[QUOTE=TailGunner1;6104545]Check your in box bro.[/QUOTE]Binghamton seems really dry. Outside of some visitors like BBG, there isn't much to report here outside of bashing on the few remaining providers.
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[QUOTE=TailGunner1;6104545]Check your in box bro.[/QUOTE]Binghamton seems really dry. Outside of some visitors like BBG, there isn't much to report here outside of bashing on the few remaining providers.
[QUOTE=Sandman89;6104733]Binghamton seems really dry. Outside of some visitors like BBG, there isn't much to report here outside of bashing on the few remaining providers.[/QUOTE]Yet there are a few members who still post reviews. I PM'd those. This girl is new blood. I am sure I am not the only one here to have seen her so let's wait and see someone else step up for the group.
It's not only 3 or 4 members here seeing girls. Where are the reviews? Doesn't matter if they have been reviewed before. There have been some guys here who posted a bad review of a girl and I saw her and had a good time and vice versa.
Myself and the other active members have asked about girls we are sure someone has seen and all we get is crickets. If other members want to step up and start contributing they will go on the PM list as well. If we get an active community we won't need the PMs anymore. I won't speak for the other actives but I am done with this one sided nonsense. There is information out there that is not being shared and these same people ask plenty of questions.
I just checked ONE page of STG ads. I see at least 12 girls who are real. I have seen 6 and reviewed all. A few others I haven't seen have been reviewed by the people I PM'd. That still leaves a few that I am sure someone here has seen but can't be bothered to post about. The free information lunch is over.
[QUOTE=TailGunner1;6104231]You cannot apply logical economic theory to these girls. The biggest factor here is their addictions. Some hide it better than others but they all have them. If these girls were normal and weren't addicts they could charge whatever they wanted and enough dummies would pay it. But these girls need to feed an addiction every single day. It's why I have never paid a single girl here their asking rate except maybe the first time in a few cases. And they now happily take what I offer them. Often I just wait for them to dial me for dollars. I have learned that most will take the $80 Rolling Dirty standard. I even had one who was taking 50 for the hr. But she vanished after a year. Probably arrested or dead from an overdose. There are girls with ads on STG at this very moment who will take 80 from me right now and that is not for a short stay. It's always at least a half but usually an hr. Why? Because they are freaking addicts. They need money bad. It also helps that they know I will see them again (until I am bored) and I don't creep them out.[/QUOTE]It seems like you've seen everyone, so I probably don't have much standing to say this, but I think there's less addiction than most people think. Poverty by itself is very costly (I've got first-hand experience) without any kind of addictions. Elmira Liz, Davina Sinclair, the math phd chick, Majesty, that one lady in castle creek -- all of them, I'd say, don't have any addictions (or have addictions that are very controlled). You might say that's 5 ladies while the amount you're looking at on STG is like 8-10, but I'd decently confident that at least 2 of the ones you think are addicts are either not addicts or very controlled addicts. Having family or loved ones who are addicted or sick in other ways, being poor and ineligible or unwilling to work a conventional job, etc. By themselves can make people as desperate as the lady needing the next rock.
[QUOTE=MorningJ;6112301]It seems like you've seen everyone, so I probably don't have much standing to say this, but I think there's less addiction than most people think. Poverty by itself is very costly (I've got first-hand experience) without any kind of addictions. Elmira Liz, Davina Sinclair, the math phd chick, Majesty, that one lady in castle creek -- all of them, I'd say, don't have any addictions (or have addictions that are very controlled). You might say that's 5 ladies while the amount you're looking at on STG is like 8-10, but I'd decently confident that at least 2 of the ones you think are addicts are either not addicts or very controlled addicts. Having family or loved ones who are addicted or sick in other ways, being poor and ineligible or unwilling to work a conventional job, etc. By themselves can make people as desperate as the lady needing the next rock.[/QUOTE]No, I am pretty confident that it is 100% drugs with STG girls. I agree, and had earlier mentioned, that some of these girls do a very good job masking their addictions. They all have various degrees of addiction. But in the end they are doing this because of their drug addiction. I've gotten into this debate many times before with people who seem to think a decent amount are not addicts. None have had an answer when I lay out my case. You are free to try when I am done but I don't think you will be able to convince me.
