"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Good points. We need to remember that many of theses Babies are looking to learn and explore. They may appreciate being taught to explore their sensuality and limits with someone they know and trust. For many younger women, it is the experience of an older gentleman that they appreciate the most.

I've enjoyed helping a willing baby explore their sensuality and limits. Many have fantasies of 3 somes, BDSM, rough sex and sex in a public place. Sometimes you teacher learns new things too!! .

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2741419]Agree with madaboutmax on this one. Girls stay in the rotation longer depending on a variety of circumstances. To keep it interesting, I might bring a toy to a session, order a porn flick on the tv at the hotel, ask her about her fantasies, see if she's willing to fuck outdoors or the mall, etc. The last one is my favorite because it saves on hotels. My college coed likes getting banged in the library. It's amazing how hot it is watching her face while she cums but has to be completely quiet. It was loads of fun since the place was empty during the last day the school was open.

Of course when a lady is on the higher end of the allowance spectrum, I expect them to make the effort, not me. If they don't, then its time to move on in my book. On the other hand, I make a much bigger effort with the lower maintenance ones since I like keeping them around.

The nicer they are to me and my wallet, the more effort I put into keeping things fresh and fun for both of us.[/QUOTE]

Ok. This has been a loooong saga. So hotel was rented (early December) the plan was to meet after she got off work. This was to be our first panty encounter. We have met about 10 x and I am into this for maybe 1200 and no panties on the floor. LOL. I can hear the groans from you guys already. But if you have read the rest of the story connected you know that this is a girl I am introducing to the bowl. Hand picked form a personal encounter not a site. Her first time etc. Now this is by far the most I have ever inve $ted and probably the longest time period. . She drops me a text about an hour before she gets off work asking what I would like her to wear. I respond. Drops me a text when off work and said she may need me to pick her up as she may need to leave her car for the sitter who is watching her boy. 3 o minutes later said she is getting a ride and will let me know if I need to get her. Theeeeennnn silence!. I send a few text over the next 2 hours just asking need a ride? Are you ok? Have you changed your mind? Nothing. Oh well. Soo I figure I guess she flaked and figure hey. I have closed 3 of4 with this method. That's still pretty damn good selling percentage and figure I move on. Which not only sucked because I dropped 200 on the room but I just had a certain affinity for this chick. Most would like give her an overall 7 . 5'2". 95 lbs. 25 yr old but looks young. Nice round rear though. Obviously thin at that weight but a killer smile and cute factor. Think of a Liv Tyler and Victoria Principal mix (some of you yungins may have to google Victoria Principal. Haha) anyway. It is what it is. So 4 days later I get a text from a number I do not recognize on my special phone asking if this is (blah blah) I respond by text yes it is. As only like 3 people have ever had this number. And it is her. Ok. I think flaked. Then had remorse. But she was in a car accident and phone got lost. Was in the hospital for a couple days. Yeah. Yeah. Lips moving lying. But we met a couple days later for lunch and she was bruised up a bit. . plus a new phone. Her old phone was not usable but they were able to recover data not all with the names and plus she had to find her phone after she got out out of th hospital. Soooo. We meet for a bite then make plans to meet for some more personal type of time. Now I am in for about 1800 (yes I helped her out for a couple weeks after we met post accident. I hear you all. YOU DUMB ASS. Suuuuckeeeerrrrrr. But damn. I just have a real affinity for this chic (I may not of mentioned but I have been aware of this chick for about 2 years. She was not as aware of me but I have been of her and was waiting for the right time. . so hey. Might as well go all in. I mean if it happens then my CTF at this point is like 2 k. But if it does work and I fuck her 2 x then its down to 1 k. And my percentages go down quickly compared to you guys who are squeezing a $ or 1. 5 $. Hahah. So we set up a time to meet and I will make her dinner. I give a gift card to VS and ask for her to pick something out to wear. So I'm thinking this will be like 2. 5 months and 2 k invested and all this anticipation. There is noooooo way this can be as good as I want it to be. Like a movie you are anxious to see and after. Its yeah that was good but too much build up. I know something has to be wrong and unanticipated. Like. Her pussy is going to be ugly. Maybe smell. Then be all loose on top of it all. Probably does not even give head. !. sooooo once again we are to meet. She texts she is running late. Ugh. Then texts she is 10 min away. Uh oh. Some light to then end of the tunnel. Then a text she is having a hard time finding the location. Is she really coming? Then there she is driving down the street. Hooray!. She comes in to the secret hideaway. We have a couple drinks. I make some food. Chat laugh. Pull her close. Pick her up and take her back to the room. I will spare the slow undressing and kissing etc. Sooo. Work my way to the panties. Attempting to get pre sniff of what this will be. Well. DAMN IT!.gueeeeeesss what. The panties come off. And her pussy is beautiful. I proceed to make my way to the wonderful piece of art. F'and tastes like candy corn. Damn it is good. I ask for a return favor and like a pouncing feline she takes it on. Wonderful skill set. I pull her hair back and push her down. Climb on top and proceed with entry into what has to be the loosest pussy ever. NOT. Swap some positions around then to the point of no return I tell her I am going to cum in her mouth. I pull her head back jump up and into her mouth. Bam. Like a champ finishes me off. Sooooooo damn. F and damn. It was a phenomenal movie ending! We will see how this goes LT. Hell its been 3 months now. And Daddy is happy! Plus as mentioned earlier. My CTF can really only go down from here LOL. She is my new addiction.

