Massage Parlor Reports

Took the drive to Q last week after reading some reviews and that place blows away anything in this area! I drew Mina and right from the start she was sweet and playful. Probably early thirties with a phenomenal body. Started with a TS which did not disappoint. Not only was I clean from head to toe but extra attention to the important areas. Lots of teasing and then on to the sauna to finish drying off and relax for 10. The massage itself was average but again almost a constant tease. She asked if we were doing everything and when I replied in the affirmative she started with a slow caress and kissing my body up and down until she got to where she wanted. Let's just say her tongue is very talented. FS and beyond $$. I may not even bother with the local nonsense after that. Just to make sure I wasn't completely jaded by the area "talent" I tried Luna at Moon again and it sucked. Just my opinion. Enjoy.

Took the drive to Q last week after reading some reviews and that place blows away anything in this area! I drew Mina and right from the start she was sweet and playful. Probably early thirties with a phenomenal body. Started with a TS which did not disappoint. Not only was I clean from head to toe but extra attention to the important areas. Lots of teasing and then on to the sauna to finish drying off and relax for 10. The massage itself was average but again almost a constant tease. She asked if we were doing everything and when I replied in the affirmative she started with a slow caress and kissing my body up and down until she got to where she wanted. Let's just say her tongue is very talented. FS and beyond $$. I may not even bother with the local nonsense after that. Just to make sure I wasn't completely jaded by the area "talent" I tried Luna at Moon again and it sucked. Just my opinion. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=RubaDubdub01;5796951]Stopped by a location near my work that has a well reviewed masseuse. Greeted by nice youngish lady ("why") that I have not seen before-I asked if "X" was available and her sweet demeanor changed, not mean just changed. She asked why does everyone ask for "X", I said she gives a good massage and we have fun. "why" says I give you good massage too. In the room she asked about asking for "X" again, asking if I always see her, I replied yes. I'm guessing I wasn't the first person that day to ask for "X", she was clearly put out by it. She gave a decent massage, not the worse and not the best-but she kept asking if that was good all during, a little annoying. Nice pre flip tease, soft finger touch, reach under and tug the boys some and tug on jr some, very nice pre flip tease but again, she would lean in and whisper is that good? Turn over-nice soft finger touch all over (don't know about you guys but I love that), leans in and gives soft kiss, slides down and does a little nipple sucking slides down further and gulp, we have head game. Maybe 5 minutes worth, very good, nice and slow. Slides back up, soft kiss again and ask if "X" does that. I have seen "x" close to a dozen times and she has never ever even come close doing that but of course I'm not telling "why" that so I say not as good as you, which evidently was the right answer, another soft kiss and proceeds to finish with nice HJ. She helps me get dressed another soft kiss and says next time you ask for me, no ask for "X" any more. I gave her small kiss and said absolutely, we patted each other on the ass and out I went. I'm not giving location or names, do a little home work and you can probably figure out the location and who "X" is--I plan on going back in a couple of weeks and asking for my new friend and see if there is a repeat performance or if that was a one time deal.[/QUOTE]Oh heck no. If why answers the door, I'm sure as hella going to ask for x.

[QUOTE=RubaDubdub01;5796951]Stopped by a location near my work that has a well reviewed masseuse. Greeted by nice youngish lady ("why") that I have not seen before-I asked if "X" was available and her sweet demeanor changed, not mean just changed. She asked why does everyone ask for "X", I said she gives a good massage and we have fun. "why" says I give you good massage too. In the room she asked about asking for "X" again, asking if I always see her, I replied yes. I'm guessing I wasn't the first person that day to ask for "X", she was clearly put out by it. She gave a decent massage, not the worse and not the best-but she kept asking if that was good all during, a little annoying. Nice pre flip tease, soft finger touch, reach under and tug the boys some and tug on jr some, very nice pre flip tease but again, she would lean in and whisper is that good? Turn over-nice soft finger touch all over (don't know about you guys but I love that), leans in and gives soft kiss, slides down and does a little nipple sucking slides down further and gulp, we have head game. Maybe 5 minutes worth, very good, nice and slow. Slides back up, soft kiss again and ask if "X" does that. I have seen "x" close to a dozen times and she has never ever even come close doing that but of course I'm not telling "why" that so I say not as good as you, which evidently was the right answer, another soft kiss and proceeds to finish with nice HJ. She helps me get dressed another soft kiss and says next time you ask for me, no ask for "X" any more. I gave her small kiss and said absolutely, we patted each other on the ass and out I went. I'm not giving location or names, do a little home work and you can probably figure out the location and who "X" is--I plan on going back in a couple of weeks and asking for my new friend and see if there is a repeat performance or if that was a one time deal.[/QUOTE]Haha, Dude, I've even looked back at your old posts to see if could figure out what part of town you work in! I've checked the maps of rubs and still no clue. Toss a bone? Another clue?