It's all about figuring out the money they are making and how they are living. You can guess this easy as most of these girls have the exact same story and live the exact same way as each other.
First off let's eliminate the high end girls who would never advertise on STG. These are the $1,000+ per hr girls. I am talking about the ones who ask that price and get it. I may be able to offer a 2 or 300 an hr girl 80 and get them. I offer that $1000+ girl say 500 and she will laugh and block me. She may be an addict. But she probably isn't. This is her career. She makes more than you or I and here is the key, she lives much better than you and I. She doesn't like sleeping with your fat bald and smelly uncle Fred but he has lots of money. It is worth being disgusted for that kind of money. But even here these guys who have that kind of money to spend are probably presenting themselves as clean, well dressed and healthy. Plus many of those girls will only see good looking guys. But we are talking about STG type girls so let's talk about them.
I have seen over 300 different women in the 10 years I have been hobbying. I have seen at least 100 of them multiple times and some many dozens of times. So you figure I have gotten pretty tight with dozens of them. I used to believe there were non addict girls doing stg and backpage before that. But you do this long enough and pay attention long enough you will learn things. You will learn even more when you see multiple girls for so long that claimed they were clean. Those girls are now UTRs. They stopped posting years ago. They see a handful of their favorite regulars now and that's it. Every single one of these girls eventually told me "yeah I was really addicted bad when I was posting every day. Now I have it under control". They didn't say they stopped. They said they have it under control. I had one, the very first girl I ever saw, who eventually claimed she was clean. I was still seeing her at a deep discount. I knew she wasn't clean. Didn't hear from her in a month or two. Checked her FB page since I knew her real name. Yeah dead of an overdose.
Let's get to the heart of the issue here. Yes people are struggling. But there are also programs in place to literally help anyone live a basic existence. Every single one of these women who aren't being pimped out most certainly have a man. He could be a piece of garbage. Well actually he is if the girl is not clean. Non drug women may put up with nonsense from men and may even support them. But they won't go as far to support a man by selling themselves unless they are druggies. Many people have some sort of family support to various degrees. So a poor woman will get social services that include free food, medical, some sort of housing and so forth. Every escort girl has these things yet somehow she still needs to sell herself. Am I beginning to paint a picture here? Your non addict poor girl would have all those social services, plus a man most likely helping as well as help from family. She probably has the ability to get some sort of a real job even if it's just part time. The amount of potential clean women who would even consider selling themselves has gone way down.
But let me bring it on home now. Let's go back to what I said about how much they make and how they live. I am going to use say $150 HH, $200 Hr as an average of what these girls ask. The numbers for your Davina are even higher so feel free to plus her numbers into the formula I am going to give you using my numbers. It will prove my case even more. The girls we are talking about post every day or at least a few times a week. So they are probably seeing guys just about every day. They have enough people who know them that they may only need to post a few times a week. But they will post multiple times a day when they really need their fix. Your friend Davina is a perfect example of that. But I will say they are seeing people 5 days a week to keep my math easier for myself. Most are seeing all 7 days but I am going to keep it easy for myself.
When you see a girl you are not the only guy she is seeing that day. Let's say she sees 5 guys a day. 2 guys for 200/ hr and 3 guys for 150/ hr. You can play around and add short stays which means more guys per day or more or less of something but I think my numbers will add up to about what they make per day on average regardless of how you want to split up what kind of calls they are doing. So with my very conservative numbers she is making $850/ day tax free. Working 5 days a week she is bringing in $4,250 per week. That's $17,000 per month. That's $221,000 per year tax free. These same girls are getting social services thru the roof. Cut her calls in half and she is still making 110 k a year.
Have you seen how these girls live? They either share dumpy apartments in the hood or they live out of cheap motel rooms. Considering the cost of living around here they should be able to rent decent houses or apartments and still have tons of money to play with. Most of them have kids, that don't live with them because they are unable to care for them. The state has taken them away. So making all that money they can't even support their own kids. I don't know about you but I don't make 221 k a year tax free and still live pretty good. Most of these girls don't even have a car and when they do it is usually an older used car. Most of them don't dress well. The ones that do have one or two outfits. You think a woman making 220 k isn't going to have a ton of nice cloths? The pro escorts making thousands a day sure do, as well as nice cars and homes. Pay attention to what a girl makes and how she lives and you will know the deal.