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2715524]I recently booked a hotel room. Nicer location in the area. I booked direct through the hotel site with my alias. Which is sorta close but enough different. They texted the reservation to my burn phone. I booked with a gift card. When I showed up asked they asked for my I'd I told them I lost my wallet but provided the visa and my phone with the reservation code they sent me. The counter person said let me make a call. Called her manager I guess and came back and said you are taken care of Mr. "Sugar Daddy". It was a roll of the dice but worked.[/QUOTE]

You had been watching her for two years but she didn't know it? That's a story I'd be interested in hearing. And if you break it down into high end escort dollars, your cost per fuck isn't unreasonable.

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2743522]Ok. This has been a loooong saga. So hotel was rented (early December) the plan was to meet after she got off work. This was to be our first panty encounter. We have met about 10 x and I am into this for maybe 1200 and no panties on the floor. LOL. I can hear the groans from you guys already. But if you have read the rest of the story connected you know that this is a girl I am introducing to the bowl. Hand picked form a personal encounter not a site. Her first time etc. Now this is by far the most I have ever inve $ted and probably the longest time period. . She drops me a text about an hour before she gets off work asking what I would like her to wear. I respond. Drops me a text when off work and said she may need me to pick her up as she may need to leave her car for the sitter who is watching her boy. 3 o minutes later said she is getting a ride and will let me know if I need to get her. Theeeeennnn silence!. I send a few text over the next 2 hours just asking need a ride? Are you ok? Have you changed your mind? Nothing. Oh well. Soo I figure I guess she flaked and figure hey. I have closed 3 of4 with this method. That's still pretty damn good selling percentage and figure I move on. Which not only sucked because I dropped 200 on the room but I just had a certain affinity for this chick. Most would like give her an overall 7 . 5'2". 95 lbs. 25 yr old but looks young. Nice round rear though. Obviously thin at that weight but a killer smile and cute factor. Think of a Liv Tyler and Victoria Principal mix (some of you yungins may have to google Victoria Principal. Haha) anyway. It is what it is. So 4 days later I get a text from a number I do not recognize on my special phone asking if this is (blah blah) I respond by text yes it is. As only like 3 people have ever had this number. And it is her. Ok. I think flaked. Then had remorse. But she was in a car accident and phone got lost. Was in the hospital for a couple days. Yeah. Yeah. Lips moving lying. But we met a couple days later for lunch and she was bruised up a bit. . plus a new phone. Her old phone was not usable but they were able to recover data not all with the names and plus she had to find her phone after she got out out of th hospital. Soooo. We meet for a bite then make plans to meet for some more personal type of time. Now I am in for about 1800 (yes I helped her out for a couple weeks after we met post accident. I hear you all. YOU DUMB ASS. Suuuuckeeeerrrrrr. But damn. I just have a real affinity for this chic (I may not of mentioned but I have been aware of this chick for about 2 years. She was not as aware of me but I have been of her and was waiting for the right time. . so hey. Might as well go all in. I mean if it happens then my CTF at this point is like 2 k. But if it does work and I fuck her 2 x then its down to 1 k. And my percentages go down quickly compared to you guys who are squeezing a $ or 1. 5 $. Hahah. So we set up a time to meet and I will make her dinner. I give a gift card to VS and ask for her to pick something out to wear. So I'm thinking this will be like 2. 5 months and 2 k invested and all this anticipation. There is noooooo way this can be as good as I want it to be. Like a movie you are anxious to see and after. Its yeah that was good but too much build up. I know something has to be wrong and unanticipated. Like. Her pussy is going to be ugly. Maybe smell. Then be all loose on top of it all. Probably does not even give head. !. sooooo once again we are to meet. She texts she is running late. Ugh. Then texts she is 10 min away. Uh oh. Some light to then end of the tunnel. Then a text she is having a hard time finding the location. Is she really coming? Then there she is driving down the street. Hooray!. She comes in to the secret hideaway. We have a couple drinks. I make some food. Chat laugh. Pull her close. Pick her up and take her back to the room. I will spare the slow undressing and kissing etc. Sooo. Work my way to the panties. Attempting to get pre sniff of what this will be. Well. DAMN IT!.gueeeeeesss what. The panties come off. And her pussy is beautiful. I proceed to make my way to the wonderful piece of art. F'and tastes like candy corn. Damn it is good. I ask for a return favor and like a pouncing feline she takes it on. Wonderful skill set. I pull her hair back and push her down. Climb on top and proceed with entry into what has to be the loosest pussy ever. NOT. Swap some positions around then to the point of no return I tell her I am going to cum in her mouth. I pull her head back jump up and into her mouth. Bam. Like a champ finishes me off. Sooooooo damn. F and damn. It was a phenomenal movie ending! We will see how this goes LT. Hell its been 3 months now. And Daddy is happy! Plus as mentioned earlier. My CTF can really only go down from here LOL. She is my new addiction.[/QUOTE]

