"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

You're a braver man than me for relying on the pull out method.

Like a game of Russian Roulette. One misstep, she won't have to ever fear you leaving her for someone younger since while you might move onto another baby, she'll always be connected to you by a living child that will keep the two of you connected financially, emotionally, and mentally.

I am to much of a coward to play Russian roulette like that - and even if the round was a blank, I would get frightened by the loud noise.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2763082]You just hit it on the head. No worries about poking condoms, we got tested & stopped using them when we got serious. We rely on the pull out method only.

On a drunken night, she did express this fear of me leaving her for someone younger. Not sure why the concern this early on. She's 23. I don't foresee dropping her like a bad habit anytime soon. LOL. She gets a little bitchy sometimes. I take it as the behavior that comes with being a woman and ignore her mostly. I'm really trying to keep things as fun as possible.[/QUOTE]

My take is that different babies have different games. This one might be the type that needs a SD to drop $1. 5 k on first before she will spread her legs so she can be sure that the SD is truly invested in her. She might be the kind that is looking to land a guy for real on the site to make her own. Or as you might be pointing out, she might just be looking to score some money, spa trips and stuff off of guys who are suppossedly so rich that they won't miss a few $100 here and there.

Chances are, its probably some combination of all of the above. So at the end of the day, it sounds like she isn't worth the time, effort, or money for you since you can probably find another equally hot baby to fill her spot who will drop her panties without as much work.

Isn't the bowl a beautiful thing? We get older, they all stay the same age!

[QUOTE=FScott;2762896]Brothers,

I've just wasted almost a month trying to run a super-sweet little baby to ground, and have come to realize that she is just looking to scam SDs out of spa visits, meals and other swag, with no intention of removing her panties. She is constantly on the site so I am guessing I am not the only one she has tried to run her scam on.

Any Chicago-based members out there, PM me and I'll share her profile name and link. Luckily, I've spent too long in the Bowl to have fallen for her ploys, but newer club members may not be so canny.

Keep up the good work.

Scott.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MathMan;2761558]Hello sugar daddies.

Around Christmas I answered an ad on Craigslist.

Turns out she wants a sugar daddy. Thinking I'd just play along and nothing would ever come of it we start this email conversation. We then spoke on the phone. And she has sent me a ton of pics of herself, both clothed and naked. To be honest I'm starting to crush on this girl. She is asking me to come by her house all the time now.

What are the rules of engagement? We have never spoken money other than the one time she said she needed a SD. How do I know if I'm one of many guys she's playing? I have face pics and her cell number and email address. Is there a place I can display this info and everyone can see if she's known to the board?

She lives in Glen Alen off of Gaskins Rd in a very, very nice house with her "brothers". What do I do??[/QUOTE]Thanks for the alert Mathman! I appreciate the heads-up and, thanks to you, realize that I have a UTR on my hands that might soon become Nando1 if she hasn't already. In fact, she may have already graduated to FB and be well above the radar as far as I know. If anyone that's been with her would like to compare notes, please PM me.

Thanks again Mathman for bringing this to our attention.

Ok, so I know these girls post pics with their lips pursed in an attempt to make their lips look fuller, but more often than not I can't help but think it looks like they are trying to smell their upper lip.

Just saying.

I have been on SA for a third time. Not sure if anyone else is seeing this but I am getting random SA girls giving me access to their photos without me having contacted them. They.

Also live very far away. I am guessing these are spammers. This site is going down hill fast! Between the huge increase in pros now this, what the hell is going on.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2764783]I have been on SA for a third time. Not sure if anyone else is seeing this but I am getting random SA girls giving me access to their photos without me having contacted them. They.

Also live very far away. I am guessing these are spammers. This site is going down hill fast! Between the huge increase in pros now this, what the hell is going on.[/QUOTE]Meh. I've been seeing this for some time. Still plenty of beautiful babies out there.

Near Boston there is a baby named "sexy" on SA. Her profile is direct, and she is even more direct in her communication. Her private pics will show you everything you need to know. She's thin and looks good in her birthday suit. I found her leather gear quite fetching. Her expectations start at $400. I declined for the moment which sometimes triggers strong reactions from babies, but she remained very pleasant via txt. If only there was the hint of a review I might take the plunge. I asked for some but she offered none. Oh well.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2764783]I have been on SA for a third time. Not sure if anyone else is seeing this but I am getting random SA girls giving me access to their photos without me having contacted them. They.

Also live very far away. I am guessing these are spammers. This site is going down hill fast! Between the huge increase in pros now this, what the hell is going on.[/QUOTE]A lot of the girls doing this are cam girls. If you thank them for the access to the pics they usually respond right back and invite you to a show.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2762927]Tried to break up with her and all Hell broke loose?