Some girls are deeper into the addiction than others. But do the math. Plug in whatever realistic numbers you want to. The end result is not a poor girl looking to make a few bucks to get by. They make more money than us. They are perpetually broke because they need to piss it all away on their drugs.
[QUOTE=TailGunner1;6113047]No, I am pretty confident that it is 100% drugs with STG girls. I agree, and had earlier mentioned, that some of these girls do a very good job masking their addictions. They all have various degrees of addiction. But in the end they are doing this because of their drug addiction. I've gotten into this debate many times before with people who seem to think a decent amount are not addicts. None have had an answer when I lay out my case. You are free to try when I am done but I don't think you will be able to convince me.
It's all about figuring out the money they are making and how they are living. You can guess this easy as most of these girls have the exact same story and live the exact same way as each other.
First off let's eliminate the high end girls who would never advertise on STG. These are the $1,000+ per hr girls. I am talking about the ones who ask that price and get it. I may be able to offer a 2 or 300 an hr girl 80 and get them. I offer that $1000+ girl say 500 and she will laugh and block me. She may be an addict. But she probably isn't. This is her career. She makes more than you or I and here is the key, she lives much better than you and I. She doesn't like sleeping with your fat bald and smelly uncle Fred but he has lots of money. It is worth being disgusted for that kind of money. But even here these guys who have that kind of money to spend are probably presenting themselves as clean, well dressed and healthy. Plus many of those girls will only see good looking guys. But we are talking about STG type girls so let's talk about them.
I have seen over 300 different women in the 10 years I have been hobbying. I have seen at least 100 of them multiple times and some many dozens of times. So you figure I have gotten pretty tight with dozens of them. I used to believe there were non addict girls doing stg and backpage before that. But you do this long enough and pay attention long enough you will learn things. You will learn even more when you see multiple girls for so long that claimed they were clean. Those girls are now UTRs. They stopped posting years ago. They see a handful of their favorite regulars now and that's it. Every single one of these girls eventually told me "yeah I was really addicted bad when I was posting every day. Now I have it under control". They didn't say they stopped. They said they have it under control.[/QUOTE]In s span of three years, I worked with over 60 BP escorts' I advertised for them, I hustled dates for them, drove them everywhere, and I fucked them. I've known and fucked another 200+. Out of all of them there was only one who wasn't an addict and didn't sell ass just to chase her next high. She did it to feed and raise her kid and to survive. EVERY other one of them sold ass to feed the addiction. Whether it was crack, heroin, meth, molly, spike, the wave, or booze. Recently I met someone whos a gambling addict. Within an hour of fucking her, she's at the casino pouring her easily earned money into the slots. Different high, different drug, but an addict nonetheless.
Its just the way it is.
[QUOTE=MorningJ;6112301]It seems like you've seen everyone, so I probably don't have much standing to say this, but I think there's less addiction than most people think. Poverty by itself is very costly (I've got first-hand experience) without any kind of addictions. Elmira Liz, Davina Sinclair, the math phd chick, Majesty, that one lady in castle creek -- all of them, I'd say, don't have any addictions (or have addictions that are very controlled). You might say that's 5 ladies while the amount you're looking at on STG is like 8-10, but I'd decently confident that at least 2 of the ones you think are addicts are either not addicts or very controlled addicts. Having family or loved ones who are addicted or sick in other ways, being poor and ineligible or unwilling to work a conventional job, etc. By themselves can make people as desperate as the lady needing the next rock.[/QUOTE]I'm not calling you out or trying to start a pissing match, but...
As someone who was born in Elmira and grew up here in Binghamton I can assure you what you are seeing on STG are addicts.
I make it a point to do as much research on a provider as possible before moving forward. I as a long time local, know most of their real names and have a lot of history on them. These aren't Vegas type escorts they are mostly street girls who found the internet and a whole new world of suckers who are willing to pay these outrageous asking prices.
