt p2 p from the beginning smh my biggest question is how to get people off tna we are probably stuck with it exactly because of what NachoCheese said.
[QUOTE=Valinor;5563516]What features are you looking for in a platform? I'm desperately busy but may be able to throw together a quick implementation so you could test out whether the features you're looking for are actually beneficial to the hobby.
I'm not a UI guy though so it may not be very pretty.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ShootingBlanks;5563835]Resonable rates high quantity + high quality girls honest reports and honest menus all things that a computer can't promise seriously tho the problem isn't tna itself its the people that run it and even some of the community members that seem to think the world revolves around them I think the solution is to move away from forums and use a peer to peer app that no doubt would be quickly pulled from google play and apple store lmao I still can't believe it wasnt p2 p from the beginning smh my biggest question is how to get people off tna we are probably stuck with it exactly because of what NachoCheese said.[/QUOTE]It's unfortunate that more good people do not speak up. TNA could be salvaged if more good people did.
Tna is beyond saving at this point we just have to live with it but of course I like my solution the best of course I do and I think it should be reserved to mongers only reviews should be our domain only they should be completely candid and criticism should be welcome with plausible deniability the girl should be able to validate the mongers claims of services rendered if she wants like validating parking lmao in this way the monger does the advertising for her I'm not so sure that's the right way tho solving the BBFS puzzle is a tough one but I do think some girls wnat to be candid about their menu they just dont want to be shamed or cut off from the herd.
[QUOTE=WarpFactor69;5563846]It's unfortunate that more good people do not speak up. TNA could be salvaged if more good people did.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ShootingBlanks;5563835]Resonable rates high quantity + high quality girls honest reports and honest menus all things that a computer can't promise seriously tho the problem isn't tna itself its the people that run it and even some of the community members that seem to think the world revolves around them I think the solution is to move away from forums and use a peer to peer app that no doubt would be quickly pulled from google play and apple store lmao I still can't believe it wasnt p2 p from the beginning smh my biggest question is how to get people off tna we are probably stuck with it exactly because of what NachoCheese said.[/QUOTE]Yeah, an official app would probably be pulled quickly, but there's no reason one couldn't make a similar front-end design on a mobile site. The only down side to that is less access to the native OS and features. Could always side load the apk for android so the play store can't stop you. Not sure what the side load process for iPhone is.
And a website could conceivably do some type of peer to peer thing. It's a bit of a question as to whether you want P2P for resistance to takedowns or just a less centralized control / moderation.
I'll give it some thought. Rates are a hard thing to influence as a platform, but maybe we could make an analytics dashboard for providers where they can record their earnings per session, time worked, etc. And project income based on specific rate levels. If they make more at lower price points that are backed up by data, it may influence prices. It's a double-edged sword though as they may find out they make more by charging more!
[QUOTE=ShootingBlanks;5563906]Tna is beyond saving at this point we just have to live with it but of course I like my solution the best of course I do and I think it should be reserved to mongers only reviews should be our domain only they should be completely candid and criticism should be welcome with plausible deniability the girl should be able to validate the mongers claims of services rendered if she wants like validating parking lmao in this way the monger does the advertising for her I'm not so sure that's the right way tho solving the BBFS puzzle is a tough one but I do think some girls wnat to be candid about their menu they just dont want to be shamed or cut off from the herd.[/QUOTE]The issue with any conversation about 'what's wrong with TNA' is that everything is wrong with TNA.
TNA was never great, but it WAS good. At one point, providers listed, people met up, fun was had, and that was the bulk of the board activity. That's not to say there weren't idiots (waddup RP Chartier) trying in earnest to run game all over the board, but it was pretty clear who they were. Some hobbyists were fools, some providers were rude / terrible, and it became known quickly. Much like USA, staying abreast of the conversations told you everything you need to know.
At one point, providers got the idea they were ALL worth a premium because SOME were worth a premium. They seem to view it as 'if you want to get laid, you owe a girl $x' while completely ignoring everything else about the hobby. It's like saying a Camry should cost the same as a Land Rover because they both get you from point A to B.
Mods are also a problem. The mods / ownership are HIGHLY protective of providers, who pay their bills. Some think that means a provider is at least a part-owner (waddup SaraFoxxx) and has influence. Maybe that's the case, I don't know. What I DO know is the mods / ownership now curate and censor what doesn't reflect well on the site while protecting those who pay the bills. There have been alerts of women doing VERY shady things, but still being allowed to post ads. Meanwhile, some guy whispers anything about BBFS and they get banned for life. You tell ME who TNA is for.
Unfortunately, the only real option IMO is to separate the posts and reviews from the board itself. That's why USASG should add a review section and maybe add better search functionality. Moreover, providers should be prohibited from commenting or posting here. That's not me being shitty about providers sharing this board, it's a measure to prevent white-knights and generous reviews from jading any board. I am also open to TNA prohibiting hobbyists from posting or commenting, and the alerts section being for providers who need / want to alert other providers about hobbyists much as we would write alerts and reviews here on USASG about providers. The back-and-forth-he-said-she-said and sycophantic behavior only make things worse; it can keep some honest, but by and large it's just discourse that goes nowhere.
Exactly its not for us we need a monger-only way of sharing reviews as you say at the end of your post it wouldn't be perfect but it would be a huge improvement there would still be wk and simp cucks and rates are going to stay high until hb 3088 or similar bill passes but when that day comes the price will drop like a rock because every woman on earth is a pro waiting to happen supply and demand LOL however once people get used to something they get set in their ways tho that's why I say I think we are stuck with tna.
[QUOTE=Mizunate;5564632]The issue with any conversation about 'what's wrong with TNA' is that everything is wrong with TNA.
TNA was never great, but it WAS good. At one point, providers listed, people met up, fun was had, and that was the bulk of the board activity. That's not to say there weren't idiots (waddup RP Chartier) trying in earnest to run game all over the board, but it was pretty clear who they were. Some hobbyists were fools, some providers were rude / terrible, and it became known quickly. Much like USA, staying abreast of the conversations told you everything you need to know.
At one point, providers got the idea they were ALL worth a premium because SOME were worth a premium. They seem to view it as 'if you want to get laid, you owe a girl $x' while completely ignoring everything else about the hobby. It's like saying a Camry should cost the same as a Land Rover because they both get you from point A to B.
Mods are also a problem. The mods / ownership are HIGHLY protective of providers, who pay their bills. Some think that means a provider is at least a part-owner (waddup SaraFoxxx) and has influence. Maybe that's the case, I don't know. What I DO know is the mods / ownership now curate and censor what doesn't reflect well on the site while protecting those who pay the bills. There have been alerts of women doing VERY shady things, but still being allowed to post ads. Meanwhile, some guy whispers anything about BBFS and they get banned for life. You tell ME who TNA is for.
Unfortunately, the only real option IMO is to separate the posts and reviews from the board itself. That's why USASG should add a review section and maybe add better search functionality. Moreover, providers should be prohibited from commenting or posting here. That's not me being shitty about providers sharing this board, it's a measure to prevent white-knights and generous reviews from jading any board. I am also open to TNA prohibiting hobbyists from posting or commenting, and the alerts section being for providers who need / want to alert other providers about hobbyists much as we would write alerts and reviews here on USASG about providers. The back-and-forth-he-said-she-said and sycophantic behavior only make things worse; it can keep some honest, but by and large it's just discourse that goes nowhere.[/QUOTE]