Now that's a story that should be shared for the collective wisdom of the bowl and one I'd enjoy hearing.
[/QUOTE]Break up fight started after I vented about her early 20's behavior. She'd party with her friends and be out late. The standard rationing of sex when in a LTR. I told her I have other options and don't need to stick around for this. Told her I'd be out by morning and leaving for a few months. Wished her good luck.

She responded by throwing my car keys into the street. Dropping my cell phone in the toilet and bleaching some business suits. As I was trying to restrain her she complained I was being "too aggressive". She then broke down crying and saying how much she loved me and how she didn't want me to leave her. It was the first time I saw any emotion out of her. Strangely we've been closer since this incident. She's like a Stepford Wife now.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2765199]Break up fight started after I vented about her early 20's behavior. She'd party with her friends and be out late. The standard rationing of sex when in a LTR. I told her I have other options and don't need to stick around for this. Told her I'd be out by morning and leaving for a few months. Wished her good luck.

She responded by throwing my car keys into the street. Dropping my cell phone in the toilet and bleaching some business suits. As I was trying to restrain her she complained I was being "too aggressive". She then broke down crying and saying how much she loved me and how she didn't want me to leave her. It was the first time I saw any emotion out of her. Strangely we've been closer since this incident. She's like a Stepford Wife now.[/QUOTE]Probably good to phase her out. You have seen the tip of the iceberg only. These girls want their cake and eat it too. Daddy keeps them in cash. But they want to play with their peer group as well. This is why living with a generation gap is probably not a good idea. If you only saw her once / twice / week you would never witness this behavior. So now you have to add the cost of replacing your suits, phone, etc to her overall CPO. We have SO s for this kind of BS --but I guess she is an SO.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2764500]Ok, so I know these girls post pics with their lips pursed in an attempt to make their lips look fuller, but more often than not I can't help but think it looks like they are trying to smell their upper lip.

Just saying.[/QUOTE]It is called the duckface. I was talking about this the other day with my SB. Apparently, young women thing it is cute or makes them look attractive. I think they are advertising they have good DSL.

Wikipedia: A 2015 study found that people posting duck face pictures are more likely to be associated with neuroticism and emotional instability. According to a study by the online dating site OkCupid, users expressed more interest towards women whose profile pictures showed a duck face pose, as opposed to a smile.

Holy shit!!

She sounds like she is behaving like a wife, she is getting her way by throwing temper tantrums and letting you get close to her. You might as well get a permanent set up man!! I thought we are in this fot No Strings attached fun relationship. I care about them and mean well for them but not as much as them controlling my life. Feel sorry for you man. Good luck, I think it is time for you to move on and find another one.

My two cents.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2765199]Break up fight started after I vented about her early 20's behavior. She'd party with her friends and be out late. The standard rationing of sex when in a LTR. I told her I have other options and don't need to stick around for this. Told her I'd be out by morning and leaving for a few months. Wished her good luck.

She responded by throwing my car keys into the street. Dropping my cell phone in the toilet and bleaching some business suits. As I was trying to restrain her she complained I was being "too aggressive". She then broke down crying and saying how much she loved me and how she didn't want me to leave her. It was the first time I saw any emotion out of her. Strangely we've been closer since this incident. She's like a Stepford Wife now.[/QUOTE]

Ok. I know your are tiring but I am looooooving my new SB now that we have finally been making it count. Had a great luncht ime visit the other day. Massage. Then "dessert" . Damn I love going down on her!. She gets off a couple times and says. " I bet you want to fuck me now that I am wet for you". I say nawwwww. Not really. LOL. RIGHT. I am up on my knees. She bridges her hips and works that pu swa. Looks at me and says' Do you like that with this little quirky sinful grin!. Grab her ankles open her up and tell her how I love f and her puswa. Filp it. Doggie. Pull some hair. Grab ankles and break it down and pound. Flip mount up and pound. And start with pulling her head back with one hand and start testing her neck with the other. Annnnnnd yup. SHE LIKES to be choked. Swwwwing!. Pound harder and say. I want to COF. She says what are you waiting for. POP. Ahhhh lay back and revel in a great afternoon. This will all bite me as all SBs do at some point but for now SWWWWWWING. And my CTF is about $750 now of getting better!

I thought I was spending too much!! Yikes!!

I get pretty much same thing and come out with 3 to 400 max. Any others agree with me?

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2765934]Ok. I know your are tiring but I am looooooving my new SB now that we have finally been making it count. Had a great luncht ime visit the other day. Massage. Then "dessert" . Damn I love going down on her!. She gets off a couple times and says. " I bet you want to fuck me now that I am wet for you". I say nawwwww. Not really. LOL. RIGHT. I am up on my knees. She bridges her hips and works that pu swa. Looks at me and says' Do you like that with this little quirky sinful grin!. Grab her ankles open her up and tell her how I love f and her puswa. Filp it. Doggie. Pull some hair. Grab ankles and break it down and pound. Flip mount up and pound. And start with pulling her head back with one hand and start testing her neck with the other. Annnnnnd yup. SHE LIKES to be choked. Swwwwing!. Pound harder and say. I want to COF. She says what are you waiting for. POP. Ahhhh lay back and revel in a great afternoon. This will all bite me as all SBs do at some point but for now SWWWWWWING. And my CTF is about $750 now of getting better![/QUOTE]

Anybody else seem to get alot more attention on SA within the last two days before your membership expires? Does the site advertise your profile more heavily so you will renew? I got a flurry of SB's messaging me in the last 48 hours. Now my membership is expired and I am working on the promising leads.