1963 good read. Had a good laugh at the Victoria Principle reference. She used to be my favorite back in the day. Well also I have to add, can't remember her name right now, but she played the wife of the Senator on Wedding Crashers. She was my other fav.

Actually it was the Secretary's wife -- played by Jane Seymour -- and yes a great MILF example.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2744125]1963 good read. Had a good laugh at the Victoria Principle reference. She used to be my favorite back in the day. Well also I have to add, can't remember her name right now, but she played the wife of the Senator on Wedding Crashers. She was my other fav.[/QUOTE]

We had met briefly at a restaurant and she caught my eye. Saw her on FB but she moved back home to Texas for awhile then returned about 4 mths ago. And I connected with her at that time. and your right about high end escort dollars.. but form getting to know her and watching her FB for awhile she has not dated a lot.. single mom.. child.. was going to school ..work etc.. not saying she is an angel..lol.. but the attraction here is I am not up her ass all the time like guys her age would be.. she does not have time for that so we have fun and communicate but its casual and enjoyable..but still a connection..

As as I have mentioned.. I am definitely looking for a long term newbie so willing to make an investment for a long term return…!

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2743562]You had been watching her for two years but she didn't know it? That's a story I'd be interested in hearing. And if you break it down into high end escort dollars, your cost per fuck isn't unreasonable.[/QUOTE]

So I have been chatting up with this girl from SA and she totaly sounds like a pro. I have tried to do an image search. I know that I have seen this girl.

On BP so I am hoping my brother mongers can help me out.

I haven't posted a lot lately, but wanted to take a minute to make a few observations as I roll into a new year. Hope everyone had a good holiday season and you're all swimming in lovely young women.

First off, there was discussion of this thread losing steam as the number of SB threads in other cities continues to grow. I agree that a lot of what can be said about this craft has already been written here. I for one am okay with the anecdotes that are in here, such as like mikes below. While I wouldn't invest that much time or money on spec, it's inspiring to here about the long shot success and makes me want to get out there! As far as I am concerned, keep the war stories coming. As for threads in other cities which seem to be focused on swapping intel on specific girls, I am in the camp of the best babies wouldn't want to be traded, and indeed would probably cut you off. Not to say I haven't encountered LOTS of pros and UTR girls (more on that later) but the best ones to me are the ones that honestly want to have a connection and don't think of themselves as hookers.

As far as pro's and UTR's, I have to say that SA is getting full of them. I see more and more girls I recognize from BP opening SA accounts, or contact a girl about a meet and greet only to have her cite her hourly rate and menu. I think that trend is really bad for the site and for SB's in general. I know I may be kind of a hypocrite because I have taken a couple up on it. It's funny how the girls who aren't full blown pro's think. Last night I had a M&G with a 19 year old that I believe to be a newbie. I asked her what brought her to the site. She responded that she had heard about it from a friend of a friend, then without batting an eye said but "she's a hooker. " Fifteen minute later she rejected my offer of 150 and said she had to have at least 300. I gently declined and after she thought about it awhile she came back with "I'm really attracted to you, let's try it and I'll see if I can make it work. " She's supposed to be over this evening. We'll see what happens.

The holidays were odd. Conventional wisdom is the girls are looking for Christmas money and so eager to meet in December. I found that they were indeed eager for money, as they seemed unanimous in their belief that they should get 400 a meet; but I got flaked on more times in December than I can ever remember is so short a time. Thankfully with the turn of the calendar I have seen girls having more availability and have finally been on several meet and greets.

Finally, while SA is still alive and well, things don't seem as easy as they were a couple of years ago. Expectations are higher, responses seem to be down, and the UTR problem rolls on. I have no plans of trying any other fishing hole in the near future, but it definitely take a little more skill than it used to!

Bros,

Need some advice on ED / PE. I had a bad night a few weeks ago with my SB. It caused psychological ED. I've been trying to mentally get back in the game, but it's tough. My girls vagina is so damn wet, slippery and firm that it drains me. I had one episode where I came after two strokes. LOL, the best two strokes of my life!