[QUOTE=RubaDubdub01;5796951]Stopped by a location near my work that has a well reviewed masseuse. Greeted by nice youngish lady ("why") that I have not seen before-I asked if "X" was available and her sweet demeanor changed, not mean just changed. She asked why does everyone ask for "X", I said she gives a good massage and we have fun. "why" says I give you good massage too. In the room she asked about asking for "X" again, asking if I always see her, I replied yes. I'm guessing I wasn't the first person that day to ask for "X", she was clearly put out by it. She gave a decent massage, not the worse and not the best-but she kept asking if that was good all during, a little annoying. Nice pre flip tease, soft finger touch, reach under and tug the boys some and tug on jr some, very nice pre flip tease but again, she would lean in and whisper is that good? Turn over-nice soft finger touch all over (don't know about you guys but I love that), leans in and gives soft kiss, slides down and does a little nipple sucking slides down further and gulp, we have head game. Maybe 5 minutes worth, very good, nice and slow. Slides back up, soft kiss again and ask if "X" does that. I have seen "x" close to a dozen times and she has never ever even come close doing that but of course I'm not telling "why" that so I say not as good as you, which evidently was the right answer, another soft kiss and proceeds to finish with nice HJ. She helps me get dressed another soft kiss and says next time you ask for me, no ask for "X" any more. I gave her small kiss and said absolutely, we patted each other on the ass and out I went. I'm not giving location or names, do a little home work and you can probably figure out the location and who "X" is--I plan on going back in a couple of weeks and asking for my new friend and see if there is a repeat performance or if that was a one time deal.[/QUOTE]You got to be young to think you are doing anyone any good with your 2nd grade espionage reviews. We're not 12, all the spots in the area have been talked about to death. Either give a real review or go play 007 somewhere else.

I stopped by Yo Yo off Six Forks for the first time yesterday. The boss lady put me in a room, I paid the $80 fee for an hour, and made sure she saw I had more cash. I got comfortable and lay face down on the table. There was no towel, but after laying on the table for a moment, boss lady came in and laid a towel on my butt. A moment later, my masseuse came in and got to work. It was actually a pretty good massage. I've paid for worse massages at places that are completely legit.

Somewhere along the way, the towel vanished, and as she massaged my lower half, her hand would "accidentally" graze the boys. She even did some stretching of my legs. She offered to walk my back, but I decided to politely decline this time. When she was done with the massage on my back, she started the light touch fingernail thing and asked if it was okay. Naturally, I told her it was. After a few minutes, it was time to flip. She got to work, slowly, with oil. That tends to get me going, so after a moment, a motioned to her to step up the pace. Didn't take me much longer to finish. She cleaned me up, and massaged for another few minutes.

I didn't time her, but it seemed pretty close to an hour. As I got dressed, she changed the sheet and the disposable ring around the hole where your face goes. I tipped her 40 and went on my way.

Now, to head off a couple questions- I didn't ask her name, so no idea who to ask for. She had on a mask, but seemed cute enough. No idea how old she was.

All in all, would repeat. YMMV.

I rode to VA this past weekend and passed by this location going and coming. This location had some cars out front so something was going on both days. I couldn't stop, had the crew with me. Has anybody tried this spot lately?

Hey folks.

Since rubratings is down for some time, what other sites are available right now? I do not trust much STG, adultlook, etc. If someone knows where the ladies that were usually posting in rubratings are posting right now please share it. Thanks.

[QUOTE=CashNOut919;5801907]I rode to VA this past weekend and passed by this location going and coming. This location had some cars out front so something was going on both days. I couldn't stop, had the crew with me. Has anybody tried this spot lately?[/QUOTE]Search the thread. Some from about a year ago as I was asking as well.