Yesterday, I had a meet and greet for lunch with a 19 year old Asian. She hinted right off the bat that she was down to fuck. I could have taken it to the FC right then, but did not like her face. She obviously was trying to impress me, but ended up looking like an Asian circus clown. Makeup was two different tones and looked ridiculous. Mascara was splashed on top of her cheeks. Lip stick was applied twice the size of her lips. There was a little hair on the arch above her lips, that needed to be waxed. If she was this sloppy with her looks, I was worried her pussy would be like two week old sashimi. She told me "her last daddy gave her 400 per meet", but she would only ask I do 250-300. I just could not see dropping cash on this Nando1, when I have so many good options to pursue. She must be attracted to me because she keeps lighting up my phone. I am sure some daddy will take her for a rodeo because she is young and oriental. There are alot of guys out there with teen and rice fetishes.

I met a 22 year old white girl later on at a hotel lounge. We hit it off really well. She is really sweet and down to earth; she will make a good wife and mother for some guy some day. We went up to my hotel room and the clothes came peeling off. We fucked for two hours. She was naturally wet and really enjoyed herself. I gave her a donation of $$ She didn't count it or even seem to care. This one is not all about the money and will be a mainstay of SDX's rotation. I am still sore from the sex 24 hours later.

Tonight I will be meeting a 24 year old white girl at the bar for a M&G. I am hoping to get her in the FC. I will report more tomorrow.

Sometimes the bowl is a drought, but when it rains, it pours.

I need to clarify. You may of missed the rest of the story. Short version here. Hand picked girl been watching for 2 years. Not on a site looking for a SD. Spent 2. 5 mths meeting with her and helping her at that time w / o panties on the floor. So when we first had a FC engagement I was in for maybe 2 k. But now that we have had a number of FC engagements my CTF is going down. I have her on a regular allowance about 200 wk. We see each other 1-2 x a week. It was more of the upfront investment that has driven the CTF so high but decreases now each time we meet. More details if you care to search my posts.

[QUOTE=S2568;2765942]I thought I was spending too much!! Yikes!!

I get pretty much same thing and come out with 3 to 400 max. Any others agree with me?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;2765998]Anybody else seem to get alot more attention on SA within the last two days before your membership expires? Does the site advertise your profile more heavily so you will renew? I got a flurry of SB's messaging me in the last 48 hours. Now my membership is expired and I am working on the promising leads.

Yesterday, I had a meet and greet for lunch with a 19 year old Asian. She hinted right off the bat that she was down to fuck. I could have taken it to the FC right then, but did not like her face. She obviously was trying to impress me, but ended up looking like an Asian circus clown. Makeup was two different tones and looked ridiculous. Mascara was splashed on top of her cheeks. Lip stick was applied twice the size of her lips. There was a little hair on the arch above her lips, that needed to be waxed. If she was this sloppy with her looks, I was worried her pussy would be like two week old sashimi. She told me "her last daddy gave her 400 per meet", but she would only ask I do 250-300. I just could not see dropping cash on this Nando1, when I have so many good options to pursue. She must be attracted to me because she keeps lighting up my phone. I am sure some daddy will take her for a rodeo because she is young and oriental. There are alot of guys out there with teen and rice fetishes.

I met a 22 year old white girl later on at a hotel lounge. We hit it off really well. She is really sweet and down to earth; she will make a good wife and mother for some guy some day. We went up to my hotel room and the clothes came peeling off. We fucked for two hours. She was naturally wet and really enjoyed herself. I gave her a donation of $$ She didn't count it or even seem to care. This one is not all about the money and will be a mainstay of SDX's rotation. I am still sore from the sex 24 hours later.

Tonight I will be meeting a 24 year old white girl at the bar for a M&G. I am hoping to get her in the FC. I will report more tomorrow.

Sometimes the bowl is a drought, but when it rains, it pours.[/QUOTE]The 24 year old white girl flaked on me. At 9:15 pm at night she sends me a message that she is eating dinner and will text me when she was done. I never got a follow up text from here. This SB is a compulsive instagram user, meaning she is posting pictures of herself and her location every couple hours. She is unaware that I know her real name and her instagram account. I see she actually posted on instagram that she had dinner three hours prior. Later pictures she posted that night showed her and her ugly friend with an awkward looking guy. My guess is that she stacked a bunch of SD's for M&G's on this particular night and blew me off when her and her friend found a sucker to buy them dinner and drinks all night.

