"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[QUOTE=WoodstockShane;6188783]The market decides how much these girls are worth. And individually, we are one small part of the market <-- Again. BS. No one on this board has the right to say what a woman is worth to another man. Period. If you do that, it's just out of spite. Market economics surely don't apply to the sugar world [/QUOTE]Well of course you are absolutely wrong about all of that. Supply and demand determines prices, and those are normal market forces.

And again the market says how much these women are worth, and I do have the right to quote market prices.... and say that to a man, woman, or child (ok maybe not to a little kid).

[QUOTE=ParrotScope;6188755]Thank you!!

Finally a poster on here who has some damn sense!

Why pay $50 for a snicker bar, when they really cost $2?

Hurry durr durr I'm rich so it's not my problem you don't want to buy the $50 Snickers bar.[/QUOTE]Yes, I'm glad you get it. And some would argue that a Snickers bar is a commodity and all are the same, so it's not an accurate analogy. However, these girls are also commodities, for the most part. If one 40ish MILF is asking $400, then most likely you can find another 40 ish MILF, of near identical quality.

Pussy is pussy, after all, to a large extent, especially in different age ranges. Sure there are outliers, but for most part, if a woman is charging too much, the market will give that business to a similar woman who is charging an amount that is more reasonable (meaning what the market has priced her at).

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8ae1421a-9b75-490d-97b9-f01748f106ca[/URL]

This one is a scammer. I usually don't buy them anything before meeting, but she is full of sob stories, and I let my guard down and got her a $40 phone refill card. Then she said she needed gas to come meet up, so I sent her $7 with Cashapp. Then of course she ghosted me, after that.

I don't care much about $47.... but I do care, out of principle. I was just backed up and not thinking clearly, and let my guard down. The red flags were already there, with this one too.

[QUOTE=WillDuff;6189868]Saw her a year ago at hotel in Alpharetta. Seemed to go pretty good, talked a bit, did the deed and she said she had a headache. I said I'd go to desk and see if any aspirin or shit. Took all my stuff of course but when got back she was gone. Took the stairs I assume. Really funny that there was no need to. I don't remember the sex so that must say it wasn't stellar. $200 I'm pretty sure.[/QUOTE]I met with Southern Gal (Sarah) a hand full of times over the last few years. Thick white girl with a few tattoos. She would drive to my hotel in Norcross from the Woodstock area. Lots of deepthroating with gagging, rimming, and BBFSCIP. The damage was 150 $.5 when she visited.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6190764]Yes, I'm glad you get it. And some would argue that a Snickers bar is a commodity and all are the same, so it's not an accurate analogy. However, these girls are also commodities, for the most part. If one 40ish MILF is asking $400, then most likely you can find another 40 ish MILF, of near identical quality.

Pussy is pussy, after all, to a large extent, especially in different age ranges. Sure there are outliers, but for most part, if a woman is charging too much, the market will give that business to a similar woman who is charging an amount that is more reasonable (meaning what the market has priced her at).[/QUOTE]For the record, I don't disagree with you, nor do I fault you for accurately describing the current market prices. I'm simply saying there are reasons some men overpay either occasionally or often (several are listed in my post below), and it's sad that a few here (only a few, and not you as I recall) get bent out of shape that the wealthy value their time more than their money.

[QUOTE=WoodstockShane;6187372]Sofia.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e3f7263c-5663-43ac-a6da-e4e1102c86b3[/URL]

I chatted with her briefly via text, and I offered up a PPM of $350. She basically told me that she's not sure that we will ever come to an arrangement and the comms have dropped way off. Has anyone else seen her?

Southern Gal.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bb77f2be-a7fc-4c7f-b0df-7ffe21428a2f[/URL]

I've exchanged a few messages with her, and it's gone basically nowhere. Perhaps I'm not her type. Again curious if anyone has any info about her. She seems to have been on the site for a while, but her activity is sporadic..[/QUOTE]She looks like a lady I was seeing pre Covid, and came to an end with the pandemic. We Lost contact and I know she had some family impacted by Covid. She was a great time and just loved sex. Loved oral. BBBJCIM, BBFSCIP, slightly bedroom submissive. I'd be curious to hear if you meet up.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6190817][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8ae1421a-9b75-490d-97b9-f01748f106ca[/URL]

This one is a scammer. I usually don't buy them anything before meeting, but she is full of sob stories, and I let my guard down and got her a $40 phone refill card. Then she said she needed gas to come meet up, so I sent her $7 with Cashapp. Then of course she ghosted me, after that.