[QUOTE=Tomas247;5790660]I had a very similar experience. Halfway through the massage the drapery slowly slides down my legs exposing everything and I hear a "is this ok?" I say "Absolutely. " And you can guess where it goes from there.[/QUOTE]I gather from the girl today that everyone goes by "Ruby." So it wouldn't help for me to ask for a name. Any chance you can describe the girl who was nice and accommodating for you? Nothing was happening today, that much I can say.

I'm staying next to the PNC arena. Is there any AMPs or other massage places near that offer a helping hand or extra.

[QUOTE=TwoNutts;5807855]I'm staying next to the PNC arena. Is there any AMPs or other massage places near that offer a helping hand or extra.[/QUOTE]Check JJ's list, not too far from the PNC are #6, #11, #29, #31, #40.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?13592-JJ-s-List[/URL]

[QUOTE=Raleighncman;5808080]Check JJ's list, not too far from the PNC are #6, #11, #29, #31, #40.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?13592-JJ-s-List[/URL][/QUOTE]What does "possible +" mean for "P+(0031)" ?

[QUOTE=SteelWorks2022;5808267]What does "possible +" mean for "P+(0031)" ?[/QUOTE]Just read a little further down the thread. The key is there.

[QUOTE=TwoNutts;5807855]I'm staying next to the PNC arena. Is there any AMPs or other massage places near that offer a helping hand or extra.[/QUOTE]Just use rubmaps, ignore the JJ list dead lingo that like, 3 senior members use and try desperately to keep around. If you have any questions about places pm me.

[QUOTE=JJCale;5808792]Just use rubmaps, ignore the JJ list dead lingo that like, 3 senior members use and try desperately to keep around. If you have any questions about places pm me.[/QUOTE]JJ's List is an effective tool when you can use one place for everything. It's gold when you can post, respond to posts and has a quick reference list of all the AMP's info. Everyone has a choice though on where they get there info and if RubMaps works for some then, great. I don't like RubMaps because it's more work to use a second site with multiple clicks when the same info is only on one click away right here on the Raleigh Forum.

[QUOTE=AGoodGuy;5808900]JJ's List is an effective tool when you can use one place for everything. It's gold when you can post, respond to posts and has a quick reference list of all the AMP's info. Everyone has a choice though on where they get there info and if RubMaps works for some then, great. I don't like RubMaps because it's more work to use a second site with multiple clicks when the same info is only on one click away right here on the Raleigh Forum.[/QUOTE]I just think $20/ mo is far too much for a handful of reviews per month.

[QUOTE=LiquidCoil;5809032]I just think $20/ mo is far too much for a handful of reviews per month.[/QUOTE]$20 is not all bad considering I use for several states. There are some sketchy reviews though. I spill that much $ in beer a month.

Thanks big tork for the details you pm'ed me. I went to green apple and tried mya, she said she was new. They were super busy. I got a decent massage for the time spent $80 for one hour. Extras included a little kissing and boob kissing as well as kissing over the pants. Everything else was naked. Nice tease and hand Job for 80 tip. A little more money than usual but the GFE while laying together on the table and kissing lips and boobs was a good change. This was Saturday. Thursday I went to a bar and met a horny chick and met up again with her Friday and she about wore my ass out. A good round of bought drinks and some appetizers was all it took for both nights. Can't wait to get back here next year.

[QUOTE=TwoNutts;5810245]Thanks big tork for the details you pm'ed me. I went to green apple and tried mya, she said she was new. They were super busy. I got a decent massage for the time spent $80 for one hour. Extras included a little kissing and boob kissing as well as kissing over the pants. Everything else was naked. Nice tease and hand Job for 80 tip. A little more money than usual but the GFE while laying together on the table and kissing lips and boobs was a good change. This was Saturday. Thursday I went to a bar and met a horny chick and met up again with her Friday and she about wore my ass out. A good round of bought drinks and some appetizers was all it took for both nights. Can't wait to get back here next year.[/QUOTE]So, what bar was this? Sounds like a promising hunting spot.

[QUOTE=ToySoldier;5811358]So, what bar was this? Sounds like a promising hunting spot.[/QUOTE]It's by the four points hotel, you can actually walk to it. Off Trinity Ave. From blue ridge rd. Sorry no help, BTW This girl is from Montana in town on business for the deer show same as me, she's long gone now, same as me. I liked the bar tho it looked promising.