The Asian clown keeps texting me about meeting. This chick is so Nando1. I told her specifically what I had going on the next few days, yet she still lights up my phone thinking I do absolutely nothing all day. I guess when I talk it goes in one ear and out the other, unless it is about an allowance. I am going to have to block her, there is just too much quality out there. She will end up an UTR.

I also had a hot 19 year old Hispanic girl I was chatting with daily. She said on her profile that she was looking for platonic only, but might be open to more. I was going to set this one up as a challenge to see if I could be pounding the pink after about a month by using my charm to disarm her. Getting some nice tight puss that hasn't been ran through by other SD's would be a nice prize. She went radio silent after a few days of texting when I talked about a M&G, so I guess she is on there to play games.

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2766657]I need to clarify. You may of missed the rest of the story. Short version here. Hand picked girl been watching for 2 years. Not on a site looking for a SD. Spent 2. 5 mths meeting with her and helping her at that time w / o panties on the floor. So when we first had a FC engagement I was in for maybe 2 k. But now that we have had a number of FC engagements my CTF is going down. I have her on a regular allowance about 200 wk. We see each other 1-2 x a week. It was more of the upfront investment that has driven the CTF so high but decreases now each time we meet. More details if you care to search my posts.[/QUOTE]I've been seeing a 21 year old college student for 4-5 months. The allowance per visit is $$. However, we usually see a movie and go to dinner before heading to my place. So the actual cost is usually around $$ I love it when the waiter asks for her driver's license when she orders a glass of wine.

[QUOTE=MulchMan;2770142]I love it when the waiter asks for her driver's license when she orders a glass of wine.[/QUOTE]How does she feel when the ticket seller at the movie theatre asks you if you want the Senior Discount?

So recently I've been flirting it up pretty good with a couple of different bartenders, the thought occurred to me that either of these young ladies would make.

Perfect sugar babies. Since I'm in a relationship (ring included) and significantly older (20+ years) than these girls, the idea of making a straight.

"lets go out" move just fly's in the face of reality. I would love to hear from anyone with experience with broaching this sensitive subject.

For that matter any help or real life experience stories about moving into a UTR or sugar baby relationship that didn't originate from a baby site would be.

Helpful.

Yes I stand corrected, I have been seeing this beauty who I missed last week due to that time of the month. Well saw her middle of last week, WOW!! She was in heat after the hormonal surge it was clear she was not making an excuse, thoroughly enjoyed the session. Unfortunately she lost her job now, sounds like she is solely dependent on me. I am always looking for new prospects but I really would not mind to keep this one for a while.

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2766657]I need to clarify. You may of missed the rest of the story. Short version here. Hand picked girl been watching for 2 years. Not on a site looking for a SD. Spent 2. 5 mths meeting with her and helping her at that time w / o panties on the floor. So when we first had a FC engagement I was in for maybe 2 k. But now that we have had a number of FC engagements my CTF is going down. I have her on a regular allowance about 200 wk. We see each other 1-2 x a week. It was more of the upfront investment that has driven the CTF so high but decreases now each time we meet. More details if you care to search my posts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SouthShoreAlex;2770535]So recently I've been flirting it up pretty good with a couple of different bartenders, the thought occurred to me that either of these young ladies would make.

Perfect sugar babies. Since I'm in a relationship (ring included) and significantly older (20+ years) than these girls, the idea of making a straight.

"lets go out" move just fly's in the face of reality. I would love to hear from anyone with experience with broaching this sensitive subject.

For that matter any help or real life experience stories about moving into a UTR or sugar baby relationship that didn't originate from a baby site would be.

Helpful.[/QUOTE]JeezLizard is the most experienced PUA that I recall on this Board. If he is still lurking he would be the best to talk to. He no longer posts -at least in a while. Drunks trying to pickup the cute barmaid is a cliche'. You will be one of many I'm sure . OTOH ,if you have private time with her and have gotten to know her a little I would just come right out and ask her . Ask if she knows what a SB is. If she says yes, then ask if she would ever consider being one . If she says yes then you are golden to make your pitch. You can meet her for a drink after work and educate her. If she says no ,then see if she wants to know . Then you can educate and pitch her .

SugarDaddyX-I would not waste your time trying to convert a Platonic. The likelihood of success is slim and your money / efforts would be better spent elsewhere.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2770637],if you have private time with her and have gotten to know her a little I would just come right out and ask her . Ask if she knows what a SB is. If she says yes, then ask if she would ever consider being one . If she says yes then you are golden to make your pitch. You can meet her for a drink after work and educate her. If she says no ,then see if she wants to know . Then you can educate and pitch her.[/QUOTE]Don't bring up the term SB. Why be ring allowances or p4 p into it at all?