I've been exercising rigorously and eating healthy. I bought a month supply of testo booster pills and have an appt. With a Urologist next week. Before this happened I could control my orgasm for at least 30-60 minutes. Any advice on getting back to beating the vagina up?

If you need more testosterone and want your body to keep producing it without becoming dependent on pharmacy testosterone, ask your urologist about chlomid.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2745144]Bros,

Need some advice on ED / PE. I had a bad night a few weeks ago with my SB. It caused psychological ED. I've been trying to mentally get back in the game, but it's tough. My girls vagina is so damn wet, slippery and firm that it drains me. I had one episode where I came after two strokes. LOL, the best two strokes of my life!

I've been exercising rigorously and eating healthy. I bought a month supply of testo booster pills and have an appt. With a Urologist next week. Before this happened I could control my orgasm for at least 30-60 minutes. Any advice on getting back to beating the vagina up?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2745458]If you need more testosterone and want your body to keep producing it without becoming dependent on pharmacy testosterone, ask your urologist about chlomid.[/QUOTE]I don't think I have a problem with my testo levels. I had blood work done and there were no alarms. I use the testo "boosters" for libido. Based on the ingredients its more of a male multivitamin in my opinion. The ingredients are all essential vitamins and some other additives that appear to help make use of existing testosterone more efficiently. The product I'm using is called "prime male". After 2 days of use I was able to see some improvements. I lasted a strong 10-12 minutes. It could be placebo or the fact I've been more rigorous in the gym. My diet is also a bit cleaner. Hopefully with what I'm doing now and a cialis prescription I'll be back to my 19 yr old erection strength and an hour of staying power.

One thing I did note was my girl was saying her ex-boyfriend her age wasn't freaky enough in bed. I thought I was pretty vanilla, but I do add some kink like choking, smacking and thrusting to hit her cervix. Maybe being an old dog adds some more points in our favor.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2745144]Bros,

Need some advice on ED / PE. I had a bad night a few weeks ago with my SB. It caused psychological ED. I've been trying to mentally get back in the game, but it's tough. My girls vagina is so damn wet, slippery and firm that it drains me. I had one episode where I came after two strokes. LOL, the best two strokes of my life!

I've been exercising rigorously and eating healthy. I bought a month supply of testo booster pills and have an appt. With a Urologist next week. Before this happened I could control my orgasm for at least 30-60 minutes. Any advice on getting back to beating the vagina up?[/QUOTE]Do you have a fading erection or PE -or both? PE can be treated using condoms, predate masturbation, or multiple pops. Get your 1st 2 stroke pop, then get back to it a 2nd or 3rd time. If you have an ED problem then Cialis type drugs should help. The urologist can help with Rxs.

I saw a new listing on SA and was the same girl on BP. What we should do is pull up BP and compare to the new listings. This Ho was pretty cute but I've gotten spoiled knowing my girl hasn't taken 6 loads of cum in her mouth before our date. You know these Pros don't usually take a shower in between each John. The John's DNA is all over her -and you are licking it off thinking how sweet her pussy smells.

What are you all doing now that the prepaid cc do not have scratch off codes and have to be added to at the register with cash. My sb. Is on an allowance and usually see her weekly but I may miss and still want to have a specific day she knows she will have cash.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2746079]
I saw a new listing on SA and was the same girl on BP. What we should do is pull up BP and compare to the new listings. [/QUOTE]I haven't met a girl off BP in a couple of years now, but I still check out the local listings once in a while just for that reason. If I see a profile on SA of a BP girl she's a no-go. When I meet a girl on SA in person and she give me that pro vibe, I may hit it once if I've already invested time in meeting her, but that will be it. I'm spoiled by the girls who haven't gone completely commercial.

AMEX BLuebird card -- you can add funds from a bank account, debit card.

Otherwise, get her on PayPal.

I know, I know, we don't pay just to Meet & greet.

Here is a perspective from a SB. Her view as to why -->

I'm going to clear something up for all of the "sugar daddies" who think that they don't owe sugar babies anything in the "get to know you" phase. Let me tell you right now why that is complete bullcrap. There is no way I'm going to take the time to do my make up, do my hair nice, get in a nice dress and heels, find & pay a baby sitter, for a older gentlemen I never met & would never give a chance otherwise FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but maybe a bite to eat. I can cook for myself, so if that's the only thing I'm getting out of it you can forget it. If I'm giving you my time and attention that I wouldn't be giving you otherwise, I think that is worth something. So there is why sugar babies expect to still be spoiled in the "get to know" phase. You don't have to agree, but there is the thought process behind it.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2746888]I know, I know, we don't pay just to Meet & greet.