[QUOTE=TwoNutts;5811697]It's by the four points hotel, you can actually walk to it. Off Trinity Ave. From blue ridge rd. Sorry no help, BTW This girl is from Montana in town on business for the deer show same as me, she's long gone now, same as me. I liked the bar tho it looked promising.[/QUOTE]Got to be the Backyard Bistro. I'm not sure how much any local actually goes there when there is not an event at the PNC. So probably a pretty good spot for some strange. Any time something is at the Fairgrounds which is like every weekend from now till September.

[QUOTE=Skillet;5811981]Got to be the Backyard Bistro. I'm not sure how much any local actually goes there when there is not an event at the PNC. So probably a pretty good spot for some strange. Any time something is at the Fairgrounds which is like every weekend from now till September.[/QUOTE]That's the place, it was hoping late Friday Saturday night.

I have been to moon a few times now and still can't figure out the setup. Anyone know why the lease the front door open as well as the room door when you are getting a massage? Last visit I also noticed more than one smoke detector in the room. I did not get enough free time alone to investigate if one was a camera. When I walked in last time one of the girls ran out of the lobby upstairs when I opened the door so that had me on edge.

[QUOTE=Sobe69;5812199]I have been to moon a few times now and still can't figure out the setup. Anyone know why the lease the front door open as well as the room door when you are getting a massage? Last visit I also noticed more than one smoke detector in the room. I did not get enough free time alone to investigate if one was a camera. When I walked in last time one of the girls ran out of the lobby upstairs when I opened the door so that had me on edge.[/QUOTE]My guess is the lobby door is to let people know they are open. The room door has a crack for transparency with coworkers. The door shuts when its happy time. 1+1, Studio and Yoyo all leave cracks in their doors until the end. As far as the lady going upstairs, my guess is they do a rotation system and it wasn't her turn. She left so she wouldn't get picked by the customer. Wherever you go, the lady that answers the door is the one you get unless you call ahead and make a by name appointment.

[QUOTE=TwoNutts;5809786]$20 is not all bad considering I use for several states. There are some sketchy reviews though. I spill that much $ in beer a month.[/QUOTE]I don't pay attention to the reviews on RubMaps. I do use it when traveling to get parlor names and addresses. After I get a name then I research that name on USASG for the latest posts. IMO every city needs their own JJ's List because an one stop shop is convenient.

[QUOTE=TwoNutts;5810245]Thanks big tork for the details you pm'ed me. I went to green apple and tried mya, she said she was new. They were super busy. I got a decent massage for the time spent $80 for one hour. Extras included a little kissing and boob kissing as well as kissing over the pants. Everything else was naked. Nice tease and hand Job for 80 tip. A little more money than usual but the GFE while laying together on the table and kissing lips and boobs was a good change. This was Saturday. Thursday I went to a bar and met a horny chick and met up again with her Friday and she about wore my ass out. A good round of bought drinks and some appetizers was all it took for both nights. Can't wait to get back here next year.[/QUOTE]80 at Green has become their standard and that's why some have been turned away. I think it depends on the lady and if the service felt worth it. Mya did the extras but not everyone goes to that level at Green. A topless HJ or a nude lip service and both are 80. Hmmm I know which one I'm choosing!

[QUOTE=TwoNutts;5809786]$20 is not all bad considering I use for several states. There are some sketchy reviews though. I spill that much $ in beer a month.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I can completely see the value if you travel, but not if it's just local. They might make actually make more $ if they had a tiered rate e. G. One state for $3-5/ mo.

Anyone visit Sunny Hypnotist lately?

Considering a visit.

Just my opinion but unless you live close to Sunny I think you'll have money better well spent reading the posts on USASG and seeing the fake Asians. Having them give you a massage and FS will be be much better with a better provider. I know the massage will be lame but's its going to be lame at Sunny too. Sometimes they need guidance. .

[QUOTE=Member#1552;5812756]Anyone visit Sunny Hypnotist lately?

Considering a visit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Member#1552;5812756]Anyone visit Sunny Hypnotist lately?