I personally will not pay Vegas type money for a qlorified street girl in Binghamton. What you and the others do with your money is your business not mine.
Have fun and watch your back,
R_D
[QUOTE=TailGunner1;6113047]No, I am pretty confident that it is 100% drugs with STG girls. I agree, and had earlier mentioned, that some of these girls do a very good job masking their addictions. They all have various degrees of addiction. But in the end they are doing this because of their drug addiction. I've gotten into this debate many times before with people who seem to think a decent amount are not addicts. None have had an answer when I lay out my case. You are free to try when I am done but I don't think you will be able to convince me.
It's all about figuring out the money they are making and how they are living. You can guess this easy as most of these girls have the exact same story and live the exact same way as each other.
First off let's eliminate the high end girls who would never advertise on STG. These are the $1,000+ per hr girls. I am talking about the ones who ask that price and get it. I may be able to offer a 2 or 300 an hr girl 80 and get them. I offer that $1000+ girl say 500 and she will laugh and block me. She may be an addict. But she probably isn't. This is her career. She makes more than you or I and here is the key, she lives much better than you and I. She doesn't like sleeping with your fat bald and smelly uncle Fred but he has lots of money. It is worth being disgusted for that kind of money. But even here these guys who have that kind of money to spend are probably presenting themselves as clean, well dressed and healthy. Plus many of those girls will only see good looking guys. But we are talking about STG type girls so let's talk about them.
I have seen over 300 different women in the 10 years I have been hobbying. I have seen at least 100 of them multiple times and some many dozens of times. So you figure I have gotten pretty tight with dozens of them. I used to believe there were non addict girls doing stg and backpage before that. But you do this long enough and pay attention long enough you will learn things. You will learn even more when you see multiple girls for so long that claimed they were clean. Those girls are now UTRs. They stopped posting years ago. They see a handful of their favorite regulars now and that's it. Every single one of these girls eventually told me "yeah I was really addicted bad when I was posting every day. Now I have it under control". They didn't say they stopped. They said they have it under control. I had one, the very first girl I ever saw, who eventually claimed she was clean. I was still seeing her at a deep discount. I knew she wasn't clean. Didn't hear from her in a month or two. Checked her FB page since I knew her real name. Yeah dead of an overdose.
Let's get to the heart of the issue here. Yes people are struggling. But there are also programs in place to literally help anyone live a basic existence. Every single one of these women who aren't being pimped out most certainly have a man. He could be a piece of garbage. Well actually he is if the girl is not clean. Non drug women may put up with nonsense from men and may even support them. But they won't go as far to support a man by selling themselves unless they are druggies. Many people have some sort of family support to various degrees. So a poor woman will get social services that include free food, medical, some sort of housing and so forth. Every escort girl has these things yet somehow she still needs to sell herself. Am I beginning to paint a picture here? Your non addict poor girl would have all those social services, plus a man most likely helping as well as help from family. She probably has the ability to get some sort of a real job even if it's just part time. The amount of potential clean women who would even consider selling themselves has gone way down.
But let me bring it on home now. Let's go back to what I said about how much they make and how they live. I am going to use say $150 HH, $200 Hr as an average of what these girls ask. The numbers for your Davina are even higher so feel free to plus her numbers into the formula I am going to give you using my numbers. It will prove my case even more. The girls we are talking about post every day or at least a few times a week. So they are probably seeing guys just about every day. They have enough people who know them that they may only need to post a few times a week. But they will post multiple times a day when they really need their fix. Your friend Davina is a perfect example of that. But I will say they are seeing people 5 days a week to keep my math easier for myself. Most are seeing all 7 days but I am going to keep it easy for myself.
When you see a girl you are not the only guy she is seeing that day. Let's say she sees 5 guys a day. 2 guys for 200/ hr and 3 guys for 150/ hr. You can play around and add short stays which means more guys per day or more or less of something but I think my numbers will add up to about what they make per day on average regardless of how you want to split up what kind of calls they are doing. So with my very conservative numbers she is making $850/ day tax free. Working 5 days a week she is bringing in $4,250 per week. That's $17,000 per month. That's $221,000 per year tax free. These same girls are getting social services thru the roof. Cut her calls in half and she is still making 110 k a year.