I don't care much about $47.... but I do care, out of principle. I was just backed up and not thinking clearly, and let my guard down. The red flags were already there, with this one too.[/QUOTE]Happens to the best of us. I appreciate hearing that I'm not the only one that's made a mistake like that.

Not sure about this one.

She hits you in in chat without even a HI with her # to text. Wants a phone call, fine whatever quick into the call she wants money to go to the hair salon. Nope.

Tell her I don't give money until a in person meetup, also I don't usually talk to girls under 21. She texts me her actual GA drivers license Nothing blacked out, front and back. BRUH.

She's 18 for sure, but damn.

Anyway, I just kind of blow her off and a week later she sends me a paragraph about how she wants a weekly allowance, with sex 3 times a week. I just ignore it, and she tries to call my google voice # 3 times in a row, then once an hour for 3 hours. Finally a text asking if I can meetup tonight.

She's either thirsty, or a cop. Do with that what you will.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/1ddd8e82-a7cb-47ba-bae0-f226380cfc48[/URL]

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6191326]For the record, I don't disagree with you, nor do I fault you for accurately describing the current market prices. I'm simply saying there are reasons some men overpay either occasionally or often (several are listed in my post below), and it's sad that a few here (only a few, and not you as I recall) get bent out of shape that the wealthy value their time more than their money.[/QUOTE]And I certainly don't fault you for paying greater than market prices to get it done, more quickly and simply. It is frustrating that some of the less bright girls then think they deserve that amount, every time in the future, but that isn't your fault. They likely eventually figure it out, but takes awhile, with some of the slower ones.

I try to stick with minimum 200 ppm, as it just feels insulting to go below that, but it's tough with some of these older sbs who just aren't worth that much to me. Most of the women on there are fuckable, but some just for 50 or 100, and I don't feel comfortable offering that much, unless they are really a mess. I suppose I need to get over that though and just offer what they are worth to me. If it is too low below the market pricing, then they will just decline, and I will move on.

[QUOTE=AmpFanatl;6192196]Not sure about this one.

She hits you in in chat without even a HI with her # to text. Wants a phone call, fine whatever quick into the call she wants money to go to the hair salon. Nope.

Tell her I don't give money until a in person meetup, also I don't usually talk to girls under 21. She texts me her actual GA drivers license Nothing blacked out, front and back. BRUH.

She's 18 for sure, but damn.

Anyway, I just kind of blow her off and a week later she sends me a paragraph about how she wants a weekly allowance, with sex 3 times a week. I just ignore it, and she tries to call my google voice # 3 times in a row, then once an hour for 3 hours. Finally a text asking if I can meetup tonight.

She's either thirsty, or a cop. Do with that what you will.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/1ddd8e82-a7cb-47ba-bae0-f226380cfc48[/URL][/QUOTE]I had a similar situation a week or so ago. Slim brown skinned chick. I viewed her profile, and she message me fairly quick with her number. I text her to see what was up, and she called w / o any heads up. I didn't answer of course. Text asking for money to get hair done, and I blocked the number. Also blocked her on SA. I think this might be the same girl I dealt with as I couldn't view profile from your link. 18 as well.

[QUOTE=MrVmp;6192329]I had a similar situation a week or so ago. Slim brown skinned chick. I viewed her profile, and she message me fairly quick with her number. I text her to see what was up, and she called w / o any heads up. I didn't answer of course. Text asking for money to get hair done, and I blocked the number. Also blocked her on SA. I think this might be the same girl I dealt with as I couldn't view profile from your link. 18 as well.[/QUOTE]Yeah sounds like her, and the link looks broken generally if they blocked you. I'm curious if she has gotten anything with these tactics. Most of us looking in the Sugar jar are more experienced in life and balk at such tactics.

I have been lurking on here for a few months. First for info on local and out of state AMPs as I travel for work, then I moved onto LK and finally independent escorts.

I have paid anywhere from 70 for FS from an AMP chick to 700 for two hours with a high-class escort while I traveled for work.

Thought I would share my experiences so far with sugar dating, and why I prefer it over the other options.

I dipped my toes into Seeking 30 days ago, and here are my results.

If you want the TL. DR, sex can be less transactional depending on what type of arrangement and SB you find.

First chick was fun, but with a decently high ppm of 500. (I know this high of a ppm is a matter on contention recently on this forum, but I had the funds and just wanted the experience).