Think of it as dating, but no real "dates" will be forthcoming -- just shagging. Get her out of the workplace -- invite her to lunch. Broad daylight, nicer place than she can probably afford. Get to know her. Find out what her situation is (I know a smokin' hot chick that bartends one night a month because she knows she can make $500 in tips, easy. Drunks over tipping hot bartenders is the BIGGEST cliche) -- she may not need cash, so the idea of bringing up sugar opens a door you may not need to open. Maybe she knows what an SB is and thinks they are ****** -- don't insult her.

Maybe she doesn't want to be a bar tender any longer, but does not know how to make the transition, needs help with her college applications, or maybe would need support to give up a lucrative gig that is not long term viable anyway so she can start taking classes.

The key to any negotiation is finding out what the other party values, then providing it at a cost to you lower than the value to them.

A $2,000 purse is wasted on a girl who can't afford a $200 one, but she will be over the moon appreciative of a $200 purse as a gift. Means little to you, means the world to them (as in yes you can give me anal for the first time world).

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2770318]How does she feel when the ticket seller at the movie theatre asks you if you want the Senior Discount?[/QUOTE]Ouch! That was a good one. LMAO. Fortunately I can purchase the movie tickets online using Fandango.

Does she know your real identity? If so will that be an issue?. Can you walk away from ever going to that location again if things go wrong?? Just some thoughts.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2770637]JeezLizard is the most experienced PUA that I recall on this Board. If he is still lurking he would be the best to talk to. He no longer posts -at least in a while. Drunks trying to pickup the cute barmaid is a cliche'. You will be one of many I'm sure . OTOH ,if you have private time with her and have gotten to know her a little I would just come right out and ask her . Ask if she knows what a SB is. If she says yes, then ask if she would ever consider being one . If she says yes then you are golden to make your pitch. You can meet her for a drink after work and educate her. If she says no ,then see if she wants to know . Then you can educate and pitch her .

SugarDaddyX-I would not waste your time trying to convert a Platonic. The likelihood of success is slim and your money / efforts would be better spent elsewhere.[/QUOTE]

Great advice here without being condescending. Figuring out what makes her tick is key.

As an aside, two trades that I've found are tough to crack are bartenders and strippers. Most of these ladies make a living off selling the idea of sex with them.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2770787]Don't bring up the term SB. Why be ring allowances or p4 p into it at all?

Think of it as dating, but no real "dates" will be forthcoming -- just shagging. Get her out of the workplace -- invite her to lunch. Broad daylight, nicer place than she can probably afford. Get to know her. Find out what her situation is (I know a smokin' hot chick that bartends one night a month because she knows she can make $500 in tips, easy. Drunks over tipping hot bartenders is the BIGGEST cliche) -- she may not need cash, so the idea of bringing up sugar opens a door you may not need to open. Maybe she knows what an SB is and thinks they are ****** -- don't insult her.

Maybe she doesn't want to be a bar tender any longer, but does not know how to make the transition, needs help with her college applications, or maybe would need support to give up a lucrative gig that is not long term viable anyway so she can start taking classes.

The key to any negotiation is finding out what the other party values, then providing it at a cost to you lower than the value to them.

A $2,000 purse is wasted on a girl who can't afford a $200 one, but she will be over the moon appreciative of a $200 purse as a gift. Means little to you, means the world to them (as in yes you can give me anal for the first time world).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SouthShoreAlex;2770535]So recently I've been flirting it up pretty good with a couple of different bartenders, the thought occurred to me that either of these young ladies would make.

Perfect sugar babies. Since I'm in a relationship (ring included) and significantly older (20+ years) than these girls, the idea of making a straight.

"lets go out" move just fly's in the face of reality. I would love to hear from anyone with experience with broaching this sensitive subject.

For that matter any help or real life experience stories about moving into a UTR or sugar baby relationship that didn't originate from a baby site would be.

Helpful.[/QUOTE]The title of this post caught my eye. I have tried this with several "friends" of friends. Hot chicks that like to flaunt their stuff on facebook and they like to post those memes talking about getting paid and what not for their peice of a $$. 9. 99 times out of 10 they are full of sh at t! It appears some girls want to talk the big stuff until confronted. I'm almost 50 and I am at the point in life where I just come right out and say it. " don't be offended but are you up for getting paid for sex" or something along that nature depends on how well I know them. I think alot of young girls "like" the idea of it but when it comes up in reality they freak out.

On the other hand I have approached middle age women with the "can we have an affair" and damned if that doesn't work! Age difference I suppose. I prefer the middle aged to the younger ones anyway they just know how to screw better and appreciate, until you mess up and get a psychotic one.

I am pretty sure hoyasvnfgr's set up is already "permanent" since she is a live in SO who met him off SA.

It also sounds like he is / was looking for something more than NSA fun.

While I think her behavior is a little crazy, his story is what brings these girls to the site in droves: I. E. SB, bragging to her friends about meeting a rich successful daddy off the site.