Have you seen how these girls live? They either share dumpy apartments in the hood or they live out of cheap motel rooms. Considering the cost of living around here they should be able to rent decent houses or apartments and still have tons of money to play with. Most of them have kids, that don't live with them because they are unable to care for them. The state has taken them away. So making all that money they can't even support their own kids. I don't know about you but I don't make 221 k a year tax free and still live pretty good. Most of these girls don't even have a car and when they do it is usually an older used car. Most of them don't dress well. The ones that do have one or two outfits. You think a woman making 220 k isn't going to have a ton of nice cloths? The pro escorts making thousands a day sure do, as well as nice cars and homes. Pay attention to what a girl makes and how she lives and you will know the deal.
Some girls are deeper into the addiction than others. But do the math. Plug in whatever realistic numbers you want to. The end result is not a poor girl looking to make a few bucks to get by. They make more money than us. They are perpetually broke because they need to piss it all away on their drugs.[/QUOTE]Spot on as always, brother.
[QUOTE=MorningJ;6102906]Don't know about Bing area or CNY specifically, but nationally there's a new influx of hobbyists who don't really see providers that often, maybe 1-4 times per year, and not even necessarily upscale for those few times per year. Seems like this grouping are younger and just don't pull the trigger that often. I mean, even overall I'd guess people pull the trigger left often than the impression given on forums. Active forum users are among the most active buyers. I'd cut question-askers some slack because the search function for threads isn't the best, and when providers are changing their names every 3-6 months and phone numbers aren't allowed, it's hard to know what to search to find previous reviews.[/QUOTE]I'm from CNJ and wandered to this thread because I was reading some of TG1's posts because his posts are always crystal clear and on point. As for your post here, you described me to a T. Well, except for the young part. I've been part of this hobby for about 14 months. I went to Cancun and stayed a week with a friend and a week solo. The week solo had a lot of downtime, so I tried to set something up. I got butthurt after a B&S, got gun shy, and went home with a full sack. The fire was lit, though. Since then, I've seen 4 providers and 3 of them were Asians that are probably all handled through the same person. The other was a STG ad that I was certain was legit, only to be met by someone else. The search function clearly isn't the best, but I try to answer questions when I can and as best as I can.
[QUOTE=RollingDirty;6113216]I'm not calling you out or trying to start a pissing match, but...
As someone who was born in Elmira and grew up here in Binghamton I can assure you what you are seeing on STG are addicts.
I make it a point to do as much research on a provider as possible before moving forward. I as a long time local, know most of their real names and have a lot of history on them. These aren't Vegas type escorts they are mostly street girls who found the internet and a whole new world of suckers who are willing to pay these outrageous asking prices.
I personally will not pay Vegas type money for a qlorified street girl in Binghamton. What you and the others do with your money is your business not mine.
Have fun and watch your back,
R_D[/QUOTE]Just to say, I've never paid any Bing area provider in cash. I usually pay in substances. I know there are addicts because they usually accept it. But I've had multiple providers turn it down (even when I give them multiple choices including green).
As for research, truthfully I don't want to do that level of research for every provider, and I'm not sure what doing that research does to help me. As long as I can find out that they don't rob, haven't given anyone (particularly bad) STIs, and aren't LE stings, I don't really know what the rest of that research will do for me. Do you mind telling me what the utility of all that research is for you? Maybe I'm missing something, but unless you're like, I don't know, trying to manipulate providers using info you've found about them, I just don't see the point.
I see lots of women on STG, really want to make sure my first time is enjoyable and I'm not going to fuck myself over in some sort of way. Any recommendations for a first timer? Anyone have experience with DaVina Jade? I kind of want to have them come to my place. But want to be extra careful with who I choose. Suggestions would be very much appreciated. Thank you gents.
[QUOTE=MorningJ;6126318]Just to say, I've never paid any Bing area provider in cash. I usually pay in substances. I know there are addicts because they usually accept it. But I've had multiple providers turn it down (even when I give them multiple choices including green).