Considering a visit.[/QUOTE]Dreamt I used to be a regular. But I hadn't gone in probably over half a year. I just got sick of Mama telling me they were too busy, or nobody was there. Just wasn't worth the drive all the way to get told crap like that.

After break from hobby for sometime, I decided to visit JJ40.

Greeted by Mya, must be late 30's / early 40's. Paid. 8 house fee, and she asked to tip upfront. Is this the new norm?? That was so odd, but anyway tipped her. 5 , she said that's not enough. I made it total. 6 tip. She noticed I had more money in wallet and asked for more tip. WTF. I politely said it's odd to tip upfront without knowing about the service.

Massage was ok for starters. About 5 minutes into the session, she asked me to massage her. No OTC / UTC allowed, and she started to give directions to massage her neck and arms. WTF. After 10-15 minutes I told her to continue with the session.

On the flip, she worked for a few minutes but I didn't release yet. It was 45 minutes out of an hour session at that point. She stopped working and said that's the end of session. Again WTF. I told her it's not even an hour yet, forget about the ending. And left that place.

I had a feeling may be the experience would have been better if the tip was more, but honestly are you guys tipping more than. 6 nowadays?? And that too upfront?

Overall ridiculous experience, I will NOT repeat at JJ40.

Stay safe.

[QUOTE=AshWink;5826004]After break from hobby for sometime, I decided to visit JJ40.

Greeted by Mya, must be late 30's / early 40's. Paid. 8 house fee, and she asked to tip upfront. Is this the new norm?? That was so odd, but anyway tipped her. 5 , she said that's not enough. I made it total. 6 tip. She noticed I had more money in wallet and asked for more tip. WTF. I politely said it's odd to tip upfront without knowing about the service.

Massage was ok for starters. About 5 minutes into the session, she asked me to massage her. No OTC / UTC allowed, and she started to give directions to massage her neck and arms. WTF. After 10-15 minutes I told her to continue with the session.

On the flip, she worked for a few minutes but I didn't release yet. It was 45 minutes out of an hour session at that point. She stopped working and said that's the end of session. Again WTF. I told her it's not even an hour yet, forget about the ending. And left that place.

I had a feeling may be the experience would have been better if the tip was more, but honestly are you guys tipping more than. 6 nowadays?? And that too upfront?

Overall ridiculous experience, I will NOT repeat at JJ40.

Stay safe.[/QUOTE]Last time I went here they started the games before I paid the house fee luckily. I told her she was insane to be asking 160 (80 house 80 tip) for the unknown. I asked a few questions about session and she said no to them all so I said then that is my reply as well. No, I will not be paying no I won't be staying.

[QUOTE=RaleighConnect;5826416]Last time I went here they started the games before I paid the house fee luckily. I told her she was insane to be asking 160 (80 house 80 tip) for the unknown. I asked a few questions about session and she said no to them all so I said then that is my reply as well. No, I will not be paying no I won't be staying.[/QUOTE]I went there last week and first drew Mya. She asked if I had a tip and I told her I can tip. She only insisted on house fee up front and I paid her the exact amount and she could see more in my wallet, but I didn't give it to her. Went to the room and started the massage. About 20 minutes in after lower back and leg work she switched with Suzie. This was a good thing. Suzie was more playful and conversant. She worked my upper back and arms and was much more fun than Mya.

Everything was pretty standard and satisfactory, so I tipped accordingly to Suzie - $40. I'll tip more when I feel the session deserves more. She cheerfully took the $40 tip and told me to come back next week.

I don't tip up front anymore unless we know each other and I feel like the service will be good. If they don't like that, I say no thank you and walk out before paying the house fee. If it is a first time visit I also try to hold the house fee until I get a good look at the masseuse in the room. At least for the start. In Cary walking is not a big deal because it is usually a short drive to another place and the fake Asians are an option. If they balk at $40 I tell them maybe more next time if I can come back. However, if they do more, I give more within reason. I really try to be polite about it.

I have a general rule of thumb that a massage parlor shouldn't cost more than a fake Asian.

Hey everyone. Coming to Raleigh for work tomorrow from Fayetteville. Doing some research and hoping to find a great AMP. Bonus if they have table shower. I see some sort of code lingo I don't understand for some places. My rub map expired hoping to save a Jackson. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=IAmThePizzaGod;5828426]Hey everyone. Coming to Raleigh for work tomorrow from Fayetteville. Doing some research and hoping to find a great AMP. Bonus if they have table shower. I see some sort of code lingo I don't understand for some places. My rub map expired hoping to save a Jackson. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]The "code" (shorthand) refers to this thread on the Raleigh forum: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?13592-JJ-s-List[/URL].