And boy was she fun. Under 5 feet tall early 20's, tiny body with decent A cups and 10/10 hygiene. I spent several hours with her at her place just hanging out and several sessions of BBBJ DATY and BBFS.

Since then it looks like she's gone full Escort with a 1 hour time limit and everything, this was her profile.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2985dcf6-c426-4614-8054-947c5568736b[/URL]

Second chick was an actual dinner date and some fun in the hotel later. She's a little crazy honestly, but nice to hit up when other options aren't around. Doesn't want PPM or Allowance, just help with whatever is going on. Like a few hundred to cover remainder of rent, or grocery money.

The last 2 I haven't met yet, but am this week. Really good prospects the both of them.

First is a 30 something single mom. She looks amazing in the selfies she's sent, and sounds like a freak.

Second is 23 and a current student at a local university. She's super cute and smart as hell.

Why do I prefer Sugaring over an escort? You get to know them, and they get to know you. Not to mention more things are generally on the menu since you aren't just some customer in their eyes.

The websites:

Overall I rate Seeking above the other sites, the girls are more responsive and there are less bots, spam and scammers to sort.

I did not like having to spend credits to open messages on SB. No thanks.

I tried AM for a week, and got 1 reply and tons of bots. Do not recommend.

Happy Sugaring.

I have the same experiences as you and have come to the same conclusion. I'll add that it's not for everyone. There's more work involved in going the sugaring route and for many it doesn't seem worth it since you can pay a similar price and not have to jump through hoops. I like the challenge of it and think it's worth it.

Also, the link to your first girl is showing as "profile not available". So either she took it down or I'm blocked from it. Can you provide a screen shot or name?

[QUOTE=AmpFanatl;6194144]I have been lurking on here for a few months. First for info on local and out of state AMPs as I travel for work, then I moved onto LK and finally independent escorts.

I have paid anywhere from 70 for FS from an AMP chick to 700 for two hours with a high-class escort while I traveled for work.

Thought I would share my experiences so far with sugar dating, and why I prefer it over the other options.

I dipped my toes into Seeking 30 days ago, and here are my results.

If you want the TL. DR, sex can be less transactional depending on what type of arrangement and SB you find.

First chick was fun, but with a decently high ppm of 500. (I know this high of a ppm is a matter on contention recently on this forum, but I had the funds and just wanted the experience).

And boy was she fun. Under 5 feet tall early 20's, tiny body with decent A cups and 10/10 hygiene. I spent several hours with her at her place just hanging out and several sessions of BBBJ DATY and BBFS.

Since then it looks like she's gone full Escort with a 1 hour time limit and everything, this was her profile.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2985dcf6-c426-4614-8054-947c5568736b[/URL]

Second chick was an actual dinner date and some fun in the hotel later. She's a little crazy honestly, but nice to hit up when other options aren't around. Doesn't want PPM or Allowance, just help with whatever is going on. Like a few hundred to cover remainder of rent, or grocery money.

The last 2 I haven't met yet, but am this week. Really good prospects the both of them.

First is a 30 something single mom. She looks amazing in the selfies she's sent, and sounds like a freak.

Second is 23 and a current student at a local university. She's super cute and smart as hell.

Why do I prefer Sugaring over an escort? You get to know them, and they get to know you. Not to mention more things are generally on the menu since you aren't just some customer in their eyes.

The websites:

Overall I rate Seeking above the other sites, the girls are more responsive and there are less bots, spam and scammers to sort.

I did not like having to spend credits to open messages on SB. No thanks.

I tried AM for a week, and got 1 reply and tons of bots. Do not recommend.

Happy Sugaring.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DudeNextDoor;6194275]I have the same experiences as you and have come to the same conclusion. I'll add that it's not for everyone. There's more work involved in going the sugaring route and for many it doesn't seem worth it since you can pay a similar price and not have to jump through hoops. I like the challenge of it and think it's worth it.

Also, the link to your first girl is showing as "profile not available". So either she took it down or I'm blocked from it. Can you provide a screen shot or name?[/QUOTE]Yeah looks like I'm either blocked or her profile is gone, her name is Dakota. Although, I was just texting her a week ago.

If you are curious about her DM me, I'll ask her if it's cool to give her # out to a buddy.