As for research, truthfully I don't want to do that level of research for every provider, and I'm not sure what doing that research does to help me. As long as I can find out that they don't rob, haven't given anyone (particularly bad) STIs, and aren't LE stings, I don't really know what the rest of that research will do for me. Do you mind telling me what the utility of all that research is for you? Maybe I'm missing something, but unless you're like, I don't know, trying to manipulate providers using info you've found about them, I just don't see the point.[/QUOTE]Bro, paying in substance is the single most stupid thing you can do. You get nailed on that it's a lot bigger deal than getting busted for solicitation. These girls are dumb but they are street smart. Once you talk product you scare them away as they assume you are either a cop or are a fellow junkie who will rob them. It's how you approach it. Some of these girls say in their ad that they sell product, which is really stupid. Those are the ones who have little street smarts as well because they just told every cop where to get an easy bust. You think the police don't scan STG or maybe even here? I am sure they do and it's not for the escorting part. It's the drug part of it. The few who may exchange services for product are the lowest of the low. Those are the ones who don't care at all anymore and where you will most likely catch a bad STD or get robbed.
I don't do any of that nonsense as it's not my thing. But I assume if you have a regular that you started with the normal way she might work with you regarding product or partying together. But I figure if you are to the point of buying, selling and partying with a provider for product you are a few steps away from posting an ad yourself offering to suck dick for drug money. I don't know if you are just talking silly and have nothing but pot on you. But if you are talking the heavy stuff you are mixing that life with the wrong type of people with escorts.
As for researching escorts I will leave that to RollingDirty to explain his reasons. But personally I find value in it. I like to know who the girl is and basically let her know I know exactly who she is, what her real name is and what circles she runs in. That lets her know if she pulls any nonsense I know where to send the cops. It also builds up trust that she has normal calls with me even though I know exactly who she is and haven't pulled any nonsense. It's a reason I get good anything goes calls on the cheap from women charging up to 350/ hr for most others. I found out the $80 rollingdirty hr special does work if the girl is desperate for money AND trusts you as being a safe normal repeat client. Plus since they are all connected thru facebook you find out who all the working girls are in the area.
[QUOTE=HelloIAmnew;6126386]I see lots of women on STG, really want to make sure my first time is enjoyable and I'm not going to fuck myself over in some sort of way. Any recommendations for a first timer? Anyone have experience with DaVina Jade? I kind of want to have them come to my place. But want to be extra careful with who I choose. Suggestions would be very much appreciated. Thank you gents.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the hobby. What kind of woman are you attracted to? The sad thing is that this area has mostly garbage. What are you looking to spend? Please don't be one of these guys that will think wow she showed me a boob let me give her $500. I know some who would be a good safe first time. What age range and body type you looking for? Feel free to send me a private message.
[QUOTE=MorningJ;6126318]Just to say, I've never paid any Bing area provider in cash. I usually pay in substances. I know there are addicts because they usually accept it. But I've had multiple providers turn it down (even when I give them multiple choices including green).
As for research, truthfully I don't want to do that level of research for every provider, and I'm not sure what doing that research does to help me. As long as I can find out that they don't rob, haven't given anyone (particularly bad) STIs, and aren't LE stings, I don't really know what the rest of that research will do for me. Do you mind telling me what the utility of all that research is for you? Maybe I'm missing something, but unless you're like, I don't know, trying to manipulate providers using info you've found about them, I just don't see the point.[/QUOTE]My point is really quite simple. I would rather not walk into a sting, a robbery, or end up alone with a serial killer. There are a lot of possible scenarios involved with doing dates with desperate providers and most of them are not good.
See where I'm going with this?
[QUOTE=HelloIAmNew;6126386]I see lots of women on STG, really want to make sure my first time is enjoyable and I'm not going to fuck myself over in some sort of way. Any recommendations for a first timer? Anyone have experience with DaVina Jade? I kind of want to have them come to my place. But want to be extra careful with who I choose. Suggestions would be very much appreciated. Thank you gents.[/QUOTE]Reply sent to your PM.
Has anyone else noticed how often some of these providers like Kennedy from the creek and DaVina are posting. Seems odd for them. Might start seeing old faces creep back like Alexa and Bella soon enough.