There was a big bust a year ago taking down several places, so the level of involvement on this thread and keeping "JJ's list" 100% up to date is low. I'd read the last 5 or maybe 10 pages of this thread to learn what you need for up-to-date info.

[QUOTE=Reggie212;5826622]I went there last week and first drew Mya. She asked if I had a tip and I told her I can tip. She only insisted on house fee up front and I paid her the exact amount and she could see more in my wallet, but I didn't give it to her. Went to the room and started the massage. About 20 minutes in after lower back and leg work she switched with Suzie. This was a good thing. Suzie was more playful and conversant. She worked my upper back and arms and was much more fun than Mya.

Everything was pretty standard and satisfactory, so I tipped accordingly to Suzie - $40. I'll tip more when I feel the session deserves more. She cheerfully took the $40 tip and told me to come back next week.

I don't tip up front anymore unless we know each other and I feel like the service will be good. If they don't like that, I say no thank you and walk out before paying the house fee. If it is a first time visit I also try to hold the house fee until I get a good look at the masseuse in the room. At least for the start. In Cary walking is not a big deal because it is usually a short drive to another place and the fake Asians are an option. If they balk at $40 I tell them maybe more next time if I can come back. However, if they do more, I give more within reason. I really try to be polite about it.

I have a general rule of thumb that a massage parlor shouldn't cost more than a fake Asian.[/QUOTE]I think I posted about the pushiness from my attendant. They didn't hit me with that bullshit but she was a ***** about paying with a card, not tipping enough ($40) etc. I just took control of the situation and after the finish told her to work on my bad shoulder till it was an hour. I even wagged my finger in her face and told her take that shit overseas. Ended with a smile but she knew I wasn't down with it. I haven't been to Apple since. Osaka is fine or maybe Salon.

[QUOTE=ElectricHug;5828604]The "code" (shorthand) refers to this thread on the Raleigh forum: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?13592-JJ-s-List[/URL].

There was a big bust a year ago taking down several places, so the level of involvement on this thread and keeping "JJ's list" 100% up to date is low. I'd read the last 5 or maybe 10 pages of this thread to learn what you need for up-to-date info.[/QUOTE]And if something is rated with a "D", Assume it is 100% legit.

Just like any place, something COULD happen but doubt anyone there is doing anything unless you are well established there.

If you are posting on this board, you want one with a P+ or an E.

Though the lone "E" generally does not get good reviews for other reasons.

Disclaimer: I am not a defender of Green Apple or Healing Spa or whatever the f*uck. I hate when providers try to hustle you upfront and I swore them off when Monica did that to me and I said I would never go back. I saw a good review of Mya on this forum and decided to go see her a couple of days ago. I had a completely different experience than what has been reported so I felt like I should let you know. Mya has only been there a couple of weeks and maybe Monica is getting in her ear. I have no idea. I called ahead, got there and was put in a room and she was super friendly. There was no mention of tip or anything else. Fast forward. Great massage with Hard, medium and sensual mixed in. Feather touch and flip and out came the tatas which were very nice and the rest is history. Look YMMV is a thing but I'm not sure why but I do believe that we shouldn't put up with the nonsense. I tipped $50 and she seemed genuinely happy and told me to repeat her name and ask for her next time LOL. BTW. The last time I was at JJ40 I offered Monica a $60 tip and she looked at me with distain so I took took $20 and put in my pocket and gave her $40.

[QUOTE=ElectricHug;5828604]The "code" (shorthand) refers to this thread on the Raleigh forum: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?13592-JJ-s-List[/URL].

There was a big bust a year ago taking down several places, so the level of involvement on this thread and keeping "JJ's list" 100% up to date is low. I'd read the last 5 or maybe 10 pages of this thread to learn what you need for up-to-date info.[/QUOTE]That list is not the only thing inaccurate. The map of rubs, as it were, also lists several places as having been closed, but if you swing by there they just might be open. I'm not sure why either one aren't updated, but I don't live in Raleigh so I guess I should shut up.