Moves to text pretty quick after messaging. Responsive until you ask for a verification pic.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/98bab46c-e6d9-4608-8150-215697a8de29[/URL]

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6192210]And I certainly don't fault you for paying greater than market prices to get it done, more quickly and simply. It is frustrating that some of the less bright girls then think they deserve that amount, every time in the future, but that isn't your fault. They likely eventually figure it out, but takes awhile, with some of the slower ones.[/QUOTE]I agree. However the problem still remains and it driving up the price for "more quickly". I had a SB on here started out at $300. We had our fun then moved on. Now I run across her profile and she is asking for 2 k ppm. I mean how insane. She is not worth its. I would know. She has a nice body but her vag is destroyed.

Can anyone share their experience using SA while traveling to South America? Or suggestions for mongering.

I plan to visit Colombia for a couple of weeks so I am also lurking around in the internationalsexguide site. Don't speak Spanish but trying to learn at the moment. Any helpful tips are appreciated.

[QUOTE=AmpFanatl;6194399]Yeah looks like I'm either blocked or her profile is gone, her name is Dakota. Although, I was just texting her a week ago.

If you are curious about her DM me, I'll ask her if it's cool to give her # out to a buddy.[/QUOTE]If that's the same Dakota I talked with a few weeks ago (spinner, tattoos, alt-goth look, wannabe alt cover girl model) then she has major major GPS and is a biatch on top of it. She's hot, but you can find hotter, and more importantly nicer, for less.

She's a pic and vid seller. She told me she was in Knoxville a couple of weeks so couldn't meet right away. Then offered to get me off with pics and vids if I "spoiled her" a little bit. Just ignored her from there.

SD.

[QUOTE=AmpFanatl;6194416]Moves to text pretty quick after messaging. Responsive until you ask for a verification pic.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/98bab46c-e6d9-4608-8150-215697a8de29[/URL][/QUOTE]

Wondering if anyone has any experience with this woman. She lives in Hampton but is willing to drive up.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0ce02416-a1dc-4607-b78e-b8fb3ebfeb09[/URL]

May the pussy be with you.

SD.

Does anyone have experience with these two? They pop up on the site from time to time but answer messages sporadically.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e98fd542-6e6c-41d6-b4c2-027b1a72627e[/URL]

[QUOTE=DudeNextDoor;6195844]Does anyone have experience with these two? They pop up on the site from time to time but answer messages sporadically.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e98fd542-6e6c-41d6-b4c2-027b1a72627e[/URL][/QUOTE]StayActive (posted about them (post #10665) Seems like they are charging for m&g and then ghosting according to his post.

[QUOTE=DArrow404;6141711][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/56dc3038-1020-4570-aaf9-87bc3b0e650d[/URL]

I saw Missy last week and had a good time. I saw her mentioned before but no details that I could find. Her profile and pics are accurate; a late 40's MILF who likes sex. Normally I like to meet someone new in a neutral location first but after texting with her I felt comfortable skipping that. Other posts mentioned doing a m&g with her and not getting anywhere; so figured another reason to skip it.

She can't host but was willing to drive to me from Alpharetta to the Vinings area. She said ppm is fine and how much varied on how far she had to drive. I offered $250 which she accepted. Everything was on the menu except BBFS though it wouldn't surprise me if that was available after repeat visits. She stayed with me for about 2. 5 hours and multiples were no problem.[/QUOTE]In finally connected with her too, and had about the same experience, and same ppm. She insisted on condoms from the start, although get her worked up and turned on, and you may be able to get in there bare. But she's very outgoing and easy to talk to. Friendly and fun, and she is accommodating with BBBJTCWS. I rarely repeat with any of these sb's... because the power of new pussy is so strong..... but I would see her again on the right day, for sure.

Is she the same woman that had a sister Lacey and did gangbang parties with King?

SD.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6196095]In finally connected with her too, and had about the same experience, and same ppm. She insisted on condoms from the start, although get her worked up and turned on, and you may be able to get in there bare. But she's very outgoing and easy to talk to. Friendly and fun, and she is accommodating with BBBJTCWS. I rarely repeat with any of these sb's... because the power of new pussy is so strong..... but I would see her again on the right day, for sure.[/QUOTE]

I'll let the board know what I find out.

[QUOTE=Jims2321;6195873]StayActive (posted about them (post #10665) Seems like they are charging for m&g and then ghosting according to his post.[/QUOTE]

Sorry for spamming the board lately but I've got some time off and want to take advantage of it by lining up a handful of hotties.