Here is a perspective from a SB. Her view as to why -->

I'm going to clear something up for all of the "sugar daddies" who think that they don't owe sugar babies anything in the "get to know you" phase. Let me tell you right now why that is complete bullcrap. There is no way I'm going to take the time to do my make up, do my hair nice, get in a nice dress and heels, find & pay a baby sitter, for a older gentlemen I never met & would never give a chance otherwise FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but maybe a bite to eat. I can cook for myself, so if that's the only thing I'm getting out of it you can forget it. If I'm giving you my time and attention that I wouldn't be giving you otherwise, I think that is worth something. So there is why sugar babies expect to still be spoiled in the "get to know" phase. You don't have to agree, but there is the thought process behind it.[/QUOTE]She's entitled to her opinion as arrogant as it is. The problem is if guys start doing that there's no incentive for her to do anything other than to show up and let some sap pay for her meals or drinks by gracing us with her presence. Then she'll want you to take her shopping or on a cruise, etc. It would never end. Anyone with that attitude I'd avoid and be happy I didn't waste a cent on her. Remember your time is valuable too- as well as your money. There are plenty of other women who appreciate what you bring to the table- being a decent guy, treating them right, sense of humor, etc. So if she's not interested- next! Just my opinion.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2746888]I know, I know, we don't pay just to Meet & greet.

Here is a perspective from a SB. Her view as to why -->

I'm going to clear something up for all of the "sugar daddies" who think that they don't owe sugar babies anything in the "get to know you" phase. Let me tell you right now why that is complete bullcrap. There is no way I'm going to take the time to do my make up, do my hair nice, get in a nice dress and heels, find & pay a baby sitter, for a older gentlemen I never met & would never give a chance otherwise FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but maybe a bite to eat. I can cook for myself, so if that's the only thing I'm getting out of it you can forget it. If I'm giving you my time and attention that I wouldn't be giving you otherwise, I think that is worth something. So there is why sugar babies expect to still be spoiled in the "get to know" phase. You don't have to agree, but there is the thought process behind it.[/QUOTE]This type of SB just wants to rinse SDs.

Use the same rationale from the SD point of view. Based on your income, your time is clearly worth more than the SBs. If all she is offering is the opportunity to spend time with an attractive young woman, your money would be better spent at a Hooters, Tilted Kilt, strip club, etc.

Both the SD and SB need to look at it as an investment in a future deal. The SD invested his time and the cost of the meal. The SB invests her time and costs for preparing do the date. I have agreed to pay before extraordinary expenses like gas and baby sitter, etc.

How many sales people charge the customer for the costs associated with making a sales call?. Few if any! Does it cost them time and money to make a sales call?. Yes! They carefully select who they will call on based upon the potential for future business. If they see no potential, they won't make the call. The SB is saying she doubts their is any real potential in an arrangement and needs to get paid for the meet and greet.

Next!

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2746888]I know, I know, we don't pay just to Meet & greet.

Here is a perspective from a SB. Her view as to why -->

I'm going to clear something up for all of the "sugar daddies" who think that they don't owe sugar babies anything in the "get to know you" phase. Let me tell you right now why that is complete bullcrap. There is no way I'm going to take the time to do my make up, do my hair nice, get in a nice dress and heels, find & pay a baby sitter, for a older gentlemen I never met & would never give a chance otherwise FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but maybe a bite to eat. I can cook for myself, so if that's the only thing I'm getting out of it you can forget it. If I'm giving you my time and attention that I wouldn't be giving you otherwise, I think that is worth something. So there is why sugar babies expect to still be spoiled in the "get to know" phase. You don't have to agree, but there is the thought process behind it.[/QUOTE]

Can you add anonymously?. I have an alias with her and do not want my real name out to her.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2746815]AMEX BLuebird card -- you can add funds from a bank account, debit card.

Otherwise, get her on PayPal.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2746451]What are you all doing now that the prepaid cc do not have scratch off codes and have to be added to at the register with cash. My sb. Is on an allowance and usually see her weekly but I may miss and still want to have a specific day she knows she will have cash.[/QUOTE]I've been using Google Wallet. I set my girl up on it. I have it as well obviously. I transfer money to her email address which is linked to her bank account. I don't have the worries of an SO, so it has worked well. If I transfer it from my debit card then it goes in her account almost instantaneously, where if I transfer it from my bank account it could take up to 3 business days.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2746888]I know, I know, we don't pay just to Meet & greet.

Here is a perspective from a SB. Her view as to why -->

I'm going to clear something up for all of the "sugar daddies" who think that they don't owe sugar babies anything in the "get to know you" phase. Let me tell you right now why that is complete bullcrap. There is no way I'm going to take the time to do my make up, do my hair nice, get in a nice dress and heels, find & pay a baby sitter, for a older gentlemen I never met & would never give a chance otherwise FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but maybe a bite to eat. I can cook for myself, so if that's the only thing I'm getting out of it you can forget it. If I'm giving you my time and attention that I wouldn't be giving you otherwise, I think that is worth something. So there is why sugar babies expect to still be spoiled in the "get to know" phase. You don't have to agree, but there is the thought process behind it.[/QUOTE]The way I look at it is her outlook it all about me me me. She needs to look at it where getting all dolled up and getting a babysitter to meet a future daddy who is going to take care of her financially is an investment of her time. So from my perspective is that she needs to invest her time for potential future payoffs.