[QUOTE=S2568;2765933]Holy shit!!

She sounds like she is behaving like a wife, she is getting her way by throwing temper tantrums and letting you get close to her. You might as well get a permanent set up man!! I thought we are in this fot No Strings attached fun relationship. I care about them and mean well for them but not as much as them controlling my life. Feel sorry for you man. Good luck, I think it is time for you to move on and find another one.

My two cents.[/QUOTE]

There is a couple on SA, if you want to know PM me, be warned these two or more in to each other than you, will milk you as much as they can and leave you dry.

Don't waste your time or money. Gave them a try for a while and did not get anything out of it but some nudes pics. There aren't many on there any way you can easily guess who they are.

S2568.

Saw a girl today from SA, seen her a very long time ago during the glory days of avex and *********. Will be seeing her more often in the future. Went like, military boycame home after a long away from home and pleasures of life.

Some of you who have been in this for a while will recognize her if you know the name, still goes with the same and profile picture too.

[QUOTE=S2568;2772400]Saw a girl today from SA, seen her a very long time ago during the glory days of avex and *********. Will be seeing her more often in the future. Went like, military boycame home after a long away from home and pleasures of life.

Some of you who have been in this for a while will recognize her if you know the name, still goes with the same and profile picture too.[/QUOTE]Sorry my brother, but how is this in the least bit helpful to anyone? Are you warning us, or touting her? It's just all a bit too vague for this old timer.

[QUOTE=SouthShoreAlex;2770535]So recently I've been flirting it up pretty good with a couple of different bartenders, the thought occurred to me that either of these young ladies would make perfect sugar babies. Since I'm in a relationship (ring included) and significantly older (20+ years) than these girls, the idea of making a straight. "lets go out" move just fly's in the face of reality. I would love to hear from anyone with experience with broaching this sensitive subject.
For that matter any help or real life experience stories about moving into a UTR or sugar baby relationship that didn't originate from a baby site would be helpful.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2770637]JeezLizard is the most experienced PUA that I recall on this Board. If he is still lurking he would be the best to talk to. He no longer posts -at least in a while. Drunks trying to pickup the cute barmaid is a cliche'. You will be one of many I'm sure . OTOH ,if you have private time with her and have gotten to know her a little I would just come right out and ask her . Ask if she knows what a SB is. If she says yes, then ask if she would ever consider being one . If she says yes then you are golden to make your pitch. You can meet her for a drink after work and educate her. If she says no ,then see if she wants to know . Then you can educate and pitch her .
[/QUOTE]I sometimes scan posts but almost never read entire posts unless something catches my eye (as the moniker reference above did), and as you said just don't post anymore. I just got to a point where it seemed like all the important things had been said and archived, so it didn't seem like an effective use of time. However, I don't think I ever discussed opinions about bartenders as SBs, so. Why not.

I see bartenders as no good for SBs *if* you meet them at their place of work. There are some important reasons bartending differs from other server industry jobs -- they are more invested in their actual skillset than for example a stripper, waitress or hostess. Some states require certification, and even in states that don't require it they usually are certified and trained to do their job. This means they are less transient in their jobs, and often work at the same place for years at a time. Their job is a bit more authoritative in nature than the others (they become sort of like babysitters or lifeguards for the drunks), and this tends to bring out the maturity factor and sense of responsibility in them (or perhaps draw that kind of person to the job role). They often make better money than a typical server, and they are in an intentionally non-sexual role (unlike a stripper). That said, I have met bartenders on SB websites before, so yes there are some who would like to upgrade their lifestyle, it's just that approaching them at work is probably working against you in more cases than not.

If you have a bartender that you think is sending strong vibes (it definitely does happen, sometimes they just like you and you'll see the difference in how they treat you vs. Other customers) then by all means pursue it if you don't have other reasons not to. I've had this happen to me in the past, and the only reason I didn't follow up on the opportunities was because it always seemed to happen at some of my favorite haunts. I didn't want to date an employee of bars that I regularly went to and hooked up with random women, because regardless of whether things went well or not she's always going to be there behind the bar while I'm trying to operate. I felt the same way about dating waitresses at some of these places -- no matter how strong they came on I would avoid if it was a place I liked to keep going back to. The number of random women coming through the doors of the places was always many times greater and offered far better variety than the same set of bartenders or waitresses at any given place, no matter how hot they were.