Here's one I have a meet and greet set up with tomorrow. She just sprung on me that she wants 400 ppm. Of course I'll try to talk her down but when I said I don't pay for a m&g unless we're doing it somewhere more private she just said "let's talk in person. " Anyone have any experience here?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/85aa8376-1244-49c9-9b4f-53a2426b3bd5[/URL]

[QUOTE=SugarDaddio;6196206]Is she the same woman that had a sister Lacey and did gangbang parties with King?

SD.[/QUOTE]I think I know who you are talking about, and that's a different one, who lives in Marietta. I saw her a couple of times in 2018, but I think she is still around. She was a provider / escort, not a SB, but really sweet and a lot of fun.

Thank you all for your inputs and advice to my previous post. It's been a while I wasn't here in this thread.

[QUOTE=Apollo007;6188359]One of you mongers must have face f at #k her hard. She wants 400 with no head. She said she had a bad experience with and old SD. Everything was a go till she threw out the 400. I replied I usually do 200 with head, and golly, never heard back from her?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e2a5f3fe-4f1a-463b-bf7a-3e7a50d98039[/URL][/QUOTE]I'm thinking on hitting up this one. It could be my first and only once sugaring attempt. Ever since I've seen Apollo007's post, I've been checking this one out. How long did it take for her to open up for PPM discussion?

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6196095]In finally connected with her too, and had about the same experience, and same ppm. She insisted on condoms from the start, although get her worked up and turned on, and you may be able to get in there bare. But she's very outgoing and easy to talk to. Friendly and fun, and she is accommodating with BBBJTCWS. I rarely repeat with any of these sb's... because the power of new pussy is so strong..... but I would see her again on the right day, for sure.[/QUOTE]I met up with her for lunch one day as a meet and greet. She was super friendly, good conversation. But the connection kind of fizzled from there. If you're interested, get her attention, skip the M&G, and get down to business. Most of these women are getting so many messages that they need a green light quickly.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/40d52bc3-d7f3-46ac-ad47-068c153d3b94[/URL]

This one appparently suffers from GPS. I asked her what kind of PPM she usually goes with and said that I start with 250, and more if the girl is into taking pics. She replied: "Sorry, that's quite low and isn't going to work for me", then ghosted me.

Of course we know that 250 is not especially low for the Atlanta market, and especially not for a 6.5 who is 30+.

But she proudly proclaims her Emory degree , so perhaps she thinks that makes her more valuable. Nope, of course that's not how men think, in looking for a sb. I am just as attracted to a hot Waffle House waitress, as I am a Phd from Harvard. And probably moreso, because less like to be a stuck up and entitled. Sure someone intelligent is sometimes more interesting to hang out with, but not that always or that much. Women are the ones who care about where the guy works and his education level. We don't care.

Anyway, bottom line is that she and I were just not on the same page there, which is no big deal. But she was clueless with saying 250 is "quite low", especially without referencing market data, or even what she usually receives. And for her to shut the conversation down at that point, you know she only accepts $500+, if not much more.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6197463][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/40d52bc3-d7f3-46ac-ad47-068c153d3b94[/URL]

This one appparently suffers from GPS. I asked her what kind of PPM she usually goes with and said that I start with 250, and more if the girl is into taking pics. She replied: "Sorry, that's quite low and isn't going to work for me", then ghosted me.

Of course we know that 250 is not especially low for the Atlanta market, and especially not for a 6.5 who is 30+.

But she proudly proclaims her Emory degree , so perhaps she thinks that makes her more valuable. Nope, of course that's not how men think, in looking for a sb. I am just as attracted to a hot Waffle House waitress, as I am a Phd from Harvard. And probably moreso, because less like to be a stuck up and entitled. Sure someone intelligent is sometimes more interesting to hang out with, but not that always or that much. Women are the ones who care about where the guy works and his education level. We don't care.

Anyway, bottom line is that she and I were just not on the same page there, which is no big deal. But she was clueless with saying 250 is "quite low", especially without referencing market data, or even what she usually receives. And for her to shut the conversation down at that point, you know she only accepts $500+, if not much more.[/QUOTE]She's looking for a guy who will keep her in her lifestyle of volunteering, working with refugee children, & make her monthly mortgage payment. This requires a lot of investment in her probably $500 plus. Her issues are she is on the wrong side of 30 & like you said a 6. 5 which I think you are being generous about. While it's nice to have a good intelligent conversation over a glass of bourbon before I take them to the bedroom & fuck their brains out, it's not something that would move a 6. 5 women looks wise past a solid 8 waffle house waitress who dropped out of high school. Almost all of us on this site prefer a woman in the Gunny's famous words "who can suck a golf ball thru a garden hose" over a degree any day of the week.