Prepay is an Instagram fueled arrogance of the Millennials. They want our money and will have to work to get it. Stick to your guns Brothers and do not reward this self absorbed behavior. If there are guys out there who are paying it just reinforces bad behavior -so don't do it. Unfortunately, just like SBs who get paid $moderate and up allowances, they chat it up on line (like we do) and give hope to their Blog sisters that rinsing is alive and well.

Prepay demands will mostly result in non acquisition of a Daddy, and they will either abandon the lifestyle when their Profile gathers dust or they will adjust to market pressures and go on free M&Gs. They need to consider M&Gs as a job interview as has been said before. Obviously getting an SD can mean $1000's to them.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2746815]AMEX BLuebird card -- you can add funds from a bank account, debit card.

Otherwise, get her on PayPal.[/QUOTE]

Er, why would one do anything with a girl that links directly to your real name and real bank account? Last I checked Paypal also required a bank account or CC to use. What am I missing?

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2747177]The way I look at it is her outlook it all about me me me. She needs to look at it where getting all dolled up and getting a babysitter to meet a future daddy who is going to take care of her financially is an investment of her time. So from my perspective is that she needs to invest her time for potential future payoffs.[/QUOTE]Eh, more carry over mentality from the lovely What's Your Price site. Sigh.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2746888] "I'm going to clear something up for all of the "sugar daddies" who think that they don't owe sugar babies anything in the "get to know you" phase. Let me tell you right now why that is complete bullcrap. There is no way I'm going to take the time to do my make up, do my hair nice, get in a nice dress and heels, find & pay a baby sitter, for a older gentlemen I never met & would never give a chance otherwise FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but maybe a bite to eat. I can cook for myself, so if that's the only thing I'm getting out of it you can forget it. If I'm giving you my time and attention that I wouldn't be giving you otherwise, I think that is worth something. So there is why sugar babies expect to still be spoiled in the "get to know" phase." [/QUOTE]This is a strong entitlement mentality that is sure to lead to trouble down the road. I would politely turn her down and feel lucky I dodged a bullet. Her demand did me a screening favor. However, if she was otherwise interesting, I might be inclined to answer as follows: "Are you saying you don't like me and are only willing to see me for money? If that is you main motivation, we should not meet. I only want to spend time (and allowance) on a woman that genuinely enjoys my company. You can find plenty of men here who will lavish cash on you and despite that, because of how they will treat you, you will feel used and cheated. The money is never enough if there isn't real chemistry. ".

Bam.

I am shocked at the number of SBs who list Moderate and higher on their lifestyle expectation. As you all know, Moderate is $3-5000/ month. Is anyone in this blog community paying that kind of allowance? I doubt there are many.

I think there are 4 scenarios involved with this phenomenon.

1) Lottery mentality: They are happy without Sugar if they don't hit their Mark. If they get a sucker then life is good.

2) ignorance: They really don't understand what these categories mean and what the realities are. They need tuition money and have been told that they can get it. Reality will flush these girls out.

3) entitlement: They have read all the blogs about Sugar Life, Rinsing, etc, and believe their pussy is also worth $10,000/ month. They know they are hot and think men will fall all over themselves to get in their panties. Reality will flush these girls out.

4) Rinsing: There are shows / blogs that feature Rinsers. They have NO intention on giving up the pussy and have enough social exposure to drunk rich men to get away with it. Some are apparently successful.

Success happens rarely but when:

1) insanely hot girl meets truly wealthy Daddy.

2) Inexerienced new SD gets bagged by a Rinser or falls for the Prepay or "got to be comfortable before intimacy" story.

3) Young men (20's): blow big bucks short term to score an experience.

4) unattractive SD: I guess there are guys who are so inept socially or so unappealing that they have to pay big bucks to get in the game.

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2747078]Can you add anonymously?. I have an alias with her and do not want my real name out to her.[/QUOTE]Not entirely sure, but I think so since you set up and manage the account and just give her the card with no other info.

I used one for my father in laws care taker in FL to do his grocery shopping.

You, however, do have to give your real name and SSN to AMEX so they don't think you are laundering money.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2747256]

2) ignorance: They really don't understand what these categories mean and what the realities are. They need tuition money and have been told that they can get it. Reality will flush these girls out.
[/QUOTE]General cluelessness.

I met a hot blonde promo model in TX a few months back. I can't remember what her expectation was, but when I did the math for a one time meet. Including a 20% premium for a one time meet (lets face it, 7-11 charges a premium for convenience, I get the principle in pricing) -- assuming her monthly involved weekly meetings.