As far as to how to test the waters to see if a girl can be flipped to an SB, just bring up the subject of arrangements with her in a way that doesn't involve her directly. As you're talking, you're trying to read her to see what pushes her buttons (sometimes none of it does but you don't know until you try), then if she starts responding positively you start working your way more toward the idea of trying something between the two of you. I wouldn't directly suggest going out, because that makes it too personal and requires her to think about the idea of genuine fondness for you if it sounds like a date. Gravitating the conversation toward the concept of an arrangement seems is less risky, it implies a NSA just for fun sort of thing where you both get what you want then part ways. What works (or whether it works at all) is different for every girl (and even your own personal style of dealing with them). Strip clubs are good for practicing this, simply because of the sheer number of opportunities per hour. Note I didn't say it's a good place to find an SB, unless she's already used to doing takeout, strippers are tough. But they are good for sharpening the dialog, and because they are so difficult to get what you want it makes you better when dealing with everyone else (because non strippers will seem less challenging by comparison). It's just salesmanship at the end of it all, and rejection is a part of it. The goal is to reduce the frequency of rejection to the point that you've always got a stream of multiple projects in flux, not to try to eliminate rejection entirely.

I decided to change my location in my profile on SA to a much larger southern city to see how different the activity was.

In less than 12 hours I received nearly 20 messages. Half were from girls reaching out to me after seeing I viewed their profile and the other half were from girls I had not even viewed. Very aggressive! 5 provided contact information in their opening message. Some even opening up with "let's meet, here is my number. ". Clearly a lot of pros and UTR's, but several that seem much more of a true SB nature.

My home territory is much smaller with fewer SBs in the area, and only a few new ones of interest every week. I almost always initiate the contact by messaging them first. I have a pretty high hit rate, but need too because the options are limited.

It's clear the bowl varies greatly by location. I will update if anything interesting comes of it.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2774474]I decided to change my location in my profile on SA to a much larger southern city to see how different the activity was.

In less than 12 hours I received nearly 20 messages. Half were from girls reaching out to me after seeing I viewed their profile and the other half were from girls I had not even viewed. Very aggressive! 5 provided contact information in their opening message. Some even opening up with "let's meet, here is my number. ". Clearly a lot of pros and UTR's, but several that seem much more of a true SB nature.

My home territory is much smaller with fewer SBs in the area, and only a few new ones of interest every week. I almost always initiate the contact by messaging them first. I have a pretty high hit rate, but need too because the options are limited.

It's clear the bowl varies greatly by location. I will update if anything interesting comes of it.[/QUOTE]Location is everything, works the same for the girl who is stuck in the middle of nowhere unless your willing to travel or pay to bring her to you.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2771671]I am pretty sure hoyasvnfgr's set up is already "permanent" since she is a live in SO who met him off SA.

It also sounds like he is / was looking for something more than NSA fun.

While I think her behavior is a little crazy, his story is what brings these girls to the site in droves: I. E. SB, bragging to her friends about meeting a rich successful daddy off the site.[/QUOTE]Shit happens. I whored in The Bowl so greatly that I grew tired. My situation is more amusing than anything. Between divorce and an SB, I learned more about the nature of women in this last year than anything. I got back in the hunt recently to soften the blow if things go south with my SB / SO.

As soon as I'm getting interest from POTS, my girl hits me with this talk about "our relationship isn't about $$ Don't buy me high dollar items anymore". I swear women have internal radar when you're starting to chat up other women. She still wants the relationship, but doesn't want to feel controlled by my money. I don't know what to make out of this, but if anything I've learned to never get oneitis and always keep one foot in the game.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2774222]I sometimes scan posts but almost never read entire posts unless something catches my eye (as the moniker reference above did), and as you said just don't post anymore. I just got to a point where it seemed like all the important things had been said and archived, so it didn't seem like an effective use of time. However, I don't think I ever discussed opinions about bartenders as SBs, so. Why not.

I see bartenders as no good for SBs *if* you meet them at their place of work. There are some important reasons bartending differs from other server industry jobs -- they are more invested in their actual skillset than for example a stripper, waitress or hostess. Some states require certification, and even in states that don't require it they usually are certified and trained to do their job. This means they are less transient in their jobs, and often work at the same place for years at a time. Their job is a bit more authoritative in nature than the others (they become sort of like babysitters or lifeguards for the drunks), and this tends to bring out the maturity factor and sense of responsibility in them (or perhaps draw that kind of person to the job role). They often make better money than a typical server, and they are in an intentionally non-sexual role (unlike a stripper). That said, I have met bartenders on SB websites before, so yes there are some who would like to upgrade their lifestyle, it's just that approaching them at work is probably working against you in more cases than not.

If you have a bartender that you think is sending strong vibes (it definitely does happen, sometimes they just like you and you'll see the difference in how they treat you vs. Other customers) then by all means pursue it if you don't have other reasons not to. I've had this happen to me in the past, and the only reason I didn't follow up on the opportunities was because it always seemed to happen at some of my favorite haunts. I didn't want to date an employee of bars that I regularly went to and hooked up with random women, because regardless of whether things went well or not she's always going to be there behind the bar while I'm trying to operate. I felt the same way about dating waitresses at some of these places -- no matter how strong they came on I would avoid if it was a place I liked to keep going back to. The number of random women coming through the doors of the places was always many times greater and offered far better variety than the same set of bartenders or waitresses at any given place, no matter how hot they were.