[QUOTE=SgtHappyEnding;6197432]I met up with her for lunch one day as a meet and greet. She was super friendly, good conversation. But the connection kind of fizzled from there. If you're interested, get her attention, skip the M&G, and get down to business. Most of these women are getting so many messages that they need a green light quickly.[/QUOTE]I just met Missy at the hotel, but sometimes I think I should meet more of them for lunch first, just to look for any red flags. Although that could work against me too, if they think twice and then don't think I'm fuckable.
But if I have $250 in my hand, I'm almost always going to get over, there. I've only met maybe two of them for a meal, before hotel fun, and it did go just fine.

I would not want to put off the action for a different day though, because so many of these girls drift away, and then it's even more frustrating. I banged 3 sb's in the past week, but there are a couple that got away that I wanted really badly. In most cases, some other guy takes their interest away from me, or who knows. But these last three were excellent and it really is amazing we can have this kind of fun for two or three Franklins.

[QUOTE=Sikindil;6197140]Thank you all for your inputs and advice to my previous post. It's been a while I wasn't here in this thread.

I'm thinking on hitting up this one. It could be my first and only once sugaring attempt. Ever since I've seen Apollo007's post, I've been checking this one out. How long did it take for her to open up for PPM discussion?[/QUOTE]I wouldn't waste 400 on any SB that won't give head.

I thought about negotiating, but I was kind of turned off by her attitude. I think I could have gotten her down to 300 but, damn, I need head! LOL.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6198561]I just met Missy at the hotel, but sometimes I think I should meet more of them for lunch first, just to look for any red flags. Although that could work against me too, if they think twice and then don't think I'm fuckable.
But if I have $250 in my hand, I'm almost always going to get over, there. I've only met maybe two of them for a meal, before hotel fun, and it did go just fine.

I would not want to put off the action for a different day though, because so many of these girls drift away, and then it's even more frustrating. I banged 3 sb's in the past week, but there are a couple that got away that I wanted really badly. In most cases, some other guy takes their interest away from me, or who knows. But these last three were excellent and it really is amazing we can have this kind of fun for two or three Franklins.[/QUOTE]I was always someone who preferred just getting right to good stuff with the girls I meet off of SA, although if the girl was hot enough & really wanted a meet & greet, I'd meet them for lunch--but not my first choice if I could avoid it.

I'm now starting to rethink that strategy because a lot of these girls are crazy & there's a small percentage that are potentially dangerous crazy. If you just go right to meeting in private, you may not sense that until you find yourself in a pickle. Case in point: I met a girl on SA recently named "Ria" something, she's a petite brunette & smoking hot. Everything went great for a week, she was very flirty & sexual & friendly via text. She wanted a meet & greet lunch today, which was fine. Again, if they're hot enough, I'll do it. Well, last night she started going ape shit about her ppm. She told me she wants no less than $3 k / month &, further, $10 k / month to "be exclusive", & $20 k / month if I "wanted to marry" her. Uhhhh, yeah. I tried to politely tell her we're not on the same page & I'll just move on. She called me & her mood turned nasty & she started into a lecture / rant about "what a real daddy does" & "value" (something like the "I know my worth" nonsense), blah blah. I hung up on her & blocked her on the site, which is why I don't have a link to share with you. I'm in my early 50's, have been in this hobby for 20 years, & am not going to be lectured to by a college-age girl. I thought that'd be the end of it. Boy, was I wrong. I blocked her phone # from my phone so then this nutjob calls me almost 40 times from a "no caller I'd" number. I put my phone on silent & didn't answer. I am NOT exaggerating any of this. She then ran out of gas, I guess, & then texted me that "we can do this forever *****" & "no one wastes my fucking time. " I blocked that # too & then found a voicemail she left from the "no caller I'd" # telling me that she wanted me to die & that I had "just met a demon. " I swear I'm not making any of this up.

Do I think she's REALLY going to do something? No. Is this just some young, mentally disturbed girl venting at me with empty threats? Sure, realistically that's what I think it is. But I sure am glad she didn't have my real name & that I'd never been in private with her if she's like that. On the other hand, if she'd shown up for lunch, I think I'd probably pick up on these little quirks. My job requires me to read people & their body language well, so I have some insight into that. So yeah, I'm starting to rethink my idea about "no meet & greets, let's just get to the action. ".