I offered $400 for an overnight, she was expecting $700. I explained my thinking to her, which she understood, and agreed to meet.

Of course, she did ask for $100 more a few hours after we met and I told her we would see.

She was even hotter than pictures and begged for CIM with swallow -- TWICE -- so I threw her the bonus benji in the morning.

I don't mind bonsuing for effort and performance, just not agreeing to it up front.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2747256]I am shocked at the number of SBs who list Moderate and higher on their lifestyle expectation. As you all know, Moderate is $3-5000/ month. Is anyone in this blog community paying that kind of allowance? I doubt there are many.

I think there are 4 scenarios involved with this phenomenon.

1) Lottery mentality: They are happy without Sugar if they don't hit their Mark. If they get a sucker then life is good.

2) ignorance: They really don't understand what these categories mean and what the realities are. They need tuition money and have been told that they can get it. Reality will flush these girls out.

3) entitlement: They have read all the blogs about Sugar Life, Rinsing, etc, and believe their pussy is also worth $10,000/ month. They know they are hot and think men will fall all over themselves to get in their panties. Reality will flush these girls out.

4) Rinsing: There are shows / blogs that feature Rinsers. They have NO intention on giving up the pussy and have enough social exposure to drunk rich men to get away with it. Some are apparently successful.

Success happens rarely but when:

1) insanely hot girl meets truly wealthy Daddy.

2) Inexerienced new SD gets bagged by a Rinser or falls for the Prepay or "got to be comfortable before intimacy" story.

3) Young men (20's): blow big bucks short term to score an experience.

4) unattractive SD: I guess there are guys who are so inept socially or so unappealing that they have to pay big bucks to get in the game.[/QUOTE]Yeah I noticed that too. One in particular in the Chicago area (which I'm guessing is more expensive than Richmond) I noticed raised her allowance from practical to substantial. I'd like your guys opinion as to why. I'm thinking- 1.) she is either in real high demand or 2.) she is getting low balled so by raising her asking price it gives her room to negotiate down to her original practical range. Thoughts?

[QUOTE=Kellster;2747384]Yeah I noticed that too. One in particular in the Chicago area (which I'm guessing is more expensive than Richmond) I noticed raised her allowance from practical to substantial. I'd like your guys opinion as to why. I'm thinking- 1.) she is either in real high demand or 2.) she is getting low balled so by raising her asking price it gives her room to negotiate down to her original practical range. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]An insanely hot local girl did the same thing. I think these girls can get big bucks -more as a high end escort for a short term gig. Maybe a weekend for $5000. Once they tag a Daddy Big Bucks for a High Dollar Gig they believe their "value" has gone up. And maybe they're right. If she had a regular Daddy she would not be on the site still. If she is an SD collector she is just an escort. Escorts burn out VERY quickly.

Face it, if I could drop $5,000 without missing it on a 10/10 hottie, I would take her along for a getaway. Just remember, in the end pussy is just pussy, and I would take a sweet 7 /8 for a fraction of the price all day long. And variety is still King so you will get tired of the 10 just as fast as the 7.

Bored today, sorry for the over sharing. So I have a 7. 5/8/6/7 who is reasonably priced and reliable. She is a mediocre bed mate, but a willing receptacle. Do I hit SA again looking to upgrade performance, or continue as is? I am at high risk for M&Gs because of SO awareness, so the same ole is a big plus to avoid getting spotted. She has a place so I don't have to do the Hotel thing. She is not a sexual person and admits to never particularly liking it. If she were better in bed I would be ecstatic since she is cute looking and has a pleasant personality. I do not have time for a second. If I did I would get #2 and let #1 go when I found a better performer. Maybe I will. What would you do?

There are guys that will pay GPS prices for SB's I'm sure. I know one guy that regularly overpays and he knows it. He has the disposable income and flaunts it to the girls, but he rarely sees the same girl more than 1 or 2 times and treats the girls like blow up dolls.

I think HWG wrote about this in the past. Sure there are some guys who will pay the high price, but either they are unappealing (appearance, hygiene, personality, fetishist, etc) that the SB would need the extra to suffer through the experience or they are appealing and most likely only last for a date or two and move to the next girl.

They have to ask themselves what they are willing to deal with for the higher amounts or how many guys and how much effort do they want to put in to continually search.

There are a few high GPS SB'S in my area that I see on the site all the time. They clearly haven't found on long term SD that's willing to meet their needs and need to keep looking for the next target.

[QUOTE=Kellster;2747384]Yeah I noticed that too. One in particular in the Chicago area (which I'm guessing is more expensive than Richmond) I noticed raised her allowance from practical to substantial. I'd like your guys opinion as to why. I'm thinking- 1.) she is either in real high demand or 2.) she is getting low balled so by raising her asking price it gives her room to negotiate down to her original practical range. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

This is a good apprach.