As far as to how to test the waters to see if a girl can be flipped to an SB, just bring up the subject of arrangements with her in a way that doesn't involve her directly. As you're talking, you're trying to read her to see what pushes her buttons (sometimes none of it does but you don't know until you try), then if she starts responding positively you start working your way more toward the idea of trying something between the two of you. I wouldn't directly suggest going out, because that makes it too personal and requires her to think about the idea of genuine fondness for you if it sounds like a date. Gravitating the conversation toward the concept of an arrangement seems is less risky, it implies a NSA just for fun sort of thing where you both get what you want then part ways. What works (or whether it works at all) is different for every girl (and even your own personal style of dealing with them). Strip clubs are good for practicing this, simply because of the sheer number of opportunities per hour. Note I didn't say it's a good place to find an SB, unless she's already used to doing takeout, strippers are tough. But they are good for sharpening the dialog, and because they are so difficult to get what you want it makes you better when dealing with everyone else (because non strippers will seem less challenging by comparison). It's just salesmanship at the end of it all, and rejection is a part of it. The goal is to reduce the frequency of rejection to the point that you've always got a stream of multiple projects in flux, not to try to eliminate rejection entirely.[/QUOTE]Thanks for well thought out response, I'm sure it took time to compose and I appreciate it. Good hunting Bro's.

[QUOTE=SouthShoreAlex;2776278]Thanks for well thought out response, I'm sure it took time to compose and I appreciate it. Good hunting Bro's.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the note, although it might not have been quite that praiseworthy (I tap things out quickly -- line of work requires me to both assimilate and produce lots of text quickly) -- all I can say is thank god for the ability to revise / edit posts (otherwise it would have been a grammatical mess). If you've got a good bartender in your crosshairs, don't let anecdotal stories discourage you. If the timing was right I'd fuck a mail carrier on my front porch in broad daylight if she were hot enough. It's just they rarely meet the standard.

So I've been weighing a couple of local POTs. Found a very cute and smart younger girl, with her own place, conveniently located, and a great curvy body that I love. After a couple of dates we generally had decent chemistry so we started talking arrangement and for the first time I decided to buy in to a monthly allowance. 5, which seemed reasonable given how often I could see her (she's always free afternoons / evenings). Last night we met, and decided to get it going on. Both made out and stripped down, and she proceeded to give me a pretty amazing blowjob. And she was pretty pleased with herself. Swallowed and everything. Then I went to return the favor and she brushed me off. She explained that only she can get herself off. I am pretty sure she's just too young to know better but I don't feel like forcing myself in her. Making my woman cum. Early and often. Is a huge part of what I love to do. So I'm pretty sure that this is not a long term thing. Question is, what do I do:

- walk away and chalk it up to an educational experience.

- continue to see her a couple more times (since I've arguably paid for a month) and then call it off.

- try my hand at teaching her.

I've got at least one other serious POT who is a little less convenient but with whom I have fantastic chemistry. And plenty of other one-off options that are sexually compatible (and lots of fun). I know some of you have talked about training a girl, but here she seems to be set in her ways.

[QUOTE=Visual800;2771667]...
On the other hand I have approached middle age women with the "can we have an affair" and damned if that doesn't work! Age difference I suppose. I prefer the middle aged to the younger ones anyway they just know how to screw better and appreciate, until you mess up and get a psychotic one.[/QUOTE]Being married prevents me from going out and meeting women so other than AshMad where else can I find women who are just looking for a fling.

I'm a little tired of always having to pay for sex! And want to find a woman / en (I've always preferred older women anyway and now I'm old myself!) in a similar situation.

Please PM if this board prevents posting of site names.

Been lurking here on the Richmond board for sometime seeing that it's much more active than the DC / NoVA one. Especially enjoy the reports and tips from experienced members.

I am new to the sugar bowl and am learning the ropes. Been mostly on SA with lots of messages from potentials of all ages and races. However the one common thing is the ridiculous amount of money these women are demanding.

College girls who I wouldn't rate more than 6/7 overall demanding $400/ meeting. 20's /30's women, some divorced, some with kids, asking for $2500/ month. Just the other day a 6/7 divorced woman with one kid, actually wrote: "Financially, I am looking for $2,000/ month to start. Am willing to negotiate as we don't know each other just yet. I would like to meet in upscale hotels with a meal and drinks beforehand. ".

It's enough to make me throw in the towel after 2 months on SA. I'm trying the HollywoodGuy 5-step communication approach but it's too early to report results.

Any other Richmond or NoVA folks with similar experiences? How do you guys deal with these outrageous expectations? (I am married and a cheap bastard. I routinely tell these women I will pay $ per meeting. No luck yet. Wondering if I should bump up to $. 5) I guess I want a champagne lifestyle on a beer budget, LOL.