P.S. --I haven't seen anything like what I've gotten from this girl before in my hobby experiences, & I understand maybe I've just been lucky over the years. Sure, I've had girls chirp at me about "wasting their time" if I don't agree to an excessive & unreasonable ppm, but never had anyone actually threaten my safety. Oh well.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;6198561]I just met Missy at the hotel, but sometimes I think I should meet more of them for lunch first, just to look for any red flags. Although that could work against me too, if they think twice and then don't think I'm fuckable.
But if I have $250 in my hand, I'm almost always going to get over, there. I've only met maybe two of them for a meal, before hotel fun, and it did go just fine.

I would not want to put off the action for a different day though, because so many of these girls drift away, and then it's even more frustrating. I banged 3 sb's in the past week, but there are a couple that got away that I wanted really badly. In most cases, some other guy takes their interest away from me, or who knows. But these last three were excellent and it really is amazing we can have this kind of fun for two or three Franklins.[/QUOTE]Yeah because I'll scoop them up if you don't.

You can always meet at the hotel bar for a drink. If things go well book a room and go up. If there are red flags it's easy to leave. I have left several that simply did not look like their pictures or gave off escort vibes. I also Uber to the first meet so they don't see your car.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6124587]I don't recall a Kennesaw Jessica (only been doing SB and SA a year now) but. What in the actual fuck is that profile? The sense of entitlement is breathtakingly cunty.[/QUOTE]She passed away a few weeks ago. Stunning girl, very sad.

[QUOTE=TylerDurden07;6199704]I was always someone who preferred just getting right to good stuff with the girls I meet off of SA, although if the girl was hot enough & really wanted a meet & greet, I'd meet them for lunch--but not my first choice if I could avoid it.

I'm now starting to rethink that strategy because a lot of these girls are crazy & there's a small percentage that are potentially dangerous crazy.[/QUOTE]This is a wild story and a messed up one but I enjoyed reading it!

Juat can't see how a chick can put out these outlandish numbers BEFORE actually giving anything at all (beyond their precious time, of course).

I figure a chick that really knows her worth, would lure you in with a reasonable rate, then once they snare you into their p*ssy trap and sex skills can THEN coerce you for more to keep you on the hook.

[QUOTE=TylerDurden07;6199704]
Case in point: I met a girl on SA recently named "Ria" something, she's a petite brunette & smoking hot. Everything went great for a week, she was very flirty & sexual & friendly via text. She wanted a meet & greet lunch today, which was fine.
[/QUOTE]I bet this is "BabyRia". She's been reviewed on the board. I posted her profile back in Sept asking if anyone had seen, and got warned off by a stand up guy here over DM. I think she's been reviewed in this thread as well and they mentioned she's pretty clearly bi-polar. I already had my annual dose of crazy earlier in the year, so glad I passed on this one, especially since she's got GPS to go along with the BPD / bipolar.

[QUOTE=TylerDurden07;6199704] I am NOT exaggerating any of this. She then ran out of gas, I guess, & then texted me that "we can do this forever *****" & "no one wastes my fucking time. " I blocked that # too & then found a voicemail she left from the "no caller I'd" # telling me that she wanted me to die & that I had "just met a demon. " I swear I'm not making any of this up.

Do I think she's REALLY going to do something? No. Is this just some young, mentally disturbed girl venting at me with empty threats? Sure, realistically that's what I think it is. But I sure am glad she didn't have my real name & that I'd never been in private with her if she's like that. On the other hand, if she'd shown up for lunch, I think I'd probably pick up on these little quirks. My job requires me to read people & their body language well, so I have some insight into that. So yeah, I'm starting to rethink my idea about "no meet & greets, let's just get to the action. ".
[/QUOTE]Of course I believe every word. Anyone who has dealt with women long enough, know that a significant percentage of them are batshit crazy. I've run into quite a few like this, and most of us likely have.

And yes, good point about the advantage of the meet and greets, and I had that same thought. With the bad one I had a few weeks ago (Lys), I could have sensed her cuntiness beforehand and saved myself a bad experience and -$300. And if it's a nice pretty girl, then can be kind of enjoyable to share a meal with them. Well I should probably do this a bit more, but not sure if I will actually make that move or not.

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