Just to be clear, I don't agree with that SB. Just wanted to share how she was thinking.

[QUOTE=BamBam;2747253]This is a strong entitlement mentality that is sure to lead to trouble down the road. I would politely turn her down and feel lucky I dodged a bullet. Her demand did me a screening favor. However, if she was otherwise interesting, I might be inclined to answer as follows: "Are you saying you don't like me and are only willing to see me for money? If that is you main motivation, we should not meet. I only want to spend time (and allowance) on a woman that genuinely enjoys my company. You can find plenty of men here who will lavish cash on you and despite that, because of how they will treat you, you will feel used and cheated. The money is never enough if there isn't real chemistry. ".

Bam.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2747530]Bored today, sorry for the over sharing. So I have a 7. 5/8/6/7 who is reasonably priced and reliable. She is a mediocre bed mate, but a willing receptacle. Do I hit SA again looking to upgrade performance, or continue as is? I am at high risk for M&Gs because of SO awareness, so the same ole is a big plus to avoid getting spotted. She has a place so I don't have to do the Hotel thing. She is not a sexual person and admits to never particularly liking it. If she were better in bed I would be ecstatic since she is cute looking and has a pleasant personality. I do not have time for a second. If I did I would get #2 and let #1 go when I found a better performer. Maybe I will. What would you do?[/QUOTE]Her being able to host is a huge plus. I'd put in the time and effort to work on the sex. It'll pay huge dividends in the long-term. Explore what she's into and keep the cash flowing. You'll eventually get what you want out of it.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;2747608]This is a good apprach.

Just to be clear, I don't agree with that SB. Just wanted to share how she was thinking.[/QUOTE]No confusion. I understood you didn't agree with her and were just sharing her viewpoint. It sounds like most of us agree that she is full of herself and will not be hanging out with anyone here with that attitude. There are better options to spend our hard earned money.

I'll play devils advocate. I'd backburner the current SB and renew the SA account. The bowl is flowing once again. I agree with hoya in that being able to host is great on the wallet and wonderfully convenient, but for me variety really is the spice of life.

When I want to work on training a lady, I will only spend that kind of effort in two places. The first is on my SO, to whom most of these babies couldn't hold a candle. They are the mickey the's / chipoltle / cheesecake factory to her Ruths Chris. The other place I I don't mind spending the time and effort in training are the 18/19/20 yr old young babies who genuinely love sex, but haven't had someone experienced enough to train them.

My experience has been that when a girl isn't great in the sack because the sex drive isn't there, then trying to train them isn't as fulfilling. They may genuinely really like you and want to please you, but for me, half the fun is when I see how much fun their having while I make them cum.

I do see lots of merit in hoyas position though, and depending on your connection with the SB, it might be in your best interest to spend time training your current side dish.

Just my two cents and what I would do though. Remeber though, I get bored of my babies pretty quickly so take my thoughts with a grain of salt.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2747740]Her being able to host is a huge plus. I'd put in the time and effort to work on the sex. It'll pay huge dividends in the long-term. Explore what she's into and keep the cash flowing. You'll eventually get what you want out of it.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e1f21a731/view?conversation-inbox[/URL]

First sign. Contacted me first (but without any indication of interest in me).

Second sign. Asked for money up front before meeting.

No third sign needed.

New year and I dove right back in to the bowl. Lots of activity, and a good mix of options here in the DC area and also in Boston. I've got at least a dozen POTs going between the two cities, plus continued activity with members of the stable. Among others I have going, in no particular order:

- curvy divorced MILF just looking for sex, very kinky, will happen just need to get schedules to align.

- cute college student wanting to explore her horizons.

- sexy college student looking for a DD.

- alternative college senior looking for "maturity" (code for a man that knows what he is doing).

- older former stripper with huge fake cans but very sexual.

- single mom looking to get down to business because she doesn't get to have any fun anymore.

Life is good.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2747530]Bored today, sorry for the over sharing. So I have a 7. 5/8/6/7 who is reasonably priced and reliable. She is a mediocre bed mate, but a willing receptacle. Do I hit SA again looking to upgrade performance, or continue as is? I am at high risk for M&Gs because of SO awareness, so the same ole is a big plus to avoid getting spotted. She has a place so I don't have to do the Hotel thing. She is not a sexual person and admits to never particularly liking it. If she were better in bed I would be ecstatic since she is cute looking and has a pleasant personality. I do not have time for a second. If I did I would get #2 and let #1 go when I found a better performer. Maybe I will. What would you do?[/QUOTE]Have you considered buying her a toy. I bought my 21 year old SB a small vibrator for Christmas. First time she ever held one in her hand. She really liked it. I am going to let her pick out a jack rabbit this weekend so I can keep it